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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 296

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/30/2006 11:18:44 AM | message detail
Like I read the rules!
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therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 11:19:06 AM | message detail
Brackets due Saturday. That was the first thing I noticed...
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/30/2006 11:19:25 AM | message detail
Touche.

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Phediuk | Posted 6/30/2006 11:39:42 AM | message detail
I present unto thee, stats topic...from the mind of Slowflake, but now from the hands of Phediuk...

*COMPARISONS GAME- (1) The Legend of Zelda vs. (8) Civilization*

Sales

I will chop off my own manhood if Civilization has higher sales than Zelda.

Advantage: Zelda

Number of Games

Zelda:

Main series-

The Legend of Zelda (NES, 1987)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, 1988)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES, 1992)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (GB, 1993)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, 1998)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64, 2000)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC, 2001)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC, 2001)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports-

The Legend of Zelda (FDS, 1986)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (FDS, 1987)
Link: The Faces of Evil (CDi, 1992)
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon (CDi, 1993)
Zelda's Adventure (CDi, 1995)
BS Zelda (SNES, 1994)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX (GBC, 1998)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/The Four Swords (GBA, 2002)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Master Quest (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: Collectors' Edition (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GC, 2004)
Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda (GBA, 2004)
Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (GBA, 2005)

Total: 23
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Civilization:

Main series:

Civilization (PC, 1991)
Civilization II (PC, 1996)
Civilization III (PC, 2001)
Civilization IV (PC, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports:

Civilization (Amiga, 1988)
Civilization (Atari ST, 1988)
Civilization (Macintosh, 1991)
Civilization (SNES, 1994)
Civilization (PSX, 1996)
Civilization II Scenarios: Conflicts in Civilization (PC, 1996)
Civilization II (Macintosh, 1997)
Civilization II: Multiplayer Gold Edition (PC, 1997)
Civilization II (PSX, 1998)
Civilization: Call to Power (PC, 1999)
Civilization: Call to Power (Macintosh, 1999)
Civilization: Call to Power (Linux, 1999)
Civilization: Call to Power (BeOS, 1999)
Civilization II: Test of Time (PC, 1999)
Call to Power II (PC, 2000)
Civilization III (Macintosh, 2002)
Civilization III: Play the World (PC, 2002)
Civilization III: Conquests (PC, 2003)
Civilization III: Gold Edition (PC, 2003)
Civilization (N-Gage, 2006)

Total:24

Advantage: Civilization

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

Zelda:

The Legend of Zelda- 21
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link- 23
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- 23
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening- 16
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time- 70
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask- 36
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons- 20
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages- 25
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- 42
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap- 19
Total- 295

Civilization:

Civilization- 5
Civilization II- 7
Civilization III- 10
Civilization IV- 3
Total- 25

Advantage: Zelda
Phediuk | Posted 6/30/2006 11:39:56 AM | message detail
Average review score/Number of reviews:

Name of game- Average review score (number of reviews)

Zelda:

The Legend of Zelda- 9.49 (35)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link- 8.23 (48)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- 9.41 (51)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening- 8.97 (38)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time- 9.03 (75)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask- 8.38 (60)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons- 9.16 (32)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages- 9.44 (32)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- 8.67 (96)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap- 8.65 (52)

Civilization:

Civilization- 8.89 (9)
Civilization II- 9.39 (18)
Civilization III- 7.17 (29)
Civilization IV- 8.71 (14)

Advantage: Zelda/Zelda

Board activity:

I again agree to sever my genitals if Civ has more board activity than Zelda.

Advantage: Zelda

Board Odds Project

I don't even need to look to know it's 120-something to 0. For Zelda.

Advantage: Zelda

Previous contest representation

The numbers in brackets are the character's/game's place on the unadjusted X-stats, except for the Top 100 contest, which is done by their ranking on the Top 100.

Zelda:

SC2002-

Link (1st)

SC2003-

Link (2nd)
Ganondorf (11th)
Zelda (19th)

Sp2004-

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (2nd)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4th)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (9th)
The Legend of Zelda (14th)

SC2004-

Link (1st)
Ganondorf (54th)

Sp2005-

Ganondorf (2nd)

SC2005-

Link (1st)
Zelda (14th)
Ganondorf (25th)

Top 100-

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (#2)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (#4)
The Legend of Zelda (#30)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (#45)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (#46)

Civilization:

None. Absolutely jack-****.

Intangibles:

Absolutely everything in this match is in favor of Zelda. Zelda has nostalgia factor, Nintendo factor, name recognition factor, pseudo-RPG factor, Link-won-the-Summer-Contest-three-****ing-times factor, my-balls-will-remain-perfectly-intact-after-this-match factor, and so on.

Conclusion:

Solid 80+% win for Zelda.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/30/2006 11:41:15 AM | message detail
Zelda gonna rape everything not named FF.
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Phediuk | Posted 6/30/2006 11:42:54 AM | message detail
Blast! All that work, and I still forgot one category.

Hype

Zelda:

Twilight Princess. Aside from that, people are always talking about Zelda, so it always has a bit of hype going for it.

Civilization:

Mm hmm. I kinda forgot this series existed from about a week after Civ IV's release until the bracket for this contest was released.

Advantage: Zelda
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Slowflake | Posted 6/30/2006 11:44:41 AM | message detail
*claps*

Brilliant.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2006 11:45:13 AM | message detail
You forgot spinoff FAQ hits! :(

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Phediuk | Posted 6/30/2006 11:46:17 AM | message detail
And you can have fun going through all 160 Mario releases to get the FAQ numbers for them when the time comes.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/30/2006 11:47:40 AM | message detail
Don't bother with the numbers, just say Mario and be done with it.
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Internet Warbot | Posted 6/30/2006 12:44:23 PM | message detail
bump
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therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 12:45:25 PM | message detail
Dude, nobody needs to bump the stats topics.
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jonthomson | Posted 6/30/2006 2:26:29 PM | message detail
The first in a series of mediocre analysis posts. As an aside, I just won $8,000 playing poker.

Match 1 - Legend Of Zelda vs Civilization

As usual, we kick off with an easy match to call. The Zelda series is one of only two genuine contenders to win the whole thing (although some would say that it doesn't have a chance and that FF winning is horribly obv), with two of the top five "best games ever" in its stable, and a scattering of good games crossing every generation of Nintendo's hardware.

Then we have Civilization, a series that I'm mildly surprised made it in at all, especially considering some of the notable snubs we have. There's no real read on how strong it is, not that that will matter seeing how it's not whether Zelda will win, but by how much. My initial instincts are for something in the mid-'80s - it's primarily a PC-based series, and the PC is never that popular around these parts apart from a couple of exceptions.

There's not too much to talk about with this one, Zelda and FF will just be putting out markers in the first two rounds, each facing similar opponents. The significance of this match, if any, won't be noticed for a couple of weeks until Final Fantasy can issue a retort.

Bracket says: Zelda
Favourites bracket says: Zelda
Vote says: Zelda
Prediction: Zelda with 87.32%

Fun fact for the day: jonthomson probably first noticed board 8 when trying to work out how on earth Zero beat Scorpion. It is believed he entered a bracket for 2003, but the score is lost.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/30/2006 2:34:17 PM | message detail
I thought Zero winning was obvious. Even before extrapolation became used, I knew Scorpion only made it far the year before because his path was a complete joke.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 3:40:20 PM | message detail
I knew Zero was winning because Zero is just that awesome.
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stingers135 | Posted 6/30/2006 3:41:50 PM | message detail
Official Stupid Whiner Topic Seconds Game Topic

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28984843

Fool!
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/30/2006 3:44:00 PM | message detail
Quaarma Hunter's Quaint Qubandwagon Quanalysis

Today's Match: The Legend of Zelda v. Civilization

Well, here's a match that the board seems to be quite unanimous on, and for good reason: they're all incredibly foolish. Nintendo bias, Link bias, Legend of Zelda bias, it's all there and it sticks out like a sore thumb so irritatingly that it would be ridiculous if it indicated that some people on this site actually *LIKED* Legend of Zelda. Well, aside from those hardcore few, NO ONE CARES, and Civilization is going to benefit in a big way.

First, let's look at the character contests. Link has come first in three, and the only one that he has lost in he came in second. That would seem to help LoZ's cause in a big way, except that no one cares about Link because of his games! They only vote for him because he's a dull lifeless mute that wears green, and every other character besides him either has some glaring flaw or doesn't wear green, which is even worse. And he has a sword, which decides those tough matches. The only time he lost was when his match picture's incarnation of him was the one with hair that defied the laws of physics, which magically caused people to forget that they actually liked Link over Cloud. So we can cleanly disregard all of those things.
Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/30/2006 3:44:14 PM | message detail
So now let's take a look at the game contest, which has the only pieces of evidence that can actually apply here. Yeah, Civilization didn't make it in, but that was due to the horribly flawed nomination system. Starcraft, the powerhouse of the 128 division (which was screwed out of victory by Ceej's 'cheating' allegation -- c'mon, Korean Rush!) only garnered a 16 seed, and it didn't have any game with which it had to realistically split votes with. Any PC fan can tell you any Civilization game is far superior (and if you disagree, you're obviously not 4REAL, are you?!), and it has so many incarnations that it's impossible to gauge its strength. It has the potential to win this entire contest (though it won't, more on the *real* winner coming in later analyses). Just think of 24 installments with Starcraft level strength and higher, and just imagine the utter destruction. It's going to be ugly for LoZ.

And LoZ, which was actually *in* the game contest, gives nothing but evidence for its failure. Look at the original Legend of Zelda, which got a frjoinking 3 seed under Tetris. First it gives up a ridiculous amount of the vote to Adventure, which I'm pretty sure isn't even an actual game. Already starts at a disadvantage. Then it gets easy rSFF matches all the way up to SMB3, where even massive amounts of rSFF can't save it from the inevitable pounding. Negligible.

Then look to LttP and its pathetic six seed. First it lets Gunstar Heroes break 8000 votes on it...again, something I'm reasonably sure isn't a real game. Then a rSFF match against pathetic Super Metroid, beating FFVI (the Final Fantasy time forgot) and then it lost to Chrono Trigger, of all things. Chrono Trigger? Did you see how Knuckles owned Magus?

Then OoT, which got the biggest breaks of all. First it got the luck of going up against Fallout 2, which would have had an unprecedented 99% blowout except everyone who has actually played Fallout 2 to completion has attained a state of nirvana and have left these flimsy earthbound shells. Then the standard rSFF against Mario 64, and then sneaks a win against Goldeneye while everyone else was playing one of those dreadful Bunker Slappers Only matches. Then it gets beaten by Final Fantasy VII, of all things -- which only beat MGS in the first place because FFT fans anti-voted it in a massive rage. After all, it's generally accepted that FFT > FFVII by miles, right?

Then we finally come to Wind Waker. Skies of Arcadia? STOP PUTTING ZELDA GAMES UP AGAINST THINGS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST. Metroid Prime? More like the game that almost lost to Gordon Freeman's game, mirite? And then of course, it loses to Starcraft despite all the obvious cheating Wind Waker attempted to get away with. And we've already established how much Civ > Craft.

And let's not forget Civilization is an actual numerical series. Zelda has Zelda I, Zelda II, and a bunch of remakes with different subtitles that make no sense. I mean, wtf is an ocarina? Even if people like the games, they can't respect it as a series, and that will cause massive anti-votes.

In short, Civilization has this one in the bag. I wouldn't be surprised if it broke 90%, but I'll go conservative on this one. The first ever first match blowout by the lower seed is on our hands, people: history in the making.

Prediction: Civilization with 88.7%
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/30/2006 4:45:24 PM | message detail
Dude, nobody needs to bump the stats topics.

My first post in a stats topic (in part 2) was a bump. The topic was actually slow enough in those days to warrant a bump, but mine turned out to be useless as Slowflake posted a lengthy analysis a few minutes later.
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transients | Posted 6/30/2006 4:46:17 PM | message detail
*changes bracket*
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/30/2006 4:46:48 PM | message detail
By the way, when will the guru topic be up?
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transients | Posted 6/30/2006 4:47:27 PM | message detail
probably tomorrow or so.

I just went searching for match pics, but with no luck.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/30/2006 4:48:56 PM | message detail
Contest Analysis Crew status: Obsolete.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 6/30/2006 4:55:06 PM | message detail
Damn right!
therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 4:59:27 PM | message detail
Your face is obsolete! I worked hard dammit!
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cyko | Posted 6/30/2006 5:01:45 PM | message detail
Brackets due Saturday. That was the first thing I noticed...

well, dang. i completely missed that this morning. blast. i thought it was starting tonight. 28 more hours to go then!! >_>

I thought Zero winning was obvious. Even before extrapolation became used, I knew Scorpion only made it far the year before because his path was a complete joke.

I knew Zero was winning because Zero is just that awesome.


heh, i thought both of those things when i saw Zero vs. Scorpion. in fact, IIRC, i was one of the few (if not the only) people who said Zero would come dangerously close to beating Sonic.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/30/2006 5:02:41 PM | message detail
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28987182

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warning_crazy | Posted 6/30/2006 5:20:05 PM | message detail
Okay newb question, but all the people who sumbitted anyalises(sp) M_M and therealmm and leohart and harrich and all the other people i will spell just as miserbly, where do you read that?
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Nominate the Gray Fox FC2K6!
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therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 5:35:36 PM | message detail
They get posted in this topic, and Moltar also makes his own Analysis Crew topic.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/30/2006 6:53:54 PM | message detail
So, with a day to go, which pick do you feel most uncomfortable about now?

I hate to say it, especially since I think there will be closer matches...but Pokemon/SO is givin' me the most heeby-jeebies.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/30/2006 6:56:55 PM | message detail
Metal Gear/Kingdom Hearts

Metal Gear will most likely take it easily, but none of us have any clue how recency will factor into the voting, and Kingdom Hearts currently has the most popular game on the site.
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
LeonhartForever | Posted 6/30/2006 7:14:46 PM | message detail
in fact, IIRC, i was one of the few (if not the only) people who said Zero would come dangerously close to beating Sonic.

I don't know about the "only" one. If I recall, the last perfect went down on Zero/Sonic.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 7:18:50 PM | message detail
Silent Hill/Fire Emblem. No really... I'm serious.
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Viviff | Posted 6/30/2006 7:22:06 PM | message detail
I can't win the guru contest with out a Silent Hill win, so I'm with you
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/30/2006 7:22:08 PM | message detail
I had Zero over Sonic in my 2K3 fun bracket. Eh, at least he didn't bomb.
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
LeonhartForever | Posted 6/30/2006 7:22:50 PM | message detail
I haven't really thought much about my bracket since I changed to Mario Kart > Mega Man. I'm sticking with it, and I feel confident.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
RPGuy96 | Posted 6/30/2006 7:24:13 PM | message detail
Mega Man/Mario Kart. It feels inconsistent to have Mega Man > Mario Kart and SSB > Sonic...and I'm fairly certain about SSB > Sonic. The last contest, pretty much the only Square > Nintendo debated match that I had was Vivi over Zelda, and that didn't turn out so well. So consistency is probably a good thing.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/30/2006 7:44:35 PM | message detail
That's why I have Castlevania > Kingdom Hearts, Sonic > SSB, and Mega Man > Mario Kart.
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Draco1214 | Posted 6/30/2006 7:46:13 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Mario Kart. I have Mega Man for that one, but it could really go either way.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/30/2006 7:49:00 PM | message detail
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, because I'm confident that SotN beats any single Sonic or Mega Man game. As a series, Sonic and Mega Man have a much more even distribution between games than Castlevania does...though I'm convinced that CV isn't as skewed towards SotN as this topic would like to think.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/30/2006 7:50:27 PM | message detail
I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, because I'm confident that SotN beats any single Sonic or Mega Man game. As a series, Sonic and Mega Man have a much more even distribution between games than Castlevania does...though I'm convinced that CV isn't as skewed towards SotN as this topic would like to think.

Well, it's not completely fair, but when you combine Castlevania's larger number of games with the fact that it's facing a series with two games and then a series with three games, the comparison is viable.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/30/2006 7:52:59 PM | message detail
And yeah, this topic seems convinced that SOTN makes up 95% of Castlevania's fanbase.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/30/2006 7:53:04 PM | message detail
Yeah, I got your point, I just wanted to point out that CV is in a slightly different boat than the other two. And it isn't facing a Nintendo side series.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/30/2006 7:54:35 PM | message detail
LoZ is gonna crush Civ. so bad everyone will assume it'll dominate the whole contest.

FF performance won't help much against Diablo. My 2 cents.

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TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 6/30/2006 7:56:41 PM | message detail
Legend of Zelda gets low 80s. Final Fantasy gets low-to-mid 70s.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/30/2006 7:57:26 PM | message detail
LoZ get's high 80s, FF gets high 60s.

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TheKeyofDestiny | Posted 6/30/2006 7:58:48 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VII alone would be expected to get mid-60s against StarCraft. Now throw the ENTIRE series against Diablo (which I would wager probably isn't quite as popular), and I see FF breaking 70% easily.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/30/2006 7:59:19 PM | message detail
And yeah, this topic seems convinced that SOTN makes up 95% of Castlevania's fanbase.

Ummm... not me. I've been saying for the longest that SotN isn't all there is to the Castlevania series. It may be the most popular game, but it damn sure isn't the only game they care about.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/30/2006 8:01:55 PM | message detail
Ganondorf got mid-60s against Diablo. I'd expect the FF series to do considerably better than that against his series. Not 80%, but still.
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