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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 311
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| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/11/2006 8:20:45 PM | message detail |
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I... hate to say this, but it's actually possible that rallying made a
significant difference in the vote totals... There was a rallying topic
that got over 20,000 views: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9013850&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard That's... more views than I would have ever expected. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Yesmar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:21:45 PM | message detail |
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Well, today's results are certainly odd. In regards to the "legacy" and number of games in both series: GTA has more games. Although Warcraft has been around longer, it's not by much, and although the first two Warcraft games probably have more of a reputation than the first 3 GTA games, the brunt of their popularity comes from the current generation which GTA PWNs Warcraft in. In regards to their popularity on GameFAQS, nothing at all has pointed towards this result. In virtually every possible way that you can compare the popularity of these two series, GTA comes out ahead, and by a fairly wide margin. The only thing that can possibly point towards this outcome is Starcraft's performance, and that is marred with controversy, and with a possibly now defunct fanbase shift. So I've come to the conclusion that one of two things has happened. 1) Massive, MASSIVE vote stuffing. 2) We have received a new fanbase shift on par with the ones in 2003, the last half of Sp2004, and 2005. Because in the previous fanbase(s) of GameFAQS. Not happening. It just doesn't make any sense. And a new fanbase shift does make sense with these higher votals. --- "Dropo! You're the laziest man on Mars." |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/11/2006 8:21:48 PM | message detail |
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That match picture looks great, better than today's. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 8:23:44 PM | message detail |
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One thing to remember is that only a few thousand uniques will have seen that thread, because people view a thread many times. Also the conversion ratio from thread reading to voting is going to be well under 100%. I'd say that thread caused 1000 people to vote at most. And of those some would vote GTA. So we're talking about a few hundred vote difference. Of course there's a good chance rallying (beyond just that one thread) altered the result of this match, but even if you don't consider that as part of Warcraft's "innate" strength, the vast majority of its strength would still be innate. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 8:24:19 PM | message detail |
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I was responding to Adept of Aiur BTW. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/11/2006 8:25:14 PM | message detail |
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Seeing GTA/WC as the 4th highest vote total feels wrong. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/11/2006 8:26:10 PM | message detail |
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There is no doubt that 25,000 unique people didn't view the thread. Stiill... it's interesting to think about. Feh, really, I don't care. I'm mad that I'm not getting a perfect first round. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:26:48 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, seeing GTA/Warcraft grouped in with a bunch of Noble Niner instant classics seems...weird. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/11/2006 8:27:11 PM | message detail |
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WELP THERE GOES MY BRACKET AGAIN LOL! >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 8:27:16 PM | message detail |
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In regards to their popularity on GameFAQS, nothing at all has
pointed towards this result. In virtually every possible way that you
can compare the popularity of these two series, GTA comes out ahead,
and by a fairly wide margin If that was true this wouldn't have been one of the two most debated matches of the first round, along with MM vs. MK. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:27:59 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon/SO got more debate than that match in here. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Grand Theft Auto vs. Warcraft - Bracket: GTA - Vote: GTA (8/9) |
| transience | Posted 7/11/2006 8:28:05 PM | message detail |
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that's only one thread - there's dozens all around, not to mention
in-game rallying. I think it's safe to say that WC won this on rallying
power. I don't think GTA wins with 60% as some of us expected without
the rallying, but there's no doubt that WC got at least a thousand
votes on rallying alone. just look at the vote totals. we might hit
130k on this match. --- xyzzy |
| transience | Posted 7/11/2006 8:28:40 PM | message detail |
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as for Sonic, I expect it to wreck DMC today. 70%. --- xyzzy |
| Yesmar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:28:42 PM | message detail |
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If that was true this wouldn't have been one of the two most debated matches of the first round, along with MM vs. MK. Most people's arguments had rallying as a major component. --- "Dropo! You're the laziest man on Mars." |
| transience | Posted 7/11/2006 8:29:12 PM | message detail |
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and while I'm mass posting, I'll take WC with 32% of the brackets. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:29:13 PM | message detail |
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No, we thankfully don't have enough time to hit 130,000 votes and see this match pass Mario/Cloud. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 8:29:18 PM | message detail |
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So what? Every match has rallying. Rallying is not illegal. --- Where am I? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/11/2006 8:29:41 PM | message detail |
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Yeah I still cannot fatham what Board 8 has against rallying. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/11/2006 8:30:12 PM | message detail |
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I think that the night vote and day vote are gone. Every match has
remained very consistent with it's initial percentages after the period
of stabilizing in the early morning. :( --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/11/2006 8:30:17 PM | message detail |
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Well, I'll say this- no way we have a perfect in this contest now. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:31:25 PM | message detail |
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I say Warcraft has 37.73% of the brackets, and we lose at least half of the perfects. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 8:31:29 PM | message detail |
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So how many perfects will be left after this match? Im thinking 1300. --- Where am I? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 8:32:42 PM | message detail |
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But Sess, EC, and Luster Soldier were axed for vote stuffing with alts. A) ****. B) Did they admit to it, or did the mods catch them, or what happened there? If that was true this wouldn't have been one of the two most debated matches of the first round, along with MM vs. MK. Yeah, 'cuz Ridley/Diablo was a barnburner and Frog/Liquid was a blow-out. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 8:33:01 PM | message detail |
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No discussion on Sonic vs. DMC? I think Sonic may have a shot to break 70%. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/11/2006 8:33:10 PM | message detail |
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So what? Every match has rallying. Rallying is not illegal. The fact that is not technically illegal does not take away the fact that it sucks. Since the days of Planet GameCube and Mario/Cloud, rallying has sucked hard. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:33:16 PM | message detail |
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They got busted. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 8:33:26 PM | message detail |
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I say the prediction percentage is 41%, but the perfects go below 1,000. Ris-kay. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:33:46 PM | message detail |
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I say Sonic at least gets the doubling. The higher he goes, the better. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/11/2006 8:34:24 PM | message detail |
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I pray the majority of the perfects are like those on this board after today: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=29214430 --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| creativename | Posted 7/11/2006 8:34:29 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, 'cuz Ridley/Diablo was a barnburner and Frog/Liquid was a blow-out. Eh? What are you trying to say here? The match was debated, this clearly means reasons to believe Warcraft had popularity on GameFAQs existed. Whether they are right or wrong is not what he was talking about, he said no reasons existed. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:39:10 PM | message detail |
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Mushroom Division: Round 1 - Match 11 – (3)Sonic vs. (6)Devil May Cry Moltar’s Analysis Sonic Oh Sonic, Mario’s true rival from back in the Genesis days. The Blue Hedgehog is still churning out games, with Sonic Riders being the latest, but most consider the Genesis games the best. Devil May Cry One of the more recent entries in the Contest is the Devil May Cry series. Dante has become a strong character at GameFAQs even though he’s relatively new. DMC3 is the latest. It’s the Sonic series. I’m sorry, but that spells DMC’s doom right there. I really don’t even know what to say about this match. Sonic is stronger than Dante, and the Sonic series has been out far longer and spanned much further than Dante and DMC. I have Sonic winning, and that’s all I need to say. Now go grab some popcorn and prepare for Lopen’s analysis, because it’s bound to be entertaining. =P Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sonic will win. Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic: 66% - DMC: 34% Ulti’s Analysis I quite literally had to look at the bracket to remember that DMC was even in this contest. The two main characters from these series have fought before, and I doubt DMC3 will prevent DMC from suffering a similar fate as two years ago. Prediction: Sonic with 57.5% Soul’s Analysis You know it's sad that I didn't even notice DMC was in this contest until right now... Sonic and company begin their contest by taking on a somewhat underseeded Devil May Cry. DMC is indeed strong, but this is Sonic here. Sonic is one of the strongest in the contest, and DMC just can not compare. In 2004, Sonic defeated Dante with 62% of the vote. Since that time, Sonic has had a new DS game and a few more games announced for all next generation consoles. Since that time, there has been a shift of voting pool, which could potentially help Sonic out. Therefore, I believe that Sonic will be able to get even higher then 62%. And that's that. My prediction: Sonic wins with 68.42% of the vote. HaRRich’s Analysis Predicted winner: Sonic Top 100 List comparison: ---Sonic 2 - #38 ---DMC - #40 Best Game Ever x-stat comparison: ---Sonic 2 - 20.15% (may have been Something Fishy Factor'd by SMW) ---DMC - N/A (no rep) Here's a match where the upset potential is so small it's damn near non-existant, yet people will try to force one out of it. I'm looking at you, Lopen. =P Sonic 2 barely outranks the first DMC, granted, but Sonic also has more games, more popular games, has spanned more generations, has spanned more systems, is iconic, and Sonic got 62% against Dante in 2004. Tails got 42.6% against Dante that year. Dante and Knuckles are practically even last year, too. As far as the Capcom loyalties go, Dante doesn't even have it so much in his favor: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454 Scoring 7.3% (between Breath of Fire and Marvel vs.) in a Capcom-poll doesn't do you any favors when your series will be facing Sonic's series, and keep in mind the closest match of the year last year was Sonic/Mega Man...then go back and look at the Mega Man series having 31.49%. There's not much at all in DMC's favor, though I will point out one thing I noticed: according to the Villain Contest, Vergil would get 53.89% on Dr. Robotnik. That might be the deciding factor of this match, ya know..... Sonic wins with 63.12% |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:39:36 PM | message detail |
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Leon’s Analysis Ah, it’s the all-or-nothing Lopen special. And, as usual, he’ll end up on the nothing side, if you know what I mean!!!! (Psst, **SPOILERS** that means Devil May Cry is going to lose! **END SPOILERS**) As far as contest experience goes, Sonic’s series has plenty of it, with a grand total of five characters appearing throughout the Character Contest’s history. Robotnik is the only one who could be considered fodder, barely scraping by a fin and smacking down a hand before getting blown away by a nose. While Tails has not enjoyed a great deal of contest success, he can be considered a low mid-tier. It took him three years to win his first match, but his first round opponents the first two years were Alucard and Auron, certainly no slouches. After finally beating Viewtiful Joe in 2004, he put up a very respectable performance against Dante, of all characters. For a long time, Knuckles the Echidna had one of the roughest streaks of bad luck we’d seen in a character contest. While he was always able to win his first round match, he was always fed to the lions (or in this case, Snakes) in the second round. For three years, Knux had to deal with a one-and-done in an unwinnable situation against a Noble Niner in the second round. In 2005, while Solid Snake was nowhere near him, his luck didn’t seem to be improving much. This time, he was set up against the supposed Noble Nine breaker in the first round, Magus. However, Knuckles scored one of the biggest upsets ever, exposing the dark wizard for the fraud that he was all along. While he lost to Squall Leonhart in the second round, he’d left his mark on the contest. Shadow the Hedgehog was a character that people weren’t expecting much out of when he made his debut in 2003, but he surprised a good number of people when he destroyed Wario and then scored an astounding 45% on Mario (which we have since figured out was an overperformance, though it was suspected all along). In 2004, he lost a tight match against Tidus, but the fact that he was able to hang in there with an FF main character is commendable. Despite drawing primarily from one game, Shadow appears to be around the same level of strength as Knuckles. While being a Sonic proxy certainly is a benefit, that cannot be the only reason for his strength. More on that later. And, of course, there’s Sonic the Hedgehog himself. Few characters have disappointed expectations more than the Blue Blur. Due to his long-standing history, he was expected to be a powerhouse, though he has basically shown himself to be one of the weak links in the Noble Nine, having never beaten another fellow member (though he came close against Samus in 2002 and Mega Man in 2005). However, with the new Sonic game on the horizon, that SHOULD change in the near future. As far as his games go, all we’ve seen in a contest setting is Sonic the Hedgehog 2, which was utterly destroyed in the second round by Super Mario World. It’s hard to believe that Sonic 2 is as weak as it looked in the Games Contest, but it certainly wouldn’t be all THAT strong overall. There is a big split amongst the Sonic fanbase about what is the best game in the series, which I believe could hurt an individual game’s performance. However, with this being a Series Contest, you’re throwing all of them together under one banner, which will help it significantly, I think. I don’t buy this idea of saying that a series won’t be much stronger than its strongest game, at least not in THIS case. In the event of something like Super Smash Brothers, it makes sense. In the case of the Sonic series, I just don’t see that holding true because there isn’t an overwhelming favorite here. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:40:37 PM | message detail |
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Now let’s talk about Devil May Cry’s contest history. Of course, Dante
has appeared in every Summer Contest. I find this to be almost a
fitting match because, like Sonic, he has also had a history of
underperforming/disappointing in contests. In 2002, he was nearly
doubled by Crono in the second round before people had any idea of how
powerful the Chrono Trigger hero was. In 2003, he was considered the
favorite to beat Ryu (even though the stats showed that the Street
Fighter character was expected to win, though this was before they were
widespread), but he once again fell short in the second round. In 2004,
he finally broke through to the Sweet Sixteen, but not before letting
Tails do better than most people were expecting. The third round was
not kind to Dante, as he was stuck with an awful picture and was
thoroughly owned by Sonic the Hedgehog himself. 2005 was probably one of Dante’s better years, even though he lost in the second round again. He owned Final Fantasy VI’s Terra with over 70%, but was given no chance even to compete with Final Fantasy VII’s Vincent, who had nearly quadrupled Kerrigan. However, Dante brought those supporters back down to earth by scoring 46% exactly and even holding the lead in the early going. His brother Vergil had also appeared in the Villains Contest and beat the crap out of a constipated Ghaleon (see what I did there?) before being fed to eventual contest champion Sephiroth. Though he holds nowhere near the strength of Dante, Vergil was still high fodder. No Devil May Cry game made it into the Games Contest, so we have no reference point in that regard. We don’t have much to go by as far as polls are concerned except for a Favorite Capcom Series poll, in which DMC didn’t fare too well at all. I know it’s not something that we can look at for sure as an indicator of strength, but there isn’t much else to go by. The original Devil May Cry did decently on the Top 100 Games List, placing two spots below Sonic 2, which doesn’t say too much either way. However, I do feel that the series isn’t all that popular overall. I could honestly see Dante being more popular than his series, really. I don’t foresee this match being close. Sonic will be one of the stronger series in this contest and Devil May Cry…won’t be. Leonhart’s Prediction: Sonic with 67.03% Yoblazer’s Analysis My lazy ass has the advantage here, as I'm writing this late (Castlevania is owning Halo as I type this). After a week of matches, we've already seen that people are voting differently. Voters really do seem to be taking the entire series into consideration, as Star Ocean, Soul Calibur, and Halo have already found out, much to their chagrin. This match will almost surely continue that trend. Individually, Sonic's games may not be that strong, but together, they form a very formidable, respected, and popular series. He has fans from the golden 2D days and fans from the newer Sonic Adventure titles. He's gone multiplatform over the past few years, a move which has helped him mend ties with the Nintendo fans he once fought so feverishly to win over. Sonic is looking to make waves in this contest. Devil May Cry, on the other hand, seems to have everything working against it. Like a few of our earlier losers, it is a newer series with a small number of games in its arsenal. Worse yet, those games are probably nowhere near as popular as Halo or Kingdom Hearts. Worse yet, its three lone games call only one console him. Worse YET, its second game was completely hated by the fanbase, and its third game sold poorly. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:41:26 PM | message detail |
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This should be a very routine win for the Blue Blur. Sonic + Many games on different consoles + As a series, is very well known and respected + Branched out to more fans over the years - Questions abound if any of Sonic's individual games are that strong Devil May Cry + Good contest history for Dante - Newer series - Small number of games - All games share the same console My prediction: Sonic def. Devil May Cry (66-34) HM’s Analysis Ah, we finally get to see Sonic show his stuff in the contest! I have some pretty high hopes for Sonic in this series contest. I have no doubt that the power the series has will open some eyes around the board. This is another match that is getting some attention, albeit not as much as others, as one that could have a potential upset. But, again, that one just does not compute at all. This is an upset choice only if you’re Lopen -- oh snap! – and we all know about that guy!! Personally, I think the Sonic series is going to be an absolute monster of a series. I have no doubt it’ll be within the top 5 strongest series once the end of the contest rolls around – this is probably already being disagreed upon with everyone who is reading this right now. You are basically combining all of Sonic’s games into one series and allowing people to vote. I think the fact that the series will likely be labeled as just “Sonic” means huge things for it, as it encompasses every Sonic game ever. The entire Sonic franchise against … Devil May Cry? Yeah, that one is just simple. We have only had the opportunity to see Devil May Cry represented once in these contests before, and that’s through the character contest with Dante. Dante has always been a pretty strong competitor; he’s never among that group right outside the Noble Nine, but he’ll always hold his own against everyone around him and below him. He even went 54/46 against Ryu, which is pretty impressive. Even then, Sonic is far above the likes of Dante, and only has room to go up. Sonic has performed well whenever he has made a contest, with the exception of the Games Contest but there is a perfectly logical explanation for that one. Devil May Cry is certainly going to be pretty strong, but Sonic is just clearly the stronger franchise here. Devil May Cry boasts two well liked games and one that people wish to forget; Sonic has tons of great games on a variety of systems in the past 15 years. These games together are going to make a beast of a series and it’ll show in this match. Aitch Emm’s Bracket Says: Sonic will win Aitch Emm’s Prediction: Sonic 63% -- Devil May Cry 37% Aitch Emm’s Vote : Devil May Cry. Mnm’s Analysis Battle Music: Rhythm & Balance (Sonic Adventure 2) Sonic is a series that people have a lot of faith in for this contest. I don’t have that same faith, and the Sonic series is probably my second or third favorite series overall. But I’m just not convinced that GameFAQs really cares about Sonic games. We’ve only really been able to gauge Sonic’s popularity as a character on this site. Sure he’s a popular character, but come on. There aren’t really a lot of overly popular video game characters out there. Games are an entirely different animal, as there are plenty of popular games out there. Sonic doesn’t have that same advantage in the games spectrum. Sure his games may have been really popular at a time, but today Sonic games just aren’t held in the same light. The video game industry has grown since the Genesis days, and Sonic games have failed to grow with it. Today, Sonic games aren’t held in the same light as a Metal Gear, Halo, Final Fantasy, GTA, or any of the overly popular series. When a new Sonic game is released, people hardly care nowadays due to many past blunders. The series will mostly have to rely on past popularity to carry it in this contest. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:42:06 PM | message detail |
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Devil May Cry is actually a tough series to judge. We have little data
about the popularity of the series on this site outside of Dante’s
success in the character contest. Sure Dante entered the character
battles as a newbie with surprising strength, but it’s tough to say
whether his contest strength is due to the popularity of his series,
the popularity of his character design, or a mixture of both. I would
say that Devil May Cry is a fairly popular, as it sold over a million
copies in America. DMC2 was a dud, bit DMC3 was also fairly received.
DMC3 was surprisingly missing from the 2k5 GotY polls, but you would
think that the series is more popular than God of War, which ended up
being pretty popular on the site. But in the end, even if Devil May Cry ends up having a bit of strength, it probably won’t be enough to take down the Sonic series, although it probably will be close. The jury is still out on the overall strength of the Sonic series, but it should be able to muster up enough to take down Devil May Cry. Sonic has a lot more to draw from than the PS2 fanbase of Devil May Cry, having fans from the Genesis days, Dreamcast, and the Gamecube games among others. Sonic beat Viewtiful Dante in the character contest 62-38. I think Devil May Cry will do a bit worse than that. Still, Sonic’s true test will come in the next round. Bracket: Sonic Vote: Sonic Prediction: Sonic with 64.92% Lopen’s Analysis Sonic will easily defeat Devil May Cry, 60%+. Maybe even a doubling! Did you see Sonic vs. Dante? Same deal here, for sure. No! No! If you've been paying any attention to my ramblings of the last few weeks, you know that I'm calling for Devil May Cry to not only surprise here, but actually upset that dastardly hedgehog! Rabid DMC fanboyism? I can't completely deny the influence of bias in the pick, but I don't risk brackets exclusively on bias. There are reasons here for Sonic's weakness, as well as Devil May Cry's strength, let's go over em. I'll start positive here and promote Devil May Cry a bit. The main thing we have to read into DMC's popularity on this site is Dante. Dante isn't quite king of the mountain yet in the character contests, but he's pretty close. Definitely on that near elite tier. How many characters originating from the PS2/X-Box/GC era can even try to say this? Master Chief is the only one who even comes close. He's the "face of the X-Box", and no one's going to question that Halo is pretty respectable on this site, even with the anti-votes. Alright, alright, enough putting over Halo… what's my point? Series != Characters, I'll be one of the first to say that. But, at the same time, Dante's popularity being so high with so little time and releases on his side can say only good for the appeal of the series on GameFAQs, the way I see it. He isn't like Sonic, he isn't "just known" because he's an icon of fifteen years. He won't be more liked because he's made appearances in comics or television, because of nostalgia, or because he can slowly whittle away at your defenses with a plethora of "simply decent" releases. Most people who vote Dante have to really enjoy the games in the series, considering it's so new, relatively speaking. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/11/2006 8:42:16 PM | message detail |
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Given the info we had from past GameFAQs polls, there is nary a
Warcraft game that could beat any of the three big GTA games. GTA also
had the most recent release, so that should have helped, then compare
the HIGH HIGH HIGH vote-totals to other matches and suspicions raise.
Yes, we knew Warcraft had its fans both on and especially off the site,
but no, unless there was a large unexpected fanbase-change or GTA-hate
is monstrous, today's match should be attributed to the same reason
that many people put faith into WC for: rallying. Obviously, what with the result and WC's popularity off of GameFAQs, I can eat my crow and say I can't blame people for the pick now...but before today, there was plenty of reason that WC wouldn't keep close. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:42:30 PM | message detail |
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Dante aside, we haven't seen much of Devil May Cry in GameFAQs, only
two significant things I can think of. First of all, there was a
discouraging poll out there, asking for the best Capcom series… I can't
say DMC did admirably, getting only ~8%, but the competition was fairly stiff. Mega Man, Street Fighter, Resident Evil. And DMC has had time to gain popularity since that poll. (Dante has
boosted from ~25% to ~33% in his years here) Most notably from Devil
May Cry 3, which has been released since that poll. DMC3, it's the game
many would say "rejuvenated the series". It received great reviews all
around, and although the sales weren't on par with the first, they
weren't horrible by any means. More recently, post DMC3, DMC had a
pretty nice showing on the top 100 list, at #40. (only two below
Sonic's best) Devil May Cry doesn't have much data for it on this site,
but what it has is looking strong. But is it strong enough to beat the mighty Sonic? Yes, I think so. Sonic the Hedgehog has done nicely for himself over GameFAQs, but his games? Not really. In the game contest, Super Mario World makes Sonic the Hedgehog 2, possibly the most popular of the old school Genesis games, look like a joke. You can scream "Same Fanbase Factor" all you like, but there's only so much I'll buy taking place here. Anyway, that same Sonic 2 doesn't do too badly on the top 100 list, getting a #38, but this is still well below the best any of the other noble niners have to offer. (there is Mega Man… but Mega Man had no presence on the drop down list, so we can forgive him.) And also, this may be higher than Sonic 2 may have normally have gotten on such a list. Do I think many fans of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, or perhaps some other Sonic games voted for Sonic 2 simply because it was the only one on the list? You bet I do. Many have admitted to "voting for the one they thought had a chance", and you can't deny results. Only two write ins made it into that thing. What's more is that Sonic is a favorite of the board, and Devil May Cry… well… it really isn't. I don't want to exaggerate the significance of the top 100 list, but all I'm saying is Sonic 2 looked pretty feeble in the Game Contest of yore, and the top 100 list isn't giving me any reason to believe that was a fluke or a huge amount of "SFF". Now, I think if you take out Sonic 2, you've pretty much won half the battle. Take out the flagship of the old school series, and you pretty much take out the whole of it. Some may prefer S3&K, but some really do prefer Sonic 2 as well. I think it about balances out, and I find myself doubting if any of the old school games are a huge threat as a result. What else does Sonic have… Sonic Adventure 2: Battle? Give me a break. Intuition told me that this wasn't anything to be feared, and the polls I found did not give me a thing to doubt it. SA2:B got like 2% in the game of the year poll when it came out for the Gamecube. Oh, it had decent competition, but I can't take 2% seriously. I just can't. You put any game with any sort of decent fan base here in any poll… even against something ridiculous like a three way with Ocarina of Time and FF7, and I'm sure this game will get more than two percent. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:43:08 PM | message detail |
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To sum it up here, I think Sonic's potential big time game threats are
Sonic 2, S3&K, and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle. But we've seen Sonic
2 disappoint, we've seen SA2: B disappoint, and to be honest, I can't
see S3&Knux being much more than a souped up Sonic 2 at best. Devil
May Cry is easily a possibility to be more popular than Sonic 2 byt the
looks of it, although we don't have any official contest data on it.
And I'd put my money on Devil May Cry 3 being more popular than it as
well. Devil May Cry 2... well, it probably won't help so much. It's not
going to hurt like some have said. The Devil May Cry fan base is the most forgiving of all. You know our motto, right? "Devil May Cry 2 never happened."
I'd think the slight rift between the 3D and 2D Sonic fans would hurt
Sonic more than DMC2 hurts Devil May Cry. A series with a bunch of
decent games will be stronger than any of the parts, yes. But I think
any strong series needs a "big gun", and I just don't think the Sonic
series has one. Nothing that can compete with Ebony and Ivory. Lopen's Prediction: Devil May Cry with 51.81% |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 8:44:46 PM | message detail |
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I really want to see Sonic win to see Lopen cry. Does that make me a bad person? --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 8:45:17 PM | message detail |
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A lot of people seem to be calling for Sonic to just trash
DMC...honestly, it breaking 40% wouldn't fall out of my expectations,
and wouldn't make the Sonic > SSB seem any less enticing to me
(problem is, it never was enticing to me in the first place =(). But I
guess we'll see in 15 minutes!!! --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:47:26 PM | message detail |
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I really want to see Sonic win to see Lopen cry. Does that make me a bad person? No, it makes you normal. And honestly, with the trends the past few matches have been showing, I do expect Sonic to win easily. If DMC keeps it decently close, SSB will cruise to victory next round. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Aprosenf | Posted 7/11/2006 8:47:28 PM | message detail |
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Apro's Half-Assed Analysis (AHAA) Devil May Cry? Never played it. But I hear that dante es dum kirby rox dont test me dante. Or something. But in any case, Sonic kicks ass and takes names. Look for Sonic to double up Mr.-I-can't-beat-an-optional-character-from-FFVII's series. --- For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:48:16 PM | message detail |
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If DMC keeps it decently close, SSB will cruise to victory next round. Wouldn't upset me...win-win situation! --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Sonic vs. Devil May Cry - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (8/10) |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/11/2006 8:50:44 PM | message detail |
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well, one can dream that SSB cruises over Sonic. --- * Is Dranze * |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:51:27 PM | message detail |
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Yes, one can dream, but this one here cannot. I dream for the opposite. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 8:51:29 PM | message detail |
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This match will likely end up a scant 2500 votes or so under perhaps
the most legendary contest match of all time. I almost resent it for
that. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 8:52:56 PM | message detail |
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Grand Theft Auto will also be the 4th most impressive loser of all-time. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/11/2006 8:54:06 PM | message detail |
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Yep, I've never putting my faith into a GTA or Halo big time match ever again --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 8:54:44 PM | message detail |
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What happens if the next big-time match is Halo/GTA?! WELL I GUESS YOU'RE SCREWED THEN HUH --- Commit it to memory. |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 7/11/2006 8:55:04 PM | message detail |
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/waits for CJayC topic --- Economic Left/Right: 7.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26 |