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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:05:13 AM | message detail
DK gained consistently until about 11am EST, or 8am PST. this is going to hit 3000 votes without a problem.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 7/8/2006 12:06:19 AM | message detail
Another medium increase. Well, I'm REALLY going to bed this time.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 12:08:37 AM | message detail
Hmm. In that case, Castlevania should have no problems clearing 3,000. It's already above 2,000 with a ton of time to work with. I suppose in the early morning hours Halo will start to really slow Castlevania down, though, but yeah. Castlevania is looking mighty good right now, I think.

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HaRRicH | Posted 7/8/2006 12:09:26 AM | message detail
Were poll-time starts at 3 AM Eastern back during the Game Contest? If so, C:SotN hit its stabalized peak at 5:41 AM against Goldeneye (47.54%) and hit its low seventeen hours later at 10:41 PM (40.14%) -- between those times, except for a seven-hour stall at 43.##%, Castlevania steadily and quickly dropped. So, there's a 7.4% difference there...and I would think the Halo series would be more of a day-time beast than Goldeneye was. So, time will tell what happens tomorrow, but I'm not fretting.

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 7/8/2006 12:11:34 AM | message detail
Ouch!

I hope this keeps up.
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:13:28 AM | message detail
yeah, I'd say Castlevania has this unless Halo does something completely unprecedented. I think it holds on to about a 900 vote lead for the win. we'll see.

high vote totals are going to favour it. let me check the vote totals as compared to our highest match:

at 12:10 PST:

Zelda/Civ - 22808
CV/Halo - 25173

yeah, we're looking at about 120k for this match, which is about 22000 higher than DK/MC. so there's still hope.. but Halo has to slow CV down before noon.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/8/2006 12:18:39 AM | message detail
To feel safe I'd ask for a bigger lead than 2300 against Halo. Of course it'll get a bigger lead, But considering Halo's peak hours and the poll time change I think it's capable of also making a bigger comeback (CV has more time to make an early lead but virtually no time to regain ground towards the end).
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:21:33 AM | message detail
well if you look at DK/MC, MC kept gaining all the way until the end of the poll. I'm not sure if that would repeat with CV though.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/8/2006 12:24:30 AM | message detail
No, I'm fairly sure it wouldn't DK doesn't even have a night vote, far as I'm concerned. CV can possibly make some ground back up, but it's not going to be to the degree it once was. Due to that, if Halo comes up on top for more than an hour I think it stays on top. We're basically left waiting to see what Halo can actually do during the day (and how misserably weak CV gets at the same time).
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:28:07 AM | message detail
also, I think that if Halo makes it close, rallying and other such things might come into play. I don't know what sites usually link here, so I'm not sure where to look. needless to say I'm not in touch with the Halo community.

up to 2400 now... this might shoot past 3000 with ease.
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voltch | Posted 7/8/2006 12:28:31 AM | message detail
if this match gets 120k can anyone here really see castlevania getting more 60k in this match?
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:31:59 AM | message detail
*looks at 15k in three and a half hours*

uh, yep.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:33:08 AM | message detail
Yeah, the thing about MC/DK is that people don't keep in mind that DK actually has a pretty solid day vote when compared to his night vote. Castlevania, to put it plainly, has sucked it up with the day vote in virtually every single one of its matches. On a relative scale, perhaps more than any other competitor (even Snake! <_<).

The daylight is going to come like a firestorm, for Halo AND against Castlevania. This match ain't over yet.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 12:33:09 AM | message detail
2,449 right now. I'm almost expecting nearly 4,000 before Halo does anything ...

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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:35:01 AM | message detail
DK has a strong day vote? he started off strong vs. Fisher and dropped the rest of the day. (I have no idea if Fisher's day vote is good or not though.)
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 12:35:59 AM | message detail
For what it's worth, I think DK has a much stronger day vote than Alucard.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:36:14 AM | message detail
Meh, I wouldn't have a clue with Fisher (though he's traditionally associated with XBox, so there ya go). I was more drawing from DK/Vercetti in terms of trends.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 12:37:50 AM | message detail
Ouch, CV is absolutely killing halo right now. Surprisingly, if CV is just as bad as alucard with the day vote, this still might not be over quite yet. It's looking very good for CV though.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:38:35 AM | message detail
Contest Contestants Traditionally Associated With XBox, by the by:

Master Chief
Ryu Hayabusa
Sam Fisher (SC started off as an XBox exclusive, and sells the best on XBox)

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 12:41:10 AM | message detail
Well, on the bright side, CV isn't getting 100 vote updates anymore.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 12:42:48 AM | message detail
A quick note: I initially had the CV > Halo upset pick, but decided against it. Then in my absolute brilliance, I changed my pick again from KH > Halo to halo > KH and MG about 24 hours before brackets closed... You can all proceed to laugh at me now.

wtf was I thinking?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:43:26 AM | message detail
Oh! Conker, and...um...maybe Joanna Dark now that PDZ is out...other than that, those are all the XBox associated characters I can think of.

I'd expect them all to do better in the day as well.
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 12:47:16 AM | message detail
Well, on the bright side, CV isn't getting 100 vote updates anymore.


and for good reason - it's getting later and less votes are being made. the last update was 60-40 exactly, the biggest update yet percentage-wise.

found TV/DK's updates on NGamer's archives:

http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/TommyVsDKupdates.txt

DK didn't exactly stage a huge comeback. I'd say he's average at the day vote, whereas CV is flat out bad. hmm, maybe there's still a good chance yet.. I always figured that DK sucked in the day due to the way MC abused him last year and how he lost percentage vs. SF.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:51:21 AM | message detail
Oh, he's nothing great with it by any means, but he will use it from time to time. DK/Aya is another great example of him actually using the day vote to WIN a match, though Aya was a niche Square beast and we all know how that turns out in terms of voting trends...

DK seems to have a lackluster start, picks up slightly during the day...and then as the evening comes he just starts to throw his opponents votes like it's Christmas in July. That's how the big ape rolls; jolly old thing!
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/8/2006 12:55:06 AM | message detail
I'm looking at yesterday's match, and Fire Emblem began to roll with the day vote exactly eight hours into the match. If we assume Halo makes its move at around the same time, Chief has to bite the bullet for about four more hours. Of course, there are two questions:

1. What kind of lead will Castlevania have in four hours?
2. Will it really be as bad with the day vote as Halo fans are hoping (hell, it's obviously more recognizable than Alucard)?
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Ayvuir | Posted 7/8/2006 12:55:27 AM | message detail
I initially had the CV > Halo upset pick, but decided against it

I dont understand how Castlevania over Halo is an upset pick?! Castlevania with its history and much wider game base is a sure fire win. Halo is an XBox game, with 2 in its series, need i say more?

Also Alucard's plan...
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 12:55:42 AM | message detail
We don't call him the contests greatest choke artist for nothing. If CV keeps getting updates like this, its going to create too big of a lead for anything to overcome, even halo. Then again, alucard is so completely and utterly horrid with the day vote, I don't know quite what to think.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 12:57:34 AM | message detail
Castlevania: SotN is more recognizable than Alucard, too. It still ended up losing 7% from its peak against Goldeneye after all was said and done.

Not to mention going 50/50 with a game it otherwise blew out...
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 12:57:35 AM | message detail
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 12:59:17 AM | message detail
Well, according to Ngamer at the update topic, SotN began to fall apart against Goldeneye at about 5:41 AM EST. It dropped about 7% from that point to the end of the poll.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 12:59:29 AM | message detail
I dont understand how Castlevania over Halo is an upset pick?! Castlevania with its history and much wider game base is a sure fire win. Halo is an XBox game, with 2 in its series, need i say more?

So what you're saying is madden nfl > halo?

Castlevania is very niche when compared to halo. If you want other reasons for why this is an upset, you can consult just about every stat ever compiled on halo...
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Ayvuir | Posted 7/8/2006 1:00:44 AM | message detail
You can't compare Madden to Castlevania, that's just completely not getting what i'm saying.

Fan base wise on here CV is much more well respected. Madden is just a bit of a joke
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 1:00:46 AM | message detail
Let's have some more Starcraft related fun!

Hmm...what's the strongest game you can see Starcraft breaking 60% on? Be honest, now.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 1:01:17 AM | message detail
Well, according to Ngamer at the update topic, SotN began to fall apart against Goldeneye at about 5:41 AM EST. It dropped about 7% from that point to the end of the poll.

...Holy crap. It did that badly in the day against halo? I knew sotn did poorly in the daytime, but... holy crap, that bad?

Then again, I probably shouldn't be too surprised. I mean alucard actually lost a few updates to kratos in the day; someone who he beat 60/40.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 1:02:55 AM | message detail
You can't compare Madden to Castlevania, that's just completely not getting what i'm saying.

You stated a long running series was a reason for CV beating halo... so it's actually exactly what you were saying.

Fan base wise on here CV is much more well respected. Madden is just a bit of a joke

Fire Emblem > Halo?
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 1:05:58 AM | message detail
Well, according to Ngamer at the update topic, SotN began to fall apart against Goldeneye at about 5:41 AM EST. It dropped about 7% from that point to the end of the poll.

I think that's 4:41, actually. could be wrong here!

Hmm...what's the strongest game you can see Starcraft breaking 60% on? Be honest, now.

I know what you're getting at here. Starcraft is so fluky that I don't trust it to ever get 60%. maybe, um.... Mario RPG? I don't know, it really depends on what you think of the games around it. I personally believe that Starcraft outperforms Melee on FF7, so take that as you will.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 1:15:22 AM | message detail
Ew, Starcraft is projected to get a mere 63% on Mario RPG...though there is the idea that it took Something Fishy courtesy of Chrono Trigger, I guess.

I would have actually said Metal Gear.

...the original Metal Gear!
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 1:16:43 AM | message detail
Castlevania should be reaching 3000 vote lead in a couple of updates.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 1:18:00 AM | message detail
I don't know, it's hard to tell just how much cheating starcraft got. In it's matchagainst kh for instance, I don't think it got any significant vote rallying/cheating/ whatever because it was never in danger of losing the match.
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misterchief02 | Posted 7/8/2006 1:18:48 AM | message detail
This whole poll is stupid. you can't compare CV to Halo. They are completely different. That's like saying Burnout is better than Oblivion cause it has more cars!
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/8/2006 1:19:32 AM | message detail
...the heck?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 1:19:38 AM | message detail
It is!

That is why Zelda will lose to Metal Gear. Not enough cars. Good thing for MG GTA's at the other side of the bracket!
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 1:19:46 AM | message detail
I nominate that for most useful post of the year.

SC only does what is necessary... why cheat/rally when you've got the lead?
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 1:20:50 AM | message detail
This whole poll is stupid. you can't compare CV to Halo. They are completely different. That's like saying Burnout is better than Oblivion cause it has more cars!

Yeah, but oblivion has TSF (the steed factor) working for it in that case. Go immortal horse whose name I can't remember at the moment, go!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 1:21:08 AM | message detail
Surprisingly, if CV is just as bad as alucard with the day vote, this still might not be over quite yet. It's looking very good for CV though.

I would imagine that Castlevania would be better than Alucard with the day vote, even with SotN's drastic fall of 7%. I think the name "Castlevania" should have enough of a namesake not to completely drop the ball during the day. It has built up a lead of 2,800 votes right now, and it should clearly pass 3,000 in a few more updates. It's already approaching the "point of no return" and even with Halo's massive day vote, 3,000 votes is nowhere near a guarantee.

The voting has slowed down considerably, but Castlevania should still get enough of the remaining votes in this timeframe to build up, say, a 3,500+ vote lead before Halo even begins its charge back with the day vote. The most recent update (4:15 AM EST) saw Castlevania getting 60 votes, which may or may not be a bit above what it usually is pulling in (someone would have to confirm that for me). It's lead is now at 2,914. It's basically at 3,000 already -- and continually rising -- so Halo is going to definitely have its work cut out for it, massive day vote or no.

Right now, I'm feeling really confident in saying that Castlevania will be able to hold on and pull out a victory. Halo is going to have to really do some pushing with that day vote to retake the lead from Castlevania. If the time yoblazer pointed out is any indication of when the day vote might begin (7:00 AM EST), Castlevania is going to have a ton of time to build a lead. 4,000 votes, as I mentioned earlier, might well be in the question, if not higher. I don't think anything has turned that around before, not even Halo. That kind of deficit almost requires less than legit voting.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/8/2006 1:22:35 AM | message detail
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/8/2006 1:22:56 AM | message detail
I'd find it hilarious if just as CV's vote lead gets to 3000, Halo begins its charge.
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transience | Posted 7/8/2006 1:23:17 AM | message detail
I'm wondering if the Nintendo CV titles will help it out with the day vote. Alucard and SOTN don't have either of those on its side.

..bah, I'm overanalyzing this match. time to go do something else!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/8/2006 1:25:29 AM | message detail
With halos probably day vote, and castlvanias probably day vote, I'm not sure if it's impossible yet. If CV is every bit as crappy with it as SOTN and Alucard, which I don't personally see why it wouldn't, halo does have some chance at coming back. A 4,000 vote lead would be nice for CV, but I'm not sure if it can attain it or not yet.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/8/2006 1:26:25 AM | message detail
3,000 vote barrier broken!


Castlevania leads with 3,046!!

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