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Slowflake | Posted 6/29/2006 9:42:25 PM | message detail

Maybe, but TWO brackets is a far cry from the support CV, Mario Kart or Warcraft have regardless.
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Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado

LordOfDabu | Posted 6/29/2006 9:50:22 PM | message detail

I thought the reason the BOP was so one-sided was because Slowflake screened brackets beforehand, which would cause many people to stick with the majority on all but a few picks so that their bracket won't get discarded for having too many upsets.

No offense to Slowflake. That was just my impression.
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Enter The GameFAQs StarCraft Tournament of Champions 2006:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000184&topic=28674294

Karma Hunter | Posted 6/29/2006 9:51:54 PM | message detail

I would have actually thought Halo would have been a far more tantalizing prospect for the division based on stats alone. I mean, stat-wise it's already got the advantage on KH, but it's also got the advantage on Metal Gear, and there's no Snake/Sora waiting in the wings to give help on that front. The main thing that gives me MG the division, naturally, are the Top Ten list and Starcraft potentially overrating Halo...but if it turns out the Top Ten List is unreliable and Starcraft was actually reliable, things could get weird.

Karma Hunter | Posted 6/29/2006 9:52:48 PM | message detail

Slowflake | Posted 6/29/2006 9:52:55 PM | message detail

dotdotdot

I never had to screen out a bracket before the Radical fiasco. I should've done it to the bracket with DDR in the finals, but I couldn't be bothered to do it retroactively.

Even there, Radical's bracket has been counted, even though I still think it's a stupid idea.
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Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado

THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 9:53:57 PM | message detail

Well, we know that StarCraft is unreliable to a point because there were a good deal of cheated votes that were not removed from its match with SSBM.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

LordOfDabu | Posted 6/29/2006 9:54:40 PM | message detail

Perhaps I should change my wording to "threat of screening."

Don't get the wrong idea. We all appreciate the hard work you put into it.
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Enter The GameFAQs StarCraft Tournament of Champions 2006:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000184&topic=28674294

Slowflake | Posted 6/29/2006 9:56:30 PM | message detail

Do you think I have any choice but to do that? Zero brackets, favorite brackets and the like don't make for reliable data.
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Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado

Karma Hunter | Posted 6/29/2006 10:01:04 PM | message detail

Do Starcraft, Halo, and Kingdom Hearts (and even Soul Calibur) drop to any significant number in the stats if you subtract their cheated votes?

Or perhaps it would be more prudent to ask how many cheated votes there were in the first place...Ceej could only confirm so many, and from what I remember of those updates there HAD to be more.

THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 10:02:59 PM | message detail

I believe it was mentioned (TRE would probably have to back up the topic, if he has it) to be around 2500-3000 votes, somewhere in that area.

If that's the case, I believe StarCraft, Halo, and Wind Waker all drop below Final Fantasy X. It's not enough to drop any of those below Vice City, but it makes for a closer match there.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

LordOfDabu | Posted 6/29/2006 10:04:36 PM | message detail

"Do you think I have any choice but to do that? Zero brackets, favorite brackets and the like don't make for reliable data."

I don't know. There are zero and favorite brackets in the actual contest but that doesn't make the prediction percentages unreliable. It really depends on what percentage of the entries you think would be a zero or favorite; if it's low then the rest of the entries will effectively make their impact minimal.
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Enter The GameFAQs StarCraft Tournament of Champions 2006:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000184&topic=28674294

Slowflake | Posted 6/29/2006 10:06:57 PM | message detail

That's true, but the size of the sample vs. the overall number of brackets doesn't give much room for tampering with the stats. No one has ever submitted a zero bracket, and only two brackets have ever been outlandish enough to not look serious (Radical and the DDR one).
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Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado

Ngamer64 | Posted 6/29/2006 10:08:14 PM | message detail

Wish folks would remember that every Contest-related CJay post is stored in the Archives...

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/04Spring/CJaySpeaks.txt

The Starcraft vote surge...
From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2004 10:23:59 PM | Message Detail
Seeing a lot of proxy server votes for Starcraft, from votes # 76000 to 79000. Looks like
someone got real sloppy; this is kind of obvious. I may end up throwing out that entire block
of 3000 votes unless I can sort out the legitimate from the proxy votes. Let me see what I can
do here...

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I'm drunk with power!
Wait, no, "Buttershots". I'm drunk with "Buttershots"!

400 proxy votes found all lined up in a row... all for Starcraft.
From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2004 11:06:25 PM | Message Detail
I still haven't found the proxy list this guy used, but I'm piecing it together.

So far, I've found 400 votes for Starcraft made through proxy servers, all coming pretty much
one after another. You can actually see when the proxy program starts in the server logs. This
is a case of one person (or a couple of them) going through all the trouble of creating a
program to auto-vote through proxy server after proxy server. I can only hope they're doing it
for the fun of it and not for their own contest entry.

I mean, you usually see 1-2 votes from known proxies an hour, but those votes are for both
sides. Then suddenly, between votes #75562 and #78961, there are over 400 votes for Starcraft,
all from known proxies. Of course, I'm fairly sure another 300-400 votes in that range are
from proxies as well, but I'm still hunting them down.

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I'm drunk with power!
Wait, no, "Buttershots". I'm drunk with "Buttershots"!

Ngamer64 | Posted 6/29/2006 10:08:33 PM | message detail

Okay, I'm tired of looking...
From: CJayC | Posted: 6/3/2004 11:57:23 PM | Message Detail
Total confirmed open proxy votes found for Starcraft: 637

There are likely more, but I've exhaused all of the public open proxy lists I know. All of the
votes came within a specific time frame, and 100% of them were for Starcraft (something that
can't really be passed off as a coincidence). They started off heavy, then slowed down (I
guess as the guy exhausted his lists).

There are likely more than the 637 I found, but I was only going by public lists (i.e. ones I
could find on Google). How I found them: Looked up a suspect vote IP address on Google with
the word "proxy" as well, and then taking the lists that popped up and adding them into my
known proxy list. I started with around 200 that I already knew about (I hadn't updated my
lists in a year and a half), then found the other 400+ through Google tonight.

Oh, and this is pretty telling:
http://www.cjayc.com/kekekeke.png

The plot points are votes per game per 1000 votes.

And now, for the frequently whined questions:

How do you know that these are all fradulent votes?

They're from known open proxy servers (most of them in countries like Malaysia, Turkey, China,
and so on), 100% of them are for Starcraft, and they all came in a huge rush (as if someone
started off a program to vote automatically).

How do you know that this didn't happen earlier in the contest?

I don't know, but I'm fairly sure, given that there wasn't a surge like this on any other
contest. Every other lead change has been gradual and taken hours to fully come about; a 1000
vote gain in an hour isn't normal.

You're just a Nintendo fanboy, aren't you?

How sad is it this? I mean, I've been accused of being for/against so many different companies
at this point, it's not even funny. Just a day ago, I was anti-Nintendo for not finding any
cheating going on in the LTTP battle...

For the record, I don't care who wins, as long as both sides play as fairly as the other. If
you'll recall what I said just a day or two ago, the only kind of "cheating" that I would
remove votes for was when one person attempted to seriously sway the contest vote all by
themselves, and low and behold, someone got desparate enough to try it. If you were online and
watching it when the swing happened, there can't really be any question that this wasn't
legitimate.

So, what are you going to do about this?

I'm not sure. Ask me in an hour. The options range from nothing (if SSBM holds out), to
removing all proxy server votes, removing all votes within the known "cheating" timeframe, or
even a complete re-run of today's battle from scratch, with new intensive security measures in
place to prevent this from happening again.

You're just making this up, aren't you?

Why in the hell would I open myself up to this much criticism without a valid reason? I mean,
seriously, tracking this crap down has been an amazing waste of my time that I could have
spent updating the site. Instead, we've got some guy attempting to ruin things for his own
personal benefit, and that's not right.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 10:11:19 PM | message detail

If you were online and
watching it when the swing happened, there can't really be any question that this wasn't
legitimate.

The funny thing about this is some of the StarCraft fans were trying to pass it off as legit...
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

Karma Hunter | Posted 6/29/2006 10:12:21 PM | message detail

I'm quite aware of how many votes Ceej himself found, thank you, it's just that there almost HAD to be more. I was wondering if there was any board consensus on that front, much like the consensus on other debated matches (like Ceej actually throwing out only a portion of Crono's cheated votes in Mario/Crono I).

THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 10:13:51 PM | message detail

There's really no way of knowing for certain exactly how many votes StarCraft cheated, but it definitely had to be more than just what CJayC found. After all, SSBM was up by around 2500 when the swing began, I recall.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/29/2006 10:23:11 PM | message detail

From the update topic:

17:30 | Starcraft | 35757 | +0452 | 47.55% | SSBM | 39448 | +0553 | 52.45% | Lead of 3691 | (Up 101)
17:45 | Starcraft | 36719 | +0962 | 47.89% | SSBM | 39958 | +0510 | 52.11% | Lead of 3239 | (Down 452)
18:00 | Starcraft | 38156 | +1437 | 48.51% | SSBM | 40500 | +0542 | 51.49% | Lead of 2344 | (Down 895)
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 10:24:32 PM | message detail

So you're looking at around 1500 cheating votes in that 30 minute period alone, based on how much StarCraft's votes went up.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/29/2006 10:34:15 PM | message detail

By the way, has there actually been a Who's Who page go up for this contest?

And I'm wondering what the link to the first match picture will be. I'm definitely interested to see what the theme will be for this round.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 10:51:36 PM | message detail

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28973178

I'm assuming 9 P.M. means Pacific Time Zone, so midnight start for the contest?

YES!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2006 10:53:41 PM | message detail

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28973178

Woohoo!

~*ST*~
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Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 10:54:11 PM | message detail

OLD'D!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2006 10:58:30 PM | message detail

LAST CALL for gurus. I'm making the topic in 30 minutes. If you've been waiting to sign up, get to it:

Your Contest Gurus

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns
120 - ff6man

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne

therealmnm | Posted 6/29/2006 10:59:58 PM | message detail

Wait, so a poll ends right when the 2nd Night vote sets in now? Which means that day vote ralliers will be up until the poll ends? Halo levels up!
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC

UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2006 11:01:35 PM | message detail

From therealmnm Posted 6/30/2006 1:59:58 AM #225
Wait, so a poll ends right when the 2nd Night vote sets in now? Which means that day vote ralliers will be up until the poll ends? Halo levels up!

There's only one night vote now, just like it was back in 2002/2003.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne

arkenaga | Posted 6/29/2006 11:03:23 PM | message detail

Sir Chris wants in but is a lazy bum, so I'm doing it for him.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns
120 - ff6man
121 - Sir Chris

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 11:03:25 PM | message detail

I don't quite see how that changes things...It's still the same 24 hour span.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

Sir Chris | Posted 6/29/2006 11:03:27 PM | message detail

wtf I put my name on the list add me :O
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/29/2006 11:03:28 PM | message detail

Actually making the guru topic this early might be a bad idea. Look for it tomorrow evening, around 7 pm EST.

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Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne

Master Moltar | Posted 6/29/2006 11:04:51 PM | message detail

12 AM EST start time FTW!!!

Excellent, excellent news. Hell, if it's the same for the Summer, I'll actually stay up for the new poll on a school night.
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Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin.

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 11:06:41 PM | message detail

Wait...that means the 24 hours and counting mark passed and we didn't even get to celebrate it!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

creativename | Posted 6/29/2006 11:08:11 PM | message detail

I check into this topic at the ideal moment: finding out the voting ends at midnight eastern.

Great news!!!

Our hopes have been fulfilled. Let us all be thankful. Let us sacrifice an XBox to the altar of Gamefaqs.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/29/2006 11:08:46 PM | message detail

Awesome poll starting time.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/29/2006 11:10:25 PM | message detail

I don't quite see how that changes things...It's still the same 24 hour span.

The majority of America will be up for the end of the poll. Which means in really close matches, there is potential for much more rallying in the end. Sure, it means a longer night vote... but in close matches with lots of rallying, we've seen the back of the poll loaded with votes. It's kinda hard to put into words though. Didn't Mario/Crono 2 end with heavy rallying for Mario?
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 11:11:46 PM | message detail

Yes, "rallying" for Mario.

Of course, Mario/Crono I ended with heavy "rallying" for Crono as well, so take that as you will.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 11:16:19 PM | message detail

Hmmm...I wonder what our 21 hour poll will be, and if it will be contest related.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

therealmnm | Posted 6/29/2006 11:30:46 PM | message detail

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=11&topic=28973311

CJayC explains
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC

LeonhartForever | Posted 6/29/2006 11:51:48 PM | message detail

Man, you know this board is starved for a contest when arguments about the start time of the poll changing break out.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden

SquallidSnake | Posted 6/29/2006 11:58:15 PM | message detail

creative, I'm curious: You are intending to do the poll updater for this contest, right?
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/30/2006 12:01:19 AM | message detail

Ahh, I should've guessed that's what the poll would be about.
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Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.

Ngamer64 | Posted 6/30/2006 12:54:29 AM | message detail

Just goes to show you, if you want something done around here, you've got to have Ulti suggest it, CJay create a horribly biased poll, disregard the results of said poll, have Ulti ask again 5 months later, and watch while CJay implements it.

...no wonder so little gets done around here!

And speaking of the Guru, our old pal Haste2 will be competing once again! Unfortunately he sort of killed his account, so I'll do him a favor and tack him on.

Hurry and Sign Up!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns
120 - ff6man
121 - Sir Chris
122 - Haste2

The only True Guru we're still missing is Ringworm... Has anyone seen him around lately? Or know his AIM SN?

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SonicLink15 | Posted 6/30/2006 12:56:08 AM | message detail

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns
120 - ff6man
121 - Sir Chris
122 - Haste2
123 - Soniclink15
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Redtooth | Posted 6/30/2006 2:35:56 AM | message detail

creativename | Posted 6/30/2006 3:41:10 AM | message detail

creative, I'm curious: You are intending to do the poll updater for this contest, right?

Yes. Though I will probably update the rest of the site more infrequently.
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cyko | Posted 6/30/2006 4:14:55 AM | message detail

ok, you know you pay too much attention to these contests when you wake up, notice that contest polls will start and end at 11 PM (my time), and say, "that just completely made my day!!"

i am quite pleased to see earlier poll changes. that's completely awesome. finally, i can watch the end of a match again!!!

only about 16 hours and 46 minutes to go!!

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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 6/30/2006 4:20:14 AM | message detail

Hell yes. I might even start caring about the contest now that it's gonna start at 9PM again.
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PIHB | Posted 6/30/2006 4:24:43 AM | message detail

Heroic Viktor | Posted 6/30/2006 4:52:44 AM | message detail

My first contest since joining the work force! Will be interesting to see how much I can check the results from 8am-5pm CST. I do love the ending the match at 11 CST though; means I will actually be around to see the end of practically every single match, unless I go out for the night. A decision that has been long in the making. Kudos. And go Kingdom Hearts!

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hero of time 43 | Posted 6/30/2006 5:39:38 AM | message detail

Not too late to sign up?

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns
120 - ff6man
121 - Sir Chris
122 - Haste2
123 - Soniclink15
124 - Redtooth
125 - Shake (winn4r)
126- hero of time 43
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