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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 301

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swirIdude | Posted 7/5/2006 3:49:37 PM | message detail
Wait, so the last 5 minutes of voting have been ignored all this time?

Insane.
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smitelf | Posted 7/5/2006 3:54:59 PM | message detail
Haha, looks like I missed HM's humiliation yesterday (I got bitten by something poisonous and have been taking medication for the swelling that has made me sleep through several days now). So now to think of a sig...
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cyko | Posted 7/5/2006 4:00:17 PM | message detail
y'know - the difference between Mario Party and both Mario Kart and MegaMan is that Mario Party is WELLLLLLL beyond it's prime (outside of kids and families - neither of which has much of a prescence on this site). heck, Mario Party probably reached it's prime on the first or second game in the series. after that, the novelty wore off.

the same thing happened to the Classic Mega Man series after the third or fourth game. the games got formulaic, stale, and repetitive. hardly anyone even noticed the releases of Megaman 7 for SNES or Megaman 8 for PSX/SAT. in fact, if not for MMX, the entire Megaman universe might've died off completely. in fact, the main reasons that Mega Man has a remote chance of beating MK is because of nostalgia and the possibility that voters will include ALL Megaman series when deciding what to vote for. outside of Megaman 2 & 3, the classic series was pretty weak.

Mario Kart, on the other hand, is still going strong with the co-op play that was in MK:DD and on-line play in MK:DS. i mean, MK:DS is back in the Top 10 US sales (thanks to the DS Lite), so people are still buying plenty of copies. Mario Kart games are just much more timeless than your average racing game and your average Megaman game.


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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:06:47 PM | message detail
I don't care if Mario Party was in the full-swing of its prime and people were geared up for Mario Party 9.5 by the bushels. Mario Party wouldn't stand a chance against Mega Man.

And you act as though the X series doesn't suffer the same criticism. OMG it's got no chance against Suikoden!
Yesmar | Posted 7/5/2006 4:09:28 PM | message detail
The picture for CATS and the third SC game (when Samus beat the he-holy hell out of Fisher after the second SC released) boosting both of them though, that much, proportionately, as well as DK and MC? Nope, I'll stay with Master Chief/Halo being an oddity instead.


Sam Fisher doesn't get a boost at all.

If you assume that Sam Fisher delivers the same performance on Magus in 2003 that he did in 2005, he still gets roughly the same X-Stat value as if you judge him through his performance against Donkey Kong.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2006 4:09:52 PM | message detail
It's the same for all Mega Man games, except for the wonderful Mega Man Legends!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:11:29 PM | message detail
If you assume that Sam Fisher delivers the same performance on Magus in 2003 that he did in 2005, he still gets roughly the same X-Stat value as if you judge him through his performance against Donkey Kong.

If you assume Magus isn't overrated through Vincent/Crono.

...yeah, I'm not willing to buy that the extent of Magus' overratedness is that he drops from Noble-Nine breaker to near-elite.
cyko | Posted 7/5/2006 4:13:51 PM | message detail
well, i'm not so sure that Megaman X will be significantly stronger than Megaman Classic in the x-stats, anyways. MMX started getting stale after a while, as well. but they tried to take the MMX series in more different directions than the Classic series. head-to-head, i'd take MMX in a heartbeat. but you are running out of arguing points if you're mentioning Suikoden as being anywhere remotely near the same level of popularity as Mario Kart. =P

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:15:48 PM | message detail
I'm not. But you act as though the series growing 'stale' in many people's eyes suddenly gives Mario Kart the advantage. I see FAR less people whining about Suikoden growing stale, and we know what happened there.

Which is the point: there are other factors.
Yesmar | Posted 7/5/2006 4:16:40 PM | message detail
I forgot about Vincent/Crono.

Even if you judge Vincent off of Squall's 2003 ranking, the discrepancy between X-Stat rankings isn't anything major.
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cyko | Posted 7/5/2006 4:17:55 PM | message detail
wait, you're saying Suikoden got stale? that's just plain wrong. Suikoden IV wasn't stale - it sucked. Suikoden V, however, is just plain awesome; much more than another re-hash.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:18:57 PM | message detail
I'm saying it DIDN'T get stale. But that didn't exactly help it against the 'tired' MMX series.

There are other factors to take in.
cyko | Posted 7/5/2006 4:19:20 PM | message detail
wait, never mind, KH. i read that wrong.

yes, there are other factors, but i do believe how much fun the series is to play will be a rather large factor.

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cyko | Posted 7/5/2006 4:20:17 PM | message detail
- especially when comes to two series as widely known as Mario Kart and Mega Man.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:21:19 PM | message detail
Mega Man games aren't as fun as Mario Kart games...?

That's a matter of pure opinion. Like I said before, I hadn't touched the Classic or X series until very recently (until the collections came out, I was merely a Mega Man Legends fanboy). And yet games like MM2 and MMX are held FAR higher in my esteem than any Mario Kart game. And will be far timeless to me, as well.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:21:49 PM | message detail
*far more timeless
therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2006 4:23:34 PM | message detail
Why am I seeing people use Soul Calibur's #51 ranking compared to #8 as indication of Metal Gear destroying Soul Calibur? People have to remember that it is a list based off of a bunch of Top 10 lists. I'd bet that even plenty of Soul Calibur fans don't have the game in their Top 10. If a game is popular but not necessarily Top 10 worthy in a bunch of people's eyes (say top 20-30), it will do horribly in that situation. Think Super Mario Kart, Soul Calibur, etc. Not necessarily a Top 10 game over your Mario's, Zeldas, Final Fantasies, and Metal Gear, but still popular games. That's a flaw of the list that I see few people mention.

For a more accurate list, not only would you need more games to choose from, but you would also need to increase the amount of games you can put in your Top Games List. I'm sure some of the results would have been different in that situation.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/5/2006 4:24:34 PM | message detail
Why am I seeing people use Soul Calibur's #51 ranking compared to #8 as indication of Metal Gear destroying Soul Calibur? People have to remember that it is a list based off of a bunch of Top 10 lists. I'd bet that even plenty of Soul Calibur fans don't have the game in their Top 10. If a game is popular but not necessarily Top 10 worthy in a bunch of people's eyes (say top 20-30), it will do horribly in that situation. Think Super Mario Kart, Soul Calibur, etc. Not necessarily a Top 10 game over your Mario's, Zeldas, Final Fantasies, and Metal Gear, but still popular games. That's a flaw of the list that I see few people mention.

For a more accurate list, not only would you need more games to choose from, but you would also need to increase the amount of games you can put in your Top Games List. I'm sure some of the results would have been different in that situation.


I would think fighting game fans would put fighting games extremely high on their lists.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 4:26:21 PM | message detail
I would also like to state that Soul Calibur, Devil May Cry, and The Elder Scrolls are games that have shown at least some power on GameFAQs, have an extremely high fun factor, and are series where each game is received with much more fanfare than any new Mega Man release.

I would take Mega Man over all three without a second thought.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/5/2006 4:27:57 PM | message detail
So I take it you guys don't think my pick of Metal Gear with 72.57% is too likely eh?


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creativename | Posted 7/5/2006 4:51:42 PM | message detail
Lots of people are going that high for Metal Gear.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 7/5/2006 4:55:28 PM | message detail
Why are people acting like everything we've gotten on how strong each character/game is doesn't matter in this contest? Its not absolute, but it does matter some. And especially with the game contest, the strengths aren't going to be drastically different most of the time.

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charmander6000 | Posted 7/5/2006 4:57:21 PM | message detail
Match V: (1) Metal Gear vs. (8) Soul Calibur

Games in series

Metal Gear (NES, 1988)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (MSX, 1990)
Metal Gear Solid (PS, 1998)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PS2, 2001)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2, 2004)

Soul Calibur (DC, 1999)
Soul Calibur II (GC/PS2/XB, 2003)
Soul Calibur III (PS2, 2005)

Analysis:

Easy win for Metal Gear or does Soul Calibur have some life in it? In Metal Gear you play as Solid Snake (except in MGS3), a person who is a master in stealth and from time to time he has to stop a group of terrorist from using a weapon called the Metal Gear. This series has one of the best stories ever made, but telling anymore may spoil it for people. In Soul Calibur a group of people from all over the world all hunt for one thing, the Soul Edge. Some hunt it to destroy, but others want to use the sword’s power for themselves.

Now we’ve seen how well Metal Gear series has done, but what about Soul Calibur? It gave Kingdom Hearts a run for its money and that’s the last we ever saw any sign of it. I think Soul Calibur is one of those things that barely make it to the contest because lack of nominations, but once it makes it in they become a powerful force (like Aeris). I’m not saying that Soul Calibur may upset Metal Gear, but it will perform better than what most people will expect.

This is going to be one tough division with three different series that could take it and with about half of the matches where the winner could end up with less than 55%. Like Diablo’s division during the Villains Contest this division will separate us from the winners and the losers.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Metal Gear over Soul Calibur

charmander6000’s Prediction: Metal Gear wins, 59.65% - 40.35%

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therealmnm | Posted 7/5/2006 4:57:51 PM | message detail
Why are people acting like everything we've gotten on how strong each character/game is doesn't matter in this contest? Its not absolute, but it does matter some. And especially with the game contest, the strengths aren't going to be drastically different most of the time.

*looks at Kirby*
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smitelf | Posted 7/5/2006 5:03:59 PM | message detail
I think Metal Gear could get into the low 70s range as well.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:04:31 PM | message detail
Snake Division: Round 1 - Match 5 – (1)Metal Gear vs. (8)Soul Calibur

Moltar’s Analysis

Metal Gear
The Metal Gear series started on the NES in the US, but moved to the Playstation and became Metal Gear Solid. The third is the latest, but we’re all ready for MGS4.

Soul Calibur
The Soul Calibur franchise is one of the few fighting series that I actually like. Started on the Dreamcast, but branched out to all three consoles for the sequel. The latest is the 3rd and it’s PS2 exclusive.

And thus begins what should be the most fun division in the bracket, the Snake division. MG is obviously the weakest 1-seed in the Contest, and contenders like Kingdom Hearts and Halo are looking for the upset.

While MG might be the weakest 1 seed though, doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. It will probably be underrated in this match because most will forget how well Soul Calibur did in 2004. SC was pretty much even with Kingdom Hearts, which lost in a close one to Starcraft, and we all know how well Starcraft did.

Unfortunately, a strong series like Soul Calibur is screwed over by going up against Metal Gear in Round 1. It would have had tons of potential in another part of the bracket. Soul Calibur might do well against Metal Gear, but it’s not looking like it can pull off the win. MG should at least hit the doubling in order to look good.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Metal Gear will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Metal Gear: 67% - Soul Calibur: 33%



Ulti’s Analysis

It's a shame that Soul Calibur is stuck being 8 seed fodder in this contest, because it would be nice to see whether or not its performance in the games contest was a fluke. As it stands, MGS just has an easy first round match. The only drama here will be where MGS's percentage ends up.

Prediction: MGS with 62.35%



Soul’s Analysis

After that bore known as the Hyrule Division, we move on to a slightly better division. Ok, I'm sorry. A hell of a better division. We have a great four-back in the upcoming days, as well as a pretty good 4 Vs. 5 match. But first, we have the heavy hitter of the division.

Metal Gear is probably Sony's most beloved series on this site. Sure, Madden and GTA get more sales, but I doubt those series are nearly as loved as MGS is. Add to that a kickass story with phenomenal characters and boss fights and you've got one hell of a strong series in this contest.

What's so shocking about this match though is the fact that Soul Calibur is also a strong series. This is evident by the fact that the first Soul Calibur game ranked ahead of every Metal Gear game in the Top 100 contest. (Note from Moltar: Actually, SC ranked below every MG game on the Top 100) There's also the extremely popular Soul Calibur 2 that was released on every major platform this generation. Soul Calibur 3 was well received as well. Basically, Soul Calibur will be no slouch in this contest, and could potentially scare Metal Gear in their first round match.

Mostly everyone believes Metal Gear will win this one. I suspect that Metal Gear will win this as well, but not as comfortably as others believe. SC is underseeded for sure, and will definitely surprise many people.

My prediction: Metal Gear wins with 57.86% of the vote.
Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:05:20 PM | message detail
Leon’s Analysis

Ah, two contests for Soul Calibur, two 8 seeds. The only difference now is that being an 8 seed means you get fed to the top seed right off the bat. The last time we saw it in a contest, it shocked nearly everybody on Board 8 by leading Kingdom Hearts for a long time before finally giving way and losing in a close one. When an entrant shows that kind of strength in a contest, being relegated to a sacrificial lamb seems like a waste. Soul Calibur could be a good dark horse somewhere else, but alas, such is bracketing.

Before the bracket was released, three of the four 1 seeds were no-brainers: Final Fantasy, the Legend of Zelda, and Super Mario Brothers. The fourth top seed was oft-debated, but the majority seemed to agree that Metal Gear was the most likely choice to get it. Turns out they were right. After Metal Gear Solid was utterly embarrassed by Final Fantasy VII in the Spring Contest and Solid Snake’s disappointing performance in SC2K4 where he didn’t even appear to be Noble Nine quality anymore, the series appeared to be on the way down.

However, the release of Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater in late 2004 appears to be the breath of fresh air that the series needed. Solid Snake was stronger than he’s ever been in 2005, and he needed every ounce of that new power to make his first ever Final Four. Then the original Metal Gear Solid placed at #8 on the GameFAQs Top 100 List, leading some to believe (along with Sephiroth/Liquid Snake in the Villains Contest) that perhaps Final Fantasy VII had overperformed on it back then. Now here it is in 2006 with the coveted fourth top seed in the Best Series Ever Contest.

Metal Gear’s strength was a hot topic among us statheads, wondering if it really WOULD be the fourth strongest. There were quite a few who felt that it could be beaten by some other series, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, if you’re a Metal Gear mark) the strongest contenders are nowhere to be seen in the Snake Division. Granted, Metal Gear still has some potential challengers, but compared to what it could have had, it got off easy. Soul Calibur will do decently, but it won’t do enough to win. Heck, I think it’ll do better than a lot will expect, leading people to get on the upset bandwagon for it to lose before the Final Four.

Leonhart’s Prediction: Metal Gear with 58.41%



Lopen’s Analysis

1v8 fodder match! Alright, I get to make fun of the fodder now! No? What do you mean no? Soul Calibur is actually something to be respected? Why yes, Timmy, it is. At least… it looks like it is. Soul Calibur gave Kingdom Hearts quite the scare in the game contest a couple of years ago. And that was just the original! The second one had some stupid gimp-tier elf in it that I'm told is pretty popular on this site. Oh man, imagine that as the match picture? Link vs. Melting Snake. I'd be loling to the bank, there. I'm going off on a tangent… anyway…

I have a somewhat bold assumption here… that most of the people who voted for Soul Calibur did so because of Soul Calibur 2 in the game contest. So what you see there is the meat of what you get. Soul Calibur 3 has since been released, but it didn't really leave the mark that Soul Calibur 2 did… and it lacked gimp-tier-mcelfton.

So assuming you believe me (and why wouldn't you?), the Soul Calibur of yore is about as good as we're going to see. You've got a series here that barely loses to Kingdom Hearts 1 alone in a 3 on 1 handicap match. Man, I hope the entire Metal Gear Solid series can do better than that. And if it can't, I blame it on Solid Snake and his games that are less good than Metal Gear Solid 2. Raiden had nothing to do with it.

Lopen's Prediction: Metal Gear with 61.61%
Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:05:47 PM | message detail
HM’s Analysis

Here we are at the start of Metal Gear’s first match in what will be an impressive run in the “Best. Series. Ever.” Contest – fourth strongest, in fact! Soul Calibur is probably one of those games that fall under “wasted potential,” as it could have done some major things in any other place in the bracket. Unfortunately, it got stuck against an absolute beast of a franchise in Metal Gear. Even with its strength, I think Soul Calibur is going to be getting quite a beat down that may not be expected by everyone.

Let’s examine some of the facts we know about both franchises in previous contests and what we can get from The List. Interestingly, Soul Calibur places above any singular Metal Gear Solid game in the extrapolated stats. However, you just have to take a look at StarCraft’s cheating run in the contest to see that it is overrated a bit. On top of that, Metal Gear Solid likely suffered some sort of SFF against Final Fantasy VII, which has shown to show some type of fanbase before. Further, Metal Gear Solid managed to rank in the Top 10 in The List, eighth to be exact. Metal Gear Solid 2 ranked pretty highly in the stats as well, slightly above Metal Gear Solid, though both were Top 25 games.

As far as The List is concerned, Metal Gear Solid, as I said ranked 8th; Metal Gear Solid 3 ranked 21st; and Metal Gear Solid 2 ranked 41st. Soul Calibur ended up ranking 51st and that would be the only game on the list from the series. It is pretty clear from this alone that Metal Gear Solid outranks Soul Calibur in pretty much every stat related case we have – you have to take into account StarCraft’s cheating votes. And let’s just be honest here, Metal Gear is far too popular of a series to lose to any fighting game series, or even any series not named Mario, Zelda, or Final Fantasy. It is a widely popular franchise that has gathered many fans, sold millions upon millions of copies, and currently has one of the most anticipated next-generation games in Metal Gear Solid 4. Solid Snake is also a testament to just how strong the Metal Gear franchise is, with its character always being in the top nine characters since his entry back in 2002. There’s no way this one will be even remotely close, folks. But I bet you already knew that!!

I probably spent too much time going over something that is rather obvious, but I really wanted to give a little insight into why Metal Gear is going to be strong enough to lay a beat down on Soul Calibur and others in its division, at least until it runs into Kingdom Hearts. I even think it’ll end with a respectable percentage against The Legend of Zelda, but that’s another analysis for another time …

Aitch Emm’s Bracket Says : Metal Gear will win.

Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Metal Gear 67% -- Soul Calibur 33%

Aitch Emm’s Vote : Metal Gear.
Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:06:29 PM | message detail
Yoblazer’s Analysis

If you're one of those nuts who takes 1/8-1/16 upset risks in the hopes something will pay off, this is undoubtedly your best bet since Halo/Starcraft. Soul Calibur is a legitimate series; it certainly isn't the fodder its seeding hints at. The original SC shocked us all by going toe-to-toe with Kingdom Hearts, and the sequel sold pretty well on all three consoles (and featured Link in the Gamecube version, no less). Also, Metal Gear has nowhere near the power of the other top seeded games. When you put the weakest 1-seed against the strongest 8-seed, you'll end up with the best match, and that's what we'll see.

That said, the chances for anything interesting here are slim to none, and slim kinda sorta maybe just took the first cab outta town. Metal Gear (man, I have to stop myself from typing "Solid" every single time) is far too established and popular for Soul Calibur to stand a realistic chance. MGS has a long history of being Sony's #2 series; the right hand man to Final Fantasy, if ya wheeeeeeel (why am I sticking a Dusty Rhodes reference into this analysis? Quote frankly, because I'm bored and hope to god at least one person gets it). While some might argue that that spot now belongs to GTA, Snake's series remains high atop the Sony chain of command; much higher than any fighter.

Regardless of what the Game Contest tells us, I'd take any of the three MGS games over Soul Calibur. When you release a big sequel guest starring friggin' Link, you're going to get a boost. Doubt that game will be as strong today. Things only look grimmer once Soul Calibur III's disappointing performance in the Game of the Year polls comes into play. Also, CJayC's inclusion of CYBORG RAIDEN in the contest banner shows he is all too willing and able to provide Metal Gear nothing but recent pics that all fans will instantly recognize. Board 8 MGS fans, of course, will ***** and moan about every picture it gets. Looking forward to it!

Metal Gear
+ Three popular games to carry it
+ Spans a surprising amount of consoles
+ Gets a bye into Round 3
- Nothing for this match
- Round 3 match could be surprising
- Is that Zelda I see up there? Oh, fiddley-dee

Soul Calibur
+ Spans a good amount of consoles
+ Great SpC2K4 performance
- What have you done for me lately?

My prediction: Metal Gear def. Soul Calibur (62-38)
Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:07:04 PM | message detail
Mnm’s Analysis

Metal Gear gets its expected number one seed in this contest and is in great position to do some damage in this contest. People are expecting it to be a powerhouse in this contest, but I wouldn’t go as far as to call it that. Metal Gear is certainly beatable, and I would take a number of series to beat it. Fortunately for Metal Gear, most of those series are either on the on the other side of the bracket, or out of the contest altogether. But still, there are a few series in this division that can give MG a run, but again Metal Gear is fortunate in that they have to beat each other up to reach MG. Ah, the comfort of being a one seed.

Don’t get me wrong, Metal Gear Solid is definitely a popular series on GameFAQs. I just feel that people overrate its strength on this site. Metal Gear definitely has a large core group of fans, but it isn’t for everyone. I wouldn’t say its fanbase was any bigger than say, the GTA or Halo fanbase on this site. Now, on to the match at hand.

Metal Gear had a decent run in the games contest, but it didn’t do that well. The meat of the series, as we all know, is the Metal Gear Solid trilogy. MGS2 did pretty well against SSBM, but it was directly outclassed by GTA: Vice City. MGS did well in beating FFT, but it succumbed to FFVII and probably is underrated due to a tad of SFF. MGS2 did okay in its GotY poll, but was overshadowed by GTA and FFX. MGS3 also did well in the GotY poll, but it too was outclassed by GTA. The best thing MGS has to show on this site is its #8 spot on the Top 100 list. But then again, having a large dedicated fanbase does wonders for you in that type of contest. Still, Metal Gear has shown to be pretty strong on this site. It’s definitely beatable though.

It’s opponent is Soul Calibur and it is no slouch itself. If you go by the SpC2k4 stats, one might even be enticed to take SC over MGS, seeing that SC ranked higher than both MGS games. There are a couple of things about that though. Metal Gear Solid is definitely underrated in that contest. Soul Calibur is probably overrated due to being behind Starcraft’s Cinderella run. Plus, Soul Calibur was probably at the peak of its popularity then, with the large SC2 multi-console release. A lot of SC’s strength is probably due to SC2 and the many Nintendo fans happy that they have Link in their version of the game joining the dedicated SC fanbase. But that time has come and gone. Even with Soul Calibur 3 on the PS2, I don’t think SC as a series is as popular as it was in 2k4. It still definitely will give the Metal Gear a fight though. Don’t think it will just roll over for it. Some of these predictions I’ve seen around the board are crazy with people having Metal Gear absolutely thrash Soul Calibur. Metal Gear will have to prove it to me in this match.

Bracket: Metal Gear?!
Vote: Metal Gear?!
Prediction: Metal Gear with 59.65%
Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:08:07 PM | message detail
HaRRich’s Analysis

Predicted winner: Metal Gear
Top 100 List comparison:
---MGS - #8, MGS3 - #21, MGS2 - #41
---SC - #51
Best Game Ever x-stat comparison:
---MGS2 - 32.52%, MGS - 28.7% (may have been SFF'd by FF7), MG - 14.13%
---SC - 34.28% (was behind Starcraft)

I just want to point out the huge clash between the Top 100 List and the Best Game Ever stats and note that, as always, both should be totally ignored and your bracket should go by pure instinct. Diablo > Pokemon in the championship, bay-bee.

With Metal Gear Solid being a Top Ten game on the site according to the Top 100 List while MGS2 got #41, it looks all but certain that MGS was SFF'd in the Game Contest. SC was behind Starcraft and it placed #51 on the Top 100 List -- below all three MGS games when the stats clearly show SC > MGS2 and MGS, so consider me crazy, 'cuz I tthhiinnkk Starcraft might have over-performed somewhere; call it a hunch. To add to it, the MG series has spanned more systems and generations than SC. Then to finish it off, I think more people appreciate the MG series than fighting games in general (excluding SSB/M, damn you), so that should put a halt to most arguments. Now, SC2 did get real popular though, and SC3 was...released, at least (I almost literally know nothing else about it than that, heh), so it should hold its own against "that one other one-seed" in their match-up, but I plan to watch this match-up more to see the potential strength for Nightmare in the Character Contest than anything else.


It sucks that Soul Calibur couldn't have been a "7-seed" though -- switch it with Harvest Moon.....

Metal Gear win with 60.12%



Comments: 9-0 in favor of MG. Should I be worried I have the same prediction as that crazed MG fanboy HM? Also, seems like the rest of this crew thinks high 50's-mid 60's for this one.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:09:36 PM | message detail
Metal Gear (NES, 1988)

Do not even mention that abomination! It never existed!

"Metal Gear (MSX, 1987)"

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Anal Storage | Posted 7/5/2006 5:10:52 PM | message detail
I check HM's predictions for math errors every time now. >_>

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:11:39 PM | message detail
Yeah, well, you aren't going to see many more!

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/5/2006 5:14:39 PM | message detail
He's right, his math is good for the rest of Round 1.
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Metroid vs. Kirby - Bracket: Metroid - Vote: Kirby (3/3)
Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/5/2006 5:28:21 PM | message detail
*looks at Kirby*

But we already knew that Kirby's games aren't really all that popular.
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swirIdude | Posted 7/5/2006 5:29:03 PM | message detail
We also knew Kirby would be SFF'd.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/5/2006 5:29:09 PM | message detail
What was wrong with Metal Gear on the Nintendo...>_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 5:30:20 PM | message detail
Not much, actually. Just the piss-poor translation (which actually places it in infamy) and weird things like changing the battle against Metal Gear into a fight against the evil supercomputer.

Et cetera.
Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/5/2006 5:31:58 PM | message detail
We also knew Kirby would be SFF'd.

True.

What was wrong with Metal Gear on the Nintendo...>_>

Basically it sucked.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/5/2006 5:33:00 PM | message detail
Bracket: Metal Gear?!
Vote: Metal Gear?!
Prediction: Metal Gear with 59.65%


Stop copying me.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 5:33:08 PM | message detail
Now if we're talking about Snake's Revenge, that's an entirely different story, but yeah...

FUN FACT: In no Metal Gear game, whether they be canon or spinoff, has Metal Gear been the final boss. Ever.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:34:25 PM | message detail
What was wrong with Metal Gear on the Nintendo...

It sucked. Kojima didn't work on it. Konami sucked at porting. Etc. Etc.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/5/2006 5:35:06 PM | message detail
Snake's Revenge is the only game in the entire series that sucks completely. Kinda like that Zelda game on Sega CD. Now I'm not even a big fan of Zelda games, but I'm not gonna say Majora's Mask sucks or anything. Good games, just overrated. Except OoT and LTTP, they're awesome.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/5/2006 5:35:50 PM | message detail
Crap, I forgot about the Ac!d games. Well, no one here owns a PSP and likes Metal Gear, so I'm good on that front...
longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/5/2006 5:36:24 PM | message detail
I don't even consider Acid apart of the damn series <_<
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swirIdude | Posted 7/5/2006 5:37:11 PM | message detail
Kinda like that Zelda game on Sega CD.

Had it been on the Sega CD instead of the CD-i, Sega would've tanked a long time ago.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/5/2006 5:37:12 PM | message detail
Kinda like that Zelda game on Sega CD.

XD

Phillips CD-i.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:38:10 PM | message detail
That's ...

LIEUTENANT SOLID SNAKE TO YOU!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/5/2006 5:39:26 PM | message detail
Well, no one here owns a PSP and likes Metal Gear, so I'm good on that front...

They will ... they will ...

Metal Gear Solid : Portable Ops = MASS PSPs!

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