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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:35:52 PM | message detail

This contest sucks we've only had one seeding upset. =(
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:35:56 PM | message detail

He hopes Street Fighter upsets Resident Evil. :P

Which, I see as a possiblity, but I'm feeling pretty safe with RE at this point... Mostly because of the top 100 list, I'll admit.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/8/2006 9:35:58 PM | message detail

I know an alt who's going to be modded soon and often, talking like that in this topic.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:36:09 PM | message detail

If Mega Man, Super Smash Bros., and Castlevania win (along with RE > SF and GTA > WC), I'll have a perfect bracket. Chances are at least one of them won't go my way, though.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 9:37:12 PM | message detail

Metal Gear is too far ahead of Castlevania for rallying to really make much of a difference.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:37:16 PM | message detail

BOLD PREDICTION: RPGuy gets the first perfect bracket ever.

LOL look at me on the coattails!!!
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:37:41 PM | message detail

He hopes Street Fighter upsets Resident Evil. :P

Which, I see as a possiblity, but I'm feeling pretty safe with RE at this point... Mostly because of the top 100 list, I'll admit.

Then what in the bloody hell does that have to do with my fact or fiction?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:37:55 PM | message detail

By rallying, I meant "rallying". Duh.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:38:00 PM | message detail

If Sonic wins instead of Smash Bros. and Metal Gear beats Zelda, I'll have a perfect.
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:38:38 PM | message detail

I don't understand how someone could justify a CV > Halo pick, and then take SSB > Sonic.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:38:45 PM | message detail

Then what in the bloody hell does that have to do with my fact or fiction?

Nothing. He changed the subject without alerting anyone because that's how he rolls!
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:39:14 PM | message detail

If Sonic wins instead of Smash Bros. and Metal Gear beats Zelda, I'll have a perfect.

Ouch... I say no chance in hell for MG > Zelda, but the other I'll give you. What do you have for MM/MK?

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/8/2006 9:39:36 PM | message detail

Good gawd this topic is moving fast, and were not even on a hard match!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:39:47 PM | message detail

Check his sig, EC.
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:39:58 PM | message detail

Nothing. He changed the subject without alerting anyone because that's how he rolls!

But he quoted my post! No one does that and gets away with it.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:40:25 PM | message detail

Good gawd this topic is moving fast, and were not even on a hard match!

It's called fallout. >_<
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:40:45 PM | message detail

Ouch... I say no chance in hell for MG > Zelda, but the other I'll give you. What do you have for MM/MK?

Mega Man.

I have the exact same bracket as RPGuy except for SSB vs Sonic. Which means he'll get the honor of being obliterated by my hand in the Guru contest.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/8/2006 9:40:53 PM | message detail

If MM beats MK, I'll agree that RPGuy will have the first perfect bracket. As-is though, that match is too much in the air for me to say it yet. I feel real good about SSBM though, and I'm strangely somewhat-confident in CV > KH now.....
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:40:54 PM | message detail

Check his sig, EC.

Creme Broule is a dish best served cold?

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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:41:19 PM | message detail

Check his sig, EC.

Oh... MM's. >_>

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:41:44 PM | message detail

??? You hope street fighter upsets The Elder Scrolls?

My bad, forgot that was a second round match. I still don't think there will be any perfects though.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/8/2006 9:41:46 PM | message detail

It's called fallout. >_<

Fallout that centers around Mage and him dissin CV upset pickers lolol
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 7/8/2006 9:42:04 PM | message detail

If MM beats MK, I'll agree that RPGuy will have the first perfect bracket.

Don't forget about that tricky Sonic the Hedgehog!
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:42:24 PM | message detail

I have the exact same bracket as RPGuy except for SSB vs Sonic. Which means he'll get the honor of being obliterated by my hand in the Guru contest.

I must say, you're definitely my favorite at this point to win the whole thing then. I'd find it humorous that you of all people would be the first to get a perfect if things go as I believe they will.... simply because you're know for zany upsets.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:42:40 PM | message detail

Oh... MM's. >_>

Oh EC, you sexual deviant you.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:43:01 PM | message detail

Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:43:07 PM | message detail

God, I want Sonic to win so badly...but everywhere I turn it seems like I'm surrounded by SSBM's dominance.

Then again, I *am* on Board 8. Sheesh...I need to diversify some more.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:44:18 PM | message detail

I must say, you're definitely my favorite at this point to win the whole thing then. I'd find it humorous that you of all people would be the first to get a perfect if things go as I believe they will.... simply because you're know for zany upsets.

Yeah, that would be amusing. :)

What would be even more amusing is that the majority of this board would be none the wiser since I dumbly made my bracket with an account that sports the incredible universal name of JDMS. Accursed Gamespot method of getting spaces in account names...
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:44:33 PM | message detail

Oh EC, you sexual deviant you.

For the last time, she said she was 18!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:45:14 PM | message detail

For the last time, she said she was 18!

She was still my grandmother. =(
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 7/8/2006 9:45:16 PM | message detail

But Halo got 100% of its series on the list, and its top game beat out Castlevania's ONLY game!

Seriously though, Sonic has no diversity? Maybe in the number of platforms, but neither does SSB. There is a good bit of diversity between the 2-D and 3-D games.
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Yesmar | Posted 7/8/2006 9:47:14 PM | message detail

I don't think diversity of games matters as much as diversity of fanbase, which I think Sonic has a lot of.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:48:35 PM | message detail

Castlevania has diversity (platformers, SotN, 3D, Metroidvania), Sonic does not. Sonic's only game in the Spring contest was SFF'd by a Nintendo game; Sonic is facing a Nintendo series. Sonic's highest ranked game in the List was far outdone by Smash Bros. highest ranked game in the List. Sonic's games have always disappointed in GotY polls. Sonic is facing an 8 (ish) year old series on 2 Nintendo consoles vs a 5 year old series on the XBox. I could go on. I think there are parallels to be drawn, but I'm still reasonably confident in SSB.

Sonic's relatively diverse. Relative to SSB anyway. It has three (well, four I guess) 2D platformers that are very speed-oriented, and then it has two 3D games that, while having their speed, have many other elements as well. Then you get the fact that it's got some Nintendo presence of its own, and the fact that a lot of young kids have picked up the 3D Sonic games, and the series as a whole looks to be able to outclass any individual game within the series quite nicely.

SSB on the other hand, is extremely... undiverse. Homogeneous, if you will. It's also far less established as a gaming series. SSBM is a powerhouse, and I'd be a fool to deny that. The thing is, I don't see SSBM beating the entire Sonic series on its own, and I don't see SSB adding substantially to its strength.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:48:39 PM | message detail

And I don't think Sonic has a diverse fanbase. I know SSB doesn't, but it doesn't need one, because the Nintendo fanbase here is big enough.
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 9:50:02 PM | message detail

Sonic has -faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar- more diversity than the SSB series. Hell, there is no reason at all for SSB as a series to be any stronger than SSBM. It's basically the Sonic series vs. SSBM. As shown today, even hardcore Halo fans were voting CV, because they believed it was the better series. We never actually give the voters enough credit for voting as the contest name implies, which accounts for such anomalies in the Spring contest with characters overperforming on Seph. I don't think "anti-votes because everyone knew he would win" is a legit answer to what we saw.

Sonic spans consoles and generations from the Genesis to Gamecube, and Sonic Adventure Battle 2 is arguably it's strongest game, a game we haven't even seen in action yet. Hell, I'd wager Sonic 2 is the 3rd strongest game behind S3&K as well. I know this conversation has taken place already, but I don't really see a reason for Sonic 2 to be stronger than either of those.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:50:05 PM | message detail

Sonic has tons of diversity! Sonic 1, 2, 3, and S&K. Sonic Advances. Sonic Heroes. Sonic Spinball. Sonic Advances. Sonic Battle. Sonic Rush. Sonic Shuffle.

What more do you want????
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:51:53 PM | message detail

Ugh, I said Advances twice. Sonic Adventures.

And let's not forget about Shadow the Hedgehog...on second thought, let's...
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:52:33 PM | message detail

sorry, ec, no need to be confuzzled by my misunderstanding.

I forgot res evil/street fighter happens after cv/kh. So what you were shocked at when you posted what I quoted was "what's going to happen to all the perfects, there's only one match before then that's tricky". I thought street fighter/res evil was a first round match, so thought, well there's that match, that could be an upset.

I took your post to mean there won't be any more upsets in the whole thing, and that you meant we'll finally have a perfect bracket. Which wasn't what you meant.

And yes, that is how I roll.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:53:19 PM | message detail

I don't think there's a chance in hell that SA2/B is Sonic's strongest game. The only time we've ever seen it in a poll, it gathered all of 1% against terrible competition, and it missed out on the Spring contest despite having absolutely no competition for a Dreamcast slot.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:53:27 PM | message detail

Here's a fun anecdote, since we all know anecdotal evidence is just as good as irrefutable proof!

One day, I took one of my many trips to my local EB Games. As I often do, I simply perused the various gaming selections, trying to figure out what tickled my wallet's fancy on that particular day. This day was not quite usual though. You see, I was there shortly after school. As such, it was actually busy, mostly with young children and their parents. As I often do in EB Games, I decided to impersonate an employee, offering my help and words of wisdom to inquiring children and their equally inquisitive parents. On that day, no less than 3 kids left the store with one of the Sonic Adventure ports for Gamecube.

And then, an 80 year old man walked in! Lo and behold, he picked up Sonic Adventure 2 Battle for GCN!!! As he left the store, he was almost knocked over by a skateboarding punk with at least six rings in his lip. He promptly strutted over to the GCN section and grabbed a copy of each Sonic Adventure.

That's the whole anecdote. And only one paragraph is true.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/8/2006 9:53:43 PM | message detail

Since the Genesis though, Sonic has hardly been going strong -- SSBM would beat ANYTHING Sonic-related pretty bad (I can't easily imagine a single Sonic game breaking 40% on it), and SSB was a hit that would beat any 3D Sonic game for sure and at least compete with Sonic's top games, if not outright win. There may be an assumed-to-be-big overlap (where I'd agree), but that's still huge dominance as far as individual game's strengths go...and, yes, game =/= series, but SSB is more respected as a series here than most two-game series despite that.
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 7/8/2006 9:53:52 PM | message detail

I know SSB doesn't, but it doesn't need one, because the Nintendo fanbase here is big enough.

Which Sonic shares in. Don't assume that being Nintendo is automatically to SSB's advantage. As with Castlevania vs. Halo, you're running the risk that the person likes at least ONE Castlevania game over Halo, which doesn't have that diversity to draw from.

Honestly, we're seeing well-established, long-running series do quite well so far. Recent series, like Soul Calibur, Halo, and even Kingdom Hearts disappointing so far, haven't shown that kind of overall strength. Diversity is to Sonic's advantage, and I really don't see why you say it doesn't have any.

Seems odd in seeing the pattern flipped from the Games Contest: The older the series, the more likely it is to be strong.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:55:34 PM | message detail

I always forget about the Sonic Advance games. And by extension, Sonic Rush, which was called, by many, to be a game that harkened back to the good ol' days of Sonic's 2D exploits.

Oh yeah, and I forgot Sonic CD too, which recently got a little more exposure on Gems collection... But I guess the only people who bought that would have been Sonic fans anyway. Still, worth noting.
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cyko | Posted 7/8/2006 9:55:41 PM | message detail

SSB vs Sonic is quite simple you see -

SSB will win because Sonic's games aren't very good.

*ducks flying debris*

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/8/2006 9:55:42 PM | message detail

Sonic Adventure 2 is OVERRATED LOL
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 9:55:57 PM | message detail

And if those kids are playing the Sonic Adventure GC ports, what do you think the probability of them playing SSBM is? Remember that 75% of the site owns SSBM, and probably a large amount more have played it.
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 7/8/2006 9:56:25 PM | message detail

SSBM would beat ANYTHING Sonic-related pretty bad

Too bad that's not the issue at hand. It has to beat EVERYTHING Sonic-related.

And SSB is not a respected series.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 9:56:34 PM | message detail

I wouldn't call Kingdom Hearts 'disappointing' just yet, though it's sure not impressing me by failing to triple Harvest Moon. Still, there's always the day vote.

If it ever falls below 70%, I'll say it's a disappointment. But my HM comment was a joke, dangit. <.<
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 9:57:41 PM | message detail

And I agree with the people who mentioned that we don't give the voters enough credit. It appears that they DO take into consideration the type of contest they're voting in. At best for SSB, it simply won't come into play in that match. At worst, SSB will be worse for the wear.
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