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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 310

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:43:13 PM | message detail
The thing I cant understand is almost everyone agrees that MGS is underrated in that contest. It got SFFd to some extent by FF. Even bringing MGS above MGS 2, you have two MGS games with pretty distinct fanbases behind Vice City, where GTA is a series where from game to game the fanbases are less distinct. Add MGS 3 on top of that with its only distinct fanbase and I fail to see how anyone thought GTA would even have a chance in a matchup againist MGS.

Here's an older post concerning this idea:

"I still can't believe that everyone here thinks that MGS is stronger than GTA. Nothing on this site points to that besides MGS placing a measly 3 spots higher than GTA:SA. In ever GotY poll they share, GTA handily beats MGS."
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:44:37 PM | message detail
Also, I call dibs on the next topic.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:44:42 PM | message detail
Yeah, those GotY polls have come back to bite us a couple of times. I put less stock in MK: DS than ever, and if Resident Evil were going up more intimidating competition I'd be worried.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:45:12 PM | message detail
"I'd say GTA 3 and SA are worth more than SSB."

Actually, I absolutely loathe SSBM (and I'm far from alone) because of how they changed the gameplay (and, oddly enough, it's being changed back for Brawl as far as I understand) yet I loved SSB. I'd vote for the series based off of the original or against it based off of Melee. They are two distinctly different games despite their nature.
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:45:57 PM | message detail
Resident Evil going to have the Goldeneye advantage most likely. Not really a Nintendo series, but Nintendo fans will vote for it when its not againist Nintendo series.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:46:04 PM | message detail
"That is where most of series like Fire Emblem's strength comes from."

Proof?
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therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 4:47:05 PM | message detail
*points to self*

...*and mnm, and yo, and tranny*

I'm not going down alone!!


Hey, I said GTA would beat Metal Gear! I don't think I ever said it would be the fourth strongest series! Maybe I argued that for the x-stats, but I would never take GTA over SSB (remember that SSB would likely be SFF'd to the ground by SMB). Basically I was more downplaying Metal Gear being the outright fourth strongest series in this contest.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:47:43 PM | message detail
Ya know, I'm just not sure why I bother listening when NewLib talks. It's not as if anything he says is based on facts. Or reality.
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:48:49 PM | message detail
None, but I know people who never played FE, who voted Fire Emblem over SH just because it was Nintendo. I say if you talk to those diehard Nintendo fans who havent played FE, there will be a similiar occurance. I shouldnt have made it seem like thats where all its strength comes from. But I think it has more of an effect than the SSB advantage for Marth/Roy.
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:49:31 PM | message detail
I love you too CM ;_;
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 4:50:17 PM | message detail
I never said that WC was the fourth strongest series, I said that WC had the fourth best chances of winning the whole thing. god knows that everything else has a 0% chance of winning the entire contest, so WC's rallying power is the only thing that stands a chance. would WC beat Metal Gear? heck naw.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:51:25 PM | message detail
Uh, tranny, I was talking about the stats guys who were talking about GTA being the fourth strongest series, not WC...go make more haikus or something!
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transience | Posted 7/11/2006 4:52:38 PM | message detail
oh. well, I never said GTA > MG, so nyah!
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:53:18 PM | message detail
Good to know. But seriously, two post in row from you were things that can't possibly be proven. At best you have anecdotal evidence and wild speculation.

As far as RE taking votes from the Nintendo side... that just doesn't make sense. Sure, there were a few RE games on the 'cube, they all did pretty badly and they all would have done much better on the PS2. That's where the RE fanbase has made their home, and they made that clear when they practically forced Capcom's hand in the whole RE4 port deal (because the RE fans weren't jumping ship to GC like expected).
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:55:02 PM | message detail
Traitors! I'm going down with the ship...!
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:56:42 PM | message detail
I dont think you really understand the minds of the Nintendo zealots work. Their number one concern isnt what game is better, its wheter the game has appeared for a Nintendo system or not. They hate Halo, they hate GTA, they hate DMC unless one gets ported and then they love it. Ive been on enough Nintendo boards to know this happens. Now how many of these zealots vote in this contest can be debated, but thats the way they think. Put Goldeneye on the PS with the same sales and its do nearly as well in a Games contest. I think RE4 being on Gamecube and being THE GAME for Gamecube after MK:DD helps it.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 4:57:21 PM | message detail
Traitors! I'm going down with the ship...!

What? I'd still take GTA over MG! I'm still here!
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Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:57:53 PM | message detail
I lost a wont in that sentence regarding Goldeneye. It wouldnt do as well in one of these contest if it was the same game with the same sells but on the PS instead.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/11/2006 4:57:53 PM | message detail
People consider MK:DD THE GAME for GCN?
therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 4:59:04 PM | message detail
People consider MK:DD THE GAME for GCN?

Maybe he meant THE Mario Kart game for the GCN!
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Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:59:05 PM | message detail
What? I'd still take GTA over MG! I'm still here!k

Good, you can go down with the ship instead!
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:59:32 PM | message detail
No but its transitive. It was SSB:M, then Sunshine, then Metroid Prime, then Wind Waker, then Double Dash, then Resident Evil 4. You would be shocked of the diehard anger that these zealots had at the IGN review of Double Dash BEFORE THEY EVEN PLAYED IT. It was ridiculous.
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Lopen | Posted 7/11/2006 5:01:00 PM | message detail
GTA's trying to make a push. I don't think Warcraft has this quite in the bag yet, removed votes or not.
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
therealmnm | Posted 7/11/2006 5:02:11 PM | message detail
Good, you can go down with the ship instead!

It doesn't matter to me! You actually gained the ability to swim in GTA:SA! Sinking ships aren't a problem whatsoever when you can swim infinitely!
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/11/2006 5:02:31 PM | message detail
I was on IGN when that happened. Everyone of them got pissed before they played it. When they actually played the game most agreed with the score
KamikazePotato | Posted 7/11/2006 5:03:23 PM | message detail
GTA coming back from 1400 votes, in four hours, without any sign of Warcraft cheating, would be feaking awesome.

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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 5:03:39 PM | message detail
Eh I wouldnt say most, I say some. Many to this day still are angry about it.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:03:44 PM | message detail
"People consider MK:DD THE GAME for GCN?"

Worldwide it's the numbre two seller after SSBM, and that's only by 40k units. Yeah, it's THE GAME.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/11/2006 5:04:58 PM | message detail
GTA needs an average of 29.4 votes per update in order to tie.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 5:05:34 PM | message detail
GTA's been "pushing" at this lead all day. Unless it gets this puppy back under 1000 soon, it's not worth mentioning.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:05:46 PM | message detail
"Sinking ships aren't a problem whatsoever when you can swim infinitely!"

They are if you're locked inside.
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NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 5:08:38 PM | message detail
if GTA continues gaining at the pace it has for the last 40 minutes its going to fall 200 votes short of coming back.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 5:09:44 PM | message detail
For the first time in 3+ hours, GTA's got the lead under 1400. Let's hope it tries to make a match of it.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 7/11/2006 5:16:56 PM | message detail
GTA is pushing...
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Lopen | Posted 7/11/2006 5:17:53 PM | message detail
I'm a sucker for comebacks... part of me wants GTA to come back and win. Despite preferring Warcraft and wanting to see no perfect bracket emerge from this contest.
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 5:18:06 PM | message detail
...whoa. Getting a real K/V vibe from this GTA push...
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:18:40 PM | message detail
Ya know, I have a feeling WC losing is going to hurt a fair number of brackets as well.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 5:18:40 PM | message detail
GTA needs about 23-24 votes per update to catch up. It hasn't been able to do that consistently.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 5:20:38 PM | message detail
And it got a cut of 33 that time, which is just what it needs.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:21:22 PM | message detail
It will very likely fall short unless Ceej subtracts cheated votes. If the poll went to 10, though, I think GTA would pull it out.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:21:46 PM | message detail
Unless it keeps THAT up.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/11/2006 5:21:50 PM | message detail
1337
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 5:22:21 PM | message detail
I just want to see how close it can get...and wonder why it hasn't been doing this for virtually the entire day. x_x
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 5:23:03 PM | message detail
Err...actually, GTA only needs 15-16 votes per update. I went by the update topic, but it's got Warcraft's lead wrong.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 5:23:45 PM | message detail
That's it? For reals? GTA CAN do that.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/11/2006 5:24:15 PM | message detail
It damn sure needs to try.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/11/2006 5:25:34 PM | message detail
Well, that's not what GTA needed there.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 5:25:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's over. GTA can't win if WC fights back.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/11/2006 5:26:14 PM | message detail
Actually, as of last update, GTA needs 31 votes an update to win.

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