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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 2:04:01 PM | message detail
if I were to remake the bracket:

-1-

1 - Zelda
8 - Shadow Hearts

4 - Warcraft
5 - Devil May Cry

3 - Fire Emblem
6 - Silent Hill

2 - Pokemon
7 - Star Ocean

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1 - Metal Gear
8 - Harvest Moon

4 - Grand Theft Auto
5 - Mega Man X

3 - Metroid
6 - Soul Calibur

2 - Kingdom Hearts
7 - Civilization

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1 - Mario
8 - Suikoden

4 - Castlevania
5 - Street Fighter

3 - Mega Man
6 - Halo

2 - Sonic
7 - Mario Kart

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1 - Final Fantasy
8 - Madden

4 - Resident Evil
5 - Super Smash Bros

3 - Kirby
6 - Diablo

2 - Elder Scrolls
7 - Dragon Quest
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 2:08:56 PM | message detail
Your bracket is bad and you should feel bad!

...nah, it's good, but I have so little respect for so many series (Metroid, Soul Calibur, Kingdom Hearts, etc.) that placing them in the same fourpack just makes me struggle on how worthless I think they are.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 2:09:19 PM | message detail
And Zelda is so screwed against Shadow Hearts
trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 2:09:55 PM | message detail
it's clearly kicking Resident Evil's ass
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 2:10:25 PM | message detail
lol Kefka

I love the guy, but I learned the hard way NEVER to pick the guy when in doubt. EVER.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 2:11:38 PM | message detail
1 - Metal Gear
8 - Harvest Moon

4 - Grand Theft Auto
5 - Mega Man X


More arguing with mnm! Woohoo! =p

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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 2:13:58 PM | message detail
mnm wouldn't be the only one - probably yoblazer as well. and maybe me, I'm not sure.

besides, you and mnm don't need a reason to argue!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 2:15:56 PM | message detail
GTA > that division with relative ease...particularly the lower half

OMG WHAT IF GTA SFFs KH Sora is so screwed against Carl Johnson
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 2:18:25 PM | message detail
Oh, I definitely wouldn't expect him to be the only one. In fact, I'd bet most of this topic wrongly picks GTA!!

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/3/2006 2:24:09 PM | message detail
MMX disappointing me now. It's stuck around 72.5%.

And I'd pick Metal Gear, though I am very interested to see how a MG/GTA match would go. GTA might be stronger indirectly (we'll know for sure after the Contest), but in a head to head match, I think Metal Gear would take it. No reasoning too.
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MMX vs. Suikoden - Bracket: MMX - Vote: MMX (1/1)
charmander6000 | Posted 7/3/2006 2:48:41 PM | message detail
MMX is not disappointing, just not impressing.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 2:49:59 PM | message detail
Unimpressive!!
jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 2:53:37 PM | message detail
Heroic Mario wins the analysis crew topic.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 2:53:53 PM | message detail
It's also nice to see that HM has some valid reasoning up his sleeve for a Star Ocean win...at least, I don't think Pokemon will get a 60%+ win like some are predicting *cough*

Too bad it'll still lose in the end.
therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 2:55:49 PM | message detail
Heh, my write-up is the anti-HM in terms of argument points.
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Lopen | Posted 7/3/2006 2:59:48 PM | message detail
I am thoroughly disappointed with Mega Man X.

Why isn't Suikoden erased from existence right now!? Some day vote.
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:00:43 PM | message detail
I still can't find it in any stores, maybe it got erased from existence beforehand.
Buy A Dreamcast | Posted 7/3/2006 3:01:38 PM | message detail
HM's argument is quite good, but I find it funny that 45% of the site being interested in Pokemon Emerald is translated to Pokemon "hate," especially when one considers that Ruby/Sapphire are probably considerably less popular than G/S/C and R/B/Y. Especially now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:03:18 PM | message detail
Hey, people still buy and play Pokemon games even now, like nothing else...doesn't mean they admit to liking it.

Wasn't Pokemon high on the FAQ list for both runs of Pokemon/Xenogears?
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/3/2006 3:03:46 PM | message detail
Hey.....Zelda didn't gain that much during it's day vote against Civ.....MMX doesn't seem to be doing much during the day against Suikoden...

HAS THE NEW POLL TIME MURDERED THE DAY VOTE?!111
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 3:04:04 PM | message detail
is Suikoden fodder? yeah, but not low low fodder. not Shadow Hearts fodder. s2 has a fanbase that will not abandon it for anything. 5 was received pretty well, at least from what I've seen. I don't think this is really underperforming at all. my Oracle prediction was like 70.5%. maybe you all think more of MMX than I do.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:04:13 PM | message detail
Halo is so screwed
Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 3:04:14 PM | message detail
Emerald's most popular with the people that are still into it, but yeah, this series runs off nostalgia perhaps most than any other.
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I do declare, old chap! Even a Doom score could not possibly justify the unwarranted combustion of kittens!
RPGuy96 | Posted 7/3/2006 3:05:21 PM | message detail
Yeah, my Oracle was 72%, and I can personally confirm that most Suikoden (2) fans won't abandon the series. :)
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 3:05:25 PM | message detail
From dethfdddddh | Posted 7/3/2006 6:03:46 PM | #420
Hey.....Zelda didn't gain that much during it's day vote against Civ.....MMX doesn't seem to be doing much during the day against Suikoden...

HAS THE NEW POLL TIME MURDERED THE DAY VOTE?!111


Just you wait for Castlevania/Halo. Just you wait.

I'm getting the feeling CJayC set this one up just to see the biggest vote swing ever.
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I do declare, old chap! Even a Doom score could not possibly justify the unwarranted combustion of kittens!
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:05:49 PM | message detail
Everyone knows Mega Man has a massive day vote. Just look what he did against Crono!!!!!

...gaining on Solid Snake with the day vote does not make you strong with it, people.
Lopen | Posted 7/3/2006 3:13:07 PM | message detail
Good gawd was that a mouthful, HM. I'm a little iffy on whether those polls you brought up actually help Star Ocean's case, though. Oh, sure, the competition was stiff. But even in the one poll with fairly weak competition Star Ocean still only managed like 15% of the vote and it didn't even break 10k.
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:15:13 PM | message detail
But it beat out SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom...

...as did DRIV3R. =D
dlcb1 | Posted 7/3/2006 3:38:52 PM | message detail
Pokemon can't get 70% on anything. Not even Adventure. I doubt it could get 60%. It only got 54% on Parappa.

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MaxedOutRyu | Posted 7/3/2006 3:40:30 PM | message detail
i wanna make the 299th topic.......
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/3/2006 3:41:30 PM | message detail
That wasn't Pokémon - it was an overexposed rat.
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cyko | Posted 7/3/2006 3:42:15 PM | message detail
i like tranny's bracket. i think that would have been more interesting than our current bracket. and i for one would also take Mario Kart over Sonic in that bracket. wait and see. MMX's failure to impress today is only the beginning. both Sonic and Megaman's series are not going to stack up to the the strength of their characters. TAKE THAT!!

and for the record, i also see no reason why Star Ocean would be any more popular on this site than Suikoden. the ONLY reason i've seen tossed around is that SO has sold about 400,000 more copies as a series. and i don't think that's enough to make a huge difference. recent sales might have a minor impact on a series' popularity - but with Suikoden V's release in March, i'd wager that Suikoden has actually sold more copies in the past six months than SO.

on the other hand, i seriously doubt Pokemon is anywhere near MMX's strength, but i could still see it barely doubling SO - depending on the match pic, of course.


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jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 3:43:06 PM | message detail
That wasn't Pokémon - it was an overexposed rat.

There's very little difference between the two in the eyes of the voting audience.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 3:45:17 PM | message detail
i'd wager that Suikoden has actually sold more copies in the past six months than SO.

Star Ocean 3 has sold about half of Suikoden V's total copies in the past six months.

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cyko | Posted 7/3/2006 3:47:36 PM | message detail
that's about what i figured. thanks for confirming that, HM.

it's a shame that Suikoden V hasn't sold more, though. it really is a high quality RPG. far, FAR superior to that sorry excuse they tried to pass off as Suikoden IV.

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Lopen | Posted 7/3/2006 3:50:29 PM | message detail
There's very little difference between the two in the eyes of the voting audience.

A bold statement. And one I don't believe for a second. Maybe if people were voting exclusive because of the Pokemon cartoon... but hell, even then. Pikachu is not Pokemon. Pokemon RBY would likely do much better than Pikachu or even GSC. Something I brought up in my beautiful (and concise!) analysis. *cheap plug!*
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:52:33 PM | message detail
An even more beautiful and concise analysis by Karma Hunter:

lol Sonic 2 > DMC2

That is all.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 3:53:38 PM | message detail
Pokemon RBY would likely do much better than Pikachu or even GSC.

Something I have always disagreed with ... at least as far doing much better than GSC is concerned.

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Lopen | Posted 7/3/2006 3:53:58 PM | message detail
Don't even start going all Black Turtle on me here...
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 3:55:10 PM | message detail
KH is in rare form today.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/3/2006 3:55:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm really not convinced that SO is any more popular than Suikoden on GameFAQs. If it is, why haven't we seen any representation from it yet? Why did it fail to get on the drop-down list for the Top 100? I mean, if the likes of the original F-Zero could get on that list (while Suikoden II got #59 or so), then what does that say about Star Ocean?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 3:56:14 PM | message detail
It's like I can't stop myself! Maybe it's the Ritalin.

...these are caffeine pills!
The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/3/2006 3:56:48 PM | message detail
The fact that there's no hardcore centralized fandon for SO doesn't mean that it's weak among general voting.

It's just one of those games were people like it... they just don't like it the most.
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Lopen | Posted 7/3/2006 3:58:01 PM | message detail
Something I have always disagreed with ... at least as far doing much better than GSC is concerned.

And why not? Didn't RBY sell something like twice as many games? Didn't Red beat Gold by something like 30 spaces on the top 100 list? (Not trying to exaggerate the list but it's not something to just ignore either)

Also, I think RB would represent a "more innocent time" to some fans of the series. Before Pokemon was overexposed, basically. That's the reason most of the people hate it, you know?
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Phediuk | Posted 7/3/2006 3:58:20 PM | message detail
I just had a depressing thought:

Kirby is likely more well known for SSB than any of the Kirby games nowadays. :/
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 4:00:16 PM | message detail
RBY would probably beat all, and that's a little sad, considering every single game from the main series is vastly superior.

I mean, seriously. What praise does FRLG ever get? It's RBY, plus two generations' worth of balance fixes and new strategies, and a few extra Pokémon on the side. You don't see anyone worshipping the first Metroid with Zero Mission around. Why not the same for Pokémon.
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I do declare, old chap! Even a Doom score could not possibly justify the unwarranted combustion of kittens!
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 4:00:18 PM | message detail
What the hell is wrong with you? SSB is a Kirby game, just one that has an outside supporting cast. Kirby's the star!
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 4:01:20 PM | message detail
You don't see anyone worshipping the first Metroid with Zero Mission around.

Do you know how many purists have decried Zero Mission and how it ruined the original Metroid?
Phediuk | Posted 7/3/2006 4:01:26 PM | message detail
No one's worshipping the original Metroid because the original Metroid sucks ass. Pokemon Red/Blue don't suck; they're just dated.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 4:02:31 PM | message detail
Something I brought up in my beautiful (and concise!) analysis. *cheap plug!*

Ahhh, but was that point numbered and organized? I don't think so my friend!
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