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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 4:35:00 AM | message detail |
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The Halo numbers aren't completely awful. You ask how many of
GameFAQs owns MGS2 or MGS3, and I doubt you're going to get too far
above a 50% ownership rate either. To me, this just looks like
hindsight bias talking. It's easy to pull out plenty of warning signs
after the deed is done, for pretty much anything, but did you? I'm not trying to say it was obvious and everyone should have seen it. I did not pick Castlevania, I readily admit that. But still, when you do look back at everything, there are clear and present signs for why Halo lost and why it is more of an individual case. Halo is limited to one console that most of GameFAQs do not own nor care for, it has less than 50% ownership at this site, and it was overrated by StarCraft. What about Halo 2? Well, Master Chief didn't exactly break barriers the contest after its release. I'm not saying Halo is a weakling, but there is enough reason to see why it lost and is not in the same boat as Metal Gear, or even remotely close. I think MGS2 and MGS3 would probably have above 50% ownership at this site. Not by a lot, of course, but I could them a smidge over it. At least MGS2, even if it is probably the weakest of the three ... MGS2 had 51.66% saying they were going to buy MGS2 when it released back in an old poll -- 2001 poll. 11% said they just didn't want it and the others didn't have a PS2 at the time. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=702 (Old, old, old.) My main argument for Castlevania is the exposure advantage it has. That's really all the advantage it does have. It does have more exposure, certainly. But Metal Gear is not limited in exposure either. You seem to downplay that by quite a bit, but I would wager that the old Castlevania games wouldn't be that much stronger than the original Metal Gear. I don't want to downplay what I'm saying too much. I do think that the age and iconic status is pretty bloody important now from what we've been seeing, but it's not as if I'm flipping out and calling a 50-50 match where I'd originally had seen a 70-30. Metal Gear does have the age and the iconic status though. It's one of the oldest and most popular franchises in the gaming industry today. It's hard to sit here and deny that the old Metal Gear games do not matter. They are not nearly as popular as Metal Gear Solid, but then the old Castlevania games are not nearly as popular as SotN. But yeah, it's just a wait and see thing. Karma Hunter is right in saying that we still need to wait until it faces Kingdom Hearts before acting as though this match-up is a lock, even if I think Castlevania is going to win. << --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/12/2006 5:20:32 AM | message detail |
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Does anyone think Castlevania will get a bigger percentage against Kingdom Hearts than it did Halo? --- sig |
| cyko | Posted 7/12/2006 5:59:34 AM | message detail |
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Does anyone think Castlevania will get a bigger percentage against Kingdom Hearts than it did Halo? no. i think that if it squeaks past KH, it will not be by very much at all. steve illumina Posted 7/12/2006 12:40:22 AM message detail where is cyko? he owes me an apology for insisting GTA would double up on WC... *reluctantly apologizes* yeah, you were right that GTA wasn't that much stronger than WC. but i still insist that Warcraft's heavy rallying put them over the top. =P and after seeing all the newer series dropping like flies, i now fully expect DQ to break 30% tomorrow. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/12/2006 7:20:15 AM | message detail |
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Interesting. Sonic's doing a good job with the day vote where Halo completely failed. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/12/2006 7:34:40 AM | message detail |
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Sonic has the advantage of being against ertyu (and the indestr- wait, he's eliminated!) instead of the Plan. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| steve illumina | Posted 7/12/2006 7:41:30 AM | message detail |
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Hopin some more perfects drop today...1218 is too many peeps to be associated with :) --- Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers! Score: 11-0! |
| steve illumina | Posted 7/12/2006 7:42:50 AM | message detail |
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cyko: hehehe Awesome, former Trivia IX champ teammate! :) --- Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers! Score: 11-0! |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 7/12/2006 7:50:15 AM | message detail |
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*compares votals* This match is only 5000 behind yesterday. And what are the top 10 in terms of votals ever? --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz I admire MYC, for he is the pinnacle of human wit, poise, and beauty. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 7:51:55 AM | message detail |
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As of the most recent update (10:50 AM EST), Sonic/DMC is ahead of SMB/Madden by 484. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Aprosenf | Posted 7/12/2006 7:54:16 AM | message detail |
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I'd just like to point out that there were two favorite Konami series polls: Poll 1453 (11/30/2003) Which Konami game series is your all-time favorite? 4211 5.55% Bemani (DDR/BeatMania) 16606 21.87% Castlevania 5101 6.72% Contra 2510 3.31% Goemon (Mystical Ninja) 857 1.13% Gradius/Parodius 26479 34.87% Metal Gear 1671 2.2% Pro Evolution/ISS/Winning Eleven Soccer 4698 6.19% Silent Hill 7874 10.37% Suikoden 5930 7.81% Yu-Gi-Oh! Poll 520 (05/02/2001) Which Konami game series is your all-time favorite? 492 3.94% Bemani (Dancing/Rhythm titles) 3512 28.09% Castlevania 1288 10.3% Contra 586 4.69% Goemon (aka Mystical Ninja) 203 1.62% Gradius/Parodius 4314 34.51% Metal Gear 1641 13.13% Suikoden 128 1.02% Tokimeki Memorial 238 1.9% Winning Eleven/ISS 99 0.79% Yu-Gi-Oh! CV dropped over 6% in those 2 1/2 years between those polls, while Metal Gear barely changed. --- For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/12/2006 8:17:31 AM | message detail |
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The day vote isn't dead! Figures Sonic would show that. Fun fact: In my final Round 1 analysis, after closesly analyzing why RE would be SH, I listed my Top 3 matches for next round. #2 was Halo/KH and #1 was Sonic/SSB. Looks like I need to change that...I'm actually looking more forward to CV/KH more than anything. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Sonic vs. Devil May Cry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (8/10) |
| jonthomson | Posted 7/12/2006 8:19:45 AM | message detail |
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Which Konami game series is your all-time favorite? 5101 6.72% Contra 4698 6.19% Silent Hill Bah. The good series always get snubbed. And LOL @ Sonic's dominance today. SSB is in a world of trouble. Now if it wasn't for these pesky one point losses... useless GTA --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| therealmnm | Posted 7/12/2006 9:03:04 AM | message detail |
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Oh god, Aitch Em is on another Metal Gear tirade! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| steve illumina | Posted 7/12/2006 10:39:43 AM | message detail |
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APRO: You got any polls like that for all time fav. Capcom series? --- Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers! Score: 11-0! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 10:40:58 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=523 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454 --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/12/2006 10:45:25 AM | message detail |
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RE beats SF even BEFORE RE4. Interesting... or not. That match was never in doubt for me. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 11:02:32 AM | message detail |
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RE always struck me as having more highly-acclaimed titles than SF,
even before RE4. The original RE, RE2, and REmake come to mind right
off the bat...whereas I don't think SF can do the same (though I very
well could
take SF2 to beat any of those three RE games). RE's games in general
always seemed to get more attention, too, and those polls never hurt
its cause for the match either. Throw in RE4 after that, and SF is
doomed. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 11:06:21 AM | message detail |
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Also, since we're talkin' about SF, I want to mention something I saw
as weird the other day: TES is going to get most of its popularity from
being on the Xbox/360, with some support coming from the PC as well,
correct? Well, that's very similar to Halo (though Halo's main support
is more console-based, I bet)...yet TES out-ranked Halo by three seeds.
Nominations can't count anti-votes, so that can't be the issue...was
there a big rally for TES to make it in, or is it something that just
happened by letting nature take its course? --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/12/2006 11:13:44 AM | message detail |
| I think Resident Evil as a series could be underrated as a whole. It was very popular during the PSX era, and it probably is a victim of the "Something Fishy Factor" in 2k4, being behind Metal Gear and Final Fantasy VII. There's probably a strong tiering between those 3 games among PSX fans. Given that it was exposed to the Gamecube fanbase as well, in addition to having a strong Playstation backing, I'm sure it could have done some damage elsewhere in the bracket. I dare say it should have been placed in the bottom of Metal Gear division! RE/Halo? RE/Castlevania? RE/KH? Who ya got? |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/12/2006 11:15:40 AM | message detail |
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Bah, you'd have obvious seeding issues. Besides, if you just pulled the
ol' switcheroo, then you'd have a Harvest Moon/Shadow Hearts match. OMG
RATINGS. I still say CJayC should've swapped Diablo and Shadow Hearts. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/12/2006 11:17:44 AM | message detail |
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Also, since we're talkin' about SF, I want to mention something I
saw as weird the other day: TES is going to get most of its popularity
from being on the Xbox/360, with some support coming from the PC as
well, correct? Well, that's very similar to Halo (though Halo's main
support is more console-based, I bet)...yet TES out-ranked Halo by
three seeds. Nominations can't count anti-votes, so that can't be the
issue...was there a big rally for TES to make it in, or is it something
that just happened by letting nature take its course? Suikoden was the four seed in its division. I'm not putting any stock whatsoever into the nominations. They are board dominated. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 11:24:59 AM | message detail |
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I agree with it being board-dominated -- hell, Castlevania should have
been a one-seed and Halo would have been snubbed if it was up to solely
us, and we see that it finished as CV - 3 and Halo - 6...but, at the
same time, CV did decisively beat Halo, too, and some people think
Suikoden should have lost harder to MMX. Obviously, this isn't me trying to say "well hey, seedings aren't EXACTLY right but they're very close"...don't mistake me for that. I'm just saying that, for another mainly-Xbox/360 series to outdo Halo seed-wise, that's a first for the contests...and outdoing it by three seeds is bigger. It doesn't seem like there was a big movement for TES, and it's arguably the biggest RPG series here not made by Square. We'll see in afew days if there's any reason for all that..... I still take SF to win, I'm not doubting its performance...but that stands out to me now. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| _SmurfX_ | Posted 7/12/2006 11:27:29 AM | message detail |
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Quality performance for Sonic. Should be too hot for SSB to handle. I predict that will bomb tomorrow, BTW. Will suprise me if it breaks 60% --- Germany's Road to victory! Germany 3-1 Portugal Next up: Ireland (Euro Qualifiers) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 11:33:46 AM | message detail |
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Recent series are flopping left and right... and I'd call Metal Gear a more recent series as far as its popularity goes. Yeah, and that "more recent series" is responsible for flopping a fellow "more recent series." Metal Gear isn't going to suffer for having its most popular games from the early PSX/N64 era. Heck, Final Fantasy and Zelda draw their most popular games within one year of the release of Metal Gear Solid. And arguably the second most popular Super Mario title came two years prior. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/12/2006 11:40:29 AM | message detail |
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| TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/12/2006 11:42:05 AM | message detail |
| And I just realized that Leonhart said the EXACT same thing. So much for reading entire posts... |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 11:44:05 AM | message detail |
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At the 14:40 mark, this match has 76790 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time: Zelda/Civilization - 71868 Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 73325 Castlevania/Halo - 74525 Mario/Madden - 76855 GTA/Warcraft - 84945 --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| _SmurfX_ | Posted 7/12/2006 11:44:48 AM | message detail |
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IMO Halo flopped because it's Xbox. It has nothing to do with it being "modern". Master Chief almost lost to Felix and Halo to Soul Calibur. I don't need to say that Halo needs no encouragement to be anti-voted. DMC got what it deserved. I wouldn't say it "underperformed". Sonic has been on the rise in every contest since 03 and it did have a mighty match pic. --- Germany's Road to victory! Germany 3-1 Portugal Next up: Ireland (Euro Qualifiers) |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 7/12/2006 11:48:11 AM | message detail |
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I think Elder Scrolls will beat Street Fighter. It's got the PC
audience, a loyal fanbase, virtually no anti-vote, and it has a huge
number of people coming here for the FAQs, so they may vote for it on
that basis alone. If it did win, I'm guessing the prediction percentage would be 20% or less. Enough to get me back in the game! *I thought GTA would win, so I'm 9/10* --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. CERtified user. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 11:49:53 AM | message detail |
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It's got the PC audience, For what little that is worth. a loyal fanbase, virtually no anti-vote, What? Street Fighter II doesn't? and it has a huge number of people coming here for the FAQs, so they may vote for it on that basis alone. What a coincidence! Grand Theft Auto does, too! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/12/2006 11:53:15 AM | message detail |
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I think Elder Scrolls will beat Street Fighter. It's got the PC
audience, a loyal fanbase, virtually no anti-vote, and it has a huge
number of people coming here for the FAQs, so they may vote for it on
that basis alone. Elder Scrolls simply doesn't have enough of an audience to contend with a series as generally popular as Street Fighter. It's fanbase may give it a nice chunk of votes, but then again, it's not even a given that Elder Scrolls fans themselves prefer the series to Street Fighter. |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:16:11 PM | message detail |
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What would the prediction percentage be if ES beat SF, do you think? --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. CERtified user. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 12:17:02 PM | message detail |
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I think Elder Scrolls can manage at least 40% prediction percentage. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Smurfs_DaBomb | Posted 7/12/2006 12:33:45 PM | message detail |
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Prediction: Sonic with 57.5% -_- You really are such an anti-fanboy. Have you ever once over estimated a sonic character/game? --- His only constant is his unpredictability. Zidane Tribal |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 12:40:13 PM | message detail |
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I'd say ES would have 39%. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:46:30 PM | message detail |
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How many perfect brackets would be left? I'd say a hundred or so. --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. CERtified user. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/12/2006 12:47:14 PM | message detail |
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I'd give ES 35% for prediction percentage. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 12:59:17 PM | message detail |
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Ah, there he is. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:02:30 PM | message detail |
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Hmm...as soon as things point to Sonic finally being able to perhaps
upset SSB, and stun the doubters on Board 8 once and for all, Smurf
appears and proceeds to gloat on Sonic's chances. GODDAMMIT, Sonic is so screwed --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 1:04:06 PM | message detail |
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Interesting to note that Sonic is the only Noble Niner not to break
75,000 individual votes in a match. Sonic 2 did, and now it looks like
his series will do the same. For all of this talk that Sonic will be
stronger than his games, his games seem to be a bigger vote draw. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/12/2006 1:07:41 PM | message detail |
| The only match Sonic's had against true fodder was Pitfall Harry back in 2k2 to be fair. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:07:55 PM | message detail |
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Eh, Sonic always gets stuck with the stronger or stronger than expected
fighting game characters in round one...I don't think he'd have any
trouble putting up 75,000 on Pitfall Harry if they met again in the
first round. I do agree his games are more popular than him. I'm starting to doubt the 'needs a strong game' factor more than ever, especially since many would argue that DMC is stronger than any individual Sonic game. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 1:10:15 PM | message detail |
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Well, the thing is...even though he does seem to get the stronger
fodder, his matches don't draw in many votes. His most popular match
was getting blown out by Cloud Strife, and that's only good for 33rd
all-time (for the record, Mario/Shadow got more votes). You have to go
all the way down to Sonic/Aeris for his highest draw for a match that
he WON, and that's 42nd. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 1:11:08 PM | message detail |
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You bringing up Sonic's vote-totals makes me ask this about Warcraft
fans: would you think they'd favor Sonic or SSB more? I think today's
match shows there's a decent-sized carry-over from yesterday, and
SMB/WC will be right before Sonic/SSB. I remember there supposedly
being alot of Starcraft fans that prefered SSBM to Starcraft...but
neither the Sonic series nor even Warcraft is Starcraft, and SSBM is
not the SSB series (believe it or not). --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 1:12:30 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, I'd say Warcraft fans are more likely to have
played a Sonic game than a SSB game, if it came down to it. Those PC
gamers are an odd lot. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:12:58 PM | message detail |
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...are you seriously expecting me to argue against that? Fine, I THINK
THE WARCRAFT FANS WILL VOTE FOR SONIC BECAUSE SONIC IS BLUE JUST LIKE
THE BLIZZARD DEVELOPERS LOL --- Commit it to memory. |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 7/12/2006 1:15:55 PM | message detail |
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Karma= teh funnnies. --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. CERtified user. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:27:23 PM | message detail |
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Not intending to simply mock it, naturally, but I think that when we
start discussing what the rallied carry-over votes are going to vote
for -- with NO indication whatsoever -- then we're treading into weird
territory just for argument's sake. Hell, nearly all the posts in the rallying topics I saw that were discussing the next round consisted of the posters saying that despite their love for all things Warcraft that they would NEVER vote for it over SMB. SMB was just, in a word, too classic. If anything I would think that sentiment would carry over to the Sonic games than SSB. But it's silly to discuss. --- Commit it to memory. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 1:33:15 PM | message detail |
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It's silly and we have minimal info about how Warcraft fans will vote
between Sonic and SSB, yet, considering how potentially close the match
could be, it's worth thinkin' about now that we've talked about
practically everything else in the match. It's one of those factors that you wish wouldn't have to be worried about, but it very well could be the deciding factor, ya know? --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 1:48:03 PM | message detail |
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I dunno, I'm still reeling over the fact that Sonic seems poised to get
more on DMC than Metal Gear did on Soul Calibur. From where I'm
sitting, Soul Calibur has three games of note: the DC original, SCII,
and SCIII (Soul Edge is negligible I would think). The PS2 only SCIII
has had pitiful sales, and I would think any DMC game would count for
more than it -- even DMC2. I'd think either DMC or DMC3 could handle
the original SC (but probably not DMC2), and that leaves the
multiplatform SCII. It's certainly the biggest of the games, and
introduced it to a lot of Nintendites courtesy of Link. The only thing
that could probably hang with it is the original DMC, and that's being
generous to the original. ...of course, this all comes before considering that GameFAQs really doesn't give a rat's ass about fighting games not named SSBM (and both fans of it and fighting game fans are quick to say it isn't one), which puts SC at the disadvantage against DMC. Then there's also my original perceptions -- before SpC2k4, how many people would have even given DMC v. SC a second thought (besides Janus, of course)? Metal Gear would have been considered a FAR better match for SSB by this board had SSB been placed in its division. I still doubt a majority would have had Metal Gear win (lol Board 8), but the consensus would not have been to the extreme degree that SSB > Sonic was. --- Commit it to memory. |