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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 314

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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:44:46 PM | message detail
I think it's rather weak continually falling back on one isolated incident. There's reason to believe that Tifa overperformed on Vyse. I don't see much reason to believe that here.

Quick question leonheart; what does FF get on loz in the final?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:47:51 PM | message detail
55%+
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Tai | Posted 7/14/2006 12:48:01 PM | message detail
IIRC Slowflake didn't reject any brackets this time.

He almost rejected Radical's until everyone made him change his mind.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 12:49:35 PM | message detail
My prediction for FF/Zelda is 57/43, a modest but still significant increase of my initial expectations for a 55/45 match.

(well, I use the term 'initial' loosely...my INITIAL expectations were of Zelda winning 52/48)
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:49:35 PM | message detail
Loz failing to break 45% on ff in my eyes seems a bit more ridiculous.

Assuming diablo isn't a flop, or nothing is off with this match, that would make FF capable of quading if not breaking 85% on over half the series in the contest. I find that a little hard to believe.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/14/2006 12:51:06 PM | message detail
Resident Evil, which I feel is being underestimated

RE is vastly overestimated...thanks to Ceej overseeding it to build up its bandwagoning power AND giving it the weakest entrant of the 32 that are here next to Madden as a first round foe, that being Shadow Hearts. And think about it...what has RE or its characters ever done in these contests? Maybe 1 Sweet 16 appearance due to weaker competition? (I cant remember honestly what it has done but I know it was nothing notable...little help here, fellow Elites!)

Regardless of what Wesker or Nemesis or Leon or Claire or Jill or whoever else did in the past...Ryu will be giving it the old Hadoken...and this victory by the King of Fighters will seal the deal for my perfect bracket when that happens...oooh i am giddy just thinking about it! :)
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:51:21 PM | message detail
But were not going to accomplish much throwing the same conjecture at each other over and over, so we should probably just agree to disagree and wait until ff comes up again. Were practically ignoring one of the most talked about matches in the contest less then ten hours before it's going to start.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:51:22 PM | message detail
Loz failing to break 45% on ff in my eyes seems a bit more ridiculous.

Ocarina of Time barely broke 46%. You're saying the entire series couldn't do 1.82% better and break 55%?

Assuming diablo isn't a flop, or nothing is off with this match, that would make FF capable of quading if not breaking 85% on over half the series in the contest. I find that a little hard to believe.

I don't. Final Fantasy VII is capable of quadrupling half the Games Contest field.

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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 12:51:42 PM | message detail
Why is LoZ failing to break 45% on FF somehow ridiculous? Even without this match, I'd expect FF to be much more diverse (and thus stronger) than FFVII than LoZ is from OoT. This being bigger than FFVII/OoT was anticipated, and it ain't that crazy to go from 54/46 to 55/45.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:52:52 PM | message detail
Ocarina of Time barely broke 46%. You're saying the entire series couldn't do 1.82% better and break 55%?

FF isn't facing OOT, it's facing the entire zelda franchise. Big difference. I'm just going to stop arguing this now, but that was a bad comparison.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:54:12 PM | message detail
FF isn't facing OOT, it's facing the entire zelda franchise. Big difference. I'm just going to stop arguing this now, but that was a bad comparison.

Actually, I thought it was a rather good comparison. I can't imagine FFVII being closer to FF overall than OoT is to Zelda overall.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:54:20 PM | message detail
Why is LoZ failing to break 45% on FF somehow ridiculous? Even without this match, I'd expect FF to be much more diverse (and thus stronger) than FFVII than LoZ is from OoT. This being bigger than FFVII/OoT was anticipated, and it ain't that crazy to go from 54/46 to 55/45.

...Sig bet, right now. I'll bet anyone in this topic that loz will break 45% on FF. We can do it after the guru contest sig bet is over.
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Tai | Posted 7/14/2006 12:54:27 PM | message detail
Don't forget that Zelda's facing the entire series, not just FF7...
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Tai | Posted 7/14/2006 12:54:43 PM | message detail
and I was replying to dragoon
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:55:41 PM | message detail
Actually, I thought it was a rather good comparison. I can't imagine FFVII being closer to FF overall than OoT is to Zelda overall.

They're both franchises that have spanned many, many systems over the course of twenty-something years. I don't buy the argument that either series lacks a diverse fanbase, but whatever.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:56:06 PM | message detail
Nobody ever said that they lack a diverse fanbase. Final Fantasy's is MORE diverse.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:56:54 PM | message detail
Don't forget that Zelda's facing the entire series, not just FF7...

Yes, but leon made the statement as if it was the entire ff franchise making up a 1.something difference on the exact same thing ff7 faced. Both series are more then the sum of one game. Much more.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/14/2006 12:56:56 PM | message detail
I don't see how one could say Zelda's fanbase is more diverse than Final Fantasy's though.

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Kyle Bowen | Posted 7/14/2006 12:57:42 PM | message detail
The "series" factor really does seem to be playing a big part in this contest. I think a lot people thought this would on gamesake or by characters.

Which is why I am worried about SSB/Sonic now.


KB
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:58:16 PM | message detail
Yes, but leon made the statement as if it was the entire ff franchise making up a 1.something difference on the exact same thing ff7 faced. Both series are more then the sum of one game. Much more.

But you're missing the point. You start with FFVII's performance on Ocarina of Time. Then you throw the rest of the games from each series there. I think it's ridiculous to say that it adds more for Zelda than it does for Final Fantasy. There's more room for it to go up, in my personal opinion.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 12:58:19 PM | message detail
In fact, I really, *really* think FF has more going for it strength-wise than Zelda...and for my argument, we'll use the only thing I care about -- MGS!

Zeldas I would take to beat MGS:

OoT
LttP
LoZ (*maybe* 50/50, but I still take it to win)

Zeldas I would take MGS to beat:

Wind Waker
Majora's Mask
Zelda II
Link's Awakening
etc.

Now for Final Fantasy!:

FFVII (poor, poor MGS)
FFX
FF8
FF6

FFs I would take MGS to beat:

FFT
FF9
FF4
FF
etc.

FF up by one, FF wins! No, this isn't a real argument, but I've been waiting for a few topics to shove this in and this is as good an opportunity as any!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 12:59:09 PM | message detail
Both series are so large they probably have a fairly overlapping fanbase too. We won't really know until the two face off though.

...I thoguht we were supposed to end this already. You guys suck. >_>

Mario kart vs. mega man is coming up in less then ten hours. Discuss
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:00:35 PM | message detail
I'm so tired of Mega Man v. Mario Kart I could puke!

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see either of the series up by 55%+. It just depends on what people value. I will lose faith in Sonic if MM flops though, just for kicks.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:03 PM | message detail
Also consider that the Ocarina of Time has a noticeably higher play rate than Final Fantasy VII does on this site (and Zelda compared to FF, at that rate). You've got an additional 10% who haven't played FFVII but have played at least one other Final Fantasy game. More room to go up.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:13 PM | message detail
Maybe 1 Sweet 16 appearance due to weaker competition? (I cant remember honestly what it has done but I know it was nothing notable...little help here, fellow Elites!)

It's had a couple of midcarder level characters and one appearance in the game contest where MGS broke 70% on RE1.

And I agree with you about RE being overrated in the bracket. I'm hoping Street Fighter can pull off the upset.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:02:36 PM | message detail
You've got an additional 10% who haven't played FFVII but have played at least one other Final Fantasy game. More room to go up.

Wasn't this poll from two years after the fact? Nintendo is more liked here now then it was then I think. At any rate mario kart vs. megaman. Discuss, damn you.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:02:45 PM | message detail
For some reason, I find myself losing faith in Mario Kart lately. I can't really explain it.

Maybe it's because I changed to it winning on my bracket, and I almost always lose when I do that.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:03:02 PM | message detail
MGS/RE is probably SFF (and actually has more of a basis than FFVII/MGS SFF in theoretical terms), plus RE isn't the strongest RE game whereas I *know* SFII is.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:04:33 PM | message detail
But Street Fighter does have SFA to fall back on, which was a popular series.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:21 PM | message detail
Maybe it's because I changed to it winning on my bracket, and I almost always lose when I do that.

You think you have it bad? My initial bracket had CV >Halo and WC > GTA, both of which I switched in my infinite wisdom.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:51 PM | message detail
I know it was, and taking the RE series as we used to know it versus the SF series as we know it I'd be wont to say the match was probably dead-even (just as those polls show it). But RE just got RE4, and I don't see what SF has to combat this new edge it has. It's like asking Bowser to compete with Snake after MGS4.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:07:58 PM | message detail
Judging from Halo 2, KH2, and GTA San Andreas I don't think RE4 will be doing much for the series' strength.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:08:23 PM | message detail
Hmmm...But how much with RE4 add to the series as a whole, really? It's hard to say for sure, because we don't know if SF was more popular before that or not. And if so, by how much? It's difficult to gauge.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:09:13 PM | message detail
Please don't tell me you're comparing the flops of the 128 division to this. Those games probably kept them from looking that much worse, if anything.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:19 PM | message detail
The main thing that Halo 2 added to Halo was that it made it a series. I doubt it would've lost by any significant margin more without it.

But then again, we just can't say for sure. Yeah, we can guess that GTA maybe loses worse without San Andreas, but can we be positive about that? Not at all. Remember that San Andreas actually ranks one spot higher on our beloved list than Resident Evil 4 does.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Eggplant Lord | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:19 PM | message detail
Maybe we should introduce... SSF!

Series Saturation Factor! When a series has achieved its virtual ceiling, being only minimally affected by new games, because of the saturation of the game in the intended market!

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I'll leave <_<

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:19 PM | message detail
For some reason, I find myself losing faith in Mario Kart lately. I can't really explain it.

I feel the same. It's almost that I now want MM to win instead. I still have no idea which game I will vote for but I think Megaman will win by over 60%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:41 PM | message detail
Hmmm...But how much with RE4 add to the series as a whole, really? It's hard to say for sure, because we don't know if SF was more popular before that or not. And if so, by how much? It's difficult to gauge.

I guess it *seems* difficult to gauge, but I know the RE fanbase, and RE4 has not only reinvented the series, but rejuvenated the fanbase as a whole. I hardly waited on bated breath for a new RE game in the past, but after RE4 I'm counting the days until RE5 comes out.

RE4 is so much more than a Halo 2, a San Andreas, or a KH2. It wasn't just a sequel to the series, it was a revolution.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:12:02 PM | message detail
I expect RE4 to play a large role. RE4 is so much different than previous games in the series.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:12:09 PM | message detail
But I'll just go ahead and say that I had Street Fighter > RE in my bracket from day one, but I can't recall ever feeling confident about it.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:15:22 PM | message detail
I'll say what I said in another topic some time ago: if Metal Gear Solid 4 were to be as proportionally popular to the previous games in the series as Resident Evil 4 was to the previous games in its series, MGS4 wins the next game contest. Yeah.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/14/2006 1:17:45 PM | message detail
Why Mega Man Will Win
By Steve Illumina

Kiddies...Newbies...Nintendites...Fanbabies...hear the Sage of Board 8 as he speaks more of his immense gaming wisdom on ye all.

Mega Man will win tomorrow...and the reason is this: "The Illumina Theory of Offshooting"

This Theory states this: "A 2nd tier RPG will always score roughly 1/4 of the vote against the offshoot of an established series of another genre, and the established series of said offshoot will always score roughly 55% of the vote against the offshoot of an established series of equal gaming type when the opposing offshoot is not of the same game type!"

A mouthful to swallow yes...so finish eating your Cocoa Puffs and pay attention. Ok Good. Now, Mega Man X beat leading 2nd tier RPG series Suikoden by a 73% vote. Now, Mega Man, the father of offshoot MMX, will beat Mario Kart, offshoot of Mario Bros, with a 55% (+/-1 or 2%) even though the parent series are of similar gaming styles and fanbases but the offshoot MK is a driving game...

Which brings me to Illumina's 4th Law of Gamefaqs: Sports games will never win a match here. Mario Kart technically is a driving game so it is a sports game. Hence, it is doomed.

Then there are the intangibles in MM favor: Anyone who voted for MMX will vote for MM, for there is total overlap of the fanbases. Also Zeroheads, ProtoPeeps, and the like will draw them in. And anyone who can hum the theme to MM2 or the Dr. Wily bosses' tune in MM3 also will cast their ballot for the Blue Bomber out of sheer nostalgic love. Also, the true series traditionalists voting bloc, the same ones who led CV and WC over their overhyped not really series yet competition will also stick with the series mentality and take the longer 19 yr established series, MM. Finally, bracket voters who took the higher seed, #4 Mega, over #5 Kart, will seek to preserve their perfects and such.

It will be close...scary close...even GTA/Warcraft close is possible. Yet, in the name of my perfect bracket, I look forward to staying up tonight, wearing my Hard Hat, and riding my lil Rush Jet skateboard around as I watch the Blue Bomber take the early lead and run with it all the way to Dr. Cassock's lair!

I feel we will have no more than 500 perfects after Kart is dispatched too! And no more than 300 after Elder Scrolls is beaten within 10 minutes the day after that!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:20:11 PM | message detail
Anyone who voted for MMX will vote for MM

Oh, I'm sorry. That is incorrect.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
steve illumina | Posted 7/14/2006 1:21:12 PM | message detail
I will write "Why Street Fighter Will Beat RE" when the match comes up! It will make believers out of many!

For now though I will say this: I did not even think about that match. I picked SF and did not think twice. SF fans (and fighting gamers in general) have been waiting for years to make a statement, this is that chance...
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:31:31 PM | message detail
Hmmm...I wonder if Mario Kart will get a "stacked" picture like Super Smash Brothers got. Something like the title screen for one of the games.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Phediuk | Posted 7/14/2006 1:33:06 PM | message detail
*COMPARISONS GAME- (4) Mega Man vs. (5) Mario Kart*

Sales

MM2, to my knowledge, is the only MM game to sell more than 1 million copies. Every Mario Kart game has been a million seller, and aside from Super Circuit are among the best-selling games on their respective systems.

Advantage: Mario Kart

Hype

Mega Man:

Rehash, rehash, rehash, always appealing to the same tiny fanbase, always selling like crap.

Mario Kart:

MKDS was the biggest DS game yet back in November, and aside from that, MK always has a few people talking about it.

Advantage: Mario Kart

Mega Man:

Main series-

Mega Man (NES, 1987)
Mega Man 2 (NES, 1989)
Mega Man 3 (NES, 1990)
Mega Man 4 (NES, 1991)
Mega Man 5 (NES, 1992)
Mega Man 6 (NES, 1994)
Mega Man 7 (SNES, 1995)
Mega Man 8 (PSX, 1997)
Rockman & Forte (SNES, 1998)
Mega Man: Powered Up (PSP, 2006)

Spinoffs/ports-

Mega Man (1990, PC)
Mega Man in Dr. Wily's Revenge (GB, 1991)
Mega Man II (GB, 1991)
Mega Man III (GB, 1992)
Mega Man 3 (1992, PC)
Wily and Right's Rockboard: That's Paradise (NES, 1993)
Mega Man IV (GB, 1993)
Mega Man X (SNES, 1993)
Mega Man Soccer (SNES, 1994)
Mega Man V (GB, 1994)
Mega Man X2 (SNES, 1994)
Mega Man: The Wily Wars (Genesis, 1994)
Mega Man (Game Gear, 1995)
Mega Man X3 (SNES, 1995)
Mega Man X (PC, 1995)
Mega Man: The Power Battle (Arcade, 1995)
Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters (Arcade, 1996)
Mega Man X3 (PSX, 1996)
Mega Man X3 (Saturn, 1996)
Mega Man Battle & Chase (PSX, 1997)
Mega Man X4 (PSX, 1997)
Mega Man X4 (Saturn, 1997)
Mega Man 8 (Saturn, 1997)
Super Adventure Rockman (PSX, 1998)
Super Adventure Rockman (Saturn, 1998)
Mega Man X3 (PC, 1998)
Mega Man X4 (PC, 1998)
Mega Man Legends (PSX, 1998)
Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future (WS, 1999)
Rockman Battle & Fighters (NGPC, 2000)
The Misadventures of Tron Bonne (PSX, 2000)
Mega Man Legends 2 (PSX, 2000)
Mega Man Legends 2 (PC, 2000)
Mega Man Battle Network (GBA, 2001)
Mega Man 64 (N64, 2001)
Mega Man Legends (PC, 2001)
Rockman Strategy (PC, 2001)
Mega Man X5 (PSX, 2001)
Mega Man X5 (PC, 2001)
Mega Man X6 (PSX, 2001)
Mega Man X6 (PC, 2001)
Mega Man Xtreme (GBC, 2001)
Mega Man Xtreme 2 (GBC, 2001)
Mega Man Battle Network 2 (GBA, 2002)
Mega Man & Bass (GBA, 2002)
Mega Man Zero (GBA, 2002)
Mega Man Zero 2 (GBA, 2003)
Rockman EXE WS (WSC, 2003)
Rockman EXE N1 Battle (WSC, 2003)
Mega Man Battle Network 3: Blue (GBA, 2003)
Mega Man Battle Network 3: White (GBA, 2003)
Mega Man X7 (PS2, 2003)
Mega Man X7 (PC, 2003)
Rockman Complete Works (PSX, 2003)
Mega Man Network Transmission (GC, 2003)
Mega Man Zero 3 (GBA, 2004)
Mega Man Battle Network 4: Red Sun (GBA, 2004)
Mega Man Battle Network 4: Blue Moon (GBA, 2004)
Rockman EXE 4.5 Real Operation (GBA, 2004)
Rockman EXE The Medal Operation (Arcade, 2004)
Rockman EXE Battle Chip Stadium (Arcade, 2004)
Rockman EXE (Mobile, 2004)
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (PS2, 2004)
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (GC, 2004)
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (Xbox, 2004)
Mega Man X: Command Mission (PS2, 2004)
Mega Man X: Command Mission (GC, 2004)
Mega Man X8 (PS2, 2004)
Mega Man (Mobile, 2004)
Mega Man Battle Chip Challenge (GBA, 2004)
Rockman EXE Phantom of Network (Mobile, 2004)
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Mega Man Zero 4 (GBA, 2005)
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Colonel (GBA, 2005)
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Protoman (GBA, 2005)
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team DS (DS, 2005)
Mega Man X: Maverick Hunter (PSP, 2006)
Mega Man X8 (PC, 2006)
Mega Man X Collection (GC, 2006)
Mega Man X Collection (PS2, 2006)
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Falzar (GBA, 2006)
Mega Man Battle Network 6: Cybeast Gregar (GBA, 2006)

Total- 91
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Mario Kart:

Main series-

Super Mario Kart (SNES, 1992)
Mario Kart 64 (N64, 1997)
Mario Kart: Super Circuit (GBA, 2001)
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (GC, 2003)
Mario Kart DS (DS, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports-

Mario Kart Arcade GP (Arcade, 2005)

Total- 6

Advantage: Mega Man

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

Mega Man:

Mega Man- 23
Mega Man 2- 24
Mega Man 3- 21
Mega Man 4- 16
Mega Man 5- 12
Mega Man 6- 9
Mega Man 7- 8
Mega Man 8- 9
Rockman & Forte- 6
Mega Man Powered Up- 5
Total- 133

Mario Kart:

Super Mario Kart- 11
Mario Kart 64- 18
Mario Kart: Super Circuit- 18
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!- 16
Mario Kart DS- 15
Total- 78

Advantage: Mega Man

Average review score/Number of reviews:

Mega Man:

Mega Man- 7.98 (52)
Mega Man 2- 8.80 (54)
Mega Man 3- 8.92 (48)
Mega Man 4- 7.36 (39)
Mega Man 5- 8.06 (36)
Mega Man 6- 6.56 (32)
Mega Man 7- 7.81 (32)
Mega Man 8- 6.77 (26)
Rockman & Forte- 8.12 (25)
Mega Man Powered Up- 8.33 (9)
Series average- 7.87 (353)

Mario Kart:

Super Mario Kart- 9.10 (40)
Mario Kart 64- 8.64 (50)
Mario Kart: Super Circuit- 8.95 (40)
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!- 8.31 (68)
Mario Kart DS- 8.90 (62)
Series average- 8.78 (260)

Advantage: Mario Kart/Mega Man

Board activity:

MKDS has more activity than the whole Mega Man series combined.

Advantage: Mario Kart

Board Odds Project

Match prediction:

Mega Man- 87
Mario Kart- 46

The most split match in the first round, but still quite clearly in favor of MM.

Advantage: Mega Man

Point value:

Mega Man- 87
Mario Kart- 46

Predictably, no one has these two going past the second round.

Advantage: Mega Man

Previous contest representation

Mega Man:

SC2002-

Mega Man (3rd)
Servbot (30th)

SC2003-

Mega Man (4th)
Zero (14th)

SC2004-

Mega Man (8th)
Zero (10th)
Protoman (45th)

Sp2005-

Dr. Wily (8th)
Sigma (21st)

SC2005-

Mega Man (5th)
Zero (18th)

Mario Kart:

Top 100-

Super Mario Kart (#61)

Advantage: Mega Man

Intangibles

Here's the big conundrum with this match: Mega Man draws much of his strength from the Nintendo fanbase. Just look at Mega Man/Link in 2004 and tell me there wasn't some SFF there.

But does the Nintendo fanbase favor Mario Kart? I think it does. It's Mario, the games have sold way more than any MM game, and let's face it--it's Nin****ingtendo.

Advantage: Mario Kart

Conclusion

The winner won't get more than 55%. But Mario Kart's support from the Nintendo fanbase should be enough to squeak by the Blue Bomber, who sure isn't gaining any fans nowadays. Mario Kart with 54%.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:35:56 PM | message detail
In reality, the sheer number of Mega Man releases gives him the sales advantage over Mario Kart.

However, if you're just going by Mega Man Classic, then Mario Kart slaughters it.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/14/2006 1:40:43 PM | message detail
MM2, to my knowledge, is the only MM game to sell more than 1 million copies.

Mega Man 2 is just the highest selling Mega Man game, but it's not the only one to sell over a million copies.

1.) Mega Man 2 -- 1.5 million
2.) Mega Man Battle Network 3 -- 1.31 million
3.) Mega Man Battle Network 4 -- 1.17 million
4.) Mega Man X -- 1.16 million
5.) Mega Man 3 -- 1.07 million

(Note: Japan really loved MMBN, America not so much.)

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:41:19 PM | message detail
I always wondered about those Battle Network games. <.<
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