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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 298

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:14:22 PM | message detail
True enough. But deciding between Pokémon and Metroid is like asking a mother which of her children she likes more.
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Ayvuir | Posted 7/3/2006 1:16:37 PM | message detail
I'm still adament that Pokemon will beat Metroid. This is my upset for the tournament, if you can call it that.

Like last time i said Vincent was going all the way to where he got to. So many people disagreed, yet old Vincey baby did it.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:16:59 PM | message detail
True enough. But deciding between Pokémon and Metroid is like asking a mother which of her children she likes more.

Meh. It's not like Pokémon has a chance of winning that match. I'd give the vote to Pokémon and call it a day. It's actually more like a big brother owning his little brother, and the mother hugging the little brother and saying "Issokay"!
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:17:24 PM | message detail
And just because you called ONE upset right, every other one will follow. Great logic, there.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:17:48 PM | message detail
Yes! I called a match correctly, so every match I call from here on in will also be correct!
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/3/2006 1:18:07 PM | message detail
I called Diablo > his division therefore I am obviously right that Warcraft will win this contest.
Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:18:22 PM | message detail
Indeed! HM successfully called MM's slaughter of Tidus, so Star Ocean will beat Pokémon!
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:19:16 PM | message detail
I'd also like to share the prize money I've collected over the past 4 years in these contests with everyone in this topic! Here ya go.




Yeah.
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Sir Bormun | Posted 7/3/2006 1:19:33 PM | message detail
I think Star Ocean's weaker than Suikoden.

All Star Ocean has going for it is SO2 and SO3 (I've barely even heard of the original). SO2 is a favorite of many people, but it's a cult game. I'd pick Suikoden 2 over it in a direct match. SO3... well, more people got SO3, but a good number of em disliked it. And even at the height of its popularity, it couldn't get a character into SC2k5. I don't see any reason why Star Ocean should be stronger than say, Lunar or Suikoden. Frankly, I think it might be weaker than both of them.

I think Pokemon crushes it, at least 70-30. Pokemon doesn't have the same kind of hate that it did back in the early days of the contest... now, a lot of those people just look back on it with a certain kind of nostalgia. Still some hate, sure, but not a lot. I don't know why people think Star Ocean will give it a good match.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/3/2006 1:19:48 PM | message detail
I'm honestly surprised Suikoden is holding MMX under 75%, I don't know what to make of that. Either Suikoden is stronger than before or MMX isn't as strong as regular Mega Man.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:20:42 PM | message detail
If Pikachu's on the match pic though, especially alone, this could tip the scales. A LOT of people, including me, hate the little bastard.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 1:21:33 PM | message detail
SO beats Suikoden... but not by much. I'm not drinking HM's koolaid on this one, it's definitely weaker than Xenogears. the reason you never heard of SO1 is because it never came out here.

I think it's more about how weak Pokemon is than how strong SO is. if Pokemon truly does get antivoted to hell, SO will win. I don't think it's that hated though.
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meche313 | Posted 7/3/2006 1:22:12 PM | message detail
Or the SFF that Suikoden got against FF7 was more than what we thought.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 1:22:16 PM | message detail
I will agree that this match could range from 45% to 70% for Pokemon though. I've been thinking about it all day and this is probably the most unpredictable match of the tournament.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:23:08 PM | message detail
Yeah, at least the other tough matches we know will be close. That one, though... this is going to be a big decider in the Oracle Challenge.
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meche313 | Posted 7/3/2006 1:25:01 PM | message detail
I don't think Pokemon is strong enough to get that much. This match is all over the place, sure, but Pokemon is not getting more than 62%.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 1:25:10 PM | message detail
But deciding between Pokémon and Metroid is like asking a mother which of her children she likes more.

Pokemon being the evil twin then, am i rite?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/3/2006 1:25:47 PM | message detail
I'm really getting antsy about the picture.

Pokemon with Pikachu = going 50-50 with SO.
Pokemon with Mewtwo, Charizard or other badass Pokemon = Blowout.

It's that simple in my mind. People can say pictures don't matter but for characters like Kefka and a series like Pokemon they matter alot.
trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 1:26:58 PM | message detail
hmm.. just for kicks, Dragon Quest or Pokemon? I'd pick DQ over SO in a heartbeat, assuming enough people know the DQ namechange.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:27:24 PM | message detail
Pokemon's not getting 70% on anything short of the weakest things we have ever seen in a contest.

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jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 1:27:55 PM | message detail
DQ, obv
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SephirothG | Posted 7/3/2006 1:28:09 PM | message detail
What makes everybody think that Star Ocean is stronger than Suikoden? Suikoden not only has had one game in the top 100, but it has a decent enough fanbase that it has been featured in three other contests. Star Ocean... well, has done nothing on this site to my knowledge.
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jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 1:29:11 PM | message detail
Pokemon's not getting 70% on anything short of the weakest things we have ever seen in a contest.

DRIVER'D
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/3/2006 1:29:29 PM | message detail
DQ might beat Pokemon, but who the hell knows by how much. Star Ocean had its game in the top 10 FAQs and Message Boards on the PSX list for quite awhile I believe. Hell it might even still be there,
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:30:24 PM | message detail
Suikoden had a game in the drop-down list IIRC. When it comes to fodder, that list is useless.

BTW, I call dibs on 299!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/3/2006 1:31:05 PM | message detail
dang, I was gonna make it too - #1 on the leaderboard!

nah, do your thing.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/3/2006 1:31:37 PM | message detail
Tranny stole mah bike
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Sir Bormun | Posted 7/3/2006 1:34:19 PM | message detail
Pokemon's not getting 70% on anything short of the weakest things we have ever seen in a contest.

Yes. Like, say, cult RPGs.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:34:20 PM | message detail
What makes everybody think that Star Ocean is stronger than Suikoden? Suikoden not only has had one game in the top 100, but it has a decent enough fanbase that it has been featured in three other contests. Star Ocean... well, has done nothing on this site to my knowledge.

Suikoden II was on the drop down list due to making the contest way back when. Star Ocean 3, by far the most popular Star Ocean game, wasn't even out when that Games Contest took place.

And the fact that it has made a contest says nothing about its strength over Star Ocean. What, is Magus or Dante going to beat Vincent because he's never been in a contest before? Previous contest experiences do not speak of your contest strength at all.

Sales oftentimes don't matter, sure, but when SO3 alone outsells the entire Suikoden series combined ...

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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:34:26 PM | message detail
Yeah, I think DQ is definitely the strongest of the lesser RPGs. Although it depends on if you whether you consider Xenosaga a lesser RPG or not. I'd definitely take Xenosaga over Pokemon.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:34:54 PM | message detail
Well not, definitely... but I'd take it to squeak by.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:36:31 PM | message detail
Yes. Like, say, cult RPGs.

No, not even cult RPGs. Pokemon isn't putting up 70% on Suikoden, it isn't putting anywhere near 70% up on Star Ocean, and so forth. Unless you expect Star Ocean to be one of the weakest things to ever enter a contest, then you better not be expecting 70%.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:37:42 PM | message detail
I'd definitely take Dragon Quest over Pokemon. I'd take Xenosaga over it, too.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:39:29 PM | message detail
You'd take Adventure over Pokémon. ;)

Now seriously, I really wish this had been Pokémon/Kirby and Metroid/Star Ocean.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:40:21 PM | message detail
I cannot FATHOM anyone with any knowledge of the contests not taking Kirby for the win there, but at least it's a good trap for casuals.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:40:35 PM | message detail
So that we can see Metroid face Kirby in round 2?

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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:41:09 PM | message detail
Yeah, but at least a ton of brackets would be destroyed on Pokémon/Kirby.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:42:10 PM | message detail
And KH, you'd be surprised. Anyone taking Pokémon over Metroid takes it over Kirby by default, and even there, many who picked Metroid to kill them both think Pokémon would beat Kirby. I'm dead serious.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/3/2006 1:46:18 PM | message detail
Another swap that would've been nice: Diablo and Shadow Hearts. RE/Diablo would probably have some people talking... at least more than what we have now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:46:27 PM | message detail
I would also like to say that Xenogears/Pokemon was another one of those matches that I got right and yet in retrospect cannot FATHOM how I did it (much like Ness/CJ) -- I only picked the dang thing because there's always a light buzz on the boards about it and due to the whole SquaRPG business, when match time came I was sure I was screwed. Then when only registered users could vote and Xenogears went 55-45 on it, I was certain that result would be reversed when it was open to the general public. Then Xenogears won by more.

I'm still confused by that match, and it doesn't have the convenient excuse of LOL RACISM either. =(
jonthomson | Posted 7/3/2006 1:47:27 PM | message detail
Another swap that would've been nice: Diablo and Shadow Hearts.

Both Blizzard franchises are horribly wasted.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/3/2006 1:48:25 PM | message detail
Another swap that would've been nice: Diablo and Shadow Hearts. RE/Diablo would probably have some people talking... at least more than what we have now.

Diablo would walk over RE.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:49:21 PM | message detail
I seriously doubt Diablo ends up higher in the stats than Resident Evil, and that's with potential FF/RE Something Funky Fiction going on...
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/3/2006 1:50:53 PM | message detail
Resident Evil lays waste to Diablo, you mean.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:51:12 PM | message detail
But yeah, that would have been a good switch. People would have been double-burned by overestimating Blizzard again (lol Warcraft).

Even when they get placed in unwinnable positions people overestimate the hell out of them. Did you see how many people had Diablo over Sonic last year?
SonicRaptor | Posted 7/3/2006 1:53:02 PM | message detail
Diablo beat Kefka. Resident Evil wouldn't pose a threat at all.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/3/2006 1:54:36 PM | message detail
Because beating Kefka makes you a MAN'S man!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:54:48 PM | message detail
Not even death can save you from SADDLER, YOU'RE SMALL TIME
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/3/2006 1:56:08 PM | message detail
Dear God,

Thank you for Kefka overestimation. I wish I wasn't part of the group that overestimates him every time, but it makes for great comedy.

KH
KamikazePotato | Posted 7/3/2006 2:03:50 PM | message detail
3 KamikazePotato Final Fantasy

My first time on the leaderboard, and it's at #3! *is happy*

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