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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 295

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Chamek | Posted 6/27/2006 12:06:54 AM | message detail
Heh, leave it to TRE... you first-vote-getter you!
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/27/2006 12:07:55 AM | message detail
I didn't catch 173 either. At 174 there was one vote for the fifth option.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2006 12:13:30 AM | message detail
Mario kicks ass like that.

Not the first SMB, or even SMB3...just Super Mario in general.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/27/2006 12:20:53 AM | message detail
Were still on 295 huh? Crazay.
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Tirofog | Posted 6/27/2006 12:24:43 AM | message detail
Yeah, crazy.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/27/2006 12:26:18 AM | message detail
I just figured after being warned for a couple of days we'd be ahead a topic :P then again not much to talk about right now cept these Mario/Zelda/FF polls. We pretty much discussed every big match several times.
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/27/2006 8:44:28 AM | message detail
Anyone remember how many votes Snake got before Tanner got his first one? Or how many LoZ got before Adventure got one? TRE, don't let me down =)
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Slowflake | Posted 6/27/2006 8:54:22 AM | message detail
The record is Samus getting 27 votes before Sam Fisher got his first one, I think.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2006 8:56:02 AM | message detail
Didn't she get into the 30s?

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Slowflake | Posted 6/27/2006 8:57:51 AM | message detail
Why would I of all people downplay a Samus accomplishment?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 9:58:16 AM | message detail
Still only around 500 votes total for the fifth option and less than 3000 who haven't played the original SMB in ANY format.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/27/2006 11:13:57 AM | message detail
Wow, that's a large number of people who are NES gamers.

*Does research*

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1514

Holy ****! I had no idea NES ownership was that high on this site. Who says there isn't a large old school fanbase? We're talking about 75% in a poll that totalled over 75,000 votes. That's about as high as you get in a non-contest poll.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 11:17:07 AM | message detail
And you're talking about 5% who have never played one, period. As I mentioned before, this site isn't a young as we like to think. There are still plenty of "old school" gamers out there. Mario 3 didn't get to be a top 5 game because of the GBA port, ya know.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
therealmnm | Posted 6/27/2006 11:29:36 AM | message detail
Yeah, of course I know about Mario 3. But I'm talking people saying things like people don't care about the old school Castlevanias and stuff like that.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 11:31:13 AM | message detail
Well, I wouldn't say that people "don't care," but it's still a niche series, for the most part. That's really the issue with Castlevania.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/27/2006 11:34:06 AM | message detail
Question....are there any certain rules for the Guru Contest, or does it pretty much coinside with the BOP?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 11:36:35 AM | message detail
You submit your bracket after lockdown in a topic dedicated to it. The winner of the contest chooses one character for everyone to nominate for the Character Contest, and all involved who lost have to dedicate a portion of their sig to praising the winner.

Pretty simple.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/27/2006 11:37:28 AM | message detail
Gotcha, I was just kinda confused on what topic it would be done in n such.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/27/2006 11:41:13 AM | message detail
Well, I wouldn't say that people "don't care," but it's still a niche series, for the most part. That's really the issue with Castlevania.

Well, let me reword that. People have been talking like Castlevania fans don't care about the NES games, and that it's only SotN they care about.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 12:01:05 PM | message detail
At the halfway point, 696 people have NEVER played a Mario game. We'll more than likely hit the 1000 mark, but by how much?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
jonthomson | Posted 6/27/2006 4:20:46 PM | message detail
1337 ftw
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/27/2006 6:44:38 PM | message detail
Finally managed to break 1000 people who had never played a Mario game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2006 7:03:34 PM | message detail
There is no such thing as FINALLY knowing over 1,000 people have gone without playing Mario.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2006 8:58:56 PM | message detail
Message From Ultima_X at 2006-06-27 03:43:01
So with the new contest slated to start on Saturday (I'd push it to Monday to avoid starting it on a weekend like you did once before, but that's beside the point), I have two related suggestions.

One, I stand by the opinion that the poll start/end time should go back to 1 a.m. EST. It would make it _so_ much better for us East Coast people to follow the best part of every poll, plus it's not like this hasn't been in place before. As for the "It's just a poll, go to bed" defense, uh.... that's irrelevant <_<

On a more serious note, I just tested the ol' multi-vote poll glitch with one alt. Can that glitch truly not be fixed without turning every poll into what originally happened with Pokemon/Xenogears? It just makes it too easy for people to cheat, even if everyone knows about it and an alleged balance exists when everyone is doing it. Balance or not, polls have been close enough for the glitch to matter. People just start whoring for whatever they have in their bracket, and Board 8 consensus opinion winds up mattering more than everything else.

With that said, if I absolutely had to pick one of these to be worked on before Saturday, I'd definitely choose the former. 3 a.m. is just hell over here. Two hours backwards. People would like it and/or get used to it quickly, I promose =p

Anyway, good luck and have fun running another one of those things. Hopefully nothing happens that will make you regret doing it.
Message From GameFAQs at 2006-06-27 19:33:50
Looking into it, and I wouldn't worry about the vote stuffing.


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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 9:00:32 PM | message detail
*crosses fingers for 1 A.M. poll start*
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/27/2006 9:07:38 PM | message detail
The poll starting earlier would be awesome.

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Master Moltar | Posted 6/27/2006 9:07:46 PM | message detail
*crosses fingers for 12 A.M. poll start*
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Slowflake | Posted 6/27/2006 9:20:14 PM | message detail
Well well, it takes Ulti to get Ceej's ear.

Not that I'm complaining or anything. This is an excellent idea.

And BTW, Leonhart, turns out you were absolutely right. Right now I'm not exactly enamored with Sephiroth.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 9:28:17 PM | message detail
Where are you now?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Slowflake | Posted 6/27/2006 9:35:02 PM | message detail
Just got Cloud back. Naturally, it's mass-sidequesting time. Lots of stuff to nab at the Gold Saucer, and I can get the bird sex out of the way now as well. Just saw the family tree of the 00ber-gold chocobo, and like the FAQ says, if your family tree looks like that then you obviously live in West Virginia.

Which reminds me, at which point would Earth Rave be preferable over Cosmo Memory? I'm doing about 1500 damage per attack with Red XIII, so that's an insta-9999 to everything with Cosmo Memory, but according to the formula I'd do something in the 14000s total every time with Earth Rave. 14000 to a single target is appealing for boss fights, but when there's multiple targets Cosmo Memory gets much better (then again, it's virtually overkill for most random battles).
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/27/2006 10:23:51 PM | message detail
Is it just me, or all of the polls from Sc2k4 (polls 1718 through 1780) broken? I can't seem to access any of those poll results, but I can any poll results before or after that range just fine.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/27/2006 10:26:45 PM | message detail
So with the new contest slated to start on Saturday (I'd push it to Monday to avoid starting it on a weekend like you did once before, but that's beside the point), I have two related suggestions.

I'm really hoping he doesn't listen to that and nothing else...
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therealmnm | Posted 6/27/2006 10:30:58 PM | message detail
And BTW, Leonhart, turns out you were absolutely right. Right now I'm not exactly enamored with Sephiroth.

Welcome to the club. There's a seat over there for you in the back somewhere. I've said before, I think Sephiroth would have been awesome if he had maintained his same personality from before the Neibelheim incident. He actually talked, displayed emotion, etc.

He spends too much of Final Fantasy trying to look badass, shaking his shoulders, and raising his arms up slowly talking random junk. I'm sorry HM, but his "purpose" was just garbage to me. <_< The thing about FFVII is that it spends so much of the game talking up Sephiroth, having the parties fear/obsession of him carry on through the game, and it all makes him seem bigger than what he really is. I remember specifically Cloud saying "No! Not Sephiroth!" when they were on the Shinra boat. I was like, "GET OVER IT ALREADY!" Sephiroth is fearsome. I get the point. I don't need it driven home like 100 times during the game...

Okay. I'm ranting....
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WilhuffTarkin | Posted 6/27/2006 10:33:29 PM | message detail
What's the word on the Halo/Castlevania match? Who's the favorite?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2006 10:59:19 PM | message detail
Since I'm bored, I'm going to point out something that I just saw: LoZ:WW has something very weird about it...despite arguably being the most anti-voted LoZ game, LoZ:WW was #9 in the Game Contest. Yet, despite being perfect for avoiding anti-votes, the Top 100 List has LoZ:WW at #45 on the list. Obviously, the list (and Game Contest) has its faults, but this strikes me especially weird. Between it being behind Starcraft, there being multiple LoZ games on the list, 1 1/2 years between the Top 100 List and the Game Contest...all that, and it still surprises me.

I know, I know...it's the Top 100 List, enough said. I just don't think I've ever seen it mentioned and that's somewhat-startling to see that kind of a change.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 11:02:27 PM | message detail
I just don't think I've ever seen it mentioned and that's somewhat-startling to see that kind of a change.

I thought I mentioned it not that long ago when we were talking about using the list to correlate to contest strength (probably something to do with Sonic vs. Smash Brothers, no doubt).
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2006 11:14:58 PM | message detail
Maybe...I forget, and I'm tired.
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/27/2006 11:19:46 PM | message detail
WW had a lot of strength because most voters considered it a pretty darn good game. It just wasn't a super great game that would make most people's Top 10 list. On the other hand, games that are hit-or-miss are more likely to do better in the Top 100 than in a contest setting since many people would consider them one of their favorites but the number of people favoring them over other games just isn't as large.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/27/2006 11:35:10 PM | message detail
Aprosenf nailed it. The number one reason why the list can't be held as totally credible. There are plenty of games that are hugely popular, but not the type to make someone's Top Ten list. Games like that suffer in that list format. Take Super Mario Kart's #61 position. We should pretty much know that the game is much stronger than that. It's just not a Top 10 type of game. There are plenty of other examples of that on the list.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2006 11:46:45 PM | message detail
For what it's worth though, it must be lots of people's favorite Gamecube game -- despite being behind two other Gamecube games, it still managed a 5-seed and had noticably beat Metroid Prime.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/27/2006 11:47:59 PM | message detail
Well, it IS a Zelda game.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/27/2006 11:51:16 PM | message detail
Is it just me, or all of the polls from Sc2k4 (polls 1718 through 1780) broken? I can't seem to access any of those poll results, but I can any poll results before or after that range just fine.

They take a long time to load, but you can still access them.
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/27/2006 11:53:47 PM | message detail
Yeah, I've noticed that now, but it still takes roughly a minute to load, and even then the page doesn't load fully - the HTML cuts off abruptly partway through.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2006 11:59:51 PM | message detail
12 or 1 makes no difference, but 3 is just terrible.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2006 12:01:14 AM | message detail
Vote Accepted
Yes, way back on an original MSX 16.67% 2
Yes, way back on an original NES 16.67% 2
Yes, I've played a remade/emulated version 25% 3
No, but I've played other games in the series 25% 3
No, I've never played a single Metal Gear game 16.67% 2
TOTAL VOTES 12

Yeah okay. I'll be floored if the 4th option doesn't win.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 12:01:36 AM | message detail
So we end up with 1166 people who have never played a Mario game.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/28/2006 12:04:31 AM | message detail
I just noticed something. The order of these polls likely hints at nomination order.

1 Zelda
4 MGS
3 Mario
2 FF

Makes sense, given how the overall 1s would look in the properly spaced bracket. Same as the real bracket.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 12:08:54 AM | message detail
I'm interested in the last option. I want to see the percentage of voters who have never played a Metal Gear Solid game.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 12:15:59 AM | message detail
Wasn't that sorta covered in the Top 10 List?

Granted, it was only MGS, but I suppose seeing how the two compare nearly a year later could be interesting.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 12:17:09 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2179

Here's that poll, for the record.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden