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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 295
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| charmander6000 | Posted 6/28/2006 12:55:34 PM | message detail |
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Bowser/Ness SFF? --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 12:55:46 PM | message detail |
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A few of those SH-related polls are pointing to it being weaker than
Suikoden. I dunno about you, but I'd choose FE to beat Suikoden without
a second thought. No Suikoden game has broken 100,000 in sales in the
US, while FE7 has sold over 400,000 over here. Pffft. Suikoden has a small, but dedicated fanbase on this site. It will always have votes in a GotY style poll no matter who it goes against. We've already established that Silent Hill does not really have a dedicated fanbase on this site. What matters is how many votes it can draw from people who are casual fans of the series against Fire Emblem. I reiterate that you cannot determine that from GotY style polls. Think Pac-Man. Put him in a favorite characters poll with a bunch of popular characters (not necessarily Nintendo and SFF, but just a bunch of characters. Throw Snake, Leon Kennedy, Dante, Conker, Kefka, etc.). He would probably get creamed in a poll like that. But we all know that he definitely can hold his own against any non-Nintendo midcarder or below. I'm not saying that Silent Hill is as well-known as Pac-Man. I'm just saying how it will probably get its votes. Casuals that aren't huge fans of the series, but would probably give it a vote purely out of recognition against an opponent that won't be terribly strong. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/28/2006 1:09:41 PM | message detail |
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FE/SH reminds me of Vergil/Ghaleon --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi * Is Dranze * |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/28/2006 1:14:42 PM | message detail |
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Except the cultish RPG series will be winning this time. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 6/28/2006 1:51:36 PM | message detail |
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I agree with mnm. That's a very good point, and this is a stealth tag! >_> --- People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii... for the price of one PS3. - Peter Moore |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/28/2006 3:09:20 PM | message detail |
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FE/SH reminds me of Vergil/Ghaleon DMC would crush Silent Hill 70/30 or worse. Lunar and FE would be pretty close though. That still points to FE winning that match. I'm not saying that Silent Hill is as well-known as Pac-Man. I'm just saying how it will probably get its votes. Casuals that aren't huge fans of the series, but would probably give it a vote purely out of recognition against an opponent that won't be terribly strong. How is casual support an argument for Silent Hill? Those games sell like ass, so even in the casual area FE would have a recognition advantage. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/28/2006 3:15:04 PM | message detail |
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If anything, that polls shows that Silent Hill can get plenty of
votes in the right circumstances. It probably would have murdered that
poll (unsurprisingly) in the absence of Resident Evil. That "None of
them" option is for people who aren't fans of the genre at all,
including Resident Evil. It has little to do with Silent Hill itself. I disagree completely. I would only vote for RE in that poll, had it not been there none of them would have been my answer. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/28/2006 3:19:11 PM | message detail |
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No need to respond to my post... should have read the entire topic first, but I'm tired. Also, while reading HaRR's post I was thinking to myself "WTF is he trying to point out" because I wasn't even paying attention to a series getting 1% as beneficial. Once I realized I had a hearty laugh. >_> --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/28/2006 3:36:14 PM | message detail |
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"Whoops! I've become so used to the first post being filled with
completely useless links that I forgot we fixed that. >> " What are you talking about? it's still full of useless links. If I were running this show there'd be 4-5 links on there tops. There's so much junk on there now that no one bothers reading any of it. 'If anything, that polls shows that Silent Hill can get plenty of votes in the right circumstances." Well, it was dead even with "I hate the friggin genre" as far as I can tell. So it'd go about 50/50 against "I don't care" in a poll. Maybe. I'm not sure it'd even be able to win if it got that match. "No Suikoden game has broken 100,000 in sales in the US," Umm, actually only one Suikoden game failed to sell at least 100k. And if PDS is any indication, sales mean nothing. The game got 2.5x as many votes as there were copies sold in america. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/28/2006 3:41:00 PM | message detail |
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Umm, actually only one Suikoden game failed to sell at least 100k.
And if PDS is any indication, sales mean nothing. The game got 2.5x as
many votes as there were copies sold in america. Ask HM. He probably has the numbers kicking around somewhere. And you failed to mention that PDS still got its ass kicked. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2006 3:41:15 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, when you only count the votes of people that had
actually PLAYED one of the series, Silent Hill and Resident Evil look
like this in that poll: Resident Evil 57.49% 29534 Silent Hill 21.23% 10906 TOTAL VOTES 51370 Compare it to the Gamecube GotY poll this past year (no editing done): Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 14.84% 9157 Resident Evil 4 66.74% 41180 TOTAL VOTES 61706 RE4 is likely bigger than the rest of its series (which is what RE represents in the top poll), though I'm not saying FE:PoR would beat the SH series. However, combine it with the other games and being exposed in SSBM, not to mention again that it is both Nintendo and a (S)RPG, and I would still give the favor to Fire Emblem. Oh, and my risky logic from earlier too..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/28/2006 3:42:53 PM | message detail |
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And you failed to mention that PDS still got its ass kicked. That's because it sold 3 copies. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/28/2006 3:54:24 PM | message detail |
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"Ask HM. He probably has the numbers kicking around somewhere." Why should I? I already know how much each Sui sold. Before HM became the king of this subject I was. The only difference is that he managed to find more sources after the one I know we BOTH used in the past went away for good. Anyway, off the top of my head I know Sui 1 sold ~130k, 2 was ~90k and 3 was ~190k. I can't see 4 dipping back down that far. Every game in the main series except two sold > 100k. "And you failed to mention that PDS still got its ass kicked." By GOLDENEYE!!! You'd have to be amoron to expect GoldenEye to lsoe that match. In fact, I think there aren't more than 8 opponents it would lose to. The win/loss isn't the important part. The fact that there are only 6,000 copies of PDS and it got 15,000 votes is. "For what it's worth, when you only count the votes of people that had actually PLAYED one of the series" Who cares what it looks like? If they haven't played it they won't vote for it, and they aren't going to suddenly stop existing. SH is in over its head, and can only win if FE is absurdly weak. SH doesn't even belong in this contest. "Compare it to the Gamecube GotY poll this past year" Why? FE is clearly more popular on handhelds. Why should I indirectly compare that way, which is absurd on its own, and then make the FE component the weakest it can be while SH is the strognest it can be (since the source of it is it as a series, which is stronger than any individual release). Not only is it bad logic, but even if it were good logic you're comparing apples to oranges. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/28/2006 4:03:49 PM | message detail |
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I was arguing in favor of FE -- if that's its weakest example and RE4
> the rest of the RE games, I think that's perfectly fine to point
out. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/28/2006 4:05:35 PM | message detail |
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Doesn't matter which side you're making the point for, the way you've gone about it is completely backwards. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 4:11:13 PM | message detail |
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How is casual support an argument for Silent Hill? Those games sell
like ass, so even in the casual area FE would have a recognition
advantage. Did you even read anything I said? How long has Silent Hill been around? It's not some obscure series. People know what it is, even if it doesn't have huge sales behind it. The original was fairly popular on the PSX and well marketed. Silent Hill 2 was well marketed for the PS2 and the Xbox. Silent Hill 4: The Room ads were everywhere. Even if it wasn't well received, it was still pretty visible. People know about Silent Hill. You don't have to be a big fan of the series to give it a vote you know. There are plenty of games I've never touched that I would vote for, given the right circumstances. It's not like Fire Emblem is widespread enough to get a huge majority of GameFAQs behind it. It's Nintendo fanbase and SSBM will be enough to get it by Silent Hill, but it won't be easy. If Silent Hill won, I wouldn't be surprised at all. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/28/2006 4:11:21 PM | message detail |
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So what are some good last minute picks to make? <_< --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 4:17:00 PM | message detail |
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*Its (hides from tranny) --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/28/2006 5:15:35 PM | message detail |
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Did you even read anything I said? How long has Silent Hill been around? It's not some obscure series. Yes it is. It hasn't even been around as long as Suikoden, and its sales are barely better. On GameFAQs, I'd be tempted to take Suikoden for the win in such a match, and if not for the movie I definitely would. The original was fairly popular on the PSX and well marketed. Since when? Silent Hill 2 was well marketed for the PS2 and the Xbox. Silent Hill 4: The Room ads were everywhere. I've seen more ads for Fire Emblem games than for SH games. SH's advertising presence was hardly overwhelming. It's not like Fire Emblem is widespread enough to get a huge majority of GameFAQs behind it. Isn't it? FE7 sold about as well as Symphony of the Night, and GameFAQs's RPG-bias will definitely give it an extra boost, especially against Silent Hill, of all things. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| cyko | Posted 6/28/2006 5:22:02 PM | message detail |
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I think the match picture might decide this one. If Fire Emblem gets Marth and/or Roy in it, I don't think the match would be in question. i agree with charmander on this one. i don't think that Fire Emblem pulls much discernable strength from SSBM. however, match pics are gonna make the biggest difference in matches where people don't know or don't care about the two choices. and almost everyone in this topic agrees that FE vs. SH will be the match of indifference. therefore, a picture or Roy and/or Marth could easily sway indifferent voters who are fans of SSBM (which happens to be one of the most popular games on this site). y'know, they could see Roy and/or Marth and say, "oh, hey - that's the series Roy and Marth are from. i'll vote for that!" --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/28/2006 5:54:45 PM | message detail |
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I have a feeling first round match pics will be bland. Simple logo's. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| ff6man | Posted 6/28/2006 6:03:19 PM | message detail |
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So uh, how about that guru contest signup? Here's mine just in case. >_> --- Currently playing: DDREX2, DDREX, FFVII, BoFIII, Beatmania |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 6/28/2006 6:15:25 PM | message detail |
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| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 6:20:57 PM | message detail |
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NGamer is so very kind. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 6:27:06 PM | message detail |
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There is currently a .02% between "I've never played MGS" and "I've
never played a Metal Gear game" right now (in favor of the former),
with the total number of voters for the last option being around the
same (17,000+). So we'll basically end up with more people overall
saying that they've never played a MG game than people saying they'd
never played MGS. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this. Either this speaks extremely highly of the original Metal Gear Solid, or the series has lost some of its following since last fall. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 6:34:58 PM | message detail |
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Heh heh, I was reading old stat topics, and I came across this: From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/1/2005 3:33:28 PM | Message Detail Heh, I write too much. HM and Leonhart just said what I said in my entire post in 3-4 lines. (-_-) My, how things have changed! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/28/2006 6:36:08 PM | message detail |
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Or some people are treating Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid as
different series. I really hope that doesn't affect any of MG's
matchups in the contest, or it could be in trouble. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 6:41:25 PM | message detail |
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 7/1/2005 3:33:28 PM | Message Detail Heh, I write too much. HM and Leonhart just said what I said in my entire post in 3-4 lines. (-_-) My, how things have changed! You took everything away from me! You... stole my birthright!!! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/28/2006 6:42:40 PM | message detail |
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Do you know what it feels like to know that you're garbage from the day that you were born?! --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 7:05:47 PM | message detail |
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Reminds me of a fanfic I did involving Brothers from FFVIII. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:32:09 PM | message detail |
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I'm telling ya guys, Metal Gear is not as strong as you assume. Had
Snake not walloped Sora last summer, we'd have a lot more people taking
the KH > MG risk. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 8:33:22 PM | message detail |
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Nearly 3/4 playability is pretty good, you know. Quite a few series on this site couldn't top that. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:34:00 PM | message detail |
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I was barely thinking about the poll. >_> --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 8:37:14 PM | message detail |
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So that comment purely came out of nowhere? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 8:37:50 PM | message detail |
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we'd have a lot more people taking the KH > MG risk. And a lot more people getting that match wrong. Metal Gear losing to Kingdom Hearts is just not one of those things that registers in my head as a possibility, or it losing to any game in its division. Kingdom Hearts is definitely big on this site, but I seriously doubt it could take on Metal Gear. I would take stronger series over Kingdom Hearts, but not take them over Metal Gear. Kingdom Hearts is definitely strong itself, but I doubt its ability to hang with something so strong. You practically have to be relying on Kingdom Hearts II doing some monstrous things to that series in such a short time. --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:38:27 PM | message detail |
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100% PURELY OUT OF NOWHERE --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 8:39:02 PM | message detail |
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I'm telling ya guys, Metal Gear is not as strong as you assume. Like I said before, I wouldn't bet on MG being the fourth strongest series. But you want me to consider frigging Kingdom Hearts over it...ignoring Snake/Sora, the series with the game that nearly lost to Soul Calibur (and that I've been harping on for multiple topics <_<)? I know you've said it before, so I'll neatly disagree again: no, KH is not one of the big dogs. MGS would cream it. MGS2 would have probably iked out a win too. If the top ten list is any indication, MGS3 would wallop it as well. Then there's the original MG games (which a surprising number of people have played looking at today) and the spinoffs...no, KH has no chance. I'm still vascillating on Halo/KH, no way am I giving it a shot at MG. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:42:25 PM | message detail |
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KH is not one of the big dogs. MGS would cream it. MGS2 would have
probably iked out a win too. If the top ten list is any indication,
MGS3 would wallop it as well. Unless you're referring to a different list... The Top 10 + 90 Games: The Users' Picks #1: Final Fantasy VII - PS #2: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - N64 #3: Chrono Trigger - SNES #4: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES #5: Super Mario Bros. 3 - NES #6: Super Smash Bros. Melee - GC #7: GoldenEye 007 - N64 #8: Metal Gear Solid - PS #9: Halo: Combat Evolved - XBOX #10: Final Fantasy III - SNES #11: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2 #12: Final Fantasy X - PS2 #13: Super Mario 64 - N64 #14: Resident Evil 4 - GC #15: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - PS #16: Kingdom Hearts - PS2 #17: Final Fantasy VIII - PS #18: Starcraft - PC #19: Final Fantasy Tactics - PS #20: Diablo II - PC #21: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - PS2 #22: Super Mario Bros. - NES #23: Super Mario World - SNES #24: Super Metroid - SNES #25: Half-Life 2 - PC #26: Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - SNES #27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2 #28: Pokemon Red - GB #29: Metroid Prime - GC #30: The Legend of Zelda - NES #31: Half-Life - PC #32: Xenogears - PS #33: Doom - PC #34: Tetris - GB #35: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2 #36: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - XBOX #37: EarthBound - SNES #38: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - GEN #39: World of Warcraft - PC #40: Devil May Cry - PS2 #41: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - PS2 Unless you think Snake's killer win over Sora is better evidence than that list and the SpC2K4 results, Kingdom Hearts would be the favorite against either MGS2 or MGS3. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Janus5000 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:45:48 PM | message detail |
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#16: Kingdom Hearts - PS2 #19: Final Fantasy Tactics - PS http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1626 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1642 Teehee. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 8:48:28 PM | message detail |
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I use the top ten list for MGS3 to point out that it has an edge over MGS2, which I would neatly take over KH. I put NO stock into KH's SpC2k4 rating thanks to Starcraft, and there's no telling what MGS3 does if it's the only MGS game on the drop down list, i.e. it obviously split votes. Would you take Soul Calibur over MGS2? To do so would be foolish, and a result of being blindsided by the stats just like everyone who was convinced -- utterly convinced -- that MGS2 > MGS thanks to the results of the game contest. Those of us who knew better disagreed, not because we had any evidence, but because it was BLOODY OBVIOUS who would win. The same will happen with MG/KH, assuming KH even makes it there. I'll sig bet, account bet, whatever, KH ain't winning that match. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:51:18 PM | message detail |
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Obviously, Metal Gear is the favorite. Do I expect KH to win? No. Am I
even sure it will get there? No. Would I be shocked if it broke 45% or
put up an even better fight? Nope. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 8:52:09 PM | message detail |
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#16: Kingdom Hearts - PS2 #18: Starcraft - PC *giggles with Janus* --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 8:55:27 PM | message detail |
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Unless you think Snake's killer win over Sora is better evidence
than that list and the SpC2K4 results, Kingdom Hearts would be the
favorite against either MGS2 or MGS3. First off, that list can rot because MGS2 is not losing to EarthBound or any game around that area. It would cream all of them. That is one of the many problems I have with that list, and its constant use never ceases to confuse me. Let's take a look at something I think holds a little more water ... Now, I think the chain of Metal Gear Solid games in strength is something like MGS > MGS3 > MGS2 (the exact opposite of my liking of them). Metal Gear Solid 2 ranks a whole two percent under Kingdom Hearts in the extrapolated stats. Certainly nothing that gives it "favorite" status in the manner I think you were implying. That does not even take into consideration that Kingdom Heart's is a bit higher than it should be due to StarCraft's cheating votes against SSBM never being removed. Looks like MGS2 ranks a bit above KH in this case. I think Metal Gear Solid is far and away the strongest Metal Gear game we're going to see on here. I have said I think it could have given SSBM a match, and I still believe that to be the case. Even if you don't, you have to think MGS is the strongest based off of numerous pieces of evidence we have pointing toward it. Give me MGS over KH and KHII. In a series contest like this, we're talking about everything between the two series. On top of there being no evidence to support Kingdom Hearts being able to beat Metal Gear, there is also Snake/Sora, where Snake demolished him. Again, you have to be relying on Kingdom Hearts II doing some ridiculous things in order to even consider it, I think. There is just nothing pointing to KH upsetting Metal Gear being a possibility. --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |
| Janus5000 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:56:52 PM | message detail |
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...Huh. >_>; Though I'm curious - before KH2, who would you have taken between FFT and KH? --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 8:57:51 PM | message detail |
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...Anyone think FFT might have rSFF'd MGS? I've never seen the idea thrown around before, to my knowledge. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 8:59:25 PM | message detail |
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Even if you don't, you have to think MGS is the strongest based off of numerous pieces of evidence we have pointing toward it. Sure, I figure that it is logically the strongest, but how much evidence really is there? It certainly wasn't the strongest in the games contest, and you just said the Top 100 "can rot." --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:01:04 PM | message detail |
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Would I be shocked if it broke 45% or put up an even better fight? Nope. I suppose that is where we depart. I would be stunned if KH ended up breaking 45% on MG (not sig/account bet worthy stunned, but stunned nontheless). Granted, there's no telling how much KH2 will help out, and Lord knows mnm and I have turned this over to no end, but I would still be stunned by that result. Oh, and FFT v. KH? Give me FFT, although before the game contest I would have said Kingdom Hearts (although before the game contest I would have said KH over a lot of things...like the entire 128 division >_<). --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:02:34 PM | message detail |
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Sure, I figure that it is logically the strongest, but how much
evidence really is there? It certainly wasn't the strongest in the
games contest, and you just said the Top 100 "can rot." It has the BOF (Bloody Obvious Factor) --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Janus5000 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:04:38 PM | message detail |
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...Anyone think FFT might have rSFF'd MGS? I've never seen the idea thrown around before, to my knowledge. I suppose it's possible, especially if FFVII SFFed it. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 9:06:07 PM | message detail |
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It has something like 75% who have played it, according to those old
polls, which is pretty solid. It sold the most. It was given the
highest of praise from most people who played it -- none of that
criticism that came with MGS2. It still performed near MGS2 after suffering from what likely was FFVII SFF. And, if we must, the Top 100 list put it clearly above any other Metal Gear game, which put it in the Top 10. I wouldn't imagine it being the second strongest game in the series. There is a good reason why it may not have performed as it should have in the games contest. If we could have another game contest, I think you have MGS hanging up there with the likes of SSBM, TWW, FFX, etc. --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |