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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 314
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| Phediuk | Posted 7/14/2006 1:43:47 PM | message detail |
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I'm talking US sales, HM. Unless those are US sales. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/14/2006 1:46:05 PM | message detail |
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Strictly speaking about American sales, Mega Man never breaks a million. Not that I really bother to worry about anything like that because virtually everyone has played the game(s). --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:47:03 PM | message detail |
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I'm feeling more and more confident in Mega Man as the match approaches for some reason. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:49:43 PM | message detail |
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MMBN games are a lot of fun. Suffers from sequelitis, like every other
Mega Man series, but it's fairly innovative if you just play one. I
didn't like MMBN1 or 2, but 3 is really when the series started hitting
its stride. You find either of the MMBN4 games for 12 bucks, which I
think is the best in the series (or download it). It's worth a play IMO. Anyway, FACT OR FICTION: FFT beats any other FF game save for FFVII. --- "Civil government is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor" --Adam Smith |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:50:34 PM | message detail |
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Fiction, easily. I have a hard time seeing it beat FFVI. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:51:55 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't think Mega Man's lack of sales really hurt him. I never
owned a Mega Man game until recently (I bought MMAC and I found MMX, so
I picked it up). They were popular back in the day of RENTALS, and they
were more of rent-and-beat kinda games. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:52:33 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy Tactics definitely doesn't beat FFVI. I'm not so sure it beats FFX or FFVIII either, but I'd say it has a chance. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:52:33 PM | message detail |
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Uh, I hope you meant FFVII and FFVI...because I think we can all agree MGS ain't close to FFVI. But as for the others... ...well, that's a FICTION I've been resigned to since day one, unless it somehow turns out that SSBM overperformed on FFVII and overrated FFX in turn. I'd take 7, 6, 10, and 8 over FFT, in that order. If 10 can't cut it, I don't think 8 can either. --- Commit it to memory. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/14/2006 1:56:14 PM | message detail |
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I don't think SSBM overperformed on FFVII, its placement on the Top 100
List is impressive. I just think the whole 128 Bit Division is
completely ****ed up. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:56:53 PM | message detail |
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Nostalgia is hard to compete against, and Division 128 lacks it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:57:56 PM | message detail |
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Well for what it's worth, I still hold that if you take MGS2 and MGS3
off the drop-down list that MGS catapults over 007 and SSBM...even if
you take SSB64 off as well. Granted we don't know how close they were
-- they could be hundreds of points away or just a single one. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 2:06:45 PM | message detail |
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http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-general&t=1245605&s=new&#new Poor Diablo. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| voltch | Posted 7/14/2006 2:13:05 PM | message detail |
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that is yhe power of combined final fantasies. but how far is that percentage going o keep increasing? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/14/2006 2:54:11 PM | message detail |
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So you would have a hard time choosing between Diablo and
Civilization/Madden? Let's say it has the same match picture it does
today, too. If you can honestly tell me a match between those two would
be close, then ... well ... you're a bit nutty. I believe the term you're looking for is "clinically insane." --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/14/2006 2:57:23 PM | message detail |
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From TRE: I think you're forgetting exactly how badly Madden and Civ were killed. If FF, Zelda and SMB were equal in strength and FF ended with 85.81% on Diablo, Diablo would be projected to get 64.66% on Civ and 72.55% against Madden. Nearly a doubling and nearly a tripling aren't exactly close. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 3:03:18 PM | message detail |
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So about how many votes do you guys think FF will finish with in this match? --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/14/2006 3:04:06 PM | message detail |
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You're honestly going to try and say that LoZ getting 3% higher on Civ than what FF is getting on Diablo, is just as impressive? --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 3:04:12 PM | message detail |
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107-108k. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 3:05:10 PM | message detail |
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You're honestly going to try and say that LoZ getting 3% higher on Civ than what FF is getting on Diablo, is just as impressive? Well, you do have to understand just how much more difficult it is to raise 3% at such a high percentage. But no, it's definitely not more impressive than this. Diablo would kill Civilization. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 3:13:22 PM | message detail |
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Even if FF kills all our expectations in this contest (which it very
well might), diablo still looks absolutely pathetic. At this rate it's
going to be one of the weakest series in the contest. :-/ --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 3:16:40 PM | message detail |
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Actually, it won't. You're going to see a lot of series not worth 15%
on Final Fantasy. Some of that will be the result of SFF, but it
shouldn't change too much. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/14/2006 3:18:27 PM | message detail |
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Well, you do have to understand just how much more difficult it is to raise 3% at such a high percentage. Oh, I'm very aware, but I'd have no problem taking Diablo to absolutely trump both Civ and Madden. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 3:32:28 PM | message detail |
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You're going to see a lot of series not worth 15% on Final Fantasy. Excuse me if I don't buy that. This contest isn't nearly as fodderific as the villain contest, I'd like to think most of the series in it can at least stand up and break 15% ****ing percent on ff. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 7/14/2006 3:38:01 PM | message detail |
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Rankings are realtive. Most of the series in this contest would
slaughter most of the villians from the villanss contest. However since
FF seems to be a ton more powerful than Sephiroth, they will still look
like fodder. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 3:39:21 PM | message detail |
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I'm aware of that, I'm just saying that even in the most fodder filled
contest we've ever seen, most characters could still break 15% on base
link. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| andaca | Posted 7/14/2006 3:46:34 PM | message detail |
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So, working of the X-stats, and assuming that FF finishes with an even 86 percent... If Diablo could get 71 percent on Civilization, FF would be projected to 60-40 Zelda. If Diablo could get 79 percent on civilization, FF would be projected to 70-30 Zelda. Myself, I wouldn't give Diablo anything close to 80% on Civilization, but I can't for the life of me imagine it not breaking 70%. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 3:47:27 PM | message detail |
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Has someone said lol x-stats yet?!?! --- Commit it to memory. |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/14/2006 3:51:17 PM | message detail |
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I can't believe anyone can believe Zelda gains as much from being a series as FF. Not many people that didn't vote OOT over FF7 is gonna suddenly switch votes because of aLTTP. ZElda fans are usually pretty united. Final Fantasy fans on the other hand is split into 2 factions. PS FF and Nintendo FF. The PS FF fans and the ones that voted for FF7 will still vote for FF since I doubt alttp and WW are gonna end up changing their minds. Fans of those games probably already voted for OOT. Many of those Nintendo FF fans that voted for OOT will now vote for FF though. FF4 and FF6 is gonna swing so many votes for FF its not even gonna be funny. The amount of people on this site that love ff4 and ff6 but hate ff7 is huge. Those people will now vote for FF when before they voted for OOT. The switch is gonna be insane. Basically here's a math equation. ov=original votes nv=new votes lv=lost votes tv=total votes ov+nv-lv=tv FF.ov>Zelda.ov FF.nv>Zelda.nv FF.lv<Zelda.lv So what do you think will be higher FF.tv or Zelda.tv I understand the denial. I was in it too since I chose LOZ>FF in my bracket and so far I'm perfect. Now I just wish I don't get everyone right except the final since that would piss me off so much. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 3:51:22 PM | message detail |
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Hypothetical: Let us assume that Final Fantasy wins the contest
(because I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions). Ceej puts up a
poll much like the one held directly after the Games Contest, asking if
Final Fantasy is indeed the Best. Series. Ever. Query: How well does Final Fantasy do? Does it outdo FFVII's percentage of people that think it is the Best Game Ever? --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 3:55:16 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to think most of the series in it can at least stand up and break 15% percent on ff. Let me run through and see which series I think can break 15% on FF. Zelda Mega Man X (maybe) Metroid Metal Gear Castlevania Halo Kingdom Hearts Super Mario Brothers GTA Warcraft Sonic SSB Mega Man Mario Kart Street Fighter Resident Evil That's exactly half. If we want to talk about which series would break 20% on FF, I'd have to knock a few more off. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 3:55:24 PM | message detail |
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Zelda fans united?!?!? I say Zelda has the third most diverse fanbase in this contest behind Final Fantasy and Warcraft. LTTP and OOT fans are constantly at each other's throats. --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 3:58:50 PM | message detail |
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Nah, the split between 2D and 3D is really all Zelda has going for it.
Heck, I'd expect the split between the Metal Gear games, the Metroid
games, the Sonic games, and the Castlevania games to all outclass it,
for starters. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 3:59:52 PM | message detail |
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LTTP and OOT fans are constantly at each other's throats. Debating which is better. It seems, for the most part (judging from the Games Contest and the list), that a lot seem to like both. It's a matter of preference. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 4:00:33 PM | message detail |
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You're either overrating the hell out of ff or underrating the hell out
of most of the series in the contest imo leon. I also notice that you
took out my starred out cursing when quoting me. wtf mate. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:02:04 PM | message detail |
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Uh what split between Castlevania and Sonic gamers? I might give you
Metal Gear, but Metroid really doesnt. The split between the MP and SM
isnt as drastic as WW and OOT or LTTP and OOT. --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:04:12 PM | message detail |
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No, I think I'm being fair. Civilization? Obviously not Suikoden? Surely you jest Pokemon? No Star Ocean? Not a chance Kirby? No way Soul Calibur? Not gonna happen Fire Emblem? It won a match, sure, but it'd still get slaughtered Silent Hill? Weak, weak, weak Harvest Moon? Come on, now Madden? Do we even have to go here? Devil May Cry? Not happening Dragon Quest? Psh Elder Scrolls? I'd take Diablo to beat it, personally Shadow Hearts? Possibly the weakest thing in the contest --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:04:55 PM | message detail |
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Uh what split between Castlevania and Sonic gamers? The split from 2-D to 3-D for Sonic gamers. A lot of 2-D Sonic fans hated the transition to 3-D. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:06:42 PM | message detail |
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Its not really a split when the overwhelming majority hate anything after the Adventure series. --- Where am I? |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/14/2006 4:07:35 PM | message detail |
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LOL at calling Zelda fans diverse. Zelda is at best 3rd in diversity among Nintendo games (Mario and Metroid definitely trump it) Plus do you really think the 2d faction of Zelda fans would vote FF7 over OOT? I mean, this is obsurd. Almost no fans of 2d zelda would vote for FF7 in the first place. The addition of 2d zeldas add nothing to the series in terms of extra vote because those fans already vote for OOT during SPC2004. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:07:40 PM | message detail |
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Overwhelming majority? Not quite. There are plenty of 3-D Sonic fans.
The Sonic Adventure games and Sonic Heroes both boast over a million in
sales. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:08:31 PM | message detail |
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Mario is more diverse than Zelda? How? There isnt even a 2D/3D split
with it. The only game thats controversial is SMS and thats because its
bad. --- Where am I? |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/14/2006 4:09:05 PM | message detail |
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I'd give Devil May Cry and Kirby a chance. Devil May Cry only because I
don't know what Sonic getting 70% on it means FF would do, and it just
feels like it should. Kirby because it didn't have a fair shot being
behind Nintendo SFF. It's odd because Kirby avoided it in Kirby/Bowser,
but, Kirby's no sap, afterall. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:09:47 PM | message detail |
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Sales != fanbase. And I didnt say there werent 3D Sonic fans, but I
thought the Adventure games were pretty well accepted by the 2D fans.
Outside of a person here and there, I dont see many people defending
Sonic Heroes as the best Sonic game. --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:09:54 PM | message detail |
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Kirby the character is not, but honestly, could you see ANY of his
games being worth anything in a Games Contest? MAYBE Kirby SuperStar
wouldn't be fodder, but that is it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:10:31 PM | message detail |
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None of the Mega Man or Mega Man X games would be worth anything... --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:11:14 PM | message detail |
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And I didnt say there werent 3D Sonic fans, but I thought the Adventure games were pretty well accepted by the 2D fans. Well, we could go back to that old poll where Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 collectively make up 25% on a favorite Sonic game poll, and that's before getting ported to the GameCube. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 4:11:24 PM | message detail |
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Uh what split between Castlevania and Sonic gamers? I might give you
Metal Gear, but Metroid really doesnt. The split between the MP and SM
isnt as drastic as WW and OOT or LTTP and OOT. If you're blinded. Sonic's 3D outings have created more of a rift between fans of it and fans of the Genesis games than OoT could possibly dream of. There's even serious division between the Adventures, Heroes, and, yes, Shadow the Hedgehog. Castlevania could almost sum up the meaning of diversity. Individually each game is merely niche at best, cult at worst, but together the old school games, SotN, the new handhelds, and even the 64 outings have combined to make it FAR stronger than any single piece of the whole, especially since most pieces are quite weak. Metroid's split comes in all shapes and sizes. The division that is created from moving a 2D exploration platformer to a 3D exploration FPS is immense, and the fanbases only vaguely resemble each other. And the split among those is even greater -- look at how many people who love MP1 despise MP2. Look at how many Super Metroid fanatics detest Metroid Fusion. And finally Metal Gear, which, even not accounting for the 2D games (which many will do despite their startlingly high playability here), the division between MGS, MGS2, and MGS3 is extremely wide. Thanks to the differences in storytelling, the inclusion of Raiden, the different settings, backgrounds -- the Zeldas have so much more in common than any MG game, it's ridiculous. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:12:29 PM | message detail |
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None of the Mega Man or Mega Man X games would be worth anything... I'd take Mega Man 2, Mega Man 3, and Mega Man X over KSS in a heartbeat. Honestly, Kirby has NO strong games to boast of outside of SuperStar. He really doesn't. You can't name me one other game that could have even a semblance of strength. At least other Mega Man games in the series wouldn't be total cannon fodder. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:15:19 PM | message detail |
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And there are serious divisions among Zelda fans on what the best games
are. LTTP/OOT is a huge division. Hell there even as a smaller division
between Majora's Mask and OOT. I think arguing which game has the most diverse fanbase isnt leading anywhere. Because its not neccesarily which game has the most different games that people think is the best. Its the way fans back one game from another. --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 4:15:29 PM | message detail |
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And honestly, how many people like Link's Awakening but hate Link to
the Past? Or love Wind Waker but despise OoT? The rift between 2D and
3D Zeldas are big, granted, and seeing as how it was already so strong
its power is going to be ridiculous, but to place it above so many
other series in diversity is just silly. For every difference, there
are too many similarities. --- Commit it to memory. |