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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 295

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/25/2006 10:02:52 PM | message detail
Granted, I haven't played a great deal of NSMB, but I wasn't very impressed. It definitely doesn't measure up to the classic 2-D platforming standard the series has set. Maybe that'll change once I get around to actually purchasing the game and having a chance to get it some play time.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/25/2006 10:04:17 PM | message detail
Nah, it is underwhelming. I'm just saying I'd take it now because it just came out, and a lot of people have convinced themselves it's amazing simply because they're craving a new 2D Mario experience. By next year, KH2 would dispatch it with a high level of ease.

As for yoblazer's handheld comment... I disagree.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/25/2006 10:04:32 PM | message detail
I thought NSMB poll numbers were rather disappointing...but I thought the same thing about KHII. Dunno which I'd pick in a match.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/25/2006 10:05:55 PM | message detail
I can't see KHII being much weaker than the original KH, if at all. I can't see NSMB ranking THAT high, that's for sure.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/25/2006 10:06:20 PM | message detail
As for yoblazer's handheld comment... I disagree.

The only impressive moment I can remember is Mario Kart DS's great performance in the BEST OF 2005 polls. Ironically, that's one of the main pieces of evidence that shaped my MK>MM pick. Other than that... I can't really recall much.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/25/2006 10:27:11 PM | message detail
The match is interesting for a couple other reasons as well. Glancing over the GameFAQs reviews for both games, they seem to be about the same, and their GameRankings reviews are also nearly equal. Mario games tend to have incredible longevity sales-wise as well, so NSMB should only do better on KH2 as more time passes. I think I'd take KH2 if the match happened this year, but in 2k7 and beyond there'd be some doubt.
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outback | Posted 6/25/2006 11:12:33 PM | message detail
I don't really think NSMB is as amazing as SMB3 or SMW, but it was still a damn good game, and for somebody playing their first Mario, it might be as good for them as SMB3 or SMW was for us.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/25/2006 11:47:49 PM | message detail
Could it measure up to KH2 in a contest?

I'd take KHII over NSMB and not worry about it at all.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2006 11:58:57 PM | message detail
Well that's not surprising English major!!! I'm on the other side of the spectrum...

You should do a write-up in binary. =P


As for hand-held games' pull around here, sure, it's got some...just don't over-estimate it. Tetris, Pokemon G/S/C, and Fire Emblem all came off as under-whelming stat-wise (I know there's theories and reasons for some, apply them as you may), with only FFTA coming out alright, and here's how all the hand-held games faired in the Top 100 List:

#28 - Pokemon Red
#34 - Tetris
#54 - Fire Emblem
#55 - Advance Wars
#59 - Pokemon Gold
#89 - Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Snubbed - Metroid Fusion

It's rather unimpressive, given that there were only seven handheld titles on the list (not counting ports of games like LoZ:LttP), though it does suck that there weren't more handheld games on the list (more LoZ's, Metroid's, Mario's, Golden Sun's, Castlevania's...what have you); it's just that we see several of its top reps and they aren't that high. From there, handheld-ownership just doesn't compare to console-ownership on GameFAQs, and MKDS has easily had the best showing in an overall-GotY poll yet. It doesn't help that consoles have been around longer, receive the biggest games, and get the most attention, either...

...I don't think anybody's arguing they're more important here than consoles, but I don't think people should fool themselves into thinking they're nearly as strong as consoles here as far as pull. Unless it's a port from a popular classic (LoZ:LttP) or is part of a well-received series (FFTA)...or Tetris...I wouldn't take a handheld game over most console games.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2006 12:04:35 AM | message detail
It looks like these polls are one-seed type deals. I really wish today's poll had a "Yes, but I didn't like it" option.....
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/26/2006 12:08:52 AM | message detail
The original Zelda is very well played. It's on the level of FF7 playership, maybe higher. I don't think it'll ever take a dive in strength if we ever get another games contest.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 12:45:11 AM | message detail
Looks like we are going to get a "Metal Gear" poll. Awesome.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2006 12:46:13 AM | message detail
I wonder what other poll he will do. Assuming he's going to have the same one for Super Mario Bros. and I guess Metal Gear (since it's a 1-seed), and also assuming that Friday's poll will be asking if we have our brackets in yet, I wonder what Thursday's poll will be? Will he ask about one more series (Sonic? Mega Man?) or will it be some other contest related question?
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Lopen | Posted 6/26/2006 1:05:01 AM | message detail
I just realized I'm competing against HM and Leon in the Analysis Crew. Man, my write-ups are going to look absolutely pitiful!

You know... just yesterday, I said the same thing. But then, it dawned on me... this isn't some sort of length competition. Something is often said best in the fewest amount of words. (I think some wise old guy said that once) Don't worry about it.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/26/2006 6:22:35 AM | message detail
I've come to the conclusion that if the Top 100 List was a hooker, HaRR would do lines of coke of its ass.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 6:25:06 AM | message detail
XD

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2006 8:02:18 AM | message detail
That hasn't stopped me from doing lines of coke off of the Top 100 List though.

Seriously, so I try to acknowledge the Top 100 List...forgive me. I made quite afew others points and noted that the Top 100 List goes along with what I'm saying AND pointed out its flaws and ways it could have been better just for judging the handheld's pull here; where's the wrong in that?
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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2006 9:10:25 AM | message detail
Nobody still has answered my question about knowing how many entrants there were in the Top 100 List. Did Ceej ever release that data? That plays a big part on how valid the list is...
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/26/2006 9:11:25 AM | message detail
I think there were around 130...
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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2006 9:16:24 AM | message detail
I also wonder how many points each game got. Sure, the top entries probably got a number of points, but there has to be a dropoff at some point. Like for instance, I wonder how much my having Xenogears at #1 played in getting it at #32? Would it drop if I hadn't listed it at all? And if so, how far?
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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/26/2006 9:21:07 AM | message detail
I think there were around 130...

That's it? Holy unreliable sample size, Batman!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 9:23:36 AM | message detail
Seriously, so I try to acknowledge the Top 100 List...forgive me.

The problem I personally have with it is that you reference the Top 100 list at almost ever single turn. I still don't understand why you think it holds enough validity to be looked at so much. I'm not trying to say "Hey, Harrich, stop," but it is a little much. That thing is far too inaccurate to be looked at so much.

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Tai | Posted 6/26/2006 9:27:58 AM | message detail
I wonder where MP:H would rank in the top 100....
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outback | Posted 6/26/2006 9:30:35 AM | message detail
MP:H wouldn't make it.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 9:33:16 AM | message detail
Do you really like that game or something? It's not like it would do that well, or even make the list at all.

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Tai | Posted 6/26/2006 9:33:17 AM | message detail
Why not? It's one of the biggest games on the DS right now... :-(
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Tai | Posted 6/26/2006 9:34:01 AM | message detail
Uh..yeah, I do. lol


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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 9:40:17 AM | message detail
I figured as much. That would be an odd game to worry about unless it was a favorite of somebody's or something.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/26/2006 10:14:05 AM | message detail
MP:H isn't very big, even on the DS. There are probably half a dozen DS games out now that would beat it.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/26/2006 10:17:37 AM | message detail
MP:H is too deviating from the MP series, more than you might think.


The feel is complteley off. While the touch pad thing is quite nice for accuracy, the lack of lock on makes WIGS ANGRY! WIGS SMASH!


If Nintendo gave this game normal MP controls, (or included lock on with the stylus some how), it'd make my Top 50. As of now, it's close, but not quite (granted, I haven't finsihed yet.)

I also preferred MP's style of HUUUGE levels you can go back and revisit like 10 times and discover new things each time. Not multiple tiny levels that you can revisit MAYBE NOT EVEN ONCE (twice if you're lucky).

That all said, it IS an enjoyable game, wrist pains aside.


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jrdebo | Posted 6/26/2006 10:19:17 AM | message detail
Here is my screwed up bracket, I think I went with a few too many wild cards though (comments welcome)...

Round One

Legend of Zelda
Mega Man X
Pokemon
Metroid

Metal Gear
Fire Emblem
Castlevania
Kingdom Hearts

Super Mario Brothers
Grand Theft Auto
Sonic
Dragon Quest

Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Street Fighter
Resident Evil

Round Two

Legend of Zelda
Pokemon

Metal Gear
Castlevania

Super Mario Brothers
Dragon Quest

Final Fantasy
Street Fighter

Round Three

Legend of Zelda
Metal Gear
Super Mario Brothers
Final Fantasy

Round Four

Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy

FINALS

Final Fantasy

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/26/2006 10:27:49 AM | message detail
I've got to wonder how low the last two options will be for a Super Mario Brothers poll would be. Are there REALLY video gamers out there who have NEVER played a Mario game?

Heck, I know kids who weren't even born before the PSX/N64 era began, and they recognize the original Super Mario Brothers tune (I have it as a ringtone on my phone, and right away they're like, "Hey! That's Mario!").
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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2006 10:33:43 AM | message detail
Heck, I know kids who weren't even born before the PSX/N64 era began, and they recognize the original Super Mario Brothers tune (I have it as a ringtone on my phone, and right away they're like, "Hey! That's Mario!")

It's not like Nintendo hasn't used that theme in other games... <_< But yeah, that probably is the most universal video game theme in history. EVERYBODY knows that theme, kids, mothers, hot college women...
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WildCherrySoul | Posted 6/26/2006 10:34:52 AM | message detail
I'm lazy with writeups, but generally launch one nuclear weapon per contest.

Ah, brings back some memories of the Sonic/Mega Man match.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/26/2006 10:35:13 AM | message detail
But Nintendo has remixed the theme and given it different sounds throughout their history. I have the music from the original SMB as a ringtone, and it's still immediately recognizable.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Applause Sign | Posted 6/26/2006 10:36:04 AM | message detail
Seriously, so I try to acknowledge the Top 100 List...forgive me.

Hah, it was only a joke. You know you're one of my favorite stats guys. I just honestly couldn't remember the last time you made a post without referring to it.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/26/2006 10:37:01 AM | message detail
Ah, brings back some memories of the Sonic/Mega Man match.

Memories of ANGER for me.

And I know that write-ups don't HAVE to be long to be effective or say everything there is to say, but I like covering my bases.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/26/2006 10:38:02 AM | message detail
It has just occurred to me that CJayC needs an option labeled "METAL GEAR!?" when the poll for it goes up.

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/26/2006 10:38:06 AM | message detail
I'll be interested to see how many people have never played a Mario game. If it's higher than 2% I'll be shocked.

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/26/2006 10:52:43 AM | message detail
BTW, here's my bracket.

LoZ
MMX
Pokemon
Kirby

MG
FE
Halo
KH

SMB
WC
Sonic
SSB

FF
MK
SF
RE
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LoZ
Kirby

MG
KH

SMB
SSB

FF
RE
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LoZ
MG
SSB
FF
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LoZ
FF
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Dark115 | Posted 6/26/2006 11:03:20 AM | message detail
I'll be interested to see how many people have never played a Mario game. If it's higher than 2% I'll be shocked.

I'm sure less than 2% have never actually played a Mario game, but you have to account for joke votes.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/26/2006 12:12:23 PM | message detail
I just realized that this contest will FINALLY be starting in five days.

And it looks like I will be missing the following matches:

Pokemon/Star Ocean
Metroid/Kirby (4th of July, baby!)
Metal Gear/Soul Calibur
Fire Emblem/Silent Hill

Well, I'll miss the END of Pokemon/Star Ocean anyway, and I'll be back to catch the end of Castlevania/Halo, at least.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/26/2006 12:13:18 PM | message detail
Well, I'll miss the END of Pokemon/Star Ocean anyway

Whew.... I was worried for a second there, but now you'll leave already fully knowing that Star Ocean has secured the victory.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/26/2006 12:40:28 PM | message detail
Meh. I'm making a vow to not try and stay up for these matches to see who wins. I need to get back on a normal schedule quickly. This year off has been bad for my mental clock. I like the speed of the stats topic now. I hope it doesn't go back to those crazy days of 2k5...
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/26/2006 12:44:13 PM | message detail
Insta-updating was bad for the stats topic. Ceej instituting five minute updates and creative using the updater on gamefaqscontests.com really helped pace the topic better. We went through WAY too many topics on the day of Kefka/Vercetti and most of them were just dealing with minor pushes/pulls.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/26/2006 12:45:38 PM | message detail
Vercetti within 100...
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/26/2006 12:45:57 PM | message detail
OH NO WAIT HE ISN'T

****ING BARRIERS
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/26/2006 12:54:04 PM | message detail
We need to reinstitute the old update topics so that the stats topic isn't used for their purpose.
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Lopen | Posted 6/26/2006 1:11:47 PM | message detail
On the subject of the top 100 list, I don't think there really was a huge front page turnout for it. I was looking at it last night when I was doing my FE/SH writeup (I'm skipping around, honest!) and I was thinking about it. No fewer than 6/15 of the winners are Board 8ers. That's a much higher proportion than most contests, isn't it?

I'd also say that Tales of Symphonia, at the time one of this Board's favorite games getting #81 as a write-in suggests that too.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/26/2006 1:13:33 PM | message detail
Yeah, I also wonder about how large of a sample that list really got.
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