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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 311
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| yoblazer33 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:42:34 AM | message detail |
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Sure doesn't. --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:43:20 AM | message detail |
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I don't know why, but I have a feeling SSB is going to bomb tomorrow. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| voltch | Posted 7/12/2006 12:43:50 AM | message detail |
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so dante and virgil are against knuckles/shadow/sonic? shadow or knuckles would have been enough for that pic. --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 12:47:48 AM | message detail |
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As long as DQ doesn't break something ridiculous, like, say, 40%, then
I'm not going to worry about what SSB gets tomorrow. To me, it'll all
be a sign of what DQ can do instead of SSB. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 12:49:09 AM | message detail |
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Sonic is a threat to Metal Gear, and I think Castlevania is too. The
old school series are doing way better than I'd expect at least, but I
know they'll be taking over now. Metal Gear does have old school games -- the series started back in 1987 -- and the NES Metal Gear actually saw quite a bit of success, even if it was just a crappy port. Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 : Solid Snake are both on the Subsistence version of MGS3, too. There is some truth to old school series performing better, but I cannot say it is solely because of its age. If it were, SMB would have just as much of a chance to win as Final Fantasy or Zelda, if not moreso. Metal Gear also has the benefit of spanning quite a few systems (NES, PC, PS1, PS2, Xbox, GBC, GCN, PSP) -- the series has appeared on other systems, but those are non-factors -- and Solid Snake is already starting to get in the face of all kinds of Nintendo fanboys thanks to SSBB. I wouldn't really say that Castlevania has any big advantage over Metal Gear at all. It's pretty clear that the Konami fanbase, no matter how big or small, prefer Metal Gear over Castlevania by quite a bit. I really wouldn't say it is much of a threat, if any, to Metal Gear solely based on age. You'll need much more of an argument than that to start saying it's a threat. Hell, even with Sonic's performance today, I probably wouldn't give a second thought to taking Metal Gear over the Blue Hedgehog's series. It'd be pretty close, admittedly, but I couldn't see Metal Gear losing that one. Pretty similar to Metal Gear/Metroid, except I think Metal Gear wins by more there ... dunno why, really. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 12:50:33 AM | message detail |
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Well, we assumed people were gonna vote one way, we were clearly wrong.
Would you rather us just stubbornly stick to our old theories,
yoblazer? None of us really knew how people would vote. Castlevania/Halo was enough for me. It convinced me that Sonic/DMC had lost me a point, but I figured I'd just stick to my sinking ship. Sonic/DMC is only reassuring this. And Metal Gear has no old school cred to be feared, by the way. Token at best. Metal Gear!? Ha... if it ain't Solid, it can go home. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:51:28 AM | message detail |
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Well, I'm actually hoping SSB bombs since I have Sonic > SSB <_< --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 12:53:03 AM | message detail |
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Metal Gear > Pong! OLD SCHOOL CRED, YO! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| SSFSX17 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:53:25 AM | message detail |
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Wow, the contest discussion has surprisingly few flames compared to previous years. I guess all of us GameFAQs users finally got tired of it. --- "People are easily amused by quotes." - Some guy with a cool-sounding name. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 12:59:30 AM | message detail |
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What do we have to say that Metal Gear is massively preferred to
Castlevania, though? Is there some sort of "best Konami series" poll
out there in which Castlevania gets thrashed
by Metal Gear? Higher top 100 list placement? Halo had that too. Better
looking games in the Best Game Ever contest? Halo had that too! Castlevania spans more systems than Metal Gear, and has alot more games and true age to back it up. I'm also thinking 55% on Halo looks about as good as the 70% on Soul Calibur... but that's really debatable. Until I'm proven wrong, my new stance on the contest is "old school for life!". Let's see how that works out... heh heh. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 1:04:52 AM | message detail |
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Konami is far more diverse than Nintendo and Square. there isn't going
to be SFF in a MG-Castlevania matchup just because they're the same
company. come on now, there's literally nothing that's similar between
the two series'. the only argument you could make is that MGS and SOTN
are both on the PS1, and that has nothing to do with who made the game
anyways. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 1:05:55 AM | message detail |
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What do we have to say that Metal Gear is massively preferred to
Castlevania, though? Is there some sort of "best Konami series" poll
out there in which Castlevania gets thrashed by Metal Gear? Actually ... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453 Higher top 100 list placement? Halo had that too. Better looking games in the Best Game Ever contest? Halo had that too! Metal Gear Solid does indeed place higher than Castlevania on the Top 100 list. It also has all three of its Solid games crack the Top 50. As for the Games Contest, there was reason enough for Halo to be overrated; Metal Gear Solid was underrated. Quite a difference there, and using the same type of logic, SMB is going to beating Final Fantasy. FF has higher games in the Top 100 list? Halo had that too. Better looking games in the Best Game Ever Contest? Halo had that too! Castlevania spans more systems than Metal Gear, and has alot more games and true age to back it up. I'm also thinking 55% on Halo looks about as good as the 70% on Soul Calibur... but that's really debatable. Castlevania spans more systems than almost any franchise -- that does not mean it's going to win anything. You're getting really extreme with the age thing. Is Dragon Quest going to win tomorrow based off of being far older and spanning far more systems? Nope! And I disagree completely on 55% on Halo being equally as impressive as 70% on Metal Gear. Neither result was expected by many people, but yeah ... Until I'm proven wrong, my new stance on the contest is "old school for life!". Let's see how that works out... heh heh. About as well as most extreme stances do -- they don't. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 1:09:41 AM | message detail |
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Konami is far more diverse than Nintendo and Square. there isn't
going to be SFF in a MG-Castlevania matchup just because they're the
same company. come on now, there's literally nothing that's similar
between the two series'. the only argument you could make is that MGS
and SOTN are both on the PS1, and that has nothing to do with who made
the game anyways. There is no similiarity between MGS and FFVII either, but the SFF occurs in those matches. There is nothing at all similar about OoT and Goldeney, but SFF occurs. There is nothing even remotely similar about Snake and Sora ... but the SFF occurs. The only thing these things share with each other is that they appear on the same console as each other. That is really all you need to have some sort of potential SFF, apparently. I'm not trying to say that there will be huge SFF in the potential matchup, but if we are entertaining the idea of all these other SFF matches, such as LoZ/MMX, then there is no reason to find it crazy that MG/CV could very well occur, too. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 7/12/2006 1:11:59 AM | message detail |
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I agree with the greatest, most loyal Metal Gear fanboy of all time. If
you share the same console, the chance for sharing a similar fanbase is
increased. --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 1:12:03 AM | message detail |
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And I cannot believe I'm actually arguing with someone about Metal Gear and Castlevania ... << --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 1:16:28 AM | message detail |
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I'm not trying to say that there will be huge SFF in the potential
matchup, but if we are entertaining the idea of all these other SFF
matches, such as LoZ/MMX, then there is no reason to find it crazy that
MG/CV could very well occur, too. as I said, the only SFF that could happen is because of them sharing a system. it's not going to be because they share developers. I don't think MGS is strong enough to SFF the entire console like FF7 is, anyway. (and you'd agree with me if this was a year ago! not to mention that MG would be losing in the first round or something!) --- xyzzy |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 7/12/2006 1:17:49 AM | message detail |
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If this contest were held in 2005, it would be Halo over Metal Gear in the division finals, yo. *writes 3,000 word analysis for exactly why that would happen* --- Board 8: Where people treat each other right. |
| voltch | Posted 7/12/2006 1:18:58 AM | message detail |
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so DQ vs SO? who would win that? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| transience | Posted 7/12/2006 1:19:39 AM | message detail |
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DQ whips SO. no question there. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 1:23:55 AM | message detail |
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as I said, the only SFF that could happen is because of them sharing
a system. it's not going to be because they share developers. I don't
think MGS is strong enough to SFF the entire console like FF7 is,
anyway. Perhaps "Konami fanbase" was not exactly the right choice of words there. I do not think you have a huge split between Castlevania and Metal Gear -- both series probably share a number of fans. Konami is probably not held in high enough regard here that something like Nintendo or Square would, so the company SFF would probably be lesser in this case. Still, I cannot see people who like both choosing Castlevania over Metal Gear. Metal Gear still reaches the same similar "fanbases" that Castlevania hits. Castlevania spans far more systems, sure, but Metal Gear does make its appearance on all the big ones. Hell, I don't even think there will be much SFF. But I also doubt the match would even be remotely close. (and you'd agree with me if this was a year ago! not to mention that MG would be losing in the first round or something!) I have no clue what you're talking about!!! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 1:26:13 AM | message detail |
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so DQ vs SO? who would win that? DQ, easily. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 1:31:28 AM | message detail |
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Dairy Queen would win that. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 1:32:43 AM | message detail |
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That Konami poll doesn't ensure a Metal Gear beatdown I
wouldn't say. They both did pretty respectably, there. Castlevania can
turn that number around easily enough. On Dragon Quest... Dragon Quest may not even draw many votes from Dragon Warrior, because of the name problems. And those old games... especially the ones that weren't the original DW... they weren't much higher than that of the original Metal Gear when it comes to popularity levels. I know you weren't even being serious, but yeah. I'm not really going to humor the rest of the points, I don't feel like getting into a debate about it. I'm just saying that win or lose, Castlevania will surprise in that match. The warning signs are there. Recent series are flopping left and right... and I'd call Metal Gear a more recent series as far as its popularity goes. but Metal Gear does make its appearance on all the big ones. Not really. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Metal Gear has been on the NES, PS, PSP, GC, X-Box and PS2? How can you say this is all the big ones? There is a serious lack of anything to speak of from the SNES era, or any real portable support either. And I'll say it again, I doubt the popularity of the NES games. I will say this. Were Metal Gear Solid 1 released for the PS2 instead of the PS1 I'd be calling this for Castlevania right now. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 1:40:22 AM | message detail |
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And by the rest of the points, I just mean stuff like "Metal Gear being
underrated", "Halo being overrated"... stuff like that. It's all stuff
we've gone over before. I didn't mean to sound condescending. Er... has = only in that last sentence! --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 2:06:35 AM | message detail |
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That Konami poll doesn't ensure a Metal Gear beatdown I wouldn't
say. They both did pretty respectably, there. Castlevania can turn that
number around easily enough. It does not at all mean anything positive for Castlevania though. It got beat down pretty hard in that poll -- and that's when it is taking the entire series into consideration. The options even appear how they will in the poll "Metal Gear v. Castlevania." And that poll took place in 2003, so vote totals and all that jazz are not completely out of date and irrelevant. To top it all off, I don't know what big release that Castlevania has had since then that Metal Gear Solid 3 cannot handle itself. The biggest game I can recall is Dawn of Sorrow, which is in no way even remotely close to increasing the franchise as a whole as MGS3 would. On Dragon Quest... Dragon Quest may not even draw many votes from Dragon Warrior, because of the name problems. And those old games... especially the ones that weren't the original DW... they weren't much higher than that of the original Metal Gear when it comes to popularity levels. I know you weren't even being serious, but yeah. I really doubt the name difference is going to make much of a difference. It might make it a bit weaker than it could be, but eh, it's nothing I find even remotely notable. And older Castlevania games are not going to be much higher than fodder either. Why would you even think they wouldn't? You have one, maybe two, games from Castlevania that wouldn't be very weak. But that isn't stopping you from thinking it'll do well. I thought this was all about age more than anything? I'm not really going to humor the rest of the points, I don't feel like getting into a debate about it. I'm just saying that win or lose, Castlevania will surprise in that match. The warning signs are there. Recent series are flopping left and right... and I'd call Metal Gear a more recent series as far as its popularity goes. Castlevania isn't going to do anything that surprising in that match. I said in KH's other topic that I would bet my account that Metal Gear wins its division and does not fall beneath 58% against any opponent in the process. That holds truth whether it's KH or CV. This whole deal with "recent series flopping" applies to what? Halo? People overestimating Grand Theft Auto and underestimating the rally potential? That does not mean anything about recent series completely flopping. You want to note Kingdom Hearts and I'll just say that it did well enough to gather 80,000 individual votes and that it rarely puts up a big blowout. I mean, really, people are getting out of hand with the whole "recent series = failure" deal. There is more to a series strength than age and more to a series weakness than recency. You'd do well to remember that. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 2:06:43 AM | message detail |
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Not really. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Metal Gear has been
on the NES, PS, PSP, GC, X-Box and PS2? How can you say this is all the
big ones? There is a serious lack of anything to speak of from the SNES
era, or any real portable support either. And I'll say it again, I
doubt the popularity of the NES games. The SNES is the only system it really lacks a game on. Castlevania's notable game there was SCIV, so it does have an advantage there ... but it is not like it makes any difference at all. Metal Gear is far more popular than anything and everything Castlevania related. It does not fall under the "two games in a series" deal that these other series have. It did not begin its popularity this generation. Metal Gear Solid was a huge success back in 1998, it continued that success in 2001 with MGS2, and once again did it in 2004. There is a long line of success with the Metal Gear franchise, dating as far back as 1988. And Metal Gear on the NES was a popular game. Sure, it pales in comparison to Metal Gear Solid, but that does not take away from its own popularity and what it contributes to the franchise. Metal Gear on the NES sold over a million copies. The series did have popularity prior to MGS -- it just wasn't the massive success it was post-MGS. As for the handheld deal, Metal Gear : Ghost Babel was on the Game Boy Color. I will say this. Were Metal Gear Solid 1 released for the PS2 instead of the PS1 I'd be calling this for Castlevania right now. Because you have been burned so hard that you are working in a ridiculous extreme. I hope this deals more with Halo and not Devil May Cry. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2006 2:31:11 AM | message detail |
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...crap. I just now realized that the poll not catching the last update has royally ****ed my stats. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2006 2:50:14 AM | message detail |
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It's every damn match, too. Figures. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 2:51:36 AM | message detail |
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This match is almost on pace with Castlevania/Halo right now. I'd
assume the Warcraft rallying helped CJay get some more traffic here.
Even higher votals? Alright! Or maybe this is just an anticipated
match... who knows... it should be. This whole deal with "recent series flopping" applies to what? Halo? People overestimating Grand Theft Auto and underestimating the rally potential? And why did we overestimate Grand Theft Auto? Why did we overestimate Halo? Aside from Metal Gear Solid (a big factor, yes), the series had pretty much the same strengths that MGS did. Popular releases, exclusively on current generation systems, good showings in recent GotY polls, good showings on the top 100 list, good X-Stat positions in the game contest. I'm not seeing how you could not see any connection there. I just know you're going to say "wow, but Zelda and FF and Mario have these strengths too!". But it's not the same thing. Metal Gear is much more similar to Halo or GTA than it is to FF or Zelda in its situation. Halo, GTA, Soul Calibur...possibly KH though I agree we shouldn't read too far into it... and yes, DMC right now. You people may not have expected it (or SC) to win, but this % it's getting is still notably lower than what you expected. Not a huge sample... but recent series have been 0-4... 0-5 right now on the flopping game? Not looking good. You have one, maybe two, games from Castlevania that wouldn't be very weak I might go with three, but basically, yeah, I agree. But, how many do you have from Metal Gear? 3. How about Sonic? I wouldn't think more than 4 or 5... I'd personally have gone with 3 truly notables there as well. Most series don't have that many more huge games than this, when you really think about it. The series did have popularity prior to MGS -- it just wasn't the massive success it was post-MGS. Pre MGS Metal Gear isn't completely nothing, but it is weak. I'd take any Castlevania game of note over any of them, without thinking twice. It's not going to draw much of anything from those games, and I think what little it tries to draw would be all but SFFed away by the more popular NES Castlevania titles. And come on... Ghost Babel? --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| TheIceman84 | Posted 7/12/2006 2:53:26 AM | message detail |
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*Obligatory "Perfect Bracket" bragging post* --- ~~Iceman~~ I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't pretty. |
| TheIceman84 | Posted 7/12/2006 2:54:29 AM | message detail |
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To be immediately followed by the: *I'm such a dumbass I forgot to fill in the tiebreaker post* --- ~~Iceman~~ I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't pretty. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 7/12/2006 3:00:01 AM | message detail |
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Dammit, GTA X_X Meh. Ii can at least be made somewhat happier by a big Sonic win today. Let's see if he can threaten SSB with this win !! --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz I admire MYC, for he is the pinnacle of human wit, poise, and beauty. |
| ChaosTonyV4 | Posted 7/12/2006 3:05:52 AM | message detail |
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17 pages and I'm the first to point out it's topic 311? --- "Official Target of Mod Hatred" ChaosTony alannastar82:my mother is yelling at me to get off |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 7/12/2006 3:06:14 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453 Yu-Gi-Oh beat Silent Hill in that poll. Lawl. NOT SO FAST, PYRAMID HEAD! YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD! --- People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3. - Peter Moore |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2006 3:09:25 AM | message detail |
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Thank God for find/replace. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| TheIceman84 | Posted 7/12/2006 3:09:31 AM | message detail |
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17 pages and I'm the first to point out it's topic 311? Tranny covered the WTF? factor in his first post. --- ~~Iceman~~ I'm the best at what I do. And what I do isn't pretty. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2006 3:10:29 AM | message detail |
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This is our first match in which a character on the banner will lose. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 3:12:53 AM | message detail |
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Well it had to happen here... either way. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| capatillistpiglet | Posted 7/12/2006 3:13:11 AM | message detail |
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And his head is as big as Link's on the banner as well o_0 --- Hay, my message and sig have been swapped around. Best. Series. Ever. Score: 9/10 Today's Pick: Sonic |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 3:17:23 AM | message detail |
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And why did we overestimate Grand Theft Auto? Why did we
overestimate Halo? Aside from Metal Gear Solid (a big factor, yes), the
series had pretty much the same strengths that MGS did. Popular
releases, exclusively on current generation systems, good showings in
recent GotY polls, good showings on the top 100 list, good X-Stat
positions in the game contest. From what I recall of the arguments, everything always went back to those completely unreliable Game of the Year polls. I know more often than not there was some reference to how San Andreas performed in those polls as evidence enough that Grand Theft Auto has a fanbase on this site. Grand Theft Auto in a contest environment has not been nearly as successful as people were making it seem. Of course, while there was GTA overestimation, there was also Warcraft underestimation involved, too. Rallying was a big factor in yesterday's match -- no doubt about it. It was not as though Grand Theft Auto got beaten down badly; rather, it just not meet the already high expectations of 60%+. I never even called for something that high because rallying and potential cheating is always factored into a Blizzard entry. Grand Theft Auto was no doubt unimpressive yesterday, but I would wager most of what happened yesterday was due to Warcraft underestimation. You still had people who correctly predicted that match. Grand Theft Auto hardly had the contest success that it was made out to be having. And my feelings on The List are ... well ... I usually don't like to acknowledge it, whether it is for or against my argument. And yes, Metal Gear Solid is a huge factor because it came out during the PSX era. It was during the same year as Ocarina of Time and only a year after Final Fantasy VII. I do not seeing anyone doubting what those two particular games can do nor their franchises. In fact, what Final Fantasy games do you think are likely to do the best? Older Final Fantasy games or newer Final Fantasy games? I think you'd be nutty to suggest older Final Fantasy games. There is some connection between Metal Gear and the more recent series, but that hardly means a thing. What reason is there for us to suspect that Castlevania of all series is capable of taking out Metal Gear? Nothing has ever given us the implication that such a thing is even possible. You can throw all the matches we have had so far at me all you want, but none of those has implied anything like that. Metal Gear is not anywhere near the same situation as Halo or Grand Theft Auto. It is not limited to one console that is not even that preferred here to begin with nor did it only get its popularity from the current generation. The "connections" you want to make between Metal Gear and any other franchise can very well be applied to other series as well. The only argument you are even making is that recent series has flopped and Castlevania has age working its in favor. Those are not remotely good enough points to suggest that Metal Gear is in any type of danger. Regardless of what you want to recognize, Metal Gear did start back in 1987 and it was popular. It was not as popular as Metal Gear Solid, but very few things are to begin with. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 3:17:31 AM | message detail |
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The amount of games you have in your series is being completely blown out of proportion. It matters how popular these games are and how well they combine into a franchise. You mentioned Metal Gear having three
popular games, but those are three of the most popular games at this
site. You're combining those games into a single entity, along with the
lesser spin-offs and old Metal Gear games back in the 80s, and letting
the voters vote. With one match come and gone, you could hardly call
Metal Gear unimpressive after it put up 70% on Soul Calibur. I see absolutely no reason for Castlevania to be viewed as a threat to Metal Gear. None. You have become almost as paranoid of getting burned as those who pick a Blizzard entry almost regardless of opponent just so that they don't suffer from another StarCraft deal. It is understandable why Castlevania would beat Halo. We have seen signs of games through StarCraft being overrated, Halo included. We have seen signs of the "series" being taken more into consideration. How any of that spells bad things for Metal Gear is beyond me. Bah. You are working an an absurd extreme. It is almost too much of an extreme for me to even bother acknowledging. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/12/2006 3:18:09 AM | message detail |
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Sonic is doing pretty ok right now ^_^ --- 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d |
| SagaNewbie | Posted 7/12/2006 3:30:48 AM | message detail |
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w00t in top 50 for first time ever, debuting at number 30 :p. Yeah for 1800 perfects picking gta over warcraft. I am so going to get owned though in the 2nd round. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 3:34:23 AM | message detail |
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Bah. You are working an an absurd extreme. It is almost too much of an extreme for me to even bother acknowledging. You know the really funny thing here? I'm not being nearly as "paranoid" as you're thinking. I'd have guessed Halo to get 45% on Metal Gear before the contest started. I'm not suddenly saying Metal Gear is going to out and collapse because it's "recent", I just never thought Metal Gear was the absurdly strong beast you're making it out to be in the first place. 4th strongest on the site? Maybe. But in no way a threat to 1-3, and in no way leaps and bounds ahead of the rest. I think you're over-interpreting how much importance I'm putting on this recency/old-school thing. With all of these "old school upsets" I've been calling for as of late, I honestly imagined the match being at least close in the first place. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/12/2006 3:44:33 AM | message detail |
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I don't get all the talk of GTA tanking. On the "Most Impressive Losers" list, GTA's performance ranks fourth all-time. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 3:47:34 AM | message detail |
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In fact, looking at it more, Halo is far different from Metal Gear in almost every way imaginable. Halo had its first game debut in 2001 on the Xbox and its second in 2004. Halo appears exclusively on a system that the majority of GameFAQs does not even own. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2302 61.06% do not even own an original Xbox -- 56.27% do not own an Xbox of any kind according to the poll. That is overwhelmingly negative for Halo considering it is limited to only one console. The fact that it only has two games in its series combined with the lack of ownership and the fact that you pretty much have to won a Xbox to play Halo is a big hit against it. Things don't get better when you start to take into account that it was overrated in 2004 against StarCraft. But moving away from that, let's look at how many people own Halo : Combat Evolved itself. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2178 52.05% do not own Halo : Combat Evolved, be it PC or Xbox. The majority of the voters in that poll voted "No" along with a lack of interest or it not being their type of game. Not only is Halo limited to one platform that GameFAQs has no interest in, but it also does not have a good ownership percentage. Keeping in mind that this is a series contest and it is going up against an established, respected series like Castlevania. And as for its sequel ... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1816 55.49% said they had absolutely no interest in buying Halo 2 even during the time it was hyped beyond all imagination. Halo and Halo 2 can perform well all they want on the Top 100 List, but that is far from a good indicator of things. It can still have strength with what people do like the series and own the games here, but it hardly has much of a chance against something that undoubtedly has plenty of fans and spans so many different consoles and fanbases. I should not even have to bother with Metal Gear. The fact it spans both the PS1 and PS2, two of the most owned consoles at this site, should give you a good idea of how many people have played it here. Metal Gear Solid has an obscenely good play percentage, according to the most recent poll at least. Metal Gear has appeared on the GameCube to appeal to Nintendo fans, it has been established for nearly two decades now, and it has a clear presence on other consoles outside of the PlayStation brand, even if they're the most popular on those systems. Metal Gear is not limited to one console and one fanbase that rests in the minority. It appears on the console most GameFAQs visitors own. But yeah ... And as for the original Metal Gear, since we did have a recent poll ... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2421 41.56% of GameFAQs voters have played the original Metal Gear, whether it was on the MSX, NES, or through emulation. I know we have already seen it in action against SMB3, but yeah. There was reason enough for Halo not to beat Castlevania, even if the majority of us here did not see it. Halo is much more of an individual case over the rule. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/12/2006 3:54:43 AM | message detail |
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You know the really funny thing here? I'm not being nearly as
"paranoid" as you're thinking. I'd have guessed Halo to get 45% on
Metal Gear before the contest started. I'm not suddenly saying Metal
Gear is going to out and collapse because it's "recent", I just never
thought Metal Gear was the absurdly strong beast you're making it out
to be in the first place. 4th strongest on the site? Maybe. But in no
way a threat to 1-3, and in no way leaps and bounds ahead of the rest. I would have never really suspected that Metal Gear would have been a big threat to the Big Three. Final Fantasy, The Legend of Zelda, and Super Mario Bros. are indeed above Metal Gear by quite an amount. I do think that it's possible for Metal Gear to get nearly 40% on The Legend of Zelda, even if that may not be a popular opinion. I really am not trying to make it out to be that strong of a beast, or at least I'm not intentionally trying to. I have been saying from the beginning that Metal Gear would place as the fourth strongest series, even argued with mnm repeatedly about Metal Gear v. GTA/SSB. I never would have guessed that Metal Gear is on its own tier -- not quite Big Three, but clearly above everything else. That said, I do not expect it to be challenged by anything in its division. I think you're over-interpreting how much importance I'm putting on this recency/old-school thing. With all of these "old school upsets" I've been calling for as of late, I honestly imagined the match being at least close in the first place. It just seemed like your entire argument for this thing was that recent games have sucked, Metal Gear is more recent, and Castlevania is old, so the threat is there. That's ... not something I'm willing to put any sort of backing behind. GTA was still not that bad of a loser, even if it was unimpressive. I don't think it has a chance of being the fourth strongest series anymore, but it certainly is not going to get beat by the lesser series in this contest. We have gone from "series as strong as its strongest game" (a stupid extreme) to "how old the series is" (another stupid extreme). There is truth in both of those ideas. I would love to hear people's opinions on Chrono, a series with only a couple of games, but technically "old school." --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 4:05:52 AM | message detail |
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I don't get all the talk of GTA tanking. On the "Most Impressive Losers" list, GTA's performance ranks fourth all-time. Well: Most Impressive Losers (by vote total) Summer 2003 - Final Four - (1) Link - 71438 Summer 2003 - South Round 3 - (4) Crono - 66434 Summer 2002 - North Round 4 - (2) Cloud - 64713 July 2006 - Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto - 63051 Summer 2004 - Finals - (1) Cloud - 59910 Summer 2003 - Finals - (2) Sephiroth - 59865 Summer 2003 - North Round 1 - (5) Tidus - 57078 Summer 2005 - Tournament of Champions Semifinal - (2) Cloud - 56724 Spring 2004 - Division 128 Round 1 - (1) Halo: Combat Evolved - 56258 Summer 2003 - West Round 4 - (1) Solid Snake - 55322 High draws, yes, but two high-drawing midcarders are just that. The fact that it is certainly at this point not the 4th strongest series is a slap in the face to many analysts. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 4:10:15 AM | message detail |
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The Halo numbers aren't completely awful. You ask how many of GameFAQs owns MGS2 or MGS3, and I doubt you're going to get too
far above a 50% ownership rate either. To me, this just looks like
hindsight bias talking. It's easy to pull out plenty of warning signs
after the deed is done, for pretty much anything, but did you? My main argument for Castlevania is the exposure advantage it has. That's really all the advantage it does have. But is it really that disadvantaged in the other categories? Castlevania: Symphony of the Night is pretty popular here. Not quite a Metal Gear Solid, but close enough to it. The gameboy games have also looked decent enough in polls, and I think they're being underestimated. And the NES/SNES games were easily more popular than any pre MGS Metal Gear game. Not "elite game" material, but I don't think it does them justice to just ignore them like I had been. I'd take any NES Castlevania over probably a good three quarters of Division 8. I don't want to downplay what I'm saying too much. I do think that the age and iconic status is pretty bloody important now from what we've been seeing, but it's not as if I'm flipping out and calling a 50-50 match where I'd originally had seen a 70-30. There's not much I can argue for this. We'll just have to wait and see. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/12/2006 4:13:31 AM | message detail |
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Uh, maybe you guys should wait and see if Castlevania can get past Kingdom Hearts before setting its sights on Metal Gear... ...silly Lopen! --- Commit it to memory. |