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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 12:59:12 AM | message detail
Series I Think Diablo Would Beat:

Civilization
Suikoden
Pokemon
Star Ocean
Kirby
Fire Emblem
Silent Hill
Harvest Moon
Madden NFL
Dragon Quest
The Elder Scrolls
Shadow Hearts

Those are the ones I'm reasonably sure of (12 in all), and there's a few more I'd take but woudn't be *too* confident in..so yeah, half the field. Feel free to laugh now.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 12:59:33 AM | message detail
It's not my fault we don't see eye to eye on how strong Final Fantasy is.
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transience | Posted 7/14/2006 12:59:48 AM | message detail
says the man who said Diablo would have no problem breaking 30%!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:00:17 AM | message detail
Arbitrary expecations? As in, "Diablo won't be fodder"?

Or my personal favorite, "Diablo will avoid the tripling and may break 30%"? = P
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:00:22 AM | message detail
Yes it is.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:00:38 AM | message detail
Dammit tranny!
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:03 AM | message detail
It is very possible that FF really is this strong. I mean, FF has an extremely diverse fanbase because the games are so different. Add on the fact that FFVII is already the most popular game on this site, with many others in "elite status". Not to mention the series is well established, having been around since the NES days and spanning multiple consoles. This is the making of a huge force here.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:14 AM | message detail
Arbitrary expecations? As in, "Diablo won't be fodder"?

Or my personal favorite, "Diablo will avoid the tripling and may break 30%"? = P


Shut up, shut up, shut up! That never happened!

*runs away crying*
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:28 AM | message detail
And I love how quickly this board changes its opinion on what will happen in the contest depending on what happens in a match compared to whatever arbitrary expectations they set up.

For what it's worth, you're not too far off from doing the same thing.

At least I'm consistent!
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 7/14/2006 1:01:37 AM | message detail
Heh, we all have emotional attachments to certain series/games/characters that might influence us when trying to debate. Had Final Fantasy been doing this against KotOR, I'd be claiming that it could hit 90% on Zelda. >_>
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:02:42 AM | message detail
I'd think twice about Diablo > Kirby.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:03:37 AM | message detail
...I wouldn't. I can't see any reason to expect strength from Kirby.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:04:00 AM | message detail
For what it's worth, you're not too far off from doing the same thing.

At least I'm consistent!


Well that's after I've made an idiot out of myself. >_>
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:04:18 AM | message detail
I agree, I figured DMC would get around 40% on Sonic, oh well.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:05:36 AM | message detail
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/14/2006 1:03:37 AM
message detail ...I wouldn't. I can't see any reason to expect strength from Kirby.


Well he did get almost 30% on Metroid. Kirby also lost to Bowser by like 46%? Or something like that.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:07 AM | message detail
Heh, we all have emotional attachments to certain series/games/characters that might influence us when trying to debate. Had Final Fantasy been doing this against KotOR, I'd be claiming that it could hit 90% on Zelda. >_>

If SF completely beats the crap of of TES, I hope I'll have the common sense to not be calling for SF > RE, but I'm not promising anything!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:22 AM | message detail
Characters =/= Series

I'd expect Kirby's character appeal to be worth more than his games. And 30% on Metroid is impressive? Metroid wouldn't get 30% on Final Fantasy.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:29 AM | message detail
with***
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:07:38 AM | message detail
Diab...Metroid would avoid the tripling and maybe break 30%
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:08:30 AM | message detail
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/14/2006 1:06:22 AM
message detail Characters =/= Series

I'd expect Kirby's character appeal to be worth more than his games. And 30% on Metroid is impressive? Metroid wouldn't get 30% on Final Fantasy.


I know it wouldn't and I know character strength doesn't equal game strength (Which is why I have Castlevania hitting MG). I just think that the match would be fairly close. Throw me the percentages you think each series would have in that match.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:09:25 AM | message detail
I think Diablo could hit 54-56%.
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Lopen | Posted 7/14/2006 1:10:42 AM | message detail
Just to set the record straight, I've been calling for SF to beat RE even before it beats down TES. (and it will!)
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:20 AM | message detail
And I was calling for it before Lopen was calling for it, making it slightly less crazy!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:11:24 AM | message detail
Can we still have faith even after the debacle of DMC > Sonic???
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 7/14/2006 1:12:17 AM | message detail
You know, it really sucks that three (and quite possibly four, should SSB beat Sonic) of the Nintendo series in this contest will be hit with some degree of SFF. How great will it be? We have no idea, but I do believe there will be some, and I do believe that it will skew the rankings.

Another thought: could you imagine how laughably weak 30 the entrants would look had the final four paired up Zelda with Mario and Final Fantasy with Metal Gear? Oh maaaaan.
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Lopen | Posted 7/14/2006 1:12:54 AM | message detail
As if, Leonhart! That's been in my bracket since day one!

This whole recent series flopping thing just makes me more confident!
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:13:20 AM | message detail
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/14/2006 1:09:25 AM
message detail I think Diablo could hit 54-56%.


Possibly, but I still say Kirby edges it out. Kirby isn't weak and having Kirby vs. Metroid has some SFF in it anyway (Obviously not as much as character vs character, but it's still there).
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:13:39 AM | message detail
Sf can't beat RE, if TES beats it first!

TES is probably has the most unpredictable pic though. If you google image search the elder scrolls, all you get are random screenshots from various tes games, and the games are too open for some random screenshot to be turned into a contest pic.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:13:40 AM | message detail
Oh yeah? It's been in my bracket since day Alpha!
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 7/14/2006 1:13:40 AM | message detail
For what it's worth (nothing), I think Street Fighter will destroy TES, but I don't really like its chances against RE.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:14:34 AM | message detail
Kirby isn't weak

If we're talking about the games, I'd beg to differ.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:15:24 AM | message detail
I have SF > RE, but personally, I thought that was the toughest match to call in the entire bracket.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:17:25 AM | message detail
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/14/2006 1:14:34 AM
message detail Kirby isn't weak

If we're talking about the games, I'd beg to differ.

Yeah obviously his character is stronger, but given the choice in a match with Kirby against Diablo, who are most Smash players/Nintendo loyalists gonna take?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:17:38 AM | message detail
I never understood that match...it took me all of five seconds to say, "Eh, RE1 + RE2 + RE3 + RE:CV + RE4 versus fifteen installations of SFII..."

...what? >.>
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:18:15 AM | message detail
This match is just boring to watch. Nothing seems to be happening in percentage. Mario kart vs. mega man should provide at least some entertainment, even if the match ends up being a dud.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:18:30 AM | message detail
Yeah obviously his character is stronger, but given the choice in a match with Kirby against Diablo, who are most Smash players/Nintendo loyalists gonna take?

You know, I asked myself that same question during Ridley/Diablo, and in the end I wished I hadn't.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:19:02 AM | message detail
but given the choice in a match with Kirby against Diablo, who are most Smash players/Nintendo loyalists gonna take?

Oh my, we're turning this into a Smash Brothers thing now? Honestly, you could use that argument against any non-Nintendo franchise. It won't always hold up.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Draco1214 | Posted 7/14/2006 1:19:49 AM | message detail
Well, Street Fighter is the older, more established series. Also, if Halo 2 and (possibly) KH2 are any indication, RE4 won't do much.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:20:10 AM | message detail
You know, I asked myself that same question during Ridley/Diablo, and in the end I wished I hadn't.

Why in the world would you ask who the Nintendites would side with between Kirby and Diablo when the match was Ridley/Diablo?

Okay, it's really late.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:20:49 AM | message detail
To extend, a lot of people here HAVE played Diablo, and I'm sure they prefer it to Kirby. Hell, even with mass rallying or whatever you want to call it, Starcraft still gets very very close to Wind Waker, and I'm betting that game alone trashes the Kirby franchise.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:21:02 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter
Posted 7/14/2006 1:18:30 AM
message detail Yeah obviously his character is stronger, but given the choice in a match with Kirby against Diablo, who are most Smash players/Nintendo loyalists gonna take?

You know, I asked myself that same question during Ridley/Diablo, and in the end I wished I hadn't.


I also had Ridley winning, bad mistake I know, but even before that match you can't honestly think that Ridley is close to Kirby.
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LoopZoopTheBest | Posted 7/14/2006 1:21:19 AM | message detail
I'm in the same boat as you, KH, at least when I try to pick that match apart using logic. Street Fighter II didn't perform very well in the games contest, it's obviously the strongest game that the series has to offer, and there's no way the series as a whole could have gained any strength since then.

However, Street Fighter just seems like it could be a threat. Dunno what to tell you... other than it's STREET FIGHTER. STREET FIGHTER, MAN.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:22:34 AM | message detail
Street fighter is overrated.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2006 1:23:05 AM | message detail
LeonhartForever
Posted 7/14/2006 1:19:02 AM
message detail but given the choice in a match with Kirby against Diablo, who are most Smash players/Nintendo loyalists gonna take?

Oh my, we're turning this into a Smash Brothers thing now? Honestly, you could use that argument against any non-Nintendo franchise. It won't always hold up.


I know that, but it clearly gives characters from the game a boost. Do you really think Fire Emblem beats Silent Hill without SSBM?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:23:11 AM | message detail
So is Resident Evil, I bet.

...Or, I should say, I hope.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 1:23:55 AM | message detail
Ridley isn't close to Kirby, but the point is you can't expect the site to universally side with a certain contestant based on affiliation, even if it is Nintendo. Even if you believe that Starcraft is miles out of Diablo's league, the fact is that as a PC game it got plenty of votes against Nintendo games that are simply not in Kirby's class. The affiliation isn't the thing that matters most, it's the intrinsic strength of the games. In that respect, I think Diablo trumps Kirby hands down.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 1:24:02 AM | message detail
Do you really think Fire Emblem beats Silent Hill without SSBM?

Yes. Marth and Roy never factored into the equation when I picked FE to win that match.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:24:10 AM | message detail
Wow, no rush to 500 yet,. Maybe this topic will actually end with a post that has some real content in it.
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gamer421s soul | Posted 7/14/2006 1:24:26 AM | message detail
Gonads.
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 1:24:35 AM | message detail
TES > SF
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