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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 311

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:26:47 PM | message detail
I don't need your pity! Well, it's appreciated...but money would be better! Or delicious brains...

And, uh, I know there's still a drastic split, but FFIV (FFII US) got #50 on the list. Yeah, FFIV is still an entire different animal than FF1, but it's *more* similar at least...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:36:12 PM | message detail
There we go. Sonic increased its percentage for the first time in a little while.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/11/2006 10:36:24 PM | message detail
On Sonic vs. SSB: I'm really wishing I'd trusted my instincts right now. Originally I treated Sonic > SSB as a no-brainer, but a couple hours on the board convinced me to change my pick. I also convinced myself to have Castlevania not winning it's fourpack, which was unfortunate. Still, ever since I changed to SSB > Sonic, I've argued that that match is the toughest in the bracket. Both series have great arguments in their favor, and Sonic's looking better than ever now. Let's just hope that it doesn't get SFF'd by SMB so we can see if it truly is #4 in the bracket.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:37:10 PM | message detail
I'd imagine that whoever wins Sonic/SSB is in for an SFF beatdown, unfortunately.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:38:00 PM | message detail
And it's odd that, even though I prefer SMB as a series, I'd probably be rooting (and voting) for Sonic in that match. Perhaps it's the underdog mentality.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:39:07 PM | message detail
Well, duh. I prefer Mario to Sonic, prefer SMB to the Sonic series, and I'll be voting for Sonic if either of them happen.

Although it's more a mentality of Sonic never getting a break in these things than anything else... =(
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creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 10:40:35 PM | message detail
I agree with those who think Dragon Quest would give DMC something of a challenge (say, 60/40 maybe? tough to say but it wouldn't be a blowout).

I think Dragon Quest would be of somewhat comparable strength based on respect alone. (not to mention DQ VIII doing decent, and being a FAQ-type game as well)

I don't expect SSB to do that much better on Dragon Quest than Sonic is today on DMC. But I don't think that will be a sign that SSB is going to lose.

I think Sonic vs. SSB is tough but unless SSB terribly underperforms I don't think the next match will tell us much.

Mario World / FF10?
Sonic 3&K / Vice City?
Mario 1 / Kingdom Hearts?


Mario World would beat FFX, and Mario 1 couldn't possibly lose to Kingdom Hearts. That would be total destruction.

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therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 10:41:36 PM | message detail
I'd vote for Sonic over everything in this contest. I actually HOPE it beats SSB...
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creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 10:42:35 PM | message detail
Course if SSB totally smashes DQ with close to 85% I'd have to say Sonic is doomed. But I don't think that will happen.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 10:42:51 PM | message detail
Let's just hope that it doesn't get SFF'd by SMB so we can see if it truly is #4 in the bracket.

I doubt it's fourth in the bracket, but it's almost guaranteed to get some type of SFF beating when it faces SMB.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:42:57 PM | message detail
That's a *lot* of faith in the Mario games...essentially saying that SMW alone would go 50/50 with SSBM...maybe SFF would give it the edge it needed in a direct matchup, but indirectly I think the gap is simply too wide.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:43:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, if it gets 80% or better, I'd say SSB has got it wrapped up, but with the way series like it have been performing, I can't see it.

But of course, I expect everyone to say that it's the exception, not the rule.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:45:55 PM | message detail
Please, SSB getting an obscene number on DQ wouldn't phase me in the slightest. I've got a bit of doubt and concern after hearing some arguments (oh, and how well those have served me so far, eh), but if it turns out to be just plain jobber fodder I won't be phased in the slightest.

I'm on the other end -- if SSB goes out and does less than 65% on DQ, I'll be right there calling Sonic the favorite without a hint of doubt. But most others will probably just argue DQ was underestimated.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 10:46:06 PM | message detail
People keep relating Sonic/SSB as another battle of new-school VS old-school (which it is) since CV/Halo and are thinking SSB's automatically on-par with Halo and Sonic's automatically on-par with CV -- yeah, I said it. However, there are some key differences here that people are forgetting or disagreeing with that I want to point out.

---> Yes, like Halo, SSB is a two-game pony. However, SSBM is bigger here than either Halo game, and at least both of its games aren't confined to the same system.
---> Yes, like Halo, SSB is one of the newer series in the contest. However, SSB still has two years on Halo as far as its series' ages go.
---> Some people would like to mention hype for Halo 3 helping it out, and so I would like to remind everybody who says such that SSBB will be featuring Solid Snake, so promptly shut the **** up if you think Halo 3 hype is bigger here than SSBB hype.
---> SSB is from Nintendo, likely the most loved company on this site. Halo is from Microsoft, likely the second-most hated company on this site (only behind EA).
---> Yes, Sonic is a vast series. However, Castlevania is as well, and its biggest game is bigger than Sonic's biggest game.
---> Yes, Sonic is one of the older series in the contest. However, Castlevania is older than the Sonic series by four years. CV also has games on eleven major systems, whereas Sonic has had games on eight major systems.
---> Castlevania seems to have more of a following with its newer games than Sonic does with its newer games.
---> Though this doesn't mean much at all, this poll doesn't help Sonic in comparison to Castlevania, say, if they faced off against each other -- tiny intangible, we'll say, but I saw it:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1815


Due to Sonic having several well-remembered titles that would surely outdo Castlevania's other titles not named C:SotN, I'd still take Sonic > CV...but I also still maintain CV would never be given enough credit against Sonic until the match actually happened. Add to it that anybody who would take Halo > SSB is crazy now, especially since it's all but official that Starcraft over-rated its opponents, and I'm totally fine with Sonic kick DMC's ass here (believe it or not, I really like the Sonic series).
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:47:58 PM | message detail
Some people would like to mention hype for Halo 3 helping it out

Point those people out so I can smack them.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:48:26 PM | message detail
Sega is basically being fueled by Sonic in that poll. Konami is *not* being fueled by Castlevania...it's being driven by Metal Gear (though I know Castlevania makes up a sizable portion).
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:49:46 PM | message detail
Also, I've got to ask why you would point out THAT poll, of all polls to choose, considering EA and "None of the above" beat both of them out.
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Canadian Carnage | Posted 7/11/2006 10:51:18 PM | message detail
I dont see DQ winning... not enough people have played the game period for it to win. Sure, I like the DQ series, but Im no fool, SSB will win.

SSB and Sonic shall be close though, you have 2 well played series there.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:51:37 PM | message detail
And as KH mentioned, I would also vote Konami before I voted Sega, but for Metal Gear, not Castlevania.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:51:51 PM | message detail
Hey, it did! DAMMIT, Madden > Metal Gear and Sonic confirmed. =(

Looks like SMB wins the contest with 82% in the finals. Okay, 79% after SFF. =(
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 10:55:11 PM | message detail
Like others, Konami gets a vote for the Metal Gear series alone, though their other games are still a big part of whey they're oh so amazing.


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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 10:58:52 PM | message detail
Also, I've got to ask why you would point out THAT poll, of all polls to choose, considering EA and "None of the above" beat both of them out.

Pretty simple -- it helps the case that people shouldn't be giving up on SSB right now. I was browsing through and saw that poll, so I threw it in there.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 10:59:47 PM | message detail
...

That poll proves nothing.
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creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 10:59:59 PM | message detail
Many of those reasons Harrich (especially the fact that it's Nintendo, and that it's a major Mario franchise) are why SSB should be the favorite, and I think still is. It just isn't a no-brainer or anything, it is a fairly debatable match.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 11:01:00 PM | message detail
Pretty simple -- it helps the case that people shouldn't be giving up on SSB right now. I was browsing through and saw that poll, so I threw it in there.

What?

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 11:07:02 PM | message detail
At the 2:05 mark, this match has 19753 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

Zelda/Civilization - 17631
Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 18300
Castlevania/Halo - 19619
GTA/Warcraft - 21407
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 11:07:16 PM | message detail
Wow HaRRich, you were on a roll until you posted that poll. Good points though, as it will be interesting to see if SSB:M fares better as a 2 game series because it's Nintendo.

And I'm out, I'll say Sonic dips to near 70% when I wake up.
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Incompetence | Posted 7/11/2006 11:09:57 PM | message detail
Dragon Quest = Star Ocean version 2.0.

SSB needs at least 75% to be a threat against Sonic.

DQ is huge in Japan, but everywhere else it's just another cult RPG; The few DQ games that have been released outside of Japan have all sold like ass.

If SSB can't get at least 75% against DQ, it's going to get an Ulti-style beatdown from Sonic.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 11:12:33 PM | message detail
Yeah, that is the one thing...DQ is another Enix RPG. Now granted, it's *the* Enix RPG, and much more long-running and well-established than Star Ocean...but again, I couldn't imagine it coming close to DMC.

Yeah, yeah, and I would've said the same thing about GTA/Warcraft yesterday -- and so would most everyone. If it happens, it happens. Until then I'm sticking to my guns.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 11:22:08 PM | message detail
Yeesh, the poll was nothing more than "this shouldn't change or reaffirm your decision if nothing else I said didn't already, but it fit the mood of the post and I saw it just before I finished it." Don't take me throwing that in as a final bit as "that's useless, so the rest must be too."

I don't think anybody's really doing that, but I felt like the way I threw the poll in let people know it was easily disregardable (not a word, I know, shut up).
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 11:34:36 PM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: Devil May Cry versus Soul Calibur. Your pick?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 11:35:17 PM | message detail
DMC.

...holy crap.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 11:35:33 PM | message detail
Yeesh, the poll was nothing

Should've ended right there.

Seriously though, if you knew the poll was easily disregardable and nothing definitive, why even mention it? I was honestly expecting some poll actually comparing the two series, not their companies.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 11:35:39 PM | message detail
Soul Calibur.

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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 11:36:25 PM | message detail
Soul Calibur.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 11:36:30 PM | message detail
Maybe I just have a problem with overcompensating against MG this contest or something...but seriously, that was my gut instinct. o.O
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 11:37:09 PM | message detail
Maybe that's because you were never solid on SC being anything that great. =p

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 11:37:46 PM | message detail
Devil May Cry vs. Soul Calibur?

I really don't know.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 11:38:17 PM | message detail
Well, true. I've been arguing against SC since day one, after all...

...DMC/KH 2k4 would actually be a match I would like to see...probably wouldn't stand much of a chance now, though.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 11:40:55 PM | message detail
*wakes up from nightmare*

AHHHH! I just had the worst dream. CJayC posted the Sonic/SSB picture, and it was....Sonic vs. the entire cast of SSBM.

Oh, the horror!

Seriously though, if SSB gets ANOTHER stacked picture and barely wins again...It'd be even worse this time because at least I had SSBM winning last time.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 11:43:07 PM | message detail
I had just seen it, it wasn't old as dirt, and it still fit the general spirit of the post. I made sure to note that it didn't mean much at all, and with that I'm shutting up about it. Re-read the rest of that post twice to make up for seeing the poll then if it's that useless, 'cuz I know the rest were great points.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 11:44:33 PM | message detail
Well, until I see otherwise, I'm not convinced that Smash Brothers is the exception, not the rule.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 11:50:09 PM | message detail
Fair enough -- my post wasn't so much to say SSB's goin' to win as it was that people need to quit jumping the gun on that match because of CV/Halo and DMC getting its ass kicked early on. Sonic's looking good and has a reasonable chance to win (something I don't remember saying before the contest started, actually), but when it's compared to CV/Halo like how I just did, I just don't see why there's all the commotion.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/11/2006 11:58:15 PM | message detail
Hmm... since I doubt anyone here would argue Sonic > Metal Gear, this result implies that Soul Calibur is a good deal stronger than Devil May Cry. Can't say I expected that, but I probably should have.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 7/12/2006 12:17:24 AM | message detail
I'm worried fo SSB now. =/

Also, I'm glad I didn;t listen to the board about WC vs GTA. ;)
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Lopen | Posted 7/12/2006 12:20:35 AM | message detail
Sonic is a threat to Metal Gear, and I think Castlevania is too. The old school series are doing way better than I'd expect at least, but I know they'll be taking over now.

Sonic will be walking over SSB next round. No, this isn't just to make DMC look better !!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 12:22:19 AM | message detail
Nah, I don't see Castlevania being a threat to Metal Gear. It's got enough "old school cred" of its own.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/12/2006 12:25:06 AM | message detail
SC spanned more consoles and is older than DMC, and I would think that they would otherwise be similar in strength...so I'd give it to SC, sure. I just don't think a MG/Sonic match would be so close like I think SC/DMC could be.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/12/2006 12:34:14 AM | message detail
I love how the mentality of the stats topic can change because of only a few matches (no veiled insults here; I do find it fascinating). Before, we were using a series's most popular games as a way to gauge its voter appeal (Halo and Halo 2 > anything Castlevania has). Now, we seem to be using a series's age and credibility (SSB has two years on Halo). Once again, this isn't meant to be sarcastic or insulting in any way. I just find it amazing how quickly and how much things can change.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/12/2006 12:34:58 AM | message detail
It doesn't take much.
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