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swirIdude | Posted 7/8/2006 1:56:10 PM | message detail

You'll hear lots of "Why did EGM lie about Sonic in SSBM?" cries. If Sonic was in, perhaps fans of both would overwhelmingly go to SSB.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 1:56:21 PM | message detail

You better believe it!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

andaca | Posted 7/8/2006 1:56:21 PM | message detail

I will say that on the off-chance it wasn't actually Starcraft's fault, but SSBM overperforming on FFVII, that SSB is in a HELL of a lot of trouble come Sonic.

Yes, I'm sure that SSBM over performed by 20,000 votes.

Or, you know, maybe Castlevania is a hell of a lot stronger than SotN. Maybe that makes more sense.

swirIdude | Posted 7/8/2006 1:58:01 PM | message detail

The handheld Castlevanias really did a good job expanding the audience, if this match is any indication.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 1:58:45 PM | message detail

You once again ignore SotN and how badly Goldeneye got SFFed. SotN is still a big part, yo.

And if you really wanted to get deep, there's also Soul Calibur. One can be written off, but two...?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:00:14 PM | message detail

And if all this is Castlevania being a hell of a lot stronger than SotN, SSB is in that much more trouble. How many games does Sonic have, again?
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Ayvuir | Posted 7/8/2006 2:00:38 PM | message detail

Soul Blade!!!!!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:01:54 PM | message detail

Soul Blade is the only game in that series I've played, heh. Still own it, actually.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

transience | Posted 7/8/2006 2:04:20 PM | message detail

I think CV/KH will help us predict SSB/Sonic. if this is CV's natural strength, it'll give KH a fight. if KH rolls over it, I'd put my money on SSB.

MM/MK will help predict it as well. classic series with a zillion games vs. Mario spinoff series.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:05:42 PM | message detail

I thought Mega Man Zillion was far inferior to Mega Man 28
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:07:34 PM | message detail

That is true. If Castlevania can pull the same number on Kingdom Hearts next round, Sonic's chances look better.

On a completely unrelated side note, the woman who won Wimbledon looks like a man.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 2:07:46 PM | message detail

I think CV/KH will help us predict SSB/Sonic. if this is CV's natural strength, it'll give KH a fight. if KH rolls over it, I'd put my money on SSB.

Sonic/Devil May Cry will already have proven whether or not the Sonic series has any strength.
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capatillistpiglet | Posted 7/8/2006 2:09:39 PM | message detail

For me, Sonic does have a large amount of games but really has run out of steam lately. Expect DMC to give it a good run for it's money. Then again, I could say the exact same thing about Castlevania.
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fingerlickngood | Posted 7/8/2006 2:09:55 PM | message detail

wow this is a great topic, how did you come up with all that? i could have used this when i was making my bracket

dethfdddddh | Posted 7/8/2006 2:11:23 PM | message detail

Nice push by Vania. Are we into the evening vote yet?
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 2:11:57 PM | message detail

who won Wimbledon? I want to catch Federer-Nadal tomorrow morning, but there's no way I'll be up. grrr.

Sonic/Devil May Cry will already have proven whether or not the Sonic series has any strength.

agreed, though I don't think DMC is much at all here. Sonic would have to go into the 70's to really scare me.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:11:57 PM | message detail

Whoa, Castlevania just got an update like it was night time again.

For the record, that was Halo being fluky that time. Still, Castlevania has only lost 1.3% with the day vote so far, which is rather impressive.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:12:31 PM | message detail

who won Wimbledon?

Amelie Mauresmo.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Slowflake | Posted 7/8/2006 2:13:21 PM | message detail

It may be starting soon.

*checks more closely*

Castlevania's increasing its PERCENTAGE? Holy cow, KH is in for a damn good fight next round, I think.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 2:14:25 PM | message detail

KH might be in for a good fight to stay above 40%...
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 2:22:01 PM | message detail

I'd be shocked if CV was held below 40%. I'd say... 55-45, at the moment. in KH's favour of course.

I'm curious about the prediction percentage of this match... I don't think it's nearly as low as the board's. I'd say 45% or so.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:23:39 PM | message detail

I believe he was implying that KH would struggle to get itself above 40%.

And yeah...for all this, my logic still dictates that if you put a gun to my head, I pick KH here. But I would have done the same with this match, and all it would have accomplished would have been my brains getting blown out.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:23:52 PM | message detail

I don't think anyone's saying Castlevania won't get 40% against Kingdom Hearts. He's actually saying quite the opposite.

But Castlevania will struggle to break 40% in prediction percentage! 39.99% of the brackets, yo!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:24:07 PM | message detail

The same with Halo, rather.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 2:25:31 PM | message detail

agreed, though I don't think DMC is much at all here. Sonic would have to go into the 70's to really scare me.

Well, to reword it... Sonic/Devil May Cry will have already proven whether the Sonic series is weak or not. If Devil May Cry breaks 40%, Sonic is finished.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/8/2006 2:27:15 PM | message detail

All round one matches with <50% Prediction Percentage:

1. StarCraft over Halo: 24.09%
2. Knuckles over Magus: 35.08%
3. Vivi over Donkey Kong: 35.13%
4. Tommy Vercetti over Kefka: 37.66%
5. Pac-Man over Revolver Ocelot: 38.36%
6. Master Hand over Kuja: 39.11%
7. Shadow over Wario: 42.10%
8. Morrigan over Spyro: 42.30%
9. KOS-MOS over Crash: 42.50%
10. Knuckles over Kefka: 43.05%
11. Kefka over Pac-Man 43.50%
12. Leon Kennedy over Gordon Freeman: 43.62%
13. Tina Armstrong over Gordon Freeman: 43.70%
14. Frog over Liquid Snake: 44.33%
15. Kingdom Hearts over Soul Calibur: 45.45%
16. Miles "Tails" Prower over Viewtiful Joe: 46.30%
17. Zero over Scorpion: 47.30%
18. Ganondorf over Tidus: 47.70%
19. Super Mario RPG over Street Fighter II: 47.83%
20. XenoGears over Pokemon G/S/C: 48.20%
21. Diablo over Ridley: 48.32%
22. Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine: 48.56%

Where does this match fall? Could it go as high as second?
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 2:28:16 PM | message detail

The only thing this match proves is you cant judge ANY of these matches by the Games or Character contest. I thought, like many, that people's feeling about certain games would fairly reflect on the series as well. If this match proves anything it is that isnt true.

Expect more suprises.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:30:12 PM | message detail

I thought, like many, that people's feeling about certain games would fairly reflect on the series as well.

I still have no idea why people thought that. People may not take the entire series one by one in individual voting, but the entire series DOES get taken into consideration one way or another by the entire voting pool.

That may not make sense to you, but I know exactly what I mean.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 2:33:29 PM | message detail

I feel the same way Leonhart. Really, the logic behind this contest seems so simple to me, but a lot of people can't seem to think of how to look at it...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:33:30 PM | message detail

I do, too. I consider the Mario series better than any series out there, including Metal Gear. This is despite the fact that I find every Metal Gear Solid game to be superior to the best Mario game.

I don't even take it into consideration. When I think of the Mario series, I don't think of any specific game. I think of an entire series of great games.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:34:35 PM | message detail

But then again, that's why I'd really like to see Chrono in this contest. I considered myself in the minority on that one.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:36:40 PM | message detail

Yeah, seeing how Chrono would have performed would be interesting. I suppose we'll be able to guestimate based off of Halo and SSB, though it likely has a more diverse fanbase between Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. Plus, there's the "Love one, hate the other" issue.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 2:40:42 PM | message detail

I think Chrono after watching this match might not have performed well. Chrono Cross just isnt liked that much and I think would have detracted from the votes the series got.

But I actually think this match proves to me even more that Sonic is going to lose SSB. Sonic's recent games have been not well received and I think they might detracted from the series as a whole. I can say personally I used to consider Sonic one of my favorite series, but I havent enjoyed a Sonic game since the original Adventure and it has really taken away a lot of my nostalgia.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:42:26 PM | message detail

But I actually think this match proves to me even more that Sonic is going to lose SSB.

...How?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 2:43:08 PM | message detail

Haha!

Castlevania with an 8,000+ lead? Hell yes.

It not only held strong during the day, but actually increased its lead over the course of it! Metal Gear v. Castlevania is happening!

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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 2:43:23 PM | message detail

The Adventure games won't hurt Sonic at all. If anything, they created a new school fanbase for Sonic. UNFORTUNATELY, the same can't be said of Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Heroes. If anything can hurt a series' image, it's them... <_<;
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 2:43:35 PM | message detail

Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/8/2006 2:43:51 PM | message detail

...How?

I think he covered that. >>;
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:45:27 PM | message detail

Actually, I was wondering how you reached that particular conclusion from THIS match, not why you believe that in the first place.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:45:52 PM | message detail

Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 have a pretty healthy following and fanbase. Sure, it's nothing compared to the old-school games, and there's nothing like alienation, but the same 'diversity' theory that's been tossed around for FF should come into play for Sonic too, if it holds true.

Sonic Heroes takes hits, although it also has its fanbase. It doesn't deserve the hate it gets. I will admit that if anything takes away from the series it's StH, but I hope we Sonic fans can adopt a 'DMC2' approach with that one...
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jonthomson | Posted 7/8/2006 2:46:27 PM | message detail

People seem to be forgetting about Sonic Spinball. That game was godlike.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:46:50 PM | message detail

UNFORTUNATELY, the same can't be said of Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Heroes. If anything can hurt a series' image, it's them... <_<;

Sonic Heroes isn't as poorly received as some like to think. Shadow the Hedgehog, on the other hand...Well, it might appeal to those who were too young when Sonic games were on the Genesis............
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Yesmar | Posted 7/8/2006 2:46:52 PM | message detail

I just said my reason. You take the first three Sonic games and then what do you got? The rest of the series has almost no fanfare. Adventure does. Maybe Sonic CD. Seriously, Sonic series above anything else is CARRIED by its early games. The series has been terrible recently.

Personally, I would take Sonic Adventure 2 over any Castlevania game other than Symphony of the Night. In regards to recent games, I would say Sonic has just enough support as Castlevania.
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 2:47:36 PM | message detail

Also, I think I underestimated the Castlevania GBA games and their effect. After seeing Pokemon do better than most expected I should have realized that portable games were going to matter.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/8/2006 2:47:47 PM | message detail

You take the first three Sonic games and then what do you got?

Sonic & Knuckles...

*runs*
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 2:48:38 PM | message detail

I think people are overanalyzing some of this stuff...
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Layzerbeam | Posted 7/8/2006 2:48:55 PM | message detail

Sonic 2. My choice.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/8/2006 2:49:04 PM | message detail

Knuckles > overanalyzing
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ESY16 | Posted 7/8/2006 2:49:07 PM | message detail

Indeed...
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NewLib | Posted 7/8/2006 2:49:09 PM | message detail

Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic III are like one in my mind. I know I should have said four, but thats what I meant.
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