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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 299

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outback | Posted 7/3/2006 7:02:28 PM | message detail
Well, this certainly makes tomorrow's match interesting. I still think Pokémon will win on name recognition alone, though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/3/2006 7:02:39 PM | message detail
Match III: (3) Pokemon vs. (6) Star Ocean

Games in series

Pokemon Green (GB, JP1996)
Pokemon Red (GB, 1998)
Pokemon Blue (GB, 1998)
Pokemon Yellow (GB, 1999)
Pokemon Gold (GBC, 2000)
Pokemon Silver (GBC, 2000)
Pokemon Crystal (GBC, 2001)
Pokemon Ruby (GBA, 2003)
Pokemon Sapphire (GBA, 2003)
Pokemon FireRed (GBA, 2004)
Pokemon LeafGreen (GBA, 2004)
Pokemon Emerald (GBA, 2005)

Star Ocean (SNES, JP1996)
Star Ocean: The Second Story (PS, 1999)
Star Ocean Blue Sphere (GBC, JP2001)
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time (PS2, 2004)

Analysis:

Finally a debatable match and it’s probably the only one in this division. First we have Pokemon. It’s about the adventure of a boy/girl who gets a pokemon from Professor *insert tree here* and sets off to become the greatest Pokemon master ever by battling through various different types of gyms and beating the best of the best. Also don’t forget to catch ‘em all. Star Ocean is an RPG and from what I can get it’s about a story that takes place in the future where a group of people team up to cure a virus that turns people into stone.

Now like I said this is a very debatable match and to find out why we must go back into contest history. Pokemon has had terrible past contests experiences from Pikachu barely beating PaRappa to Pokemon G/S/C losing to Xenogears, but many people seem to compare this match to Xenogears/Pokemon G/S/C. At the time Pokemon hate was still live and well and even though the match was suppose to be close Xenogears became the safe bet and lucky for us Xenogears won the match. Now fast forward two years, Pokemon hate has really died down on Board 8 and on many other social boards. Even at school there aren’t that many people calling Pokemon the games kiddy. Sure there’s still some hate like in many other mainstream things (like Xbox), but you can’t tell me the hate hasn’t drop over the past two years.

Star Ocean is far from cult like some people may think. They aren’t very vocal, but many people have played a game from the Star Ocean series and most of those people loved it. Sure it’s not as mainstream as Pokemon, but fair shares of people know and love the series. You’d be surprised at the amount of people that know about this series, I know I was.

The question for this match becomes how much anti-votes Pokemon will have and will it be enough with the combined strength of Star Ocean fans to win the match. For once the match picture will become a big factor in deciding the match. Let’s take a look...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse03.jpg

The reason why the match picture is more important in this match then in other is the Pokemon, like Pac-Man is so universally known that everyone knows about it, but even though there is lovers and haters there still that group that don’t really care about the series or were ex-haters and don’t have an opinion on the series and the picture might sway their vote. The picture isn’t as bad as I thought it might have been, but it still isn’t that great; at least have Charizard, Blastoise, some other starter final evolution or even a legendary Pokemon. How much will this affect Pokemon? Well if this was suppose to be a 50/50 match or even Pokemon with 51% this could cost them the match.

Being the big Pokemon fan that I am, I’m predicting that even with the picture Pokemon will win pretty easily and I hope they really capitalize on the Japanese vote, but I wouldn’t really be surprised if Star Ocean went out with the upset.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Pokemon over Star Ocean

charmander6000’s Prediction: Pokemon wins, 54.59% - 45.41%

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 7:03:04 PM | message detail
Tsk tsk tsk. Pokémon's the one entity that can LOSE on name recognition.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 7:05:52 PM | message detail
this has probably been done about 10 times, but:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/536705.html

yeah, a lot of people bought SO3 (at least compared to other "cult" RPGs). those reviews are a little worrisome though.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 7:17:30 PM | message detail
Oh man, Star Ocean now has to contend with anti-votes against Pokemon IT IS SO SCREWED
outback | Posted 7/3/2006 7:18:58 PM | message detail
Tsk tsk tsk. Pokémon's the one entity that can LOSE on name recognition.

Well yeah, but that's the only reason anybody is worried AT ALL about this match.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 7:19:59 PM | message detail
I'm glad I didn't fill out a bracket. I don't have to worry about my picks anymore, just my favorites. ^_^
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/3/2006 7:22:23 PM | message detail
But Slow, worrying is half the fun!
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 7:23:27 PM | message detail
I'm on antipsychotics, dude. I don't want to make these a useless investment.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/3/2006 7:34:54 PM | message detail
Oh WHAT THE ****.

I'm not even upset about Pikachu being front and center in the match pic. I'd just like to see Mewtwo front and center one of these days.

Metroid purists are funny, though. They want every game to be like OUR THE SUPER METROID, then when they remake the original to be a lot like OUR THE SUPER METROID, they complain. Those are the same idiots who say Metroid Prime ruined the series.

I'm a bit of a purist, but I loved Prime. I loved Prime 2, too, just not as much.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 7:35:47 PM | message detail
You're not a purist by Metroid standards. You're a TRAITOR! A GODFORSAKEN TRAITOR! CRUCIFY HIM!
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swirIdude | Posted 7/3/2006 7:37:23 PM | message detail
I shall distract the purist!

Metroid Prime is the GREATEST game ever created!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 7:37:26 PM | message detail
you're far from a Metroid purist. you like other games besides Metroid 1 and 3.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 7:43:59 PM | message detail
I'm a pretty big Super Metroid fan, but I hardly care for the original. In fact, it's probably my least favorite Metroid of them all. I don't see how purist can defend it. It's convoluted, and all the areas look the same! >_<
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 7:44:38 PM | message detail
u take that bak
trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 7:44:58 PM | message detail
yeah, I don't like it either. too.. I don't know, boring.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/3/2006 7:45:26 PM | message detail
From Karma Hunter Posted 7/3/2006 10:44:38 PM #115
u take that bak

.....oh

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 7:46:44 PM | message detail
Metroid is the worst Metroid, hands down. Zero Mission, on the other hand, is my favorite 2D one. (Another one of my unpopular opinions. If I wrote up my 25 favorite games/characters, everyone would die from an allergic reaction.)
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Big Bob | Posted 7/3/2006 7:46:52 PM | message detail
The original Metroid was terrible. Every other one is awesome, though.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 7:48:29 PM | message detail
Stop it! You're all unclean, the original Metroid is only inferior to Super Metroid! *wheezes* I'm having a fanboyism attack...*gasp*
LordOfDabu | Posted 7/3/2006 7:49:06 PM | message detail
I think Super Metroid is the only great Metroid game. There's other Metroids that are good, but only Super is great! >_>
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outback | Posted 7/3/2006 7:55:03 PM | message detail
People who think a bad game ruins a series are insane. I don't like Prime, but come on, Zero Mission was still great.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/3/2006 7:57:59 PM | message detail
Prime series > original, lololol

And I liked both Fusion and Zero Mission.

And I honestly don't recall finishing Super Metroid. I guess that makes me a bad person.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/3/2006 7:59:36 PM | message detail
And I honestly don't recall finishing Super Metroid. I guess that makes me a bad person.

Hell, I haven't even played Super Metroid.

And Prime is my favorite Metroid game, actually, though I liked Fusion and Zero Mission. Original Metroid was kinda boring. Haven't played Metroid II.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 8:00:47 PM | message detail
Zero Mission > Prime 2 > Prime > Super Metroid > the rest.

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Tediz247 | Posted 7/3/2006 8:01:37 PM | message detail
The Prime series is my favorite too. I did love the hell out of Zero Mission and Super Metriod as well. Fusion gets undeserved hate. The only Metroid game I disliked was the original.

On another note, I say MMX gets 72.18% of brackets.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/3/2006 8:01:42 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is horribly overrated. Good, but overrated.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 8:02:55 PM | message detail
That's what I think. I don't have it on my favorites list, but it's still in the outskirts. Think #26-30.

And in case that's too high, think that it's still 4th place as far as Metroid is concerned.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/3/2006 8:03:13 PM | message detail
MMX gets about 75% of the brackets.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 8:04:00 PM | message detail
Mega Man gets notoriously low bracket percentage, but Suikoden is notoriously fodderific. Let's go with...71% even.
dragoontheguy | Posted 7/3/2006 8:05:40 PM | message detail
That pokemon pic wouldn't be so bad if pikachu wasn't taking up most of it. I still think poemon will win though, and at least the pokemon side of the pic has a much, much bigger presence then the highly generic star ocean pic, for whatever that's worth.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:08:08 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is properly rated.. but its intolerant fans can be a bit abrasive.

as for me... yeah, don't gotta go there.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 8:11:04 PM | message detail
100,000 vote total number two!!

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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:11:42 PM | message detail
I still haven't adjusted to this new poll time.. I completely forgot Pokemon was starting in a few minutes. it seems too early!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 8:12:10 PM | message detail
They got to 100,000 almost 2 hours before Zelda did? Zelda is so screwed against Mega Man X and Suikoden
Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 8:12:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's earlier than it's ever been. In 2002 and 2003 it was 1 AM EST.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/3/2006 8:15:20 PM | message detail
Ooh, good thing Tranny reminded me. Gotta go take care of some things before the awesomeness begins.

As for the analyses, I posted them in the Crew topic, but it's just too much to repost here. So...yeah.

Summary: Crew favors Pokemon except HM. All of us calling it close except Soul. HM write massive write-up on how he's going to be looking like a genius in a couple hours.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 8:16:27 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is my #6 overall game, but I can admit that the gameplay of Zero Mission is improved. I like Super Metroid for more than the gameplay though. I loved the atmosphere of that game, and the soundtrack added a lot to that. I never got that feel from Zero Mission. I definitely got that feel from Metroid Prime, but I enjoyed the 2D platforming of Super Metroid more.

I also agree that Fusion is underrated. I just didn't like the linearity of it and how the game held your hand. The SA-X was awesome though. It's the first time I didn't feel overpowered with Samus.
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Sir Bormun | Posted 7/3/2006 8:19:39 PM | message detail
Hmm, 40 more minutes...

I say Pokemon takes out Star Ocean 70-30. I feel like going out on a limb today. Plus, it'll be fun to have another thing to gloat to HM about.
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swirIdude | Posted 7/3/2006 8:19:53 PM | message detail
I feel bad for Torchic. He was promised to be in this picture, but CJay put a giant Pikachu's ass in front of him!
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swirIdude | Posted 7/3/2006 8:20:13 PM | message detail
I say MMX has 68.39% of the brackets.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/3/2006 8:20:17 PM | message detail
Pokemon wins with 53-55% of the vote...

...hopefully.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 8:20:36 PM | message detail
Metroid might need to stop with the whole "The only thing that can stop Samus is, of course, ANOTHER SAMUS" schtick, though. SA-X, it worked, Dark Samus gave her game a reason for still being named Metroid Prime 2 other than cool points. Let's not go overboard...
trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:20:36 PM | message detail
MMX - 78%.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:21:50 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is my #6 overall game, but I can admit that the gameplay of Zero Mission is improved. I like Super Metroid for more than the gameplay though. I loved the atmosphere of that game, and the soundtrack added a lot to that. I never got that feel from Zero Mission. I definitely got that feel from Metroid Prime, but I enjoyed the 2D platforming of Super Metroid more.

I agree with every word. I feel the same about SOTN vs. Aria as well, and I prefer Aria.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 8:22:29 PM | message detail
Dark Samus had the boss fights, too.

Then again, in that game, who didn't?

Aside from the Bomb Guardian, of course.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/3/2006 8:24:27 PM | message detail
I'm surprised the board vote is heavily favoring Pokemon. I got the impression SO3 was very well-liked around here.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:25:20 PM | message detail
it's kind of like Suikoden or Shadow Hearts - they may not be large in number, but they're vocal. all RPG fans seem to like flaunting their tastes and how they don't just like Final Fantasy.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 8:25:56 PM | message detail
also, have you seen swirl and RPGuy's contest lately? (lol go vote cheap plug) Pokemon RBY is one of two undefeated games and GSC is top ten. the board loves Pokemon.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 8:26:00 PM | message detail
...the hell? This board absolutely LOVES Pokémon.

Well, the early ones anyway. Magneton over Blaziken? Jesus Christ.
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