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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 9:07:12 PM | message detail |
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(although before the game contest I would have said KH over a lot of things...like the entire 128 division >_<). Ouch. =p --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:10:03 PM | message detail |
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...Anyone think FFT might have rSFF'd MGS? I've never seen the idea thrown around before, to my knowledge. I've mulled it over once or twice, and after much thought I'd have to say no. We can already see that, as HaRRicH pointed out, the four games with the biggest increases in ranking on the top 100 list from their SpC2k4 rankings were MGS, FFT, Goldeneye, and SotN. While it may have done *something* to a small degree, and while I used to hold that FFT benefitted largely from franchise voting (which is why it scared me to death in that bracket), I now believe that was really its true strength here on GameFAQs. Sure, you wouldn't expect a spinoff strategy RPG to be that popular, but I wouldn't have expected many things to be such a force here (CT at the number 3 game still boggles my mind, especially with all the people who seem to have been introduced via emulation). Plus, there's always the whole 'Final Fantasy' thing...right? --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:11:54 PM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. Melee performed a full 9% better against FFVII. If
anything, it's even stronger now. Do you really see Metal Gear Solid
"hanging" with SSBM? Like... really? --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:13:44 PM | message detail |
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But let's put things another way...the theory of Squall being SFFed by
Snake has come up in a few forms here, right? So, does that mean that
MGS can suddenly SFF FF8? Or can FF8 SFF MGS? You'd think it would be
logical for FF8 to beat MGS, since FFT would seemingly be weaker than
the numbered series... Is it FFVII itself that can deliver such a varied and brutal form of 'SFF', or is that a property of the Final Fantasy namesake as a whole? --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:14:14 PM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. Melee performed a full 9% better against FFVII. If
anything, it's even stronger now. Do you really see Metal Gear Solid
"hanging" with SSBM? Like... really? Considering FFVII almost certainly overperformed (I won't call it a lock since we don't have any concrete evidence to confirm it) on MGS and that I have no doubt whatsoever it's stronger than MGS2, I believe it COULD hang with SSBM. Now, that depends on your definition of "hanging," but I have no trouble believing it gets 45% or so in that match. SSBM may be a part of the Super Seven, but it's not head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:15:42 PM | message detail |
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But let's put things another way...the theory of Squall being SFFed
by Snake has come up in a few forms here, right? So, does that mean
that MGS can suddenly SFF FF8? Or can FF8 SFF MGS? You'd think it would
be logical for FF8 to beat MGS, since FFT would seemingly be weaker
than the numbered series... Is it FFVII itself that can deliver such a varied and brutal form of 'SFF', or is that a property of the Final Fantasy namesake as a whole? Snake/Squall is partially what made me think of MGS/FFT "rSFF," I admit. After all, you're dealing with two of the most popular currently-Playstation franchises. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:16:01 PM | message detail |
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That is an excellent post, KH, and it's one of the main reasons I want to see a games contest done right. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:17:05 PM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. Melee performed a full 9% better against FFVII. If
anything, it's even stronger now. Do you really see Metal Gear Solid
"hanging" with SSBM? Like... really? Comparing a Square/Nintendo match (where the loser usually looks their best or has a tendency to overperform) to a now suspected SFF match? I guess Samus has no shot against Crono, just look at their matches against Mario! Looking at the top ten list again, there's again no telling what MGS does without its split votes. Cut its dead weight away (MGS2 and MGS3) and see how high it can go. Not that I think it can beat SSBM now on NintendoFAQs, but I would have certainly entertained the possibility (and still would perhaps in the future). --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:19:02 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I think there was SFF in that match as well. But nine full percent
better is a sizable gap to make up, especially when you figure that
Smash is probably stronger now. I'd take the Nintendo game with 55%. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| NewLib | Posted 6/28/2006 9:20:59 PM | message detail |
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So a general question. What matchup gave you the most trouble? My Top 5 are 5. Fire Emblem vs Silent Hill 4. Mario Kart vs Mega Man 3. Super Smash Brothers vs Super Mario Bros 2. Halo vs Kingdom Hearts 1. Pokemon vs Star Ocean I dont know why but I just struggled over Pokemon/Star Ocean --- Where am I? |
| Janus5000 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:23:18 PM | message detail |
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But nine full percent better is a sizable gap to make up Magus did 23% better than Ganondorf on Link and still almost lost to him. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Draco1214 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:23:29 PM | message detail |
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Only match that's giving me trouble at this point is Mega Man vs. Mario Kart. And Smash Bros. will not be beating Mario. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:24:10 PM | message detail |
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If you struggled to figure out that Mario would SFF SSB to hell and back, I don't think you'll be winning any prizes >_> --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:24:29 PM | message detail |
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The fact that people actually struggle with SMB/SSB is proof of just how much this board overrates Super Smash Brothers. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:24:48 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I think MGS (and 007!) can hang with the best of Div128...but I'm
not sure how high the best of Div128 really is. We've had a lot of
problems with tight fourpacks burning us (Seph/Samus/MM/Sonic,
Magus/Gdorf/Tidus, Frog/MC/Liquid, most notably), and, well, when you
stick an entire division in that situation (save FFTA, FE, Skies, and
Shenmue) and throw in StarCraft and all the headaches it caused, I
think you're asking for trouble. I know I wouldn't expect Melee, WW, or
FFX to really keep it close with the last couple members of the Super
Seven (say, SMB3 and FFVI). --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:25:39 PM | message detail |
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This makes me pat myself on the back for taking BOTH lists in the 10th
anniversary contest BOP. SSBM absolutely slaughtered everything else on
the favorites list, remember? --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:26:07 PM | message detail |
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If you're comparing the SFF between two different series (made by two
different companies and utilizing two completely different styles of
play) to Link/Ganondorf, you really are grasping for straws. We've seen
time and again that Nintendo SFF is the strongest, and Link/Ganon was
the most unbelievable instance of SFF we've ever seen. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 9:26:09 PM | message detail |
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The fact that people actually struggle with SMB/SSB is proof of just how much this board overrates Super Smash Brothers. Blah blah --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:26:57 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and BTW, that BOP had SSBM pegged to beat SMB3 in the actual top 10 list as well. How lovingly incompetent this board is at gauging SSB. --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| Lopen | Posted 6/28/2006 9:27:08 PM | message detail |
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I really don't think SMB will be doing any huge SFFing of Smash. But I
don't think Smash has any chance, either. SMB3 alone outdoing your
flagship game is not a good thing. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 9:27:14 PM | message detail |
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This makes me pat myself on the back for taking BOTH lists in the
10th anniversary contest BOP. SSBM absolutely slaughtered everything
else on the favorites list, remember? Do you have that data handy? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:27:16 PM | message detail |
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55% actually seems kind of reasonable now for SSBM, though I would have
put MGS much closer before the Ninty boost...and would have likely gone
for the outright upset if I didn't think MGS as a whole had lost a bit
of a step here (thanks, MGS2). That, and the whole game contest having
HORRENDOUS votals. Snake and MGS have always performed better in my
eyes with high votes, and I maintain that MGS beats FFT by more if the
front page layout wasn't the worst one could possibly imagine, as I
also maintain Bowser beats Snake if we have that same layout for that
match. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:27:46 PM | message detail |
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Go to the BOP topic, click on the link to the current BOP. Last sheet on the file. --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/28/2006 9:28:41 PM | message detail |
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SSB won't even have a chance to lose to SMB because it's losing to Sonic ! --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 9:29:12 PM | message detail |
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Silly me. I knew the link, but forgot you kept the old contest on separate sheets in the same file. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| NewLib | Posted 6/28/2006 9:29:43 PM | message detail |
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Well really only the top two matches gave me legit problems. I just
think people are underrating Halo and overrating Kingdom Hearts coming
into this. --- Where am I? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:29:48 PM | message detail |
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Blah blah It's really hard to deny, quite frankly. Whether I'm overstating the competition is another matter entirely. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:30:13 PM | message detail |
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Yep, the vote totals really were horrible. Combine a larger voting pool
with the Nintendo shift, and I think LttP will easily (by easily, I
mean that it would defeat Chrono Trigger in much less of a struggle
than their 2004 match) be the third strongest game in a new games
contest. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 9:31:12 PM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. Melee performed a full 9% better against FFVII. If
anything, it's even stronger now. Do you really see Metal Gear Solid
"hanging" with SSBM? Like... really? Certainly. SSBM is not a game that is clearly above everything in its general area. It is very beatable. Can MGS make it all up and beat SSBM? I dunno. I'm not saying it would undoubtedly happen, but taking it over SSBM as something of an upset? Sure, why not. There is enough reason to believe that is a possibility. I think, at the least, you're looking at a good 45%+ for MGS. From there, you would have a number of varying opinions on if MGS can make up the remaining gap and close out a close win. But yeah, I can really see it hanging with SSBM. --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:31:12 PM | message detail |
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Agreed. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=585036&topic=28425244 GAMEFAQS ARENA! Come fight with us. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:31:50 PM | message detail |
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Didn't CT/LttP actually have decent vote totals? And Chrono Trigger wins today if the match is held. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 6/28/2006 9:32:55 PM | message detail |
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I cant. SSBM has gone in only one direction since the last Games contest. I could potentially see SSB:M > FFVI right now. --- Where am I? |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:33:35 PM | message detail |
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Looking at that sheet, I realized something frightening. Half of the entire board has SSBM in their top 10. My #24 pretty much makes me look like hater now, right? --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/28/2006 9:34:07 PM | message detail |
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I doubt it. The Nintendo fanbase has increased since then. The match could have gone the other way in a rematch then. Now, I would definitely take LttP. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/28/2006 9:34:49 PM | message detail |
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If there was a FFX/SSBM rematch and SSBM was represented with Master
Hand and FFX had all its characters in the match pic...... what would
happen? --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:15 PM | message detail |
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And Chrono Trigger wins today if the match is held. Well, ya. There's only two and one half hours left in "today." Damn CT night vote. Hold the same match tomorrow, though, and watch out! --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| NewLib | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:35 PM | message detail |
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Also does anyone else agree that if the Games contest was redone
exactly like the 2004 this year that it would SSB:M over Halo in the
128 division not SSB:M over Starcraft? --- Where am I? |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:35 PM | message detail |
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With the same bracket as two years ago, I wouldn't hesitate a second in picking LttP/FF7 as the final. --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:43 PM | message detail |
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And Chrono Trigger wins today if the match is held. I'm inclined to agree. I cant. SSBM has gone in only one direction since the last Games contest. I could potentially see SSB:M > FFVI right now. This is what Leonhart means by "overrating" SSBM. Half of the entire board has SSBM in their top 10. My #24 pretty much makes me look like hater now, right? I don't even have it in the top 50! --- "A legend is nothing but fiction. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, everybody passes it on." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:53 PM | message detail |
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Melee is #31 here...I must really despise the game. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:35:53 PM | message detail |
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If there was a FFX/SSBM rematch and SSBM was represented with Master
Hand and FFX had all its characters in the match pic...... what would
happen FFX wins, beats Starcraft, then proceeds to make the entire 128 division look like fodder. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Janus5000 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:36:06 PM | message detail |
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FFX would win because it's a ****ing glove. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:36:31 PM | message detail |
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FFX is a sexy upset pick because virtually nobody on the
board would take it. Honestly, we've said that games =/= characters in
terms of strength, and I still believe the "boost" would apply less to
games than most people around here want to believe. Chrono Trigger is
still the 3rd strongest game here, and I believe that firmly. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 6/28/2006 9:37:38 PM | message detail |
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How can you believe it firmly if CT BARELY won over LTTP last time?
Even if nothing has changed, a general fluctuation could change the
outcome of that match. --- Where am I? |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:02 PM | message detail |
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You're asking for trouble when you consider SSBM over FFVI. Can you see
SSBM putting up as much of a fight against CT as FFVI did against LttP?
Somehow I doubt it. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:09 PM | message detail |
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You are wrong, Leonhart. So very wrong. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. Proud member of the Putty Patrol |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:25 PM | message detail |
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Heck, had the match happened one day before or after LttP could've won then. --- Everything is "Ridiculous! Nonsense! If you believe that, you're a fool! How can that be when..." You'd make a great PW witness. -Shake to Vlado |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:34 PM | message detail |
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The same reason that everyone firmly believes that SSBM couldn't POSSIBLY lose a rematch to Final Fantasy X. Arrogance and stubbornness. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:45 PM | message detail |
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SSBM is my #3 --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi * Is Dranze * |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/28/2006 9:38:56 PM | message detail |
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SO > pkmn --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |