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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 302

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 1:53:46 PM | message detail
That picture is overly colorful and cutesy for my taste.

We better be getting older and more badass Sora next round against Chief.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/6/2006 1:53:52 PM | message detail
Ahem. Roy is the left most character in the Fire Emblem picture. <<

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/6/2006 1:55:25 PM | message detail
I'm almost convinced Castlevania wins based upon that death stare from Simon alone. He looks like he's going to kill anyone who votes for Halo.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/6/2006 1:56:28 PM | message detail
Bah, Ceej used weird-red-hair-Simon. But Soma and Alucard look cool.

And Roy's in that FE pic...it's just Sealed Sword Roy as opposed to Melee Roy.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 1:56:38 PM | message detail
Oh wow, it is. I didn't notice it before from the quick glance.

Still, I was expecting SSBM Roy (spikey hair and all)
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/6/2006 1:59:19 PM | message detail
Also, given the style of the pics, we're probably going to see something like Cloud, Squall, and Tidus (with Kefka overlooking them, uwhee he he!), which sounds painful for FF's opponents.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 2:01:13 PM | message detail
Moogle and Chocobo vs. Diablo.

GOGOGOGOGO!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 2:26:21 PM | message detail
Random Moogle would crush Kefka and give Diablo a good run. BOOK IT!~

And all this picture discussion is distracting you guys from laughing at Ulti. =(
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 7/6/2006 2:28:32 PM | message detail
I like all those pics, but damn did SH get the blurry pic <_<
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Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 2:30:25 PM | message detail
Just for fun, I decided to go through all the previous contests and check out the fodder vs. fodder matches we've had. Ceej's bracket balancing has certainly improved since 2k2.

The Grand Analysis of The Matches Between Two Losers No One Cares About (aka the Freeman Fun Club)

2002:

Morrigan Aensland vs. Spyro the Dragon

I realize Morrigan looked pretty damn strong in 2k2, but try to tell me with a straight face that these two losers wouldn't stink up the house nowadays. Just try.

Aya Brea vs. Terry Bogard

In an Aya vs. DK rematch, DK doubles Aya. At minimum.

Duke Nukem vs. Iori Yagami

I'm actually rather curious as to how Duke would do after/if Duke Nukem Forever's released.

Pikachu vs. Parapper the Rapper

Do you think Pikachu would do better or worse now than in 2k2?

Lara Croft vs. Chop Chop Master Onion

How in the HELL did Chop Chop ever make the cut? And would Lara do better post-TR Legend or is she still crap?

Ryo Hazuki vs. Guybrush Threepwood

XD, this was back in the day when people still cared about Shenmue. Ryo Hazuki would be a prime contender for last place in any contest held nowadays.

Tina Armstrong vs. Gordon Freeman

Is Freeman even fodder anymore? He looked a helluva lot stronger with HL2 under his belt.

Pac-Man vs. Goemon

XD at Pac-Man getting 72% on ANYTHING. If there was a Pac-Man/Goemon rematch right now, does Pac do better or worse?

Kyo Kusanagi vs. Abe

I seriously had to think for a solid 30 seconds about who these guys even were. Abe's from Oddworld and I believe Kyo is from KoF. It's almost painful to think how weak these two would be in a contest nowadays.

Scorpion vs. Kazuya Mishima

If Scorpion faces Link today, Link gets 80+% on him. Mortal Kombat ain't getting any stronger, and Scorpion was already borderline fodder in 2k2.

Max Payne vs. Dirk the Daring

XD, this was when Max freaking Payne was able to make the cut. I'm still shocked that this match got less votes then stuff like Kyo vs. Abe or Sam vs. Driller. Max is at least semi-semi-recognizable, isn't he?

Bomberman vs. Kane

This is the 12th fodder match and I'm not even out of 2k2's first round yet. I had to remind myself about 3 times in a row that the Kane in this match was not the wrestler. Command and Conquer is one of those series whose existence you forget about for a few years, but then you're reminded of it and a wave of nostalgia comes over you. And then you forget about it again.

Strider Hiryu vs. Raziel

If either of these guys could avoid the bottom 10 of whatever bracket they made it into nowadays, I'd be floored. Strider does look pretty damn cool, though.

Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller

Ah, the fodder match to end all fodder matches. Our weakest character of all time versus our 3rd weakest character of all time. To be honest, I'd bank on these two actually doing better nowadays then they did in 2k2, simply because of the larger voter turnout. But I'm talking 62nd place instead of 63rd here.

Crash Bandicoot vs. Ulala

And we reach the end of 2k2's first round. In a match between Crash and Laharl, who wins?

More in next post.
Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 2:30:36 PM | message detail
Lara Croft vs. Ryo Hazuki

XD, these were the days when someone could beat a Shenmue character with less than 60%.

Pac-Man vs. Kyo Kusanagi

Again I had to stop for a few moments and strain to remember who exactly Kyo is. How does an icon like Pac fail to double an absolute 100% no-name like this?

Scorpion vs. Max Payne

And Scorpion continues his ridiculous run through the weakest contest division of all time. Do you think 2k2 South would have exactly the same results if it were done over again now?

Jill Valentine vs. Bomberman

Okay, Jill isn't technically fodder, but after RE4 and Meester Scott Kennedy, no one gives a **** about her anymore. How badly would Leon SFF her in match between the two?

Scorpion vs. Pac-Man

It's almost embarrassing that we're still getting matches like this in Round 3. This was also one of the biggest upsets in the contest, IIRC. Not that it really mattered, since Scorpion got absolutely smoked by Link. Do you think Pac-Man does better if there were a rematch between the two today?

And 2k2 is complete. 'Twil be finished in the next post.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 2:30:41 PM | message detail
That picture looks like Fire Emblem v. Silent Hill 2. Silent Hill is bigger than 2, Ceej!

And I doubt Roy in the picture does anything significant...I didn't even recognize him. As for Ike and Eliwood, I think I speak for the majority of GameFAQs when I say...who?
therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 2:32:43 PM | message detail
In an Aya vs. DK rematch, DK doubles Aya. At minimum.

Ummmm, Parasite Eve was popular ya know. Aya nearly beating Donkey Kong was no fluke.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 2:34:11 PM | message detail
No one will believe us, mnm. Leave them be.

I'd disagree on almost a third of those matches being those against 'absolute losers'. Comparing characters as they were to those of today is pretty ****ing stupid. Jill *did* beat Kirby, y'know.
therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 2:35:23 PM | message detail
And Strider would still beat a number of characters in today's contest. Bottom 10 my ass.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/6/2006 2:38:10 PM | message detail
Our weakest character of all time

Tanner.

Unless you think Snake is the third weakest character of all time and accidentally wrote about a 2k2 match... which would make Knuckles second... and Magus the weakest... which certainly makes Ganondorf look weaker than CATS.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/6/2006 2:38:47 PM | message detail
As for Ike and Eliwood, I think I speak for the majority of GameFAQs when I say...who?

Fire Emblem 7 (the one that got into the Games Contest) is where Eliwood's from and Fire Emblem : Path of Radiance (GCN) is where Ike is from.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 2:41:28 PM | message detail
I stand by my original statement with its implications concerning GameFAQs and its lack of knowledge of Fire Emblem.

...not that Silent Hill does any better, of course.
KamikazePotato | Posted 7/6/2006 2:44:22 PM | message detail
I don't know why you're complaining about FE's pic when it's opponent is, as someone said, a blurry cluster ****.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 2:46:42 PM | message detail
I'm complaining about Fire Emblem's pic? News to me.

I'm just saying Roy's presence in the picture isn't going to be the reason Fire Emblem does any better in this match, because SSBM fans simply aren't going to recognize him. Fire Emblem's going to be doing this all on its own strength (or rather, Silent Hill's lack thereof).
Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 3:01:15 PM | message detail
2003:

KOS-MOS vs. Crash Bandicoot

I know KOS-MOS looked relatively strong at the time, but everyone has long since stopped caring about Xenosaga. KOS-MOS vs. Scorpion. Predict.

Kefka vs. Pac-Man

Trivia: I had Kefka going to the FINALS in my 2k3 bracket. Him vs. Cloud. Ironically, I predicted almost every other debated match in the contest correctly: Cloud over Link, Mega Man over Snake, Mega Man over Vercetti, Mario over Crono, Bowser over Yoshi, Ryu over Dante, Alucard over Kirby, Magus over Ganondorf, Zelda over Lara, Knuckles over Yuna, Kirby over Ramza, and Zero over Scorpion. Still got Squall/Jill, Squall/Luigi, Gordon/Max (go ahead, laugh!), Wario/Shadow, and Master Chief/Felix wrong, though.

Max Payne vs. Gordon Freeman

A memorable quote from Ulti's 2003 analysis: "Gordon Freeman's game is not called Gordon Freeman." I believe this is when the idea of GFNW was first thrown around.

Sp2004:

Metroid vs. Pac-Man

Jesus, who was voting for the original Metroid? The game sucks ass.

Phantasy Star vs. Contra

This was the first match where RPG factor was used as the sole argument for one side. Apparently that was enough to make a freaking Master System game stronger than one of the best-selling games on the NES.

Pong vs. River City Ransom

I remember there was actually talk of a RCR win for this match. To that, I have only to say "LOL".

Tetris vs. Galaga

I was actually surprised at how poorly Tetris did in the X-stats when I went back and looked at the stats. Pitfall vs. Galaga. Predict.

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem

Worst contest match of all time. FFTA is like the joke version of Fire Emblem. FFTA technically isn't fodder going by the X-stats; I just felt like reiterating the fact that FFTA sucks. Badly.

Tetris vs. Pong

Space Invaders vs. Pong. Predict. Gogogogogogo.

2004:

Vyse vs. Laharl

Is it just me, or does this match scream "FODDER" more loudly than any other contest match, ever?

Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine

Remember the days when we thought Hayabusa was the next up-and-coming contest powerhouse? lol.

Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman

Gordon Freeman vs. CATS. Predict.

Sp2005:

Every match that didn't involve Sephiroth, Ganondorf, or Bowser. I'm way too lazy to write them all out.

2005:

Lloyd Irving vs. Albert Wesker

Remember the days when everyone thought Lloyd would match Knuckles in strength? Big fat LOL.

Ceej's bracket-making ability had improved so much by this point that Lloyd/Wesker is actually the only fodder match in the whole contest. Hooray for Ceej.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 3:04:03 PM | message detail
Silent Hill's pic looks like ass, BTW. Fire Emblem should have little trouble with this match.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 3:04:28 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 3:05:09 PM | message detail
lol topics
therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 3:05:35 PM | message detail
wrong topic <_<;
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 7/6/2006 3:09:41 PM | message detail
Wow... would Ceej like to make those pics more one sided for FE & Castlevania? Not that I care so much, because I picked FE, and I don't think it'll make CV > Halo.

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therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 3:11:37 PM | message detail
Wow... would Ceej like to make those pics more one sided for FE & Castlevania? Not that I care so much, because I picked FE, and I don't think it'll make CV > Halo.

Well, what would you expect for Halo? Throw in Arbiter? Some Elites and Grunts?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 3:14:09 PM | message detail
It's not an especially flattering picture of MC, but it works. Throwing in maybe Arbiter and Cortana would be nice.

Or if you really wanted to get on my fanboyish side, toss in Sarge. =D
therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 3:18:17 PM | message detail
Or if you really wanted to get on my fanboyish side, toss in Sarge. =D

I was thinking the same thing, but GameFAQs isn't ready for that type of pure ownage.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 3:20:17 PM | message detail
They literally made up like ten bull**** excuses and stuck them in the novels just so they could have Sarge survive Halo 1 for no reason. THAT'S HARDCORE
therealmnm | Posted 7/6/2006 3:27:33 PM | message detail
Gun: So Johnson, when you gonna tell me how you made it back home in one piece?
Johnson: Sorry Guns, it's classified.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/6/2006 3:29:28 PM | message detail
are you guys, like, quoting Halo? this is board 8!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/6/2006 3:30:34 PM | message detail
Don't make me activate the pulse that will cleanse the galaxy of all sentient life just to get you, tranny
trannyscience | Posted 7/6/2006 3:31:24 PM | message detail
by all means!
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cyko | Posted 7/6/2006 3:46:02 PM | message detail
ooh, new pics!!

my reactions without reading anyone's thoughts, yet -

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse06.jpg


awesome pic for Fire Emblem!! that definitely has casual appeal - anime characters with swords. excellent. and is that both Roy and Marth i see??!! actually.......... i'm not sure......... maybe that's not Marth............. but i think it is.......... and i'm pretty sure the guy on the left is Roy. or maybe it's not...... and is Eliwood on the right? stupid Fire Emblem characters all looking the same. ah, well. still a great pic for FE. as for Silent Hill, i can't even tell what that is. i sort of see a guy's face. blech. game, set , match!!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse07.jpg

hmmm...... nice pic overall. i'm guessing that's Simon, Soma, and Alucard for Castlevania and the new and improved Master Chief for Halo. they both represent their series well.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse08.jpg

holy geez. i think Harvest Moon is trying to defeat Pikachu for the "cutest" match pic ever. yeesh. and Kingdom Hearts looks good. even Roxas made the pic. cool.

overall, they all look good except Silent Hill, which is fine with me.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/6/2006 3:52:44 PM | message detail
I'm feeling really good about both Fire Emblem and Castlevania (lawl 53% on Soul Calibur for Halo) right now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/6/2006 4:03:56 PM | message detail
Match VI: (4) Fire Emblem vs. (5) Silent Hill

Games in series

Fire Emblem (NES, JP1990)
Fire Emblem Gaiden (NES, JP1992)
Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo (SNES, JP1994)
Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (SNES, JP1996)
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (SNES, JP1999)
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi (GBA, JP2002)
Fire Emblem (GBA, 2003)
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones (GBA, 2005)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (GC, 2005)

Silent Hill (PS, 1999)
Silent Hill 2 (PS2, 2001)
Silent Hill 3 (PS2, 2003)
Silent Hill 4: The Room (PS2, 2004)

Analysis:

I’ve never played either of these series so I guess you know how excited I am about this match. Fire Emblem is a RPG that is split into chapters. Each one has a different main character and a slightly different story, but has very similar game play. Silent Hill is a horror game and in Silent Hill weird things happen from monster sightings to disappearances. Each game from the series has a different main character; can they make it out alive?

If one match is not going to break 100k it would be this one. This is the match where neither thing deserves to go to the next round, like Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller, Max vs. Gordon Freeman, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance vs. Fire Emblem, Vyse vs. Laharl, Wesker vs. Luca and Lloyd vs. Wesker from the past. The only saving grace, like most of the matches above is that this match is debatable on who will win.

Even though Fire Emblem has been around longer and has more games, most of them were only released in Japan. The Fire Emblem series made its appearance outside of Japan during 2003 and will probably get most of its strength from Fire Emblem (7). The other two games that were released outside of Japan were during times where support for the GBA and GC were at an all time low. Also the picture vote was supposed to be a big factor for this match, but even though the picture does contain Roy, it isn’t the SSBM version of him that many Fire Emblem supporters were hoping for.

Silent Hill was one of those series where the first game made a huge splash while the rest of the series, whether it was better or worse didn’t make as much noise. Silent Hill also had a movie released not so long ago, but according to various reviews and friends I take it wasn’t that well received and has been mostly forgotten.

There you have it, two series with almost nothing going for both of them other than Fire Emblem being the top choice. Unless there is some sort of glitch in the polls in the future this will be the lowest scoring match and unless this becomes a nail-biter no one will really care what happens in this match.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Fire Emblem over Silent Hill

charmander6000’s Prediction: Fire Emblem wins, 56.27% - 43.73%

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Kaxon | Posted 7/6/2006 4:16:53 PM | message detail
Well, all my optimism about Silent Hill just evaporated when I saw that picture.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/6/2006 4:21:58 PM | message detail
Melee came in the post today. Which one out of FE is in it? Do I need to play the thing for hundreds of hours to unlock it?
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Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 4:22:29 PM | message detail
I don't get why everyone says Castlevania has such a pic advantage over Halo. It's three anime girls versus an instantly recognizable shot of Master Chief.
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Big Bob | Posted 7/6/2006 4:25:44 PM | message detail
Damn this topic! It convinced me to change my oracle pick from 70-30 to 65-35!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/6/2006 4:26:50 PM | message detail
that picture is even. both are well-recognized. as long as you know what it's supposed to be, it's not gonna matter.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/6/2006 4:27:17 PM | message detail
Halo is not an original idea. Read Ringworld.

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Big Bob | Posted 7/6/2006 4:35:45 PM | message detail
My take on the pictures:

FE/SH.

Not bad, but I am pissed that Hector, the most awesome FE character of all time did not make the cut.

CV/Halo.

Decent, though I still think Simon Belmont looks goofy.

KH/HM.

Great picture, though I still would have preferred seeing Sora about to be mauled by a bunch of cows and sheep.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 5:04:35 PM | message detail
Alright, here's a little activity to get a discussion going in here...

What are the Top 10 strongest games released since the spring 2004 contest?

I'll have a go.

1. San Andreas
2. KHII
3. Halo 2
4. RE4
5. MGS3
6. Mario Kart DS
7. Oblivion
8 ...New Super Mario Bros.?
9. ...Devil May Cry 3?
10. ...Fire Emblem...?
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Phediuk | Posted 7/6/2006 5:05:03 PM | message detail
Whoops, forgot Metroid Prime 2.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 7/6/2006 5:06:50 PM | message detail
And Half-Life 2. Also, WoW could probably beat Fire Emblem and Devil May Cry 3.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/6/2006 5:09:27 PM | message detail
God of War?

And SC broke 30%. Moral victory!!
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/6/2006 5:38:10 PM | message detail
Wow, out all of the matches so far this one broke 100k the fastest beating out LoZ/Civilization by 10 min.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/6/2006 5:40:12 PM | message detail
Hey, the Fire Emblem pic turned out pretty good. Ike's awesome, one of the most popular characters of FE9 and apparently sometimes mistaken for Marth. =D Roy is there but no Marth. But if CJayC is using official art, maybe it's better if Marth not be in the picture:
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/fe/fe/art/marus.jpg
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/fe/fe/art/cast1.jpg

Marth does have good official art, but it's more difficult to find which mean CJayC will probably not find it:
http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/feartwork/TCG-Scans/5-001.jpg

Melee came in the post today. Which one out of FE is in it? Do I need to play the thing for hundreds of hours to unlock it?

Marth from FE1 and FE3 and Roy from FE6(although Roy is technically a SSBM character since SSBM came out before FE6). They are pretty easy to get, just try out all the characters.
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