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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 307

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/9/2006 11:17:01 PM | message detail
LOL MADDEN
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Incompetence | Posted 7/9/2006 11:19:55 PM | message detail
"I didn't ask why because I didn't know. It was more because I didn't want to accept it."

Fix'd.
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I'm still on to you Leonhart.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/9/2006 11:22:18 PM | message detail
We're in the middle of a contest and we're having an insane match that makes, by way of 'common sense' rather than hard facts, SMB look stronger than LoZ and all you guys can talk about is who controls an "alt"? And worse still, the "accused" isn't exactly known for hiding things from people. Blech.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/9/2006 11:23:02 PM | message detail
Um...a little late, but has this been pointed out yet?

2k5 Gear Division

1-Seed: Solid Snake
2-Seed: Sora
6-Seed: Alucard

Alucard beats Kratos 55-45, Sora fails to meet expectations against Agent 47.

Sora beats Alucard 55-45 in Round 2.

Snake nearly doubles Sora in Round 3.

2k6 Snake Division

1-Seed: Metal Gear
2-Seed: Kingdom Hearts
3-Seed: Castlevania

Castlevania beats Halo 55-45, Kingdom Hearts fails to meet expectations against Harvest Moon.

Castlevania and Kingdom Hearts are slated to meet in the second round.

The winner will face Metal Gear.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/9/2006 11:24:39 PM | message detail
I'd really expect LoZ to perform even better on Madden than this, even if Madden could edge out Civ. No one here really wants to vote for Madden, and fodder has a tendency to fluctuate wildly in some cases.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:25:25 PM | message detail
Yes, the connection has been made on more than one occasion. Well, not in respect to their performances, but whatever.

Even so, whatever the case may be, I don't see Mario being able to outdo Zelda. Even on an old Favorite Nintendo Series poll, Zelda got 50% to Mario's 25.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/9/2006 11:26:51 PM | message detail
Um...a little late, but has this been pointed out yet?

Yeah. Moltar pointed that out earlier when the whole unimpressive Kingdom Hearts performance came up.

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transience | Posted 7/9/2006 11:29:52 PM | message detail
I was talking with somebody yesterday about Sora-Alucard-Snake.. wasn't in here though. I'm amazed more people haven't talked about Sora-Alucard actually. I won't use it as proof that KH > CV, but it's something to think about.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/9/2006 11:31:03 PM | message detail
Not to instill doubt before we've even seen it in action yet, but in terms of the board versus the casuals it looks like LoZ/FF may be like Mario/Samus (though that's not to say FF won't win, and it certainly won't get crushed). From my observations out of all the casuals that have come to the board recently discussing the contest, an overwhelming number have Zelda winning, even despite personal preference...which is the opposite of this board, which has the majority picking FF but with many preferring Zelda. Now, obviously this is purely anecdotal and predictions have little to do with the actual outcome...but I'd expect the total prediction percentage and the BOP to be polar opposites, whoever wins.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:31:17 PM | message detail
Well, it's not necessarily a good example because their series are so much more than they are. The question is...by how much?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:31:59 PM | message detail
The casuals always pick Zelda, no matter what happens.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/9/2006 11:32:39 PM | message detail
I was talking about the Sora/Alucard parallel earlier...it's hard to say. On the one hand, Alucard simply seems to be more liked than clown shoes, especially pre-KH1. But I'd say Sora is also much closer to his series' strength by being the main character of every game, while Alucard only holds a notable role in one. It's a tough call.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:38:02 PM | message detail
Mario seems to be pulling 92-93% updates with regularity right now.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/9/2006 11:38:57 PM | message detail
If we actually see Mario *more* favored with the day vote, it could get really ugly here. Then again, that would be a first for this contest...predictable vote swing...
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transience | Posted 7/9/2006 11:39:36 PM | message detail
can't say I'm surprised - since when do Europeans care about football? this should get ridiculous over the next few hours.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/9/2006 11:40:46 PM | message detail
since when do Europeans care about football?

They do. Just not ours.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:40:51 PM | message detail
Yeah, the Europeans don't care about football now. The World Cup is over.

But it is natural to assume that this would be Madden's worst time and we could expect it to do better during the day. Of course, we said the same thing about Halo.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/9/2006 11:42:12 PM | message detail
Both series are more liked than any singular character, but in Alucard's case, I can see Castlevania being really far ahead of him. Sora seems like he's closer to the series strength than Alucard at least.

Castlevania was extremely impressive against Halo, even taking away the day vote from that monster. Kingdom Hearts brought in a lot of votes, but its performance against Harvest Moon of all games wasn't particularly impressive. I think Castlevania has what it takes to take care of Kingdom Hearts by about 53%, which makes KH stronger than Halo, but still nets CV a good win.

Castlevania does have games on the home console of Kingdom Hearts, along with every other console imaginable. So that may help it out when the match rolls around -- I'm sure it helped it against Halo. Another positive to be a long running, well established franchise against a relatively new series.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/9/2006 11:44:11 PM | message detail
CV is clearly much more than Alucard. By a lot. Look at how badly it beat Halo. If we went by Sp2k4 results and adjusted SotN for OoT/007 it still would have lost to Halo. The series draws strength from a lot more than SotN.

As for KH, well, aside from myself* I think most people just can't grasp that bad heroes are still the best character from a game. Basically, KH performs in line with how it should according to Sora and a lot of people jump to the conclussion that it's weak. Seriously, Sora is obviously not that hated by the KH fanbase.

At this point, I think either can take it. Considering the 2k4 results, unless the KH2 boost was noticably bigger than the Halo 2 boost (which I certainly believe, though I fear to what degree it extends) CV could edge it out.

*Note: I expected HM to be exceptionally weak and would have picked the Hitman series to beat it with full confidance, even on this site. To see it get that close to KH was a bit of a shock. But, if there was a direct correlation we'd still expect to see Hitman win, I suppose.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/9/2006 11:44:15 PM | message detail
Madden's best time should be when casuals are running rampant on the site ... but even then, Mario should still be favored by them. I can't see the percentage going up or down much from where it is at now. It wouldn't be particularly surprising, but the area its in now seems right.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/9/2006 11:48:21 PM | message detail
"but in Alucard's case, I can see Castlevania being really far ahead of him"

Doesn't help that he's only in a handful of them and it's a very long series (about 30 games, counting ports). He might be in the consensus favorite, but he missed the boat on pretty much every other game in the series (though that's how castlevania is). His other two appearances were of little concern.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/9/2006 11:50:47 PM | message detail
Yeah. Mario isn't likely to let go of that 90%, but I'm almost certain that Madden won't end with less than 8%.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/9/2006 11:52:56 PM | message detail
Well, this match has certainly rebounded from its early slump due to the poll lag. It's about 500 behind KH/HM right now.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/10/2006 12:04:50 AM | message detail
My hope is that it'll surpass the aforementioned match. Frankly, the pairing of the names Mario and Madden seem like they should do more for vote totals than Kingdom Hearts and Harvest Moon.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 12:07:08 AM | message detail
The Mario name alone could probably rake in the numbers necessary to beat out Kingdom Hearts and Harvest Moon.

It's good to know that it's caught back up. I fully expect this to be the match with the highest vote totals once everything is said and done.

(The power of Mario!!)

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creativename | Posted 7/10/2006 12:10:19 AM | message detail
Errr...it appears I was a bit mistaken about Madden doing better than expected.
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transience | Posted 7/10/2006 12:10:42 AM | message detail
nah, CV/Halo will probably take that distinction, assuming no rallying tomorrow. (that's the real match to look forward to - I want to see a wild rally.)
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/10/2006 12:11:10 AM | message detail
Same here, creative. Just a bit.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/10/2006 12:11:40 AM | message detail
Uh...what?
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/10/2006 12:37:19 AM | message detail
KH/HM already outdid CV/Halo. Final Fantasy vs. Diablo are so polar in nature that I figure it's going to be #1 for round one. Doesn't hurt that the FF name is at least as big as the Zelda name (well, or bigger. It's at least more well liked) and that the Diablo name is miles away from Civilization in the right direction.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 7/10/2006 2:27:12 AM | message detail
lol madden

Final Fantasy is so screwed
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jonthomson | Posted 7/10/2006 3:48:59 AM | message detail
*votes Madden*
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voltch | Posted 7/10/2006 3:52:42 AM | message detail
Europe is a continent were the top sellers are FIFA games.
they hate Madden
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jonthomson | Posted 7/10/2006 4:24:41 AM | message detail
Europe is a continent were the top sellers are FIFA games.
they hate Madden


The thinking players over here hate the FIFA games as well and play Pro Evo instead. Besides, I've been playing Madden since before the Bus was drafted.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/10/2006 5:08:32 AM | message detail
This is the part of the topic when I laugh at everyone who argued to no end that Madden would be a strong series. I'm one of the biggest Madden fans on this board, which makes it even funnier.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 5:40:59 AM | message detail
Leonhart mentioned that this match started out at 2,000 or so votes behind KH/HM (obvious reasons given the ten minute down time we experienced), but as of the 8:35 AM EST update, SMB/Madden is ahead by 869 votes. Mario is pretty much pushing these obscene vote totals by itself -- and is likely going to be the second entry ever to hit the 100,000 single vote total gained.

I entertained the idea of Mario winning the contest a while back, and this whole blowout is seriously making me start to reconsider those thoughts. Sure, it is Madden and it is just a fodder match, but still ...

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 5:48:57 AM | message detail
... Yeah. In a matter of two updates, SMB/Madden is ahead by 1,034 votes.

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cyko | Posted 7/10/2006 5:54:28 AM | message detail
wow. there was actually an update in there where Madden got 6 votes in five minutes. SIX VOTES. lol.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/10/2006 6:05:31 AM | message detail
Nothing from KH/HM broke any all-time top tens, though KH's individual vote total came damn close. It was in the 15 range.

After tomorrow, ten matches will be finished. Daily top fives!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 6:06:47 AM | message detail
Super Mario Bros. is also ahead of LoZ's individual total by 3,936. Heh.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/10/2006 6:26:14 AM | message detail
I half hope Mario wins the entire contest. Name one series that deserves it more.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/10/2006 7:14:06 AM | message detail
METROID!!!!!

...kay.
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Starion | Posted 7/10/2006 7:19:54 AM | message detail
Castlevania. Pure underdog and a series that really doesn't garner any strong hate. Plus in the very unlikely event it would win, it would break the Nintendo/Square dominance in this contest.
Big Bob | Posted 7/10/2006 7:27:02 AM | message detail
Sonic the Hedgehog!

...what? What is so wrong with me liking his games? They were the highlight of my childhood, and SA2 and Sonic Rush are some of the best games I've played this generation as well.
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/10/2006 7:32:37 AM | message detail
METAL GEAR?!

Yeah, Mario deserves it most.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/10/2006 7:34:51 AM | message detail
You can't really go and say something deserves it more than another. Saying it does just because it's older... I think that's stupid. HAY GUYS LET'S HAVE CHOANIKI BEAT MARIO KART.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 7:35:54 AM | message detail
I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with its age so much as it does with the fact that it has revolutionized the industry and set standards multiple times.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/10/2006 7:39:30 AM | message detail
True enough. But I've seen the age argument so much for Castlevania my eyes are still burning.

Personally, I'll go with a series that beat standards over a series that set them... but meh.
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I do declare, old chap! Even a Doom score could not possibly justify the unwarranted combustion of kittens!
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/10/2006 7:44:28 AM | message detail
That series is not Metroid, sir!! =p



On another note, SMB/Madden is ahead of KH/HM by 2,566 as of the 10:40 AM EST update. Damn.

And Mario is ahead of Zelda's individual total by 5,071. Monstrous.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/10/2006 7:45:01 AM | message detail
At the 10:40 mark, this match has 51299 votes. To compare with other matches at this time:

Zelda/Civilization - 47697
Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 49262
Castlevania/Halo - 50522
Kingdom Hearts/Harvest Moon - 48773

Super Mario Brothers's individual vote total: 47528
The Legend of Zelda's individual vote total: 42457

For the record, Mario's about an hour ahead of Zelda's pace.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden