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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 1:51:17 PM | message detail
I don't know about how strong Devil May Cry really would be. Dante seems to transcend his game. I mean, the guy got a boost after DMC2, for goodness sake!
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 1:52:22 PM | message detail
If MG/SC and SMB/Madden would have switched places, this bracket would have been instantly amazing.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:52:32 PM | message detail
I do however rescind my statement on Dante being strong ONLY because of DMC. I somehow in my insanity forgot that Dante is the king of random cameo appearances, and those have likely contributed to his strength over the years by a noticeable margin. The majority of his power still obviously comes from DMC, though.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 7/12/2006 1:53:11 PM | message detail
Sonic is just destroying DMC. I'm impressed and still confident in my pick of Sonic > SSB

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:55:19 PM | message detail
Yeah, if you swap MG/SC with SMB/Madden you've basically got yourself a miniature 128-division in terms of insanity and unpredictability. Oh, well.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/12/2006 1:58:47 PM | message detail
I've alwasy had a feeling Dante > DMC was true. If Dante drew his strength from DMC in a manner more like most other contestants I'm sure we'd have seen DMC in the games contest. Dante seems to be popular because HE is cool, not because his games are.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 2:03:10 PM | message detail
I should actually say this: switch all of the Snake Division's matches with all of the Mushroom Division's matches except for the 1vs8-seed matches...that way, there's still SMB/FF, at least.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 2:13:13 PM | message detail
I dunno, competition for the 32-64 division was BRUTAL. In terms of Playstation games you had FFVII, MGS, FFT, Resident Evil, Xenogears, and Suikoden. The first four are heavy hitters, while the last two thrive on rabid fanbases (Xenogears may lie somewhere in between, granted). And DMC may very well have split votes with DMC2, strange as it may seem.

Then checking Dante as he compares to characters, you realize that there aren't very many strong non-Noble Nine characters that actually star in their own games. You have to go down to Master Chief, Donkey Kong, and Ryu to find characters whose games made the contest, and I'd argue it was much easier for them to do so. In fact, the one character who is comparable to Dante in the respect of being strong yet not having a game in the contest is...Kirby.

Although I guess we've already seen that Kirby's games aren't strong...it would be really weird if it turned out the same for Dante, too.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/12/2006 2:15:38 PM | message detail
I dunno, competition for the 32-64 division was BRUTAL.

So? Wouldn't DMC fall under Division 128?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 2:18:32 PM | message detail
*slaps head*

I have no idea why I keep thinking of DMC as a PS1 game.

Although the 128 division was arguably much, much worse. I mean, in terms of PS2 games you had FFX, Kingdom Hearts, and Vice City.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 2:21:54 PM | message detail
...and MGS2. Damn it, I'm off today!

Although I think that proves the point even better. I don't think anyone would reasonably expect DMC to get nominated over MGS2, and that got a 15-seed.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 2:57:37 PM | message detail
I haven't heard anybody say it yet...but I believe DMC's been "winning" the day vote. Only little by little, but still bumping up in percentage.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 2:59:33 PM | message detail
Furthermore, I know MGS2:S had been out on the Xbox then, and I don't know if the double-pack for GTA3/GTA:VC had come out before GTA:VC/SSBM or not...but, if so, that's an even bigger case against DMC making it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 2:59:45 PM | message detail
Nah, Sonic was steadily leaking percentage overnight, but it recovered with the day vote IIRC. We may be heading into 'night vote' territory again.

...wow, these voting trends are terribly unpronounced.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/12/2006 2:59:51 PM | message detail
Sonic increased its percentage with the morning vote (which is more of what it's known for, not really the "afternoon day" vote). DMC's been chopping away the percentage since about 2:30 P.M. EST.
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Mega Mana | Posted 7/12/2006 3:00:52 PM | message detail
Heh, shouldn't DMC be getting all the 6's?

Sonic - 66669
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 3:01:58 PM | message detail
Bah, damn semantics -- I generally call the day-vote where the after-school vote is, and call the morning-vote where you call the day-vote...

...ah, **** it -- I need to step away from this site a LOT more.
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Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 3:04:17 PM | message detail
Come on, Dante... bring him below 70%! You can do it.

*hangs head in shame*
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 3:14:35 PM | message detail
Ya know, just to make sure and for future comparison's sake, would anybody bother taking Harvest Moon or Suikoden over Dragon Quest?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 3:16:06 PM | message detail
...I don't really know. These fodder series confound me to no end.

Completely random guess: DQ > HM > Suikoden
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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/12/2006 3:22:15 PM | message detail
I would definately take DQ over HM and Suikoden.
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Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 3:26:25 PM | message detail
Indeed. But not by much. The whole Dragon Quest/Dragon Warrior issue isn't getting the attention it deserves, and I think it'll really hurt the series. Well... it's not like it'd be a contender even without the name issue, but still.

Me? I'd take DQ > Suikoden > HM.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/12/2006 3:26:53 PM | message detail
would anybody bother taking Harvest Moon or Suikoden over Dragon Quest?

Not a chance.
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Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 3:32:42 PM | message detail
I don't know. I'd at least consider Suikoden over DQ. Suikoden seems to be decultifying itself at least a bit, and as I said, I think it's Suikoden against a slightly stronger DQ8 because of the name thing. I'm pretty sure DQ8 is more popular than any Suikoden game, but would it be enough for the series to win? I'm not really sure.

We'll have a better idea once we see what DQ does tomorrow I guess. Not that it really matters anyway.
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transience | Posted 7/12/2006 3:33:42 PM | message detail
DQ beats Suikoden down. not sure about HM.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/12/2006 3:34:11 PM | message detail
I can't see Suikoden even really making that match close. It will always be horribly cult. Dragon Quest at least has games with decent sales.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/12/2006 3:34:52 PM | message detail
And I agree with tranny. I'd consider Harvest Moon over DQ before I'd consider Suikoden.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 7/12/2006 3:36:07 PM | message detail
And let's not forget Dragon Warrior got #77 on the Top 100 list, which shows some people on this site care

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/12/2006 3:36:27 PM | message detail
I think it would be DQ > Harvest Moon > Suikoden.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/12/2006 3:36:40 PM | message detail
Match XII: (2) Super Smash Bros. vs. (7) Dragon Quest

Games in series

Super Smash Bros. (N64, 1999)
Super Smash Bros. Melee (GC, 2001)

Dragon Warrior (NES, 1989)
Dragon Warrior II (NES, 1990)
Dragon Warrior III (NES, 1991)
Dragon Warrior IV (NES, 1992)
Dragon Quest V (SNES, JP1992)
Dragon Quest VI (SNES, JP1995)
Dragon Warrior VII (PS, 2001)
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (PS2, 2005)

Analysis:

One day a child decides to play “fight” with his toys and SSB was born. That’s pretty much the whole story of that series. The Dragon Quest series was called Dragon Warrior in NA and Dragon Quest in Japan until DQVIII came out and now it’s called Dragon Quest around the world. Depending which Dragon Quest game you play the story is different. Some kind of evil has taken over the kingdom; it’s your job to stop it with a little help with some friends. I also heard that this game may contain dragons.

Like Halo Super Smash Bros. isn’t technically a series yet, but unlike Halo it should have no problem winning its first match. Dragon Quest is more of a Japanese series and if this site was from Japan I would have DQ winning, but since it isn’t SSB should win easily.

What most people are watching for is how well SSB performs and will it be enough to defeat Sonic? Many people would take Devil May Cry over Dragon Quest so Super Smash Bros. would have to outperform Sonic or it will be eaten alive by the stats topic. I think SSB will out perform Sonic after a slow start from DQ’s Japan fans, but it will only outperform just enough that the match will still be in question.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Smash Bros. over Dragon Quest

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Smash Bros. wins, 73.96% - 26.04%

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cyko | Posted 7/12/2006 3:44:07 PM | message detail
I'd think either DMC or DMC3 could handle the original SC (but probably not DMC2), and that leaves the multiplatform SCII. It's certainly the biggest of the games, and introduced it to a lot of Nintendites courtesy of Link. The only thing that could probably hang with it is the original DMC, and that's being generous to the original.

oh, cmon now, KH. i don't think Soul Calibur is quite as weak as DMC. i would take the original SC over any DMC game and i would also take SC as a series. i'm too tired at the moment to formulate a coherent argument, but my initial instinct says that SC would take any of those matches.

HaRRicH
Posted 7/12/2006 6:14:35 PM
message detail Ya know, just to make sure and for future comparison's sake, would anybody bother taking Harvest Moon or Suikoden over Dragon Quest?


nope, neither. DQ is more mainstream and it's been around longer than both of those series - so it's got some of that sweet nostalgia going for it. plus, whatever small Japanese population hangs around here is almost certainly going to support DQ. it's pretty much THE series in Japan.

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cyko | Posted 7/12/2006 3:48:56 PM | message detail
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Posted 7/12/2006 3:33:45 PM
message detail Prediction: Sonic with 57.5%

-_- You really are such an anti-fanboy.
Have you ever once over estimated a sonic character/game?


i'm pretty sure you're talking to Ulti, but i believe that i am the true anti-Sonic series fanboy. and Slowflake is the anti-Shadow the Hedgehog fanboy, heh.

in fact, i'm almost positive that Sonic will beat SSB next round, for the simple fact that the Sonic Team has screwed me over in just about every contest:

SC2K2 - i took Tidus over Sonic.
SC2K3 - i took Yuna over Knuckles AND Wario over Shadow.
SC2K4 - i took Viewtiful Joe over Tails .
Sp2K5 - i took Sin to win his 4-pack over Dr. Robotnik (which happened to be the closest match of the contest AND cost me a Top 10 finish in the contest....)
SC2K5 - i took Magus over Knuckles.

see? the Sonic Team always screws me. now, it's the whole ******* series turn to screw me over.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/12/2006 3:51:27 PM | message detail
DQVIII would completely destroy any Suikoden or Harvest Moon game. I'm unsure about the rest of the series, though. Check out the sales for the other games:

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=dragon+quest&console=&publisher=&sort=America

Nothing terribly impressive, the NES games are a little lower than even the Megaman games, and those are pretty pathetic. The most interesting thing I noticed was the sales of DQ8 in Europe. 600K copies for an RPG there is absolutely insane.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 4:13:00 PM | message detail
oh, cmon now, KH. i don't think Soul Calibur is quite as weak as DMC. i would take the original SC over any DMC game and i would also take SC as a series. i'm too tired at the moment to formulate a coherent argument, but my initial instinct says that SC would take any of those matches.

My initial instinct says SC = Dreamcast fighting game, DMC = PS2 action game. I'd bet on DMC taking out the original SC every time. The one thing that concerns me is SCII.

And I don't trust your initial instinct, because I'm betting that pre-SpC2k4 your initial instinct is just the opposite.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/12/2006 4:14:51 PM | message detail
SC2K2 - i took Tidus over Sonic.
SC2K3 - i took Yuna over Knuckles AND Wario over Shadow.


Well that's your own stupid fault X_X

lol. *checks voting stats again* This match is now around 10,000 behind yesterday. Still, very high. I can't wait to see a match break 150k for the first time. And it will happen. Fairly easily.

So srsly, anybody got the top 10 votals in a match ever list thingymabookie?
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/12/2006 4:15:02 PM | message detail
SC2K2 - i took Tidus over Sonic.
SC2K3 - i took Yuna over Knuckles AND Wario over Shadow.


Well that's your own stupid fault X_X

lol. *checks voting stats again* This match is now around 10,000 behind yesterday. Still, very high. I can't wait to see a match break 150k for the first time. And it will happen. Fairly easily.

So srsly, anybody got the top 10 votals in a match ever list thingymabookie?
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/12/2006 4:44:27 PM | message detail
Metal Gear would have been considered a FAR better match for SSB by this board had SSB been placed in its division. I still doubt a majority would have had Metal Gear win (lol Board 8), but the consensus would not have been to the extreme degree that SSB > Sonic was.

Nice point.

So, do you think Metal Gear beats SSB? or Sonic?


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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/12/2006 4:48:34 PM | message detail
Oh, and in other news, Kingdom Hearts II isn't number 1 today. Has that happened before, or is this the first time since it's been out?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 4:50:54 PM | message detail
I'm not sure if it's been knocked off before, but considering what it got knocked off by I'm convinced it had to do with the rallying.
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shadow8021 | Posted 7/12/2006 4:52:02 PM | message detail
Lead is exactly 43000.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 4:54:56 PM | message detail
Also, it *really* looks like it was fueled primarily by WoW. WoW jumped to #1, but none of the other WC games even scratched the top 50.
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transience | Posted 7/12/2006 5:02:01 PM | message detail
whoa, it's like they all hit the board on the day of the match. hmm...

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=534914&topic=29210682

that's one of, like, 20 topics dedicated to rallying. huzzah!
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Chamek | Posted 7/12/2006 5:04:01 PM | message detail
KHII got knocked off briefly for Oblivion on the XBox and NSMB, that I know of, possibly one or two other titles--DQVIII maybe. Also this is WoW's first trip to the number one position, it's previous highest rank was two.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 5:16:52 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse12.jpg

Yeesh, cluttered, much?
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/12/2006 5:17:09 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse12.jpg

Poor DQ. Looks like a valiant but futile attempt to hold off the SSB army.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 5:18:07 PM | message detail
Sonic is lucky SSBM won't get that match pic next round, dayum talk about overkill.

And while cluttered, it still looks badass.
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transience | Posted 7/12/2006 5:23:28 PM | message detail
wow, it's DQ8 vs. SSBM!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 5:27:12 PM | message detail
Now, now, I'm pretty sure that the SSB logo is from the 64 version. It's SSB + SSBM versus DQ8, silly.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/12/2006 6:33:50 PM | message detail
For my comments of Kingdom Hearts over Metal Gear, after just watching the ending of MGS3, I feel almost guilty. Metal Gear Solid is an amazing series, I know it gets talked about here, but it feels like, from the quality of the writing/movies, it should be spoken of a lot more. If I ranked them, I would say:

MGS3 > MGS > MGS2

And I'm glad I finally understand that "..and like a true soldier" quote; I had previously assumed it was for Kerrigan.


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Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 6:35:17 PM | message detail
That ranking is 100% correct.
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