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charmander6000 | Posted 7/8/2006 8:06:55 PM | message detail
Pokemon easily.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 8:07:34 PM | message detail
Pokemon
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 8:07:47 PM | message detail
You guys actually think that Pokemon would beat the Mario RPG "series"?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 8:08:33 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:09:02 PM | message detail
I'll say it again...people are high on Pokemon. Let it get SFFed into the ground by one of the least SFF-capable series, then we'll see this again.
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:09:55 PM | message detail
If Super Mario RPG had a sequel, no doubt I take it. But Paper Mario is a different beast and I dont think just having the Mario name gives it strength. I mean Mario Party would be fodder here.

I have to go with Pokemon > Paper Mario > Fire Emblem > Mother
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/8/2006 8:11:40 PM | message detail
For whatever reason I'm putting my chips on Ulti.

It's not me, nor do I have any clue who it is.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/8/2006 8:13:38 PM | message detail
Back from vacation; good to see ...castlevania ruining everyone?

What an interesting result, honestly. It paves the insanity track so that Kingdom Hearts can fully stomp Metal Gear.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 8:14:08 PM | message detail
HM, do you think the 1999 Julius-arc Castlevania game will be a 3D console game or another 2D handheld? I heard they hinted it would be one of the upcoming games in the series at the end of Curse of Darkness...

They're supposedly working on a next-gen Castlevania game, or at least in the initial stages of it, so we might see the new "Next-Gen Castlevania" delve into that whole 1999 incident where he suffered that amnesia problem ...

(2D gameplay with 3D models is what we need!!)

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/8/2006 8:15:18 PM | message detail
It paves the insanity track so that Kingdom Hearts can fully stomp Metal Gear.

Wait...what?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 8:15:20 PM | message detail
Which Nintendo RPG series is the strongest? Fire Emblem, Mother, Pokemon, or Paper Mario?

Why is it just "Paper Mario"? I think they would all go under the "Mario RPG" for a series, which is by far the strongest of those games. That is not even a question.

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charmander6000 | Posted 7/8/2006 8:16:42 PM | message detail
You guys actually think that Pokemon would beat the Mario RPG "series"?

He clearly said Paper Mario series.
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:17:00 PM | message detail
Because Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are not the same series.
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:17:41 PM | message detail
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Today's Match: Kingdom Hearts v. Harvest Moon

I've seriously never heard of either of these games, so I'm going to assume they're both made up. You know what you doing.

Prediction: CATS with 57.3%
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Slowflake | Posted 7/8/2006 8:18:45 PM | message detail
Probably had to do with the fact I didn't see much of you lately.

Unless you're up while I'm asleep and vice versa. That'd explain it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:18:56 PM | message detail
Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, I don't give a damn what you call it -- Pokemon gets clobbered. Seriously, blowing out Star Ocean does not make you strong!!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 8:19:21 PM | message detail
... Why on earth would you split that up? Paper Mario is basically the spiritual successor to Super Mario RPG. You shouldn't be splitting those up into two different sets. It's all "Mario RPG" for a series.

And Paper Mario would still kick Pokemon's ass. Pokemon is still weak, incredibly weak.

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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:20:24 PM | message detail
Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG share different titles, different style of graphics, different play mechanisms. Hell the only thing they have in common is they are both RPGs and both have Mario.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:20:38 PM | message detail
Seriously, other than maybe Fire Emblem, I'm struggling to think of notable games on the Nintendo hierarchy that Pokemon could beat. I'd expect Kirby to thrash it, for chrissakes.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/8/2006 8:21:16 PM | message detail
I personally would group all of the Mario RPGs together into one series; they're just all so similar. Platforming RPGs!
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 8:22:30 PM | message detail
You guys are nuts if you think that Pokemon would beat Paper Mario after seeing Xenogears beat Pokemon G/S/C. Pokemon as a series isn't that much more popular than G/S/C where Paper Mario couldn't handle it. Unless you think that Xenogears would beat any of the Paper Mario games? It's not like Paper Mario games are unpopular...
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 8:23:00 PM | message detail
Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG share different titles, different style of graphics, different play mechanisms. Hell the only thing they have in common is they are both RPGs and both have Mario.

... Yeah, because Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario Sushine have a ton in common. There is no reason to even break them up like that. What, are you going to have a Paper Mario series, a Mario & Luigi series, and then we'll have to wait until Super Mario RPG gets a proper "sequel"? Hell no. They are all Mario RPGs and all should go under one name to describe them.

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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:23:40 PM | message detail
What about Mother, F-Zero, Ice Climbers, Punch Out, Excitebike, Mario Part, Dr. Mario, WARS series, Wario Land?

Im pretty sure that Pokemon could beat all of those series.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/8/2006 8:24:05 PM | message detail
It paves the insanity track so that Kingdom Hearts can fully stomp Metal Gear.

Wait...what?



I just sort of slipped in it, not bothering to pretend to be logical about it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:24:32 PM | message detail
I forgot half those series were even made by Nintendo...and I'm still tempted on one or two. Still, point taken.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 8:24:57 PM | message detail
Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG share different titles, different style of graphics, different play mechanisms. Hell the only thing they have in common is they are both RPGs and both have Mario.

Different gameplay mechanisms??? How so? They both are platform/action oriented RPGs which have turn-based battles based on timing. What else is different? The added in-field abilities? Since when can't a series get added features? You would expect a game in the next generation to have added gameplay elements...
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:25:12 PM | message detail
Okay I fail to see how Mega Man and Mega Man X are seperate series, but Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are not.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/8/2006 8:29:08 PM | message detail
Okay I fail to see how Mega Man and Mega Man X are seperate series, but Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are not.

I was torn on the debate until this point. NL suddenly rules.

Rules more, actually.
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cyko | Posted 7/8/2006 8:29:59 PM | message detail
Paper Mario/ Mario RPG easily blasts those other options.

and say what you want about Harvest Moon's GC sales, but there is no way Harvest Moon is breaking 15%. i might be able to see it breaking 20% and even approaching 25% against a non-rpg series like Super Mario Bros or Grand Theft Auto or Metal Gear. but it seems that whenever two RPGs have faced off, there's always been a bit of "something fishy" going on.

so, i don't want to see anyone freaking out about how KH will crush Castlevania because it gets 87 or 88% against Harvest freaking Moon. of course, i still think KH could take down Castlevania anyways, but mercilessly beating the likes of HM shouldn't impress anyone.

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Phediuk | Posted 7/8/2006 8:30:48 PM | message detail
Because Paper Msrio was clearly intended as a follow-up to SMRPG. Hell, its working title was "Super Mario RPG 2".

MMX, on the other hand, was always intended as a spinoff, as more classic MM games were released after MMX was released.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/8/2006 8:30:52 PM | message detail
They are seperate. You could make an argument for Mario RPG and the Mario & Luigi games, but Paper Mario is COMPLETELY different.


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/8/2006 8:31:38 PM | message detail
MM and MMX are probably different by the storyline, but the Mario RPGs seem to play out like a Mario game in an RPG format for me. though, SMRPG was made by Square, Paper Mario is by Intelligent Systems, and Mario & Luigi are made by Alpha Dream. so I'm not really sure if they could all be grouped together, but they are similar in gameplay mechanisms.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 8:33:30 PM | message detail
Okay I fail to see how Mega Man and Mega Man X are seperate series, but Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are not.

Because Mega Man X was a spinoff of the original Mega Man, which was already established as a series and kept releasing games after Mega Man X. MMX branched off into its own series of games.

Paper Mario is not a spin-off of Super Mario RPG.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 7/8/2006 8:33:38 PM | message detail
We got too bold and took the day vote for granted.

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ccbfan | Posted 7/8/2006 8:33:43 PM | message detail
I remember being quite mad that Dracula wasn't allowed into the Villains Contest.

Considering he didn't originate in a video game, he wasn't eligible.


Actually according to Lament of Innocence. Castlevania Dracula and Bram Stoker Dracula are two different people.
Phediuk | Posted 7/8/2006 8:33:54 PM | message detail
They are seperate. You could make an argument for Mario RPG and the Mario & Luigi games, but Paper Mario is COMPLETELY different.

They have far more in common than Zelda does with Zelda II, but I don't see anyone trying to group Zelda II into a different series.

And for the love of God, the working title of Paper Mario was SUPER MARIO RPG 2. It was clearly intended as a followup to SMRPG.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/8/2006 8:34:06 PM | message detail
From Slowflake Posted 7/8/2006 11:18:45 PM #165
Probably had to do with the fact I didn't see much of you lately.

Unless you're up while I'm asleep and vice versa. That'd explain it.


Pretty much. I also work a ton, which explains it.

Oh and before accusing me of alt-trolling again, I stopped doing that almost two years ago and haven't even considered doing it since. Call it mod intervention on AIM =p

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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:34:08 PM | message detail
Your right it isnt a spin-off of Super Mario RPG. Its a completely seperate entity.
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cyko | Posted 7/8/2006 8:35:01 PM | message detail
eh, the thing about Megaman and Megaman X is that "supposedly" they are different characters in completely different time periods. on the other hand, it doesn't matter if you have Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, or Paper Mario - it's all the same Mario.

*shrugs*

that's all i can come up with.

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steve illumina | Posted 7/8/2006 8:36:25 PM | message detail
Halo 37.24%
Castlevania SOTN 20.27%

lol, X-Stats


LOL at the fanbabies, bandwagoners, and such who think bogus numbers of the past from unrelated contests against unrelated opponents will save them...

The bottom line is...a duet of games, popular with one hardcore genre of gamers, was soundly beaten by a 20+ years old game series respected more (and voted for more) based on the sum of its parts rather than for one character (Alucard) who supposedly represented the entire series but was only actually in a handful of the games in the series, but whose barely average performance was supposed to speak for the series as a whole.

Next overhyped 'triplet' to go down: Grand Theft Auto
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 8:37:04 PM | message detail
MM and MMX are probably different by the storyline, but the Mario RPGs seem to play out like a Mario game in an RPG format for me. though, SMRPG was made by Square, Paper Mario is by Intelligent Systems, and Mario & Luigi are made by Alpha Dream. so I'm not really sure if they could all be grouped together, but they are similar in gameplay mechanisms.

I guess Star Fox Adventures and Star Fox Assault aren't part of the Star Fox series since one was developed by Rare and the other was developed by Namco...
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 8:38:22 PM | message detail
What does everyone expect KH to get on HM? I'm expecting something in the area of 70-75% myself.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:38:23 PM | message detail
I'm going to like the rationalization of GTA over Warcraft...
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Anal Storage | Posted 7/8/2006 8:39:12 PM | message detail
Hey guys, World of Warcraft isn't part of the Warcraft series. An MMO? WTF?!?!

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Phediuk | Posted 7/8/2006 8:39:47 PM | message detail
Saying that Paper Mario is completely different from SMRPG is absolute bullcrap anyway. They're both RPGs, they both star Mario, they both have an emphasis on witty dialogue over plot intricacies, they both have battle systems that revolve around timed hits, they both have a heavy emphasis on dungeon trekking, Mario uses a hammer as one of his primary weapons, and so on.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 8:40:09 PM | message detail
Next overhyped 'triplet' to go down: Grand Theft Auto

*winces*

You were on a roll too.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/8/2006 8:40:23 PM | message detail
Metal Gear Solid isn't part of the Metal Gear series!

SMW and SM64 aren't part of the Super Mario BROS. series!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 8:40:28 PM | message detail
I'd get at least 95%!

...but Kingdom Hearts should get a solid tripling here.

QUICK QUERY: Which of the two would perform better against Kingdom Hearts -- Harvest Moon, or Heroic Mario?

Note: Heroic Mario's picture will consist of an indistinct top ten list with lots of markouts
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 8:40:41 PM | message detail
Obviously when people see the name "warcraft", they won't think of world of warcraft. >_>

Seriously though, are there people who actually believe that?
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 8:40:59 PM | message detail
I actually dont think Warcraft and World of Warcraft are the same series.
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