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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 312
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| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 9:49:26 PM | message detail |
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Hey, if people would read the top 10 first, maybe DQ would get more votes! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 9:49:52 PM | message detail |
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But the thing was, Link/Samus kinda disputed that "common sense".
Basically, it was more of a gut-feeling thing. People still haven't
been able to explain why Mario was able to beat Samus by almost the
same amount that Link did (dedicated Metroid fanbase giving her at
least 37% in any match?) Hey, who knows? But the only argument I was really getting from the Mario supporters was the SFF one (well, and the "It's freakin' Mario"), but I still think it was a bit more than a gut-feeling. I know I used Link/Samus as an argument for Samus. Then again, that was pre-Contest, once Mario starting crushing his opponents, most knew it was over. And I must be one of the few that doesn't think SSB:M overperformed on FF7... --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Super Smash Bros. vs. Dragon Quest - Bracket: SSB - Vote: SSB (9/11) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 9:50:18 PM | message detail |
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What the hell is Dragon Warrior? All I see is Dragon Quest! --- Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 9:51:20 PM | message detail |
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And I must be one of the few that doesn't think SSB:M overperformed on FF7... Um, I'm pretty sure 99% of people here don't believe in it, it barely gets acknowledged as a viable possibility. Hell, even I don't believe it. --- Commit it to memory. |
| transcience | Posted 7/12/2006 9:51:31 PM | message detail |
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Why did Magus overperform on Link? Why did Frog overperform on Solid
Snake? Why did Bowser and Ganondorf overperform on Sephiroth? but two of those were proven by other matches, and the third seems rather obvious by looking at the numbers before and after. where does it say that SSBM overperformed? --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 9:52:08 PM | message detail |
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I don't think it overperformed at all... It got beaten soundly by FFVII
anyways. A lot of people just like it when everything can fit nicely...
until the next anomaly comes around... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 9:52:52 PM | message detail |
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It doesn't say that SSBM overperformed at all, yet. It's conjecture! If people had argued Magus being overrated before Knux/Magus would people have dismissed it so easily? ...oh. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 9:53:02 PM | message detail |
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but two of those were proven by other matches, and the third seems
rather obvious by looking at the numbers before and after. where does
it say that SSBM overperformed? But what other matches could there have been afterwards to say whether SSBM overperformed or not? It took two years before people realized the Magus overperformance. That was the last match before the finals. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 9:53:46 PM | message detail |
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If people had argued Magus being overrated before Knux/Magus would people have dismissed it so easily? ...oh. But...but...Ganondorf! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 9:53:55 PM | message detail |
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Um, I'm pretty sure 99% of people here don't believe in it, it
barely gets acknowledged as a viable possibility. Hell, even I don't
believe it. Fine, I'll change that. I must be one of the few that thinks SSB:M underperformed against FF7. It should have gotten at least 40%!! --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Super Smash Bros. vs. Dragon Quest - Bracket: SSB - Vote: SSB (9/11) |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 9:54:52 PM | message detail |
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But what other matches could there have been afterwards to say
whether SSBM overperformed or not? It took two years before people
realized the Magus overperformance. That was the last match before the
finals. well, yeah, but you usually have evidence that says that an overperformance is likely. we don't have anything like that for SSBM. you don't just say there's an overperformance without a reason or some numbers to back it up. cause if so, I'm calling that Samus overperformed on Yuri! --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 9:56:25 PM | message detail |
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we don't have anything like that for SSBM. you don't just say
there's an overperformance without a reason or some numbers to back it
up. Well, other than Division 128 things flopping. GTA couldn't be affected by StarCraft, remember. But either way, you can't really get any numbers because it was the second-to-last match, and no other Division 128 games were involved beyond that point. Plus, we never got to see them in action against any other era but the 32/64. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 9:56:41 PM | message detail |
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I'm not trying to make things 'fit' for the sake of it, but I'd like to
make some attempt at explaining why Soul Calibur, Halo, GTA, and others
have ranged from unimpressive to flat-out bombing. Yeah, I can just sit
back and say something like "It's a series contest," or something else
that gives a pass on everything, but people are acting like the mere
suggestion is odious or something. --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 9:56:46 PM | message detail |
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I must be one of the few that thinks SSB:M underperformed against FF7. It should have gotten at least 40%!! Yeah, for some reason I always thought SSBM got 40% on FFVII. Granted, 37% isn't THAT far from 40%. But it just looks ugly compared to what Chrono Trigger got on FFVII. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 9:57:30 PM | message detail |
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And yet I'd take CT over SSBM with absolute ease. It makes perfect sense. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 9:57:53 PM | message detail |
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But it just looks ugly compared to what Chrono Trigger got on FFVII. And for good reason. SSBM wouldn't even be in contention to beat Chrono Trigger. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 9:59:30 PM | message detail |
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True, but I'd say SSB:M gets at least 45% on it. And what do you know...that's exactly what the stats predict. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Super Smash Bros. vs. Dragon Quest - Bracket: SSB - Vote: SSB (9/11) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:00:02 PM | message detail |
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Well, yeah, that's about what I'd expect, too, but that's certainly not in contention to win. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:00:49 PM | message detail |
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Well, other than Division 128 things flopping. GTA couldn't be affected by StarCraft, remember. yeah, but we don't know how strong WC is right now, nor how much of that is rallying. you know how we like to say that SC is a horrible game to extrapolate through? I bet Warcraft is even worse. But either way, you can't really get any numbers because it was the second-to-last match, and no other Division 128 games were involved beyond that point. Plus, we never got to see them in action against any other era but the 32/64. agreed. I'm not trying to make things 'fit' for the sake of it, but I'd like to make some attempt at explaining why Soul Calibur, Halo, GTA, and others have ranged from unimpressive to flat-out bombing. Yeah, I can just sit back and say something like "It's a series contest," or something else that gives a pass on everything, but people are acting like the mere suggestion is odious or something. nothing wrong with throwing a suggestion out there, I was just wondering where the idea came from. if anything, I'd think that the current "NintendoFAQs" that we have right now would actually justify an overperformance.. it just wouldn't be nice to the games in division 128. every time I look at that result, I'm amazed at how bad FF7 beat it down. I always think it got about 41% for some reason. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:01:44 PM | message detail |
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Of course, that's not taking into consideration any possible FFVII overperformance on CT, though I don't necessarily buy that. --- SC2K6 Nominations(Note that I don't necessarily buy SSBM overperforming on FFVII either. I just like playing devil's advocate): Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:03:56 PM | message detail |
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every time I look at that result, I'm amazed at how bad FF7 beat it down. I always think it got about 41% for some reason. LOL Board 8 At the 1:00 mark, this match has 12051 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time: Zelda/Civilization - 10256 Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 10818 Castlevania/Halo - 11486 Sonic/DMC - 12063 Sonic leads by 12! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:05:06 PM | message detail |
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hey, I don't even like SSBM all that much! I prefer FF7 to it by far. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 10:05:08 PM | message detail |
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That's only because it had DMC to help it!! --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Super Smash Bros. vs. Dragon Quest - Bracket: SSB - Vote: SSB (9/11) |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/12/2006 10:05:37 PM | message detail |
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we don't have anything like that for SSBM. you don't just say
there's an overperformance without a reason or some numbers to back it
up. SSBM's performance on the List is pretty good evidence that it overperformed. >_> --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:06:40 PM | message detail |
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hey, I don't even like SSBM all that much! I prefer FF7 to it by far. More in reference to how highly Board 8 reveres the game and how much it expects from it. Honestly, from the way the board talks about its strength, you'd think it Ulti-style destroyed EVERYTHING in its division, not just MGS2. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:06:50 PM | message detail |
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and Halo, GTA:SA and FFX getting 9, 11 and 12, respectively! --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:08:14 PM | message detail |
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More in reference to how highly Board 8 reveres the game and how
much it expects from it. Honestly, from the way the board talks about
its strength, you'd think it Ulti-style destroyed EVERYTHING in its
division, not just MGS2. nah, I don't think that at all. I'm well-aware that it's not god's gift to gaming. it is the most popular game of this generation on this site though, like it or not, and the recent Nintendo shift only suggests that the gap has widened. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 10:08:26 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I think WC is a really bad thing to go on with extrapolation
(which is why I'm going to take Mario/Warcraft with a grain of salt and
then some), but just comparing, would you expect Warcraft to beat
SSB...even pre-Ninty boost? Because conventional wisdom tells me that
GTA 3, GTA SA, and all the other GTA games are worth more than SSB to
the series' strength...yet WC still beat it. The arguably third weakest
GTA game came within 5000 votes of the strongest SSB game, so yeah...I
would have probably taken GTA over SSB, even with the Ninty boost. And yet WC beat it...so how close would you think it gets to SSB? Because just from my expectations, it seems wrong to consider it. I was just amazed in general at how strong FFVII was in the Games Contest...yeah, I had it to win, but I expected FFVII/OoT to be a barnburner, and for the rest of the games to at least be in its league...lol me. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:08:34 PM | message detail |
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and Halo, GTA:SA and FFX getting 9, 11 and 12, respectively! And with Vice City at 35th, that means everything ahead of it could get 45% or better on SSBM! Hey, Sonic 2 isn't far behind! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 7/12/2006 10:09:41 PM | message detail |
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I used StarCraft bandwagoning (in the same sense as Seph 2k2, Magus
2k3, and Frog 2k4) to justify my Castlevania > KH and Halo pick when
the bracket was released...and I worried that it could extend to Melee.
Basically, it seems like whenever we have a real tight group of matches
(and SC/Halo/KH/SC was the tightest fourpack ever), we end up with
everything being severely overrated in the XS. When you combine that
with massive votal changes and the general unreliability from StarCraft
due to rallying, you get a top half of Div128 that doesn't make any
sense. But you could probably say the same thing about Melee - all it's matches were close (except for destroying MGS2 :p), and, of course, FFVII, but Magus showed that you don't necessarily need to be in a close match to overperform. In the bracket phase, I chose to believe it was StarCraft that got "bandwagon'd", and that's why I went with Castlevania and Smash Bros. in the Elite 8. But it could extend to Smash Bros., which would give Sonic the edge and kinda explain GTA/WarCraft. --- "It's two children and a duck. Be careful!" ~ Leo, Suikoden III |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:10:01 PM | message detail |
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yeah, I had it to win, but I expected FFVII/OoT to be a barnburner,
and for the rest of the games to at least be in its league...lol me. I have a feeling quite a few people are going to be saying something along those lines after this contest. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 10:12:24 PM | message detail |
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And with Vice City at 35th, that means everything ahead of it could get 45% or better on SSBM! Hey, Sonic 2 isn't far behind! If San Andreas didn't exist, Vice City would have been at least Top 20 on the list... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:12:31 PM | message detail |
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I picked FF7 without a second thought. I figured the only game that could give it even close to a match was OOT. And with Vice City at 35th, that means everything ahead of it could get 45% or better on SSBM! Hey, Sonic 2 isn't far behind! list SFF, baby! I'm really looking forward to SMB/WC.. I think it's very possible that our x-stats will look like this: 1. FF 2. Zelda 3. Mario 4. Warcraft 5. GTA 6. Metal Gear GTA > MG, yo! (note that I wouldn't pick that) 30,000 votes of rallying will make WC look pretty damn good against Mario. the only question is if people won't bother trying to rally when Mario beats the living hell out of it in the first few minutes. god knows that I'm cheering for Warcraft though! --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:13:24 PM | message detail |
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Ehh, I don't expect Warcraft to make much of a match of it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/12/2006 10:14:15 PM | message detail |
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Nah, Mario's gonna kill Warcraft. The only interesting thing about this match will be comparing it to FF/Diablo. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 10:14:50 PM | message detail |
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Sometimes I wish Starcraft would have edged out Melee, just to see what
FFVII would have done against it. Some people say they'd expect it to
get over 40%, but I'm just the opposite. I'd actually expect FFVII to
double it, thanks to people abandoning the rally for OUR THE BEST GAME
EVER --- Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 7/12/2006 10:15:04 PM | message detail |
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I get the feeling that's there's a decent chance that WoW players would
vote for Mario, (much moreso than GTA, anyway), so I'm not sure how
much rallying would help. And that would screw up my Castlevania > non Noble Nine prediction! --- "It's two children and a duck. Be careful!" ~ Leo, Suikoden III |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 10:15:31 PM | message detail |
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WarCraft is going to get crushed, even the rallyers know that. At most I see it getting 40%, but I'm guessing between 65-70%. GTA would've done better on it. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Super Smash Bros. vs. Dragon Quest - Bracket: SSB - Vote: SSB (9/11) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:15:33 PM | message detail |
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And though I say Warcraft won't make much of a match of it, I have no
idea what to predict as far as SMB's percentage is concerned. I have a
feeling that Analysis Crew picks will be all over the place for that
one. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 10:15:56 PM | message detail |
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I figured that after seeing a Cloud/Sephiroth final in 2k3, there would
be no question about FFVII winning the games contest. I figured that
Link/Cloud 2k3 was a one-time thing, but seeing Cloud and Sephiroth so
strong still made FFVII winning a foregone conclusion. I figured
Ocarina of Time would get beat like it did, but of course I don't
worship the game like most Zelda fans do... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/12/2006 10:16:00 PM | message detail |
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In that WoW forum thread, I saw a lot of "Warcraft is good but Mario is best" kind of posts. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:17:32 PM | message detail |
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yeah, but those posts are in the minority. god knows how many people
saw the thread and voted for WC without posting. sure, some people will
vote Mario, but I saw some posts like that about GTA as well. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 10:17:47 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, expect a lot of the ralliers to jump ship. I'd suspect the
rallying in favor of WC in the last match was only around 55% or so
(remember, even the Korean bloc was only 60-65% in favor of Starcraft),
so what we might end up with in SMB's case is just a really really high
scoring blowout. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:17:49 PM | message detail |
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I figured Ocarina of Time would get beat like it did, but of course I don't worship the game like most Zelda fans do... Which makes me wonder how fans are going to react to Twilight Princess if in fact it ISN'T the next Ocarina of Time. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 10:19:17 PM | message detail |
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either way, that match should be interesting... 45% for WC doesn't seem
like an impossibility to me, and nor does 70% for Mario. hopefully it's
closer to 45% and we get some ridiculous amount of votes. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 10:19:17 PM | message detail |
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I hate to inject my own personal opinion, but after seeing a lot of TP
stuff I'm becoming more and more underwhelmed by it...and actually
wondering why people are so hyped. I mean, does it have that much to
offer over Wind Waker? Aside from uber-kewl Adult Link and all that, I
guess... --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 10:19:57 PM | message detail |
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In that WoW forum thread, I saw a lot of "Warcraft is good but Mario is best" kind of posts. Well of course there are going to be a bunch of Warcraft fans that choose to vote for SMB, but that is due to SMB's huge popularity. It's part of its innate strength. Of course I think that SMB is going to be an absolute beast against FF (definitely better than what Mario got against Sephy), so any respectable showing by Warcraft (35-40%) would still make it and GTA look pretty good in the x-stats. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 10:21:25 PM | message detail |
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Of course I think that SMB is going to be an absolute beast against FF (definitely better than what Mario got against Sephy), The first time or the second time? If the first time...Maybe. The second time though? Can't see that. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 10:21:35 PM | message detail |
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Ick...the representative of the entire SMB series getting flattened by
the villain of the most popular FF game didn't fill me with any kind of
hope for SMB. I'll be pulling for it, but FF could end up making that
one nasty. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/12/2006 10:22:29 PM | message detail |
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Damn....Dragon Quest is getting thrashed... --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |