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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 5:42:36 AM | message detail
It's good to see the predictability of the contest end at least. I still want to see what halo is capable of in the day before calling it, but it's probably over. I'd like to see castlevania > KH happen too...
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 5:44:14 AM | message detail
Not unless you're one of those crazy people who try to count the whole Master Hand thing.

I never understood why people count this as a 6,000 vote swing. If MH was weak enough to fall behind by that much, it wouldn't have been capable of making up the difference...
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/8/2006 5:44:16 AM | message detail
I'm kinda thinking that this is a sign (I know that this has been mentioned in the other topic)...a sign that more games in a series actually means something. So far, we've seen the series with more games win every single match, and although that trend will end tomorrow (endless entertainment if it doesn't), it could mean that CV > KH and Sonic > SSB...maybe even MM > MK and SF > RE (it also assures SF > ES). And maybe...just maybe...Mario has a chance of winning the tournament?
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 5:45:07 AM | message detail
Castlevania: Symphony of the Morning? Also, hooray, it's over! Now it's on to KH!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 5:45:55 AM | message detail
I never understood why people count this as a 6,000 vote swing. If MH was weak enough to fall behind by that much, it wouldn't have been capable of making up the difference...

Indeed. Kuja had, I believe, something like a 500 vote lead before Master Hand started coming back. A favoring of the day vote will bring you back from that kind of small deficit, and it obviously means you weren't weak enough to lose the match. So yeah, I agree completely.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 5:46:01 AM | message detail
Speaking of that trend ending tomorrow, I would sacrifice my first born to see HM beat around KH. >_>
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voltch | Posted 7/8/2006 5:48:02 AM | message detail
imagine the uproar if there were cheated votes of epic proportions in this match.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 5:49:51 AM | message detail
Yeah, this is why I took Sonic > SSB, CV > KH, and MM > MK. HOWEVER, as far as FF vs Mario goes, Mario really has SMB, SMB2, SMB2J, SMB3, SMW, SMW2, SM64, SMS, and NSMB. Final Fantasy has FF1-FFXI and FFX-2. So it actually has more games. And I don't think it will matter in that match. Both of them have enough games to be "established." And both of them are titans around here. Mega Man strikes me as a series that will benefit much more from having a ton of games since they're all so similar, it's kind of hard to pick a favorite. It doesn't have the advantage of facing a "less established" series though-- MK is undeniably well known and well loved. Sonic does have that advantage though.

I have, however, been kind of worried about having RE>SF ever since brackets locked down. Really though, Street Fighter doesn't actually have a lot of games. It has a lot of edits of SF2, but they're all the same game with a couple of new characters and gameplay balance fixes.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 5:51:25 AM | message detail
I'd like to see castlevania > KH happen too

I see no reason why it shouldn't. Halo and KH are extremely similar in strength and today's match kills the "will vote for strongest single game" theory. KH2 would have had to have a HUGE effect for it not to happen. I'm very, VERY happy with my picks right now, and since MasterMage has the same bracket as me except for getting Pokemon right, I congratulate him in advance for his perfect bracket.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 5:51:28 AM | message detail
So far, we've seen the series with more games win every single match, and although that trend will end tomorrow (endless entertainment if it doesn't), it could mean that CV > KH and Sonic > SSB...maybe even MM > MK and SF > RE (it also assures SF > ES). And maybe...just maybe...Mario has a chance of winning the tournament?

The only one I feel really safe mentioning something on is Sonic > SSB, which is almost exactly like this match. One series has only two games, the other has a ton of games that span various consoles, both old and new. I think that is the closest comparison to this match. Castlevania/Kingodm Hearts is pretty similar, too, and that one will be interesting to see. I'm almost pretty convinced that Castlevania can take that one. You're starting to make a huge stretch with the others though.

Mega Man > Mario Kart? Mega Man has something like nine games in the Classic series. Mario Kart has five games in its series. That's not an instant favoring toward Mega Man.

Street Fighter > Resident Evil? Street Fighter has 53 games in its series, Resident Evil has 40. That's not difference enough to start talking about Street Fighter carrying some advantage. It's just older, not necessarily stronger.

Super Mario Bros. winning the contest? Eh, no. Final Fantasy and Zelda both have tons of games in their series and both of them have really strong games. We know the top two series in this site prefers; no real new light shed on the winner with this match.

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 5:51:33 AM | message detail
Yeah, this match does make me feel a bit more confident in my Sonic > SSB, MM > MK, and SF > RE picks.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 5:52:52 AM | message detail
imagine the uproar if there were cheated votes of epic proportions in this match.

Well, Halo is going to need to cheat if it wants to win. =p

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 5:54:37 AM | message detail
I see no reason why it shouldn't. Halo and KH are extremely similar in strength and today's match kills the "will vote for strongest single game" theory. KH2 would have had to have a HUGE effect for it not to happen. I'm very, VERY happy with my picks right now, and since MasterMage has the same bracket as me except for getting Pokemon right, I congratulate him in advance for his perfect bracket.

XD

Since you're so kind, I'll tell ya what. If I do get a perfect bracket, I'll let you help me pick one of my games.
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ThatsRidiculous | Posted 7/8/2006 5:54:47 AM | message detail
imagine the uproar if there were cheated votes of epic proportions in this match.

If Castlevainia keeps this up for another hour or two, I'll seriously be doubting its credibillity...

...or maybe Castlevainia the series rocks the night and day.
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Layzerbeam | Posted 7/8/2006 5:56:24 AM | message detail
I don't understand why this board thinks RE will beat SF. I just don't understand.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 5:56:32 AM | message detail

...or maybe Castlevainia the series rocks the night and day.


Well if you people would stop thinking SotN and Alucard predict the trends of a series that spans every console imaginable, maybe we would all be thinking this!!

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/8/2006 5:56:42 AM | message detail
So um, do you guys think Soma could be someone interesting (read not completely fodder) in the next character battle?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 5:57:45 AM | message detail
If Castlevainia keeps this up for another hour or two, I'll seriously be doubting its credibillity...

...or maybe Castlevainia the series rocks the night and day.


Well, 25% of Castlevania fans have their favorite Castlevania game as one on NES OR SNES...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/8/2006 5:57:47 AM | message detail
well, the only pick that doesn't look good right now is SSB > Sonic.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 5:58:25 AM | message detail
I can't say I would draw that conclusion from this match here. He wouldn't be complete fodder, but I doubt he's something really noteworthy in strength.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 5:58:57 AM | message detail
I don't understand why this board thinks RE will beat SF. I just don't understand.

Well, RE4 is really a big reason. It just seems to have an overall bigger presence at GameFAQs to me.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 5:59:09 AM | message detail
Street Fighter has 53 games in its series

More like 53 versions of five or six games.
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Who Cares? | Posted 7/8/2006 6:00:01 AM | message detail
I'd much rather see what Soma can do than see guys like Vyse, Laharl, & Conker stink up the contest for yet another year...and I like Vyse & Laharl!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 6:00:06 AM | message detail
I don't understand why this board thinks RE will beat SF. I just don't understand.

Neither do I. How n earth can RE beat SF if TES does it first?
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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 6:00:15 AM | message detail
I don't understand why this board thinks RE will beat SF. I just don't understand.

Resident Evil has had multiple games on multiple consoles, including the huge RE4. SF won't be much stronger than SF2, if it's stronger at all. Nobody really cares about fighting games here apart from SSBM.

FWIW, I did have SF as my original pick. Then I remembered RE4 and swapped to RE.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 6:01:41 AM | message detail
More like 53 versions of five or six games.

Oh, definitely. Hell, various versions of SF2 account for 14 million of the 24 million sales for the series. >>

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 6:01:46 AM | message detail
Ya know what sucks? If I ever get on the leaderboard, I don't get any fame or glory because my universal name on this account is JDMS. No one will have any idea that's me.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/8/2006 6:02:52 AM | message detail
Yeah, I was pretty much stretching things on most of those matches. I do think that this match eliminates all doubt on SF vs. ES though.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/8/2006 6:02:54 AM | message detail
SF won't be much stronger than SF2, if it's stronger at all. Nobody really cares about fighting games here apart from SSBM.

Just like Castlevania won't be stronger than Sotn right? >_>
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Layzerbeam | Posted 7/8/2006 6:04:41 AM | message detail
I think you are giving RE4 too much credit.

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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 6:04:46 AM | message detail
Just like Castlevania won't be stronger than Sotn right?

Castlevania has god knows how many games and they're all different. Street Fighter has trillions of incarnations of effectively the same game. Two games if you count SFA as being different.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 6:05:03 AM | message detail
Just like Castlevania won't be stronger than Sotn right? >_>

Really not such a great comparison. :P

If you actually think about it, Castlevania is kind of like two different series rolled into one. You have the pre-PSX sidescrolling platformers, and the post-SNES Castleroids.

Street Fighter, as a series, is really just two games. Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 3. Outside of them, no one really cares too much.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 6:05:57 AM | message detail
I think you are giving RE4 too much credit.

Resident Evil has at least three extremely popular games though. RE, RE2, and RE4.
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Starion | Posted 7/8/2006 6:06:22 AM | message detail
Then I remembered RE4 and swapped to RE

I also factored in the RE remake and the not as good but still decent RE0 when deciding Resident Evil's chances. Figured that the more hardcore Nintendo fans would support RE with that reason in mind.
Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/8/2006 6:07:08 AM | message detail
That's nonsense, that's just like saying that Resident Evil just are 3 games. The traditional Re games, Re outbreak and RE4.

Heck RE has one game going for it. No one would even consider RE > SF if it wasn't for RE4.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 6:08:02 AM | message detail
wtf at that last update. Some of these spike in votes castlevania is making seem less then legitimate somehow. I really don't want there to be cheating in this match... but this just seems really damn odd.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 6:08:10 AM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 was huge. We're talking series "revival" -- perhaps not the best word, but hopefully you get the idea -- huge.

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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 6:09:40 AM | message detail
Some of these spike in votes castlevania is making seem less then legitimate somehow.

It's pretty normal fluctuation really.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 6:10:09 AM | message detail
Eh, Castlevania has some inconsistent updates every now and then, but nothing that makes me think "cheating."

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 6:10:52 AM | message detail
I've noticed that every match we pay close attention to, we notice strange patterns and suspect cheating. That leads me to believe that they're actually not strange patterns at all.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 6:10:54 AM | message detail
Yeah, RE4 was definitely very big for the RE series. It needed a title of that magnitude to revive it, or it wouldn't have a hope in hell in being remotely strong in a contest setting. I'm talking SH except ever so slightly less pathetic here.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 6:11:27 AM | message detail
Nominate Soma Cruz for SC2k6!
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Starion | Posted 7/8/2006 6:12:31 AM | message detail
It does seem strange but Castlevania doesn't strike me as a series that would garner a massive amount of cheat votes. I'd expect Halo, GTA , or any Blizzard game to possibly have those but it sounds too farfetched for Castlevania.
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 6:12:58 AM | message detail
I've noticed that every match we pay close attention to, we notice strange patterns and suspect cheating. That leads me to believe that they're actually not strange patterns at all.

Such as?

The lastmatch I remember being this suspect was kefka vs. vercetti. I'm not sure what's going on; it just seems strange. Maybe I'm being paranoid though, but CV fluxuates hugely on some updates, to the point where it's hard not to suspect something.

I have no idea why on earth anyone would cheat for something already this far ahead though.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 6:17:00 AM | message detail
5,500 lead now and no signs of CV slowing yet.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/8/2006 6:18:14 AM | message detail
5,502 vote lead, huh?

I woke up just in time. CV's dark soul is about to be filled with LIIIIIIGHT.
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Layzerbeam | Posted 7/8/2006 6:19:33 AM | message detail
Hay guyz look what the cat dragged in!

fedor | Posted 7/8/2006 6:07:11 AM | message detail | #010
and i'm winning this whole damn tournament. There's no more M Bison to slow me down this time.

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Phediuk | Posted 7/8/2006 6:20:14 AM | message detail
Halo, you're breaking my heart! ;_;

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Slowflake | Posted 7/8/2006 6:20:33 AM | message detail
Wow. Looks like my 6000-vote lead projection wasn't fiction. But still, it looks like it's way too much for Halo to overcome.
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voltch | Posted 7/8/2006 6:21:12 AM | message detail
omg castlevania is winning updates by 20 votes instead of 40!
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