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| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 3:00:45 PM | message detail |
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It needs to gain 20 votes every five minutes. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 7/11/2006 3:01:09 PM | message detail |
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Dang --- Economic Left/Right: 7.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.26 |
| Lopen | Posted 7/11/2006 3:02:49 PM | message detail |
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Either way, DMC3 outsold that... other game in NA, and it is fairly
close to a million. Not as impressive as DMC, but not shabby. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:07:23 PM | message detail |
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RE 1-3 have broken a mil in the US. Only DMC1 has done the same for its
series. Also, iirc, before the release of the special edition DMC3's
sales were below half a mil in the US. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 3:07:54 PM | message detail |
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DMC2 barely broke a million in sales in the U.S., if I'm not mistaken. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/11/2006 3:24:27 PM | message detail |
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DMC1 only broke a million after it hit GH and even that took a while. Resident Evil remains Capcom's best selling series in the last ten years or so. --- "Never argue with a fool, people may not tell the difference" - Murphy's Law |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:29:13 PM | message detail |
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I've checked the-magicbox for info and it doesn't list DMC2 as a
million seller (let alone 3). vgcharts.org doesn't lists a single game
in the series for their US sales charts. Wikipedia had this to say about the series worldwide sales: Devil May Cry (2.74 million) Devil May Cry 2 (1.69 million) Devil May Cry 3 (1.63 million) And considering that DMC just barely put itself over the top in the US (about 1.08 mil) I'd have to say unless the drop in sales is completely from Jp or Eu (unlikely) that neither got all that close to the mark in the end. Frankly, I think they both top out at sub 800k levels. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:29:36 PM | message detail |
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And of course likely didn't reach even that high, might I mention. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/11/2006 3:39:48 PM | message detail |
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Depending on how you count the RE games DMC could have a higher sales
per game average. Remember there's like 5 versions of the first
Resident Evil. Count them as five games and the average quickly drops. Count them as one and the average is high. Also I think the worst selling RE is the GCN RE 3 which is much worse than any DMC. In terms of an original game the worst selling RE is the DS one and thats worst than any DMC too. The worst selling original main RE is RE 0 for the GCN which also sold worst than DMC. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:40:15 PM | message detail |
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Also of note, the only (main series) RE games that appear to have been
outsold by DMC 3 are Code Veronica and 0, and I have no numbers for
many copies the Code Veronica X sold on the PS2. It can't be much, but
it it was even half a million worldwide that actually puts Code
Veronica ahead of DMC3 (which is fair, since DMC3s # also includes the
sales of the special edition). In other words, one RE game has been outsold by DMC 3, the rest have not, and to make that point more poignant At least 3 RE games have outsold the best selling DMC. RE is Capcom's moneymaker. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 3:42:31 PM | message detail |
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| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 3:43:19 PM | message detail |
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I don't think anyone was doubting Resident Evil was the big moneymaker.
That was never the point. I was just saying that DMC had sold well
enough that I'm wondering why Capcom hasn't done more with it. --- SC2K6 Nominations (No, I did NOT say "monkey maker"): Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:46:50 PM | message detail |
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"Remember there's like 5 versions of the first Resident Evil." There are 3 (Original, Director's cut, REmake) to my knowledge. If I'm wrong, tell me about it. Add to that the fact that RE's sales are solely counted from the PSX versions and on those it doubled up on DMC. Yeah, some of those sales are from the Director's cut, but to be frank most of the people that bought that didn't own the original and vice versa. REmake was beaten pretty badly by DMC, but multiple factors are to blame for that including the fact that it was a friggin' remake, not a new game. Frankly, I'd lump its sales in with the original to put it far ahead of DMC. RE2 also outsold RE1 by a lot, so you know. Also, RE3 actually lost to DMC1 by a little (like 30k), so only two beat the original, but that's IF you don't count the sales of the DC version (which passed 2 million worldwide). If you do, DMC loses. By a lot. Again. To put it bluntly, DMC actaully has a better chance of winning that matchup up if we take the NA numbers and that's sad 'cause it's not going to win off of those. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 3:51:17 PM | message detail |
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"Compared to other Capcom franchises, I think DMC has the best sales-per-release average." That's the line that started the debate. Higher S/G means bigger money maker. RE has the better S/G and is the much bigger money maker. It's not by a lot, but it's more than enough to effect decisions such as ports, especially since 'late' ports don't do as well as the original usually, and certainly wouldn't if they were going from #1 console to #2 instead of vice versa (which is why RE4 may be an exception to that 'rule'). Frankly, if they wanted to make more money of DMC they'd be better off spending their time and money on the next game in the series rather than port a game that can barely rake in a million sales, if that, to a console with a significantly smaller user base. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 3:53:25 PM | message detail |
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That's the line that started the debate. Higher S/G means bigger money maker. Not really. The fact that RE has many, many more games than DMC has, and that brings down its sales-per-release average. Overall, RE has several games that outsell DMC's, but that doesn't give it the higher sales average. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 3:54:17 PM | message detail |
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You have to take Dead Aim and Resident Evil Gaiden into account is what he's saying. <.< --- Commit it to memory. |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/11/2006 4:01:23 PM | message detail |
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ChichiriMuyo, I counting all the different versions as part of the 5. The original there was RE-Saturn RE-PS RE (directors cut)-PS REmake-GCN RE-PC There's been a lot of RE games GC Resident Evil FAQ Code Save Review Board MOBILE Resident Evil --- --- --- --- Board PC Resident Evil FAQ Code --- Review Board PS Resident Evil FAQ Code Save Review Board SAT Resident Evil FAQ Code --- Review Board Good Matches ARC Resident Evil: Survivor 2 FAQ --- --- Review Board DC Resident Evil 2 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 3: Nemesis FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Code: Veronica FAQ Code Save Review Board DS Resident Evil: Deadly Silence FAQ Code Save Review Board GBC Resident Evil Gaiden FAQ Code --- Review Board GC Resident Evil 0 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 2 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 3: Nemesis FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 4 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Code: Veronica X FAQ Code Save Review Board GCOM Resident Evil 2 FAQ --- --- Review Board MOBILE Resident Evil: The Missions --- --- --- Review Board N64 Resident Evil 2 FAQ Code --- Review Board PC Resident Evil 2 FAQ Code --- Review Board Resident Evil 3: Nemesis FAQ Code --- Review Board Resident Evil 4 FAQ --- --- --- Board Resident Evil: Survivor FAQ --- --- Review Board PS Resident Evil 2 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 2: Dual Shock Edition FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil 3: Nemesis FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil: Director's Cut FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil: Survivor FAQ Code Save Review Board PS2 Resident Evil 4 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Code: Veronica X FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Outbreak FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Outbreak File #2 FAQ Code Save Review Board Resident Evil Survivor 2: Code Veronica FAQ Code --- Review Board Resident Evil: Dead Aim FAQ Code Save Review Board PS3 Resident Evil 5 --- --- --- --- Board WII Resident Evil (working title) --- --- --- --- Board X360 Resident Evil 5 --- --- --- --- Board |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:04:50 PM | message detail |
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"but that doesn't give it the higher sales average." Counting only important releases (no remakes, no spin offs, no ports), on the grounds that DMC hasn't had the opportunity to even bring its numbers down, DMC loses badly. If you lump remakes/ports in with the original, DMC loses badly. If you count RE2 w/ Dual Shock support as a seperate game from RE2 you're a moron. Same goes, realisitcally, if you count the DC version of RE3 as a individual entry. RE3 is RE3 no matter what system you put it on, and looking at it that way (but still counting REmake as it's own entry) you're still faced with the reality that per numbered entry RE outsells DMC on a sales-to-games basis. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:07:13 PM | message detail |
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I forgot there was a Saturn version, and I never knew there was a PC
version. Frankly, everyone of them, except REmake, is just RE1 as far
as I'm concerned. I don't count ports as individual entries into the series. Neither does Capcom, I'm sure. They aren't going to tell you RE PC is a different game than RE was on the PSX and I won't count them differently. It'd be dumb to do so, especially since it's not like people were given incentive to buy the game several times over like they were with, say, Soul Calibur 2. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:07:35 PM | message detail |
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Resident Evil 2 had a Dual Shock Support Edition?!?! ...and...whoa. Lopen was really serious about that DMC > Sonic thing? --- Commit it to memory. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:08:19 PM | message detail |
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Yes, RE2 had a version that supported Dual Shock. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tai | Posted 7/11/2006 4:10:43 PM | message detail |
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Big update by GTA there. :o --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/11/2006 4:14:27 PM | message detail |
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I don't count ports as individual entries into the series. Neither
does Capcom, I'm sure. They aren't going to tell you RE PC is a
different game than RE was on the PSX and I won't count them
differently. It'd be dumb to do so, especially since it's not like
people were given incentive to buy the game several times over like
they were with, say, Soul Calibur 2. I can't remember the exact numbers, but according to the Capcom sales report there are ~50 RE games and ~28 million sales worldwide. So, according to Capcom, RE is much less impressive than DMC on a sales/release basis. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:17:56 PM | message detail |
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I love how people are taking this as a sign of GTA weakness. The fact
of the matter is we had zero idea where Warcraft would land. There was
nothing to forecast it on. It is the only series that I can think of
that draws from two different fanbases of two different genres. If any
series is a glitch, its this one. Take any GTA game and it kills WC2,
WC3, and WoW. But since all the GTA games have a large overlap in
fanbases and the fanbase between WC2/3 and WoW is probably easily the
smallest of any series in this contest, Warcraft series gets some very
magnified strength. --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:20:32 PM | message detail |
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I want people to try and sing me that tune when Mario pulverizes WC
next week. And if it doesn't you can laugh at me 'till the cows come
home, and then some. But I would certainly hope few would think WC is now prime contender for 4th strongest series. --- Commit it to memory. |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:21:39 PM | message detail |
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Who said before this contest that GTA was the fourth strongest series?
It was a widely respected fact that it was Final Fantasy, Zelda, Mario,
and then Metal Gear. I heard some talk of Super Smash Brothers, of
Kingdom Hearts, of Sonic, but never of GTA. --- Where am I? |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:22:34 PM | message detail |
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Really? I'm looking at CCB's list there and it's sub 40 w/ several
unreleased titles (I saw at least 3). If that's so, it's about 35
titles with 30 million sales (according to wikipedia). Of course, this
is not counting DMC3 as two releases (the special edition sales are
lumped in with the regular version sales) so I don't know why the 3
ports/remakes of RE should be counted seperately. That said, though, DMC would at best beat RE in a 1.4 to 1 ratio, if we're using the 'every actual release is counted seperately' mindset. If you take out games that don't count for our pruroses (Cell phone games, since their sales are essentially untrackable and are meant to be exceptionally low compared to console games, and non-main series games) RE still wins. Basically, the only way DMC comes out on top is if you stack every card in the deck in its favor. And even then, it barely manages it. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:23:07 PM | message detail |
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There were quite a few that thought GTA could be a contender for the fourth strongest series, actually. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:24:04 PM | message detail |
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I'd have probably picked Mario Kart over GTA. No way is anyone calling WC 4th strongest without being laughed off the board. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:24:36 PM | message detail |
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Point them out, they need to be laughed at. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:25:23 PM | message detail |
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Then they were out of their minds. There was no reason to think GTA could beat Metal Gear or Super Smash Brothers. If I remember my Top 32 listing I think I had GTA falling behind FF, LOZ, Mario, Metal Gear, SSB, Sonic, Halo, KH, Mario Kart, Mega Man, and Mega Man X. --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:25:28 PM | message detail |
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*points to self* ...*and mnm, and yo, and tranny* I'm not going down alone!! --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:27:39 PM | message detail |
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Well, a lot of people thought that GTA's impressive showings on GotY
polls and Vice City doing so well against SSBM despite not likely being
the strongest game meant it had a lot of potential to go up. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:27:59 PM | message detail |
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"If I remember my Top 32 listing I think I had GTA falling behind FF,
LOZ, Mario, Metal Gear, SSB, Sonic, Halo, KH, Mario Kart, Mega Man, and
Mega Man X." I dunno if that list is long enough... but then there are a couple of entries that don't belong on their either so I'll just say it evens out. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:28:06 PM | message detail |
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Thats why I thought this match was one of the hardest matches to choice
of the contest. I saw GTA as a midcarder and Warcraft had such a wide
range of what could be its strength. --- Where am I? |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:29:22 PM | message detail |
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Well I realize it doesnt now. I still take Halo over GTA, but I didnt
realize how much strength Castlevania had. And I left out Resident Evil
which I also belive I would have put over it. But the only new games I would place above GTA that I hadnt before would be Castlevania, Street Fighter, and possibly DMC and Diablo. --- Where am I? |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:31:13 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but when going from game to series EVERY contestant had reason to
go up. Hell, Mario 3 is the top entry in the series and it sure as hell
can't beat FF7 but I'd put even money on SMB (series) vs. FF7. Working
off of game contest results in that manner is a critical flaw in logic.
FF7 had more to "gain" from the additional strength of 1-6 and 8-10
then GTA had to gain from III and SA (and next to nothing from the
first two, really). --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:33:00 PM | message detail |
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GTA is one of those series which I saw the lsmallest reason to go up.
Its in that boat with Halo, SSB, and DMC. There are people who like III
and SA and would vote for them and not Vice City, but I dont think
there as many as for other series. Same goes with Halo 2 and the Halo
series, SSB:M and the SSB series, and DMC and the DMC series. --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:33:38 PM | message detail |
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Well, there weren't many series with entrants ahead of Vice City in the Games Contest, for what it's worth. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:33:57 PM | message detail |
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"But the only new games I would place above GTA that I hadnt before
would be Castlevania, Street Fighter, and possibly DMC and Diablo." I found the first and last of those to be notable omissions. The other two I can still see losing to GTA without so much as a whimper. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/11/2006 4:34:46 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but this board wouldn't have even given a second thought to
SSB/Warcraft...and if we're talking about "potential to gain", I'd say
GTA 3 and SA are worth more than SSB. So does it follow that Warcraft > SSB??? --- Commit it to memory. |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:36:55 PM | message detail |
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The thing I cant understand is almost everyone agrees that MGS is
underrated in that contest. It got SFFd to some extent by FF. Even
bringing MGS above MGS 2, you have two MGS games with pretty distinct
fanbases behind Vice City, where GTA is a series where from game to
game the fanbases are less distinct. Add MGS 3 on top of that with its
only distinct fanbase and I fail to see how anyone thought GTA would
even have a chance in a matchup againist MGS. --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/11/2006 4:37:56 PM | message detail |
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Ehh, I don't quite think Warcraft could top SSB, but perhaps it'd be closer than many would give it credit for. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tai | Posted 7/11/2006 4:39:40 PM | message detail |
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hmm...GTA two updates in a row again...and then will probably get crushed in the next update...like always. X_x' --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:39:43 PM | message detail |
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The thing is SSB is something different from the other series, because
if we have learned anything from this contest is that certain Nintendo
fans will support Nintendo series no matter what the series is. That is
where most of series like Fire Emblem's strength comes from. The only
time these Nintendo fans betray a Nintendo game/series is when its
facing another Nintendo game/series. --- Where am I? |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/11/2006 4:40:35 PM | message detail |
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After today I think WC could easily break 45%. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/11/2006 4:41:16 PM | message detail |
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or cut off another thirty. intriguing. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| NewLib | Posted 7/11/2006 4:41:37 PM | message detail |
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Maybe 45%, but I still like to see what SSB does before I make that judgement. --- Where am I? |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/11/2006 4:41:59 PM | message detail |
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"Well, there weren't many series with entrants ahead of Vice City in the Games Contest, for what it's worth." FF (3) Zelda (3)* Chrono (1) Mario (1)** Starcraft (1) Halo (1) Smash Bros (1) *** GoldenEye **** Metal Gear Solid *Should've been 4, I'd wager, as LoZ heavily outranks WW on the top 100 and was in a match with SMB3 that almost certainly reeks of SFF ** Should have been 2, SM64 got raped by SFF *** + **** Both probably should have outranked VC, both were in matches that screams of SFF. No contrary results yet per se, but that's for lack of a second games contest (and we'd all think Seph and Mario > Cloud if not for the second Character contest, remember). With both of these two the writing is on the wall... or the top 100 list, whatever (which, btw, not only did GE raise drastically in but so did SotN). All told, GTA could/should miss the top 10 in this contest. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tai | Posted 7/11/2006 4:42:12 PM | message detail |
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*bathes before he tries to stay for another update* --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |