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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 294
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| SephirothG | Posted 6/23/2006 8:49:12 AM | message detail |
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Quick! Someone make a new topic to spite Ulti! --- [Something clever was here before the sig wipe] http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585012 |
| SephirothG | Posted 6/23/2006 9:06:29 AM | message detail |
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Wow, a Dilated Chemist stats topic. --- [Something clever was here before the sig wipe] http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585012 |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 9:07:25 AM | message detail |
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Damn skippy. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:19:19 AM | message detail |
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R/B/Y more than doubled G/S/C on the Top 100 list. I think there'd be a notable difference between the two. So then why did G/S/C get the contest entry in the Spring, and R/B/Y did not? The nomination phase for spring was made just as well known to the site as the creation of the top 100 lists. I don't really see how it's any different. To mnm, because I don't want to quote that: I don't disagree, but only because of the sales numbers of R/B/Y, I don't actually have them compared to G/S/C so I won't say how much stronger than it I think it could be, but I don't think it will be by much. There's no reason to love one and not the other though, like you acknowledged in not so many words, I believe. Anyone have some sales figures for me to look at? --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 9:22:19 AM | message detail |
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So then why did G/S/C get the contest entry in the Spring, and R/B/Y did not? Tetris? |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/23/2006 9:23:13 AM | message detail |
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So then why did G/S/C get the contest entry in the Spring, and R/B/Y did not? The nomination phase for spring was made just as well known to the site as the creation of the top 100 lists. I don't really see how it's any different. Do you remember how nominations worked for the Spring? It was one game per system. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/23/2006 9:23:47 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'm willing to bet that RBY had major competition from Tetris and Link's Awakening on the Game Boy front. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:25:33 AM | message detail |
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Tetris? Hmm... fair enough. I forgot for a second how ****ty that nominating phase was. I was just thinking he separated them by generations. Heh. Alright, I take that back. Still, as you know I've never been a fan of the Top 100, and will completely ignore it in arguments. Whether or not you think that's just me being a dick, meh. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 9:25:39 AM | message detail |
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Tetris had enough nominations to outseed LoZ for God's sake. It's no surprise RBY didn't make it. And no, I won't go into how I feel RBY is archaic and the worst of the series. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:26:08 AM | message detail |
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Do you remember how nominations worked for the Spring? It was one game per system. Don't make me kill you! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/23/2006 9:30:00 AM | message detail |
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And Slowflake is absolutely right about RBY being the worst of the series. It's incredibly unbalanced and glitchy. Single-player wise, GSC is easily tops, while RSE dominates multiplayer. There's no real reason to like RBY the best nowadays aide from blind nostalgia, especially with FR/LG around. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 9:33:02 AM | message detail |
| That, and the RBY standard metagame is less varied than the third gen uber metagame for God's sake. |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/23/2006 9:35:18 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, RBY multiplayer is pretty much "Psychic, Psychic, whoops, Chansey, now it's a stall war for the next 50 turns." Boring. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 9:36:26 AM | message detail |
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Pokemon sucks. Next subject. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| ESY16 | Posted 6/23/2006 9:38:17 AM | message detail |
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What is the probability of a Halo > KH upset? Also, what about KH upsetting MG? --- If you build a man a fire, he will be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:38:49 AM | message detail |
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What is the probability of a Halo > KH upset? Very. Also, what about KH upsetting MG? Zero to none. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/23/2006 9:38:53 AM | message detail |
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...how long has the contest been advertised on the front page? I'm oblivious. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:40:48 AM | message detail |
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I don't know... a week? --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 9:42:54 AM | message detail |
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There's no reason to love one and not the other though, like you acknowledged in not so many words, I believe. But you're assuming that people who liked the first went on to continue playing the series. You already said that the games are pretty much the same. If a game is pretty much the same throughout the series, the first is pretty much always going to be the strongest. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:44:16 AM | message detail |
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I acknowledged that in my post. I said it would probably be stronger just because it had better sales, but not by much at all. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 9:44:43 AM | message detail |
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Dependning on the sale differential of course... I said I didn't want to get into specifics without knowing the actual numbers. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 9:56:02 AM | message detail |
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But you still said that there's no reason to love one and not the
other. And I simply disagree on that. It has little to do with actual
sales. If a person likes one game in a series, it doesn't mean he/she
will automatically go on to play/like the rest of the games in the
series, no matter how similar the games are or if the later games are
better. Remember, it doesn't take that much to warrant a vote in these contests. Example: I like the first Devil May Cry. I like it a lot. It's a pretty decent game. I would have voted that game over a number of games in the spring contest. Yet, I didn't like the game that much to go and get DMC3. I know I would probably like DMC3 if I went and bought it, but I haven't bothered to yet. I would not vote DMC3 over all the things I would vote DMC over, even though it's probably a much better game than the original. I'm sure I'm not the only person that this applies to for the Pokemon series. Sure there are plenty of people who go and buy every one and are fans of them all. But with the typical age demographic of GameFAQs, I'm sure there are a lot of people like me who only played through RBY, liked it a little, but haven't really bothered with the rest of the series. I'm not saying the difference in popularity is that big, but RBY still is the roots of the series. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 9:57:51 AM | message detail |
| Phediuk: You forgot Amnesia. That move was so damn broken. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 9:58:23 AM | message detail |
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Dilated Chemist Posted 6/23/2006 6:36:26 AM message detail Pokemon sucks. Next subject. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Dark115 | Posted 6/23/2006 10:02:28 AM | message detail |
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Phediuk: You forgot Amnesia. That move was so damn broken. Amnesia was by far the most broken move in the game. I'm convinced that a maxed out Mewtwo with Amnesia and Recover is damn near unbeatable. I'll even go as far as saying that Amnesia was the reason for putting special into two diff categories in later Pokemon games. --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1), Super Mario 64 DS (DS), Mario Kart DS (DS), New Super Mario Bros (DS) |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 10:20:50 AM | message detail |
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That, and Chansey having nasty attack power in addition to its huge
defensive capabilities. (Though Blissey even existing may mean they
didn't have that in mind.) Now, for something completely different. Looking at the BOP numbers, those who picked CV to beat Halo are a lot more confident that it'll beat KH as well than those who picked Halo to win. I'm shocked at this, as the way I see it, Halo could potentially beat KH, but I don't think CV has a chance in hell. Discuss. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 10:26:56 AM | message detail |
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But you still said that there's no reason to love one and not the
other. And I simply disagree on that. It has little to do with actual
sales. If a person likes one game in a series, it doesn't mean he/she
will automatically go on to play/like the rest of the games in the
series, no matter how similar the games are or if the later games are
better. Remember, it doesn't take that much to warrant a vote in these
contests. Okay... anyone who loves one and plays the others will still love the others. There's absolutely no reason to dislike a different pokemon game if you like R/B/Y. And I already acknowledged the sales thing. I never said "since all pokemon games are nearly the same anyone who votes for one will vote for the other even if they haven't played it." I didn't think I needed to actually point out that playing it was a prerequisite for my statement. Which is why I'd like to see sales figures. Now, for something completely different. Looking at the BOP numbers, those who picked CV to beat Halo are a lot more confident that it'll beat KH as well than those who picked Halo to win. I'm shocked at this, as the way I see it, Halo could potentially beat KH, but I don't think CV has a chance in hell. Agreed. I don't think CV has a chance in hell against Halo either. If CV beat Halo it would be like my reaction to seeing Knux beat Magus. And no I'm not trying to relate anything to Magus, I was just really shocked. And I already have Halo > KH, so of course I think it has a better shot than CV. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 10:36:21 AM | message detail |
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| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 10:47:23 AM | message detail |
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How the **** did that end up in here? --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/23/2006 10:50:54 AM | message detail |
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So why is KH suddenly not gonna beat Halo O_o? --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/23/2006 10:53:10 AM | message detail |
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I saw Jesus in my dream holding up a Master Chief doll. It's only practical that he was telling me Halo was going to defeat KH. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/23/2006 11:03:31 AM | message detail |
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Now, for something completely different. Looking at the BOP numbers,
those who picked CV to beat Halo are a lot more confident that it'll
beat KH as well than those who picked Halo to win. I'm shocked at this,
as the way I see it, Halo could potentially beat KH, but I don't think
CV has a chance in hell. Discuss. I'm just vocal in my belief that CV will win the four pack. Those that picked Castlevania are probably thinking about this contest in such a way that, if correct, a win over Halo implies a win over KH because Halo and KH are interchangable in terms of game strength and series makeup. Those that pick Halo to win aren't, and are probably worried about KH2 hype sending it over. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/23/2006 1:02:27 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon R/B/Y: 46 million sales (that's more than any other game ever) Pokemon G/S/C: 30 million sales (substantially less) And if people count FR/LG when looking at R/B/Y (they're the same game, right?), the difference would be even larger. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 1:06:20 PM | message detail |
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Symphony of the Night got owned by Goldeneye. What makes you think Castlevania will get more votes than Halo? --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 1:55:27 PM | message detail |
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Okay... anyone who loves one and plays the others will still love
the others. There's absolutely no reason to dislike a different pokemon
game if you like R/B/Y. And I already acknowledged the sales thing. I never said "since all pokemon games are nearly the same anyone who votes for one will vote for the other even if they haven't played it." I didn't think I needed to actually point out that playing it was a prerequisite for my statement. Which is why I'd like to see sales figures. http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php?name=pokemon&console=GB&publisher=&sort=Total Pokemon R/B/Y - 17.42 million sales in America (11.44 for R/B) Pokemon G/S/C - 11.73 million sales (9.14 for G/S) Not to mention that there was about 2 years between Pokemon Red and Pokemon Gold, which is plenty of time for fans of R/B to "outgrow" the series and also new fans to pick up G/S/C as their first Pokemon game. Remember the demographic for Pokemon starts very young, so there probably are many of the 11.73 sales of G/S/C who probably didn't even buy R/B/Y. The whole point is that R/B/Y does have reason to be stronger than G/S/C. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| NewLib | Posted 6/23/2006 1:55:48 PM | message detail |
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Golden Eye was SFF'd hard in that contest too. There is no way you can
convince me that KOTOR takes out Goldeneye. I think that if you give
Super Mario 64 a 60% SFF boost, a 30% boost for Goldeneye is only fair
which brings it up to Metal Gear Solid 2 which feels good. This doesnt change the fact that Halo is going to destroy Castlevania, but it does bring Perfect Dark over games like Contra. The idea of Contra beating PD is ridiculous. Of course I must finish this post with the obligatory lol xstats. --- Where am I? |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/23/2006 1:58:20 PM | message detail |
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Goldeneye > HALO The top 10 list proved it, and HALO couldn't recieve any antivotes in that contest. --- Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 6/23/2006 1:59:01 PM | message detail |
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Because it's not just SOTN; it's Castlevania as a whole, a series that
has been spread out throughout a multitude of consoles versus two games
that came from the Xbox. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| NewLib | Posted 6/23/2006 2:00:40 PM | message detail |
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Okay Im sorry, but SOTN is THE Castlevania game. The only other
Castlevania games that people even remember at this point are the GBA
ones and are they really going to make up the difference between
Castlevania and Halo with its Halo 2 boost and the XBox hate slowly
dying for Sony hate? --- Where am I? |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 2:15:39 PM | message detail |
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Okay Im sorry, but SOTN is THE Castlevania game. The only other
Castlevania games that people even remember at this point are the GBA
ones and are they really going to make up the difference between
Castlevania and Halo with its Halo 2 boost and the XBox hate slowly
dying for Sony hate? The Castlevania series is undoubtedly going to be much stronger than SotN. SotN may be the favorite Castlevania game, but it's not like the other games don't have fans as well. The GameFAQs demographic isn't that young where they don't remember popular NES games. And Castlevania has always had a presence, whether it was the NES Trilogy, the SNES titles, SotN, the N64 games, the GBA games, and even the PS2 games have gotten a little bit of fanfare. It's not like SotN encompasses the popularity of the entire series. It's the most popular, but there are certainly many Castlevania fans who haven't played that game yet... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/23/2006 3:16:37 PM | message detail |
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Much stronger? You're nuts if you think it is much
stronger than SotN -- the game that makes up the vast amount of
popularity the series will have. It may be a little stronger, but
nothing has implied people do care much about those other games not named SotN. --- "Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again ..." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 3:48:52 PM | message detail |
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You act like Symphony of the Night is some kind of pillar of strength
on this site. It's the most popular Castlevania game, but it's not the only
game that fans of the series likes. SotN may have gotten 46% of that
one poll, but that still means that 54% of that voting population like
another Castlevania game better... And that poll was before Dawn of
Sorrow as well. I never said anything about Castlevania being a powerhouse, but it is very much an instance where the series as a whole will be stronger than SotN. Hell, look at the GBA games and Dawn of Sorrow. By themselves, of course they won't be as popular as SotN, but collectively there is a handheld Castlevania fanbase that's independent of SotN. It's not like every Castlevania fan is a SotN fan. The other games do have fans collectively, and I reiterate that there are a number of Castlevania fans who haven't even played SotN yet. It's not like SSBM where any fan of the series is a fan of that game. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/23/2006 3:57:49 PM | message detail |
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I'm not saying that SotN's strength is the absolute strongest the series will be, but I cannot possibly imagine it being much
stronger than that, especially if you adjust SotN for SFF. There are
fans of the other games, but there is no indication that they are large
or that people actually care that much outside of that particular game, which is not that
strong itself. The only thing that was ever going for Castlevania was
the fact that it spanned many conosles and tons of games. I sincerely doubt, however, that it matters when the series is as weak as Castlevania will ultimately end up being. It won't be that weak -- I know it sounded strange -- but it won't stand a chance against Halo or Kingdom Hearts or anything else. The matches won't even be remotely close. I sincerely doubt that the handheld fanbase makes up anywhere near enough to be that much stronger than Symphony of the Night. They have never shown to be in large quantity. There are undoubtedly other fans of Castlevania games, especially since they earlier ones are different from the later ones (more of a platformer style as opposed to the SotN style). And a lot of people who played SotN are likely to be the same ones who enjoy the GBA ones, or at least DoS and AoS because they're all of the same similar style. --- "Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again ..." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 4:14:44 PM | message detail |
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?????? I never said a thing about Castlevania threatening Halo or
Kingdom Hearts. All I said is that the series will be much stronger
than SotN. You flip out on the word much, but it was relative, I wasn't
putting any quantity behind the word. I was just relaying that I think
that SotN doesn't represent the strength of the series. One individual
game may not stand out against SotN, but there is indeed a Castlevania fanbase outside of SotN when you take all the games collectively. You can even break down that one Castlevania Poll and see that. The NES Castlevania games drew about 17%. The GBA games drew about 16%. The N64 games drew about 7%. Super Castlevania 4 drew 7% by itself. And then there's Dawn of Sorrow, which did very well for itself in the DS GotY poll. SotN is the single most popular game, but there's a lot more to Castlevania than SotN. That's all I'm saying. People do care about the series as a whole outside of SotN. That just can't show up in an individual poll. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Phediuk | Posted 6/23/2006 4:17:01 PM | message detail |
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I don't see any Castlevania game being stronger than SotN. The series isn't that popular. Has any Castlevania game since SCIV even sold over 1 million in the US? --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 4:19:52 PM | message detail |
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And a lot of people who played SotN are likely to be the same ones
who enjoy the GBA ones, or at least DoS and AoS because they're all of
the same similar style. I forgot to touch on that. You act like all Castlevania fans have played SotN. The game isn't that widespread. Hell, it's hard enough to get your hands on the game. Just look at all the people on Board 8 who have recently played the game for the first time in the past couple of years (myself included). When you talk about the Castlevania fanbase as a whole, from the NES days until now, there are plenty of people who have yet to play SotN. It may have a great deal of popularity, but it doesn't have the numbers behind it to be a game that everyone has played... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/23/2006 4:23:11 PM | message detail |
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Frankly, I'll be surprised if Halo breaks 60% on Castlevania. And
that's coming from someone who has Halo over Kingdom Hearts. I could
even see Halo vs Castlevania being an actual nail-biter. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Lopen | Posted 6/23/2006 4:28:28 PM | message detail |
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I knew it! I see right through you, MM! I don't think the NES/SNES games are going to be significant draws for Castlevania. Look at how bad poor Simon Belmont got whipped. The GBA/DS games though, I think they could be at least somewhat significant. Enough to make me sorta struggle were it KH vs Castlevania. I've got Halo over both, but I'll be surprised if Castlevania does that much worse than KH. People are underestimating it. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/23/2006 4:31:11 PM | message detail |
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Getting tripled by Crono puts you around the fodder line. Simon didn't do that bad. --- Space for rent. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 4:33:22 PM | message detail |
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I don't think the NES/SNES games are going to be significant draws
for Castlevania. Look at how bad poor Simon Belmont got whipped. 1. Games =/= character! Simon Belmont definitely does not represent the popularity of the early Castlevania games, especially seeing that Castlevania really isn't a character-centric series. 2. He went up against friggin' Crono in the first round!!! The earlier games are definitely more popular than Simon freakin' Belmont! Besides, you're forgetting how badass Trevor is! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |