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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 311

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 9:54:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, DMC over DQ with at *least* 55%, and going that low just makes me think I'm insulting DMC. I realize it's had a recent hit with DQVIII, I know it's a long running series with some moderately impressive polls in the past...but honestly, I can't see it hanging with DMC.
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 9:55:00 PM | message detail
and Bormun beats me by nearly a minute.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 9:55:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, DMC over DQ with at *least* 55%, and going that low just makes me think I'm insulting DMC. I realize it's had a recent hit with DQVIII, I know it's a long running series with some moderately impressive polls in the past...but honestly, I can't see it hanging with DMC.

Exact same feelings.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/11/2006 9:55:45 PM | message detail
*watches poll*

Ugh... stop the contest. I want to get off. >_>
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 9:56:15 PM | message detail
If DMC/DQ had been set up in the bracket, at least 80% of the board would've picked DMC.

Not to say they would be correct, but at first glance, that appears to be DMC's match to lose.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 9:56:26 PM | message detail
WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS?!?!

What's your score, buddy? =D
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/11/2006 9:57:23 PM | message detail
Right now? 8/10.

Tomorrow? 8/11.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/11/2006 9:59:06 PM | message detail
Extremely impressive performance by Sonic...and next gen series (DMC included) are tanking left and right. SSB has to hope that the whole next gen = flop thing doesn't apply to Nintendo.
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 9:59:23 PM | message detail
yep, I'd pick DMC as well - I just don't think that DMC is nearly as strong as people think here. I agree with what mnm said a day or two ago about this match: Sonic beating the hell out of DMC wouldn't really convince me of anything, but DMC getting 40%+ would make me feel very, very confident in SSB > Sonic. this is DMC getting exposed more than Sonic showing true strength. DMC as a series is not close to Dante as a character.
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Tai | Posted 7/11/2006 9:59:38 PM | message detail
*shakes head at GTA cheaters*

Wow..just wow. A dozen? You mean if GTA came back....oh, n/m. :-(
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Sir Bormun | Posted 7/11/2006 9:59:46 PM | message detail
I'd probably have picked DMC too. But assuming that DMC takes out DQ with 55-60% puts SSB with a lot to live up to for tomorrow.

Man. What the hell is up with GameFAQs and this new shift away from current-gen stuff?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 9:59:51 PM | message detail
Dante may have more going for him in terms of character style and appeal than most of the characters in the Summer Contest...but honestly, Snake has even *more* going for him, and I'm not hearing anyone considering taking him over ANY of his games...even the ones that are less popular mainly because he doesn't star in them!

Dante is popular because of DMC. You don't have many outs like you do for long-running established characters like Mega Man or Sonic...he's popular because of DMC.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:02:01 PM | message detail
Man. What is up with GameFAQs and this new shift away from current-gen stuff?

I forget who said this a while ago (I think it was in reference to Sora getting a boost from KHII), but I think it may be correct:

Something new may become popular, but it will be difficult for it to displace old favorites. It has to be VERY good for that to happen.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:02:55 PM | message detail
That's mnm. And his picks contradict that argument WTF??? >.>
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 10:02:56 PM | message detail
I'd take DMC with 60% or over. To be honest, I'm probably underestimating DQ heavily. Hell, I had it crushed by SSB until I got some of the other analyses and lowered my pick.

Yep...thanks guys. =P
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Sonic vs. Devil May Cry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (8/10)
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:03:11 PM | message detail
RECORD UPDATES

Most Popular Polls (by vote total)

Summer 2003 - Final Four - (1) Link [71438] vs (1) Cloud [76199] - 147637
Summer 2003 - South Round 3 - (1) Mario [66571] vs (4) Crono [66434] - 133005
Summer 2002 - North Round 4 - (1) Mario [64990] vs (2) Cloud [64713] - 129703
July 2006 - Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto [63051] vs (5) Warcraft [64167] - 127218
Summer 2003 - Finals - (1) Cloud [64578] vs (2) Sephiroth [59865] - 124443
Summer 2004 - Finals - (1) Link [64443] vs (1) Cloud [59910] - 124353
Summer 2003 - Final Four - (2) Sephiroth [75979] vs (2) Mega Man [48213] - 124192
Summer 2003 - South Round 4 - (1) Mario [47458] vs (2) Sephiroth [76129] - 123587
Summer 2005 - Tournament of Champions Semifinal - (1) Link [62541] vs (2) Cloud [56724] - 119265
Summer 2005 - Tournament of Champions Final - (1) Link [65397] vs (3) Sephiroth [53628] - 119025

Most Impressive Losers (by vote total)

Summer 2003 - Final Four - (1) Link - 71438
Summer 2003 - South Round 3 - (4) Crono - 66434
Summer 2002 - North Round 4 - (2) Cloud - 64713
July 2006 - Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto - 63051
Summer 2004 - Finals - (1) Cloud - 59910
Summer 2003 - Finals - (2) Sephiroth - 59865
Summer 2003 - North Round 1 - (5) Tidus - 57078
Summer 2005 - Tournament of Champions Semifinal - (2) Cloud - 56724
Spring 2004 - Division 128 Round 1 - (1) Halo: Combat Evolved - 56258
Summer 2003 - West Round 4 - (1) Solid Snake - 55322

Worth noting that the next-highest round 1 match was Zelda/Lara from 2003.

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 7/11/2006 10:03:16 PM | message detail
How well did the Devil May Cry games do in the game contest, if any made it in?

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:03:37 PM | message detail
At the 1:00 mark, this match has 12063 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

Zelda/Civilization - 10256
Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 10818
Castlevania/Halo - 11486
GTA/Warcraft - 12400

Heh, not bad.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 10:04:02 PM | message detail
Oh, and given the chance, I would SO switch Sonic > SSB. Just because it seems like the much safer pick now.

God, I'm pathetic.
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Sonic vs. Devil May Cry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (8/10)
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:04:15 PM | message detail
No DMC games made the Game Contest (to be fair the original was the only one viable, and the 32-64 division was STACKED).
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:05:25 PM | message detail
How well did the Devil May Cry games do in the game contest, if any made it in?

None made it in, but the original Devil May Cry placed two spots lower than Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on the Top 100 Games List.

Which either speaks of how worthless that list is in measuring this contest or how much actually being a series with diversity concerning the favorite is. Maybe both.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 7/11/2006 10:06:01 PM | message detail
yeah, this makes me wonder about some game contest matches, particularly between generations:

Mario World / FF10?
Sonic 3&K / Vice City?
Mario 1 / Kingdom Hearts?

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Janus5000 | Posted 7/11/2006 10:06:37 PM | message detail
Worth noting that the next-highest round 1 match was Zelda/Lara from 2003.

Tidus/Ganondorf.

...Or better yet, two days ago.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 10:07:07 PM | message detail
That's mnm. And his picks contradict that argument WTF??? >.>

Huh? What picks do I have that contradict that? I think SSB would qualify as being something VERY good... Other than that, Mario Kart over Mega Man? I don't see how that contradicts it as well...
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:07:19 PM | message detail
Yeah, maybe Division 128 games wouldn't be as dominant (or some Division 8 games so weak) in a mixed Games Contest.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:07:19 PM | message detail
JULY 2006 TOP FIVES

Largest Vote Gaps (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (1) Super Mario Brothers [108512] vs (8) Madden NFL [9168] - 99334
Hyrule Round 1 - (1) The Legend of Zelda [100163] vs (8) Civilization [11169] - 88994
Snake Round 1 - (2) Kingdom Hearts [81729] vs (7) Harvest Moon [30051] - 51678
Hyrule Round 1 - (4) Suikoden [28108] vs (5) Mega Man X [74270] - 46252
Snake Round 1 - (1) Metal Gear [77349] vs (8) Soul Calibur [33321] - 44028

Smallest Vote Gaps (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto [63051] vs (5) Warcraft [64167] - 1116
Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania [61073] vs (6) Halo [49929] - 11144
Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem [57798] vs (5) Silent Hill [43511] - 12487
Hyrule Round 1 - (3) Pokémon [71579] vs (6) Star Ocean [37307] - 34272
Hyrule Round 1 - (2) Metroid [75098] vs (7) Kirby [31312] - 43786

Largest Vote Gaps (by percentage)

Mushroom Round 1 - (1) Super Mario Brothers [92.21%] vs (8) Madden NFL [7.79%] - 84.42%
Hyrule Round 1 - (1) The Legend of Zelda [89.97%] vs (8) Civilization [10.03%] - 79.94%
Snake Round 1 - (2) Kingdom Hearts [73.12%] vs (7) Harvest Moon [26.88%] - 46.24%
Hyrule Round 1 - (4) Suikoden [27.39%] vs (5) Mega Man X [72.61%] - 45.22%
Hyrule Round 1 - (2) Metroid [70.57%] vs (7) Kirby [29.43%] - 41.14%

Smallest Vote Gaps (by percentage)

Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto [49.56%] vs (5) Warcraft [50.44%] - 0.88%
Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania [55.02%] vs (6) Halo [44.98%] - 10.04%
Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem [57.05%] vs (5) Silent Hill [42.95%] - 14.10%
Hyrule Round 1 - (3) Pokémon [65.74%] vs (6) Star Ocean [34.26%] - 31.48%
Snake Round 1 - (1) Metal Gear [69.89%] vs (8) Soul Calibur [30.11%] - 39.78%

Most Popular Polls (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto [63051] vs (5) Warcraft [64167] - 127218
Mushroom Round 1 - (1) Super Mario Brothers [108512] vs (8) Madden NFL [9168] - 117680
Snake Round 1 - (2) Kingdom Hearts [81729] vs (7) Harvest Moon [30051] - 111780
Hyrule Round 1 - (1) The Legend of Zelda [100163] vs (8) Civilization [11169] - 111332
Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania [61073] vs (6) Halo [49929] - 111002

Least Popular Polls (by vote total)

Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem [57798] vs (5) Silent Hill [43511] - 101309
Hyrule Round 1 - (4) Suikoden [28108] vs (5) Mega Man X [74270] - 102288
Hyrule Round 1 - (2) Metroid [75098] vs (7) Kirby [31312] - 106410
Hyrule Round 1 - (3) Pokémon [71579] vs (6) Star Ocean [37307] - 108886
Snake Round 1 - (1) Metal Gear [77349] vs (8) Soul Calibur [33321] - 110670
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:07:30 PM | message detail
Largest Individual Vote Totals (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (1) Super Mario Brothers - 108512
Hyrule Round 1 - (1) The Legend of Zelda - 100163
Snake Round 1 - (2) Kingdom Hearts - 81729
Snake Round 1 - (1) Metal Gear - 77349
Hyrule Round 1 - (2) Metroid - 75098

Smallest Individual Vote Totals (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (8) Madden NFL - 9168
Hyrule Round 1 - (8) Civilization - 11169
Hyrule Round 1 - (4) Suikoden - 28108
Snake Round 1 - (7) Harvest Moon - 30051
Hyrule Round 1 - (7) Kirby - 31312

Least Impressive Winners (by vote total)

Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem - 57798
Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania - 61073
Mushroom Round 1 - (5) Warcraft - 64167
Hyrule Round 1 - (3) Pokémon - 71579
Hyrule Round 1 - (5) Mega Man X - 74270

Most Impressive Losers (by vote total)

Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto - 63051
Snake Round 1 - (6) Halo - 49929
Snake Round 1 - (5) Silent Hill - 43511
Hyrule Round 1 - (6) Star Ocean - 37307
Snake Round 1 - (8) Soul Calibur - 33321

Easiest Matches to Predict (based on percentage of entrants choosing the winner)

Hyrule Round 1 - (1) The Legend of Zelda vs (8) Civilization - 98.15%
Mushroom Round 1 - (1) Super Mario Brothers vs (8) Madden NFL - 96.11%
Snake Round 1 - (2) Kingdom Hearts vs (7) Harvest Moon - 90.3%
Hyrule Round 1 - (2) Metroid vs (7) Kirby - 89.22%
Snake Round 1 - (1) Metal Gear vs (8) Soul Calibur - 88.25%

Hardest Matches to Predict (based on percentage of entrants choosing the winner)

Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania vs (6) Halo - 31.49%
Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto vs (5) Warcraft - 33.94%
Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem vs (5) Silent Hill - 50.65%
Hyrule Round 1 - (4) Suikoden vs (5) Mega Man X - 77.84%
Hyrule Round 1 - (3) Pokémon vs (6) Star Ocean - 83.74%
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:09:00 PM | message detail
Snake Round 1 - (3) Castlevania vs (6) Halo - 31.49%
Mushroom Round 1 - (4) Grand Theft Auto vs (5) Warcraft - 33.94%
Snake Round 1 - (4) Fire Emblem vs (5) Silent Hill - 50.65%


"This bracket's way too predictable!"
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Tai | Posted 7/11/2006 10:09:34 PM | message detail
"This bracket's way too predictable!"

XD
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 10:09:35 PM | message detail
Mario World / FF10?
Sonic 3&K / Vice City?
Mario 1 / Kingdom Hearts?


We need another Games Contest!!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:09:56 PM | message detail
Quiet with your facts, mnm, I'm rambling here.

No DQ games made it on the list except the original Dragon Warrior at #77...but then again, I don't think any of its games were even on the drop-down list. I still *really* doubt it takes DMC though...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:10:04 PM | message detail
Er, whoops.

And yeah, I meant to say excluding this contest so far.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:11:04 PM | message detail
Ulti and the other pseudo-analysts...

Getting lucky a couple of times doesn't make you much of anything else, much in the same way that my winning Sp2k4 doesn't make me any smarter at picking these things than anyone else.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:11:33 PM | message detail
You know, it's interesting to note that 2 of the top 3 most predicted upsets in the BOP have happened so far.

That can only be a good sign for Mario Kart...
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:11:36 PM | message detail
Then why do you have it in your sig?!
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 10:11:57 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure DW1 was on the list. so was FF1 though and it didn't place much higher.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/11/2006 10:12:23 PM | message detail
Mega Man is so screwed
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:13:07 PM | message detail
FF1 had...well, in-series competition for it, though.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:13:37 PM | message detail
From Karma Hunter Posted 7/12/2006 1:11:36 AM #235
Then why do you have it in your sig?!

Can't think of anything better. I don't like quoting people.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:14:54 PM | message detail
Can't think of anything better. I don't like quoting people.


As long as you can admit you have a problem. =D
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 10:15:29 PM | message detail
you think it would have finished significantly higher if there were no other FF games? I love FF1 more than anyone on this board, but I know it's not the most loved thing in the world. DW1 is an archaic and slow game. I still like it, but them's the facts.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 10:15:41 PM | message detail
Getting lucky a couple of times doesn't make you much of anything else, much in the same way that my winning Sp2k4 doesn't make me any smarter at picking these things than anyone else.

Yeah, that's why I hate upsets like GTA/Warcraft. Some of the people flaunting how great they are for calling it are the same ones that have things like SSB > SMB or Halo winning its division...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/11/2006 10:16:03 PM | message detail
You confuse me, KH.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:19:05 PM | message detail
you think it would have finished significantly higher if there were no other FF games? I love FF1 more than anyone on this board, but I know it's not the most loved thing in the world. DW1 is an archaic and slow game. I still like it, but them's the facts.

I certainly do, even if you assume no franchise voting. Playership of the original FF is very high here, and while there is a big -- BIG -- diversity of fanbase among the FF crowd, when you limit it the drop-down list to one game you're essentially doing something similar to Sonic 2 being the only Sonic game on the drop-down list. Unification would be big for it...it could potentially have ended above DMC, and definitely would have beat out things like SoA and Shenmue in my mind...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:19:38 PM | message detail
You confuse me, KH.

*sigh* I've had a rough...er, month.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:20:12 PM | message detail
when you limit it the drop-down list to one game you're essentially doing something similar to Sonic 2 being the only Sonic game on the drop-down list.

...I still don't buy Sonic fans "settling" for it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 10:21:16 PM | message detail
...I still don't buy Sonic fans "settling" for it.

Going by pure anecdote, I 'settled'...if only because I wasn't going to go through the trouble to put down Sonic 3 & Knuckles, a game I was reasonably sure wouldn't get counted.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 10:22:14 PM | message detail
Well, you couldn't put down Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Believe me, I tried.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 7/11/2006 10:23:52 PM | message detail
I agree that Sonic 2 being the only Sonic game helped its cause on the list, but that's because Sonic 3 is so similar so they're bound to draw votes away from each other. I don't see FF1 as being like that. most FF fans here are fans of 6 and up. they may vote for FF because it's got the name on it, but the original has a drastically different fanbase than the FF7's and FF10's of the world. I don't think them being eliminated from the list helps FF1 out all that much. a little, yes, but it's not suddenly in the top 30.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/11/2006 10:25:02 PM | message detail
*sigh* I've had a rough...er, month.

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