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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 295

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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 7:05:52 PM | message detail
The N64 was great for it's time, but most of its best games are horribly outdated. The jump to 3D was pretty crude in retrospect. All of my favorite N64 games are pretty lacking everytime I play them. The only N64 games I have that stand out for me today still are Star Fox 64, Blast Corps, and Conker's Bad Fur Day (love the multi-player). Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie are there, but there are so many platformers today (Jak, R&C, Sonic Adventure, etc.) that add so much more to what those games bring.

As for the rest of the "hits" on the N64... Goldeneye was great, but it's laggy and outdated compared to any of the FPSs of today. Shadows of the Empire was good, but kinda lacking today. The wrestling games were great, but the AKI engine just moves too slow in those games compared to what it does today (play the Def Jam games, same engine).

The N64 just doesn't measure up to me anymore. I can easily go back to the NES, SNES, PSX, Genesis, etc. and have just as much fun with those games as I did back then. It just isn't the same for the N64.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 7:06:44 PM | message detail
Oh, and Mario Kart 64 became outdated the minute I started playing Mario Kart DS.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 7:10:15 PM | message detail
Forgot to mention the Zelda games as well. I guess Oot and MM still hold up today, but that's because WW wasn't the blockbuster hit that everybody wanted it to be (it was for me). I have a feeling once Twilight Princess drops, people won't hold OoT in quite as much esteem as it is held now.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 7:11:11 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, RE4 had more copies sold on the PS2 than the Gamecube when that poll was had.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 6/24/2006 7:25:29 PM | message detail
I would think the N64 does just fine for itself in a contest. I had a lot more fun with that than the gamecube; however ssbm alone makes up a lot of the difference. There's a lot of people in my family so we had immense fun with mario golf, tennis, parties, super smash brothers, chameleon twist, and I always watched my older sister play super mario 64, ocarina, star fox. The system had a lot to offer, and from playing super smash last week at a party, I would say they're still enjoyable today.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/24/2006 7:41:39 PM | message detail
I don't know what to think about the PSX/N64 generation. On one hand, a lot of my favorites come from that gen - SotN, OoT, Valkyrie Profile, and SM64 are all in my top 10, and the 2 Lunars, Suik II, and ToE aren't far behind - but I always seem to remember that as the generation when 3D wasn't quite right yet. I mean, look at that list - all but 2 are sprite based games. Yay rambling!
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 7:49:52 PM | message detail
The 32/64-bit gen hasn't aged very well in general. There are definitely still some standouts--MGS, Ocarina of Time, SM64, the Pokemon games--but do I think FFVII is nearly as good nowadays as it was back in 1997? Of course not. The competition in the RPG arena has risen tenfold since then, while games like OoT and MGS still remain relatively uncontested by newer games. And SM64 is the only truly great 3D platformer (you know it's true.)
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 7:50:56 PM | message detail
I do agree that OoT will lose its legendary status somewhat when Twilight Princess arrives. Assuming TP lives up to the hype, that is, which will be an extremely difficult feat.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 7:51:22 PM | message detail
And SM64 is the only truly great 3D platformer (you know it's true.)

It's not even the BEST 3-D platformer.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/24/2006 7:52:58 PM | message detail
And SM64 is the only truly great 3D platformer (you know it's true.)

Go play Psychonauts.
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 7:53:29 PM | message detail
I admit I have not gotten around to playing Psychonauts. One of these days...
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/24/2006 7:54:49 PM | message detail
To be honest, I didn't love SM64. I thought the beginning levels were awesome, but as soon as I hit that water level that you could change the height of the water by jumping into the top half of the picture, the game went downhill.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 7:56:26 PM | message detail
Wet Dry World is probably my least-favorite world.
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 7:58:47 PM | message detail
Every great game has a couple of lame parts. Ocarina of Time has Jabu Jabu's Belly. Metroid Prime has the key collecting near the end. Goldeneye has the Control Room. Chrono Trigger has the prison ship (I forget its name.) Super Smash Bros. Melee has Adventure mode (which is lazily designed outside of the first level.)

Etc., etc.

The cool area of SM64 like Big Boo's Haunt more than make up for dumb parts like Wet-Dry World.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/24/2006 7:59:48 PM | message detail
For kicks, Kerrigan criminally underachieving AGAIN!

http://sclegacy.com/showthread.php?t=2598

I know, this is a small-scale poll, but the previous poll was the same but with Terran heroes, and Raynor completely destroyed everything.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/24/2006 8:00:39 PM | message detail
The first half of Super Mario 64 are so superb that it still manages to be in my top 30ish games. But the second half is really very lackluster.

And I don't remember having a single level in Goldeneye I disliked. Except for the second Severnaya, but that was because I didn't know how to turn the brightness up on my TV. When I replayed the game recently, I loved every level.
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Lopen | Posted 6/24/2006 8:00:44 PM | message detail
Don't anyone bring up Banjo Kazooie. Please.

About those analyses, I've got half of the first round done. As I said, I always procrastinate, but I'm never actually late.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/24/2006 8:01:18 PM | message detail
Banjo-Kazooie = win.

Except the RBB engine room. Ugh.
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Janus5000 | Posted 6/24/2006 8:10:43 PM | message detail
And SM64 is the only truly great 3D platformer (you know it's true.)

It's not even the best 3D Mario platformer.
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Lopen | Posted 6/24/2006 8:11:17 PM | message detail
Banjo Kazooie went up against Ocarina of Time yesterday in the NCAA thing... and I voted for Ocarina of Time! I felt bad about it, really, I did.

I'd also say Goldeneye is a shining example of a game that hasn't aged well. I tried to play it a couple of months ago. It was practically painful. I'm not usually the one to say that kind of stuff, I mean I'll still play NES and SNES games, and often.

I have a feeling I'm going to be upstaged with these writeups. I mean, I'm not saying they're short, but to compete with the thousand word writeup producing zealots? None even close to that yet. Metal Gear/Soul Calibur gave me a big mental block... I felt like I should write more about it than the typical 1v8 match, but I still didn't think Soul Calibur had any realistic chance of winning. What was I to do? I just skipped it for a while and went back to it.

Rambling on here. Let's just say look forward to Devil May Cry v Sonic, that'll be my time to shine!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:11:32 PM | message detail
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal is better than any 3-D platformer yet mentioned.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:12:33 PM | message detail
Let's just say look forward to Devil May Cry v Sonic, that'll be my time to shine!

Hey, that's my longest write-up, too!
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Lopen | Posted 6/24/2006 8:14:28 PM | message detail
Oh so you're giving Devil May Cry the threat potential it deserves, I see! Excellent!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:15:06 PM | message detail
Actually, I'm not. I spent 666 of the 1077 words explaining why Devil May Cry sucks and will lose badly.
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Janus5000 | Posted 6/24/2006 8:16:38 PM | message detail
Soul Calibur not having a realistic shot? Hah! Your indestructibility has made you blind.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/24/2006 8:17:04 PM | message detail
I'd also say Goldeneye is a shining example of a game that hasn't aged well. I tried to play it a couple of months ago. It was practically painful.

I'm not sure why, but I found Goldeneye to be just as enjoyable when I played it a few months ago. I would have THOUGHT it wouldn't age well, yet it was still extremely fun.
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Lopen | Posted 6/24/2006 8:17:38 PM | message detail
No one wants a wall of text on a "blowout", buddy! You're going to draw negative ratings with that one.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:18:19 PM | message detail
I suppose you're trying to say people would rather read about the ramblings of a madman?

I THINK NOT!
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 8:18:38 PM | message detail
I have a feeling I'm going to be upstaged with these writeups. I mean, I'm not saying they're short, but to compete with the thousand word writeup producing zealots? None even close to that yet.

I haven't even started actually writing yet, although most of my arguments can be already found in the various stat topics and Four Pack board, so I already know what I want to say. I'm sitting here right now brainstorming on what battle theme I will listen to while I finish each write-up! Don't worry though. Once I start writing, its hard to stop...
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 8:19:34 PM | message detail
Also:

Actually, I'm not. I spent 666 of the 1077 words explaining why Devil May Cry sucks and will lose badly.

Coincidence?
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/24/2006 8:23:49 PM | message detail
*skims through HM's write-ups*

Wow, Pokemon/SO alone could almost crash my computer.

All that time and explanation, wasted, cause Pokemon's gonna win it!!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:24:53 PM | message detail
I say that my SMB/Madden write-up is the best one you'll see in the first round.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 8:25:03 PM | message detail
Moltar, e-mail address one more time. Going to actually save it this time. mastermoltar@gmail.com or something like that right?
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Lopen | Posted 6/24/2006 8:27:05 PM | message detail
I suppose you're trying to say people would rather read about the ramblings of a madman?

Well... actually... I was kinda hoping they would. That is why I signed up for this, you know.
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/24/2006 8:28:26 PM | message detail
That's correct, mnm.

Oh, and curse Slow for making me remember that garbage level that was Rusty Bucket bay!
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 8:33:12 PM | message detail
Oh, and curse Slow for making me remember that garbage level that was Rusty Bucket bay!

I loved Rusty Bucket Bay. Good ol' old school platforming goodness! Mad because you lost all of your notes you collected when you fell in the engine room? Don't fall then!!! =P
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/24/2006 8:39:23 PM | message detail
The lack of copy/paste from this group continues to astound me.


Your Contest Gurus

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - yoblazer33
5 - transience
6 - Heroic Mario
7 - Viviff
8 - silverkiller
9 - Undeniable
10 - Kaxon
11 - Applekidjosh
12 - HaRRicH
13 - Lopen
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Chinballz
16 - A World's Envy
17 - Zylothewolf
18 - greatone
19 - cavedog0
20 - DomaDragoon
21 - Big Bob
22 - Ed Bellis
23 - expaniol
24 - Buzzup
25 - Radix
26 - RPGuy96
27 - Dethwing
28 - soiledtrousers
29 - consolefreak
30 - SephirothG
31 - ExquisiteSamurai
32 - Dark115
33 - NewLib
34 - Draco1214
35 - jonthomson
36 - MegatokyoEd
37 - Voltch
38 - Lucid Faia
39 - Master Moltar
40 - KleenexTissue50
41 - red sox 777
42 - Mithrandir1331
43 - arkenaga
44 - Tai
45 - Mario Superstar
46 - neonreaper
47 - XxSoulxX
48 - SonicRaptor
49 - ChichiriMuyo
50 - OMG its Pale!
51 - dragoontheguy
52 - XIII is cool
53 - Shivan Reincarnated
54 - outback
55 - DarkLink89
56 - dethfdddddh
57 - Ayvuir
58 - Janus5000
59 - War13104
60 - andaca
61 - swirldude
62 - Explicit Content
63 - Meche313
64 - HeroicVivi
65 - FastFalcon05
66 - Tnote
67 - Yesmar
68 - Mac Arrowny
69 - MasterMage119
70 - King Morgoth
71 - Aprosenf
72 - Phediuk
73 - charmander6000
74 - Rufus Shinra 18
75 - Mister Mario
76 - Luis Sera89
77 - longbladeofhiko
78 - shadow8021
79 - Lieutenant Kettch
80 - RPGGamer0
81 - WiggumFan267
82 - MetaRidleyX
83 - chocoboslayer
84 - FFDragon
85 - GrapefruitKing
86 - Lagoona
87 - The CruelAngel
88 - Fett0001
89 - cyko
90 - Dunkeroo23
91 - Bobby200614
92 - Tediz247
93 - Samurai7
94 - Jman_GamerX8
95 - ps2rulezzz
96 - Dilated Chemist
97 - Guess how many Teens
98 - Prometheus321
99 - Steinershocker
100 - TheLivingDemon
101 - Tirofog
102 - TheRye
103 - Vile Requiem
104 - rpgapzx
105 - Pathetique
106 - Brett with Atreyu
107 - outsider920
108 - raytan7585
109 - Acronym
110 - BeTheMan
111 - TLO
112 - Black_Turtle
113 - Tequilla Gundam
114 - Fantusta
115 - tsunami70
116 - Tjian
117 - _Harmonica_
118 - Yoshifan823
119 - Sephirot1 Returns

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/24/2006 8:42:19 PM | message detail
The reason for using this topic for sign-ups still eludes me.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/24/2006 10:19:41 PM | message detail
Because then only the cream of the crop will sign up.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/24/2006 10:23:26 PM | message detail
Contest Guru = someone who posts in the Stats topics. Stats topics-only announcement = only Contest Gurus sign up for the Guru Contest.

Fairly simple equation.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/24/2006 10:28:16 PM | message detail
Contest Guru = someone who posts in the Stats topics.

We don't have that many people posting the stats topic. >>

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Dark115 | Posted 6/24/2006 10:30:44 PM | message detail
Contest Guru = someone who posts in the Stats topics.

We don't have that many people posting the stats topic. >>


Not that many, but alot of lurkers.
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hero of time 43 | Posted 6/24/2006 10:30:47 PM | message detail
Mad because you lost all of your notes you collected when you fell in the engine room?

*is swept over by a flood of horrid memories*

Ugh. Don't do that!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/24/2006 10:32:13 PM | message detail
Not that many, but alot of lurkers.

Pretty much the members of Board 8.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/24/2006 10:38:10 PM | message detail
Mad because you lost all of your notes you collected when you fell in the engine room?

>_<

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Aprosenf | Posted 6/24/2006 11:20:15 PM | message detail
Not that many, but alot of lurkers.

So true. I've been reading every post since I got my new laptop, but I just haven't felt the urge to post that much.

And Banjo-Kazooie kicked major amounts of ass. The engine room of Rusty Bucket Bay may be a *****, but the rest of the game more than makes up for it. If and when there's a Banjo Threeie, I'll be first in line for it (if it's not for the XBox 360).
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 11:30:31 PM | message detail
I don't know why people hate the engine room in Rusty Bucket Bay so much. Maybe because it's difficult compared to the standard relative ease of the rest of the game. It's nothing that's particularly more difficult or annoying than in any other platformer. Getting 100 coins in Rainbow Ride was 100 times more frustrating than Rusty Bucket Bay.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/25/2006 4:46:13 AM | message detail
Goldeneye has the Control Room.

Everyone that hates Control is either terrible at it or very unlucky. I don't think there's a single level in that game that I'd call "bad" or "sucky".

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/25/2006 5:28:21 AM | message detail
Meh, today's poll is not very interesting. I'd like to see how Wind Waker would compare, but alone it's pretty bleh.

Hopefully we'll see the original Metal Gear tomorrow. That could give us a clue on how much the pre-Solid games will help out (although we already have the Games Contest for that).
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red sox 777 | Posted 6/25/2006 6:02:25 AM | message detail
I love how "haven't played any Zelda games" is close to doubling Adventure.
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