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| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/21/2006 7:14:53 AM | message detail |
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Care to explain this Double SFF theory to me? --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/21/2006 7:17:01 AM | message detail |
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Zelda SFFs Metroid, Metroid SFFs Pokémon. What's so damn hard to understand? --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 7:18:53 AM | message detail |
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It's not a theory per se; if it happens it happens. Step 1: Star Ocean loses to Pokemon Step 2: Pokemon goes up against Metroid in the second round, another Nintendo series. Metroid crushes Pokemon via the power of SFF Step 3: Metroid goes up against Zelda in the third round, the STRONGEST Nintendo series. Zelda plasters Metroid via the power of SFF Now, thanks to SFF Metroid looks really weak, Pokemon also looks weak thanks to that SFF + the SFF it got from Metroid, and Star Ocean is under all that. It's not exactly a lock to happen, I'd actually say it's kind of unlikely (if Star Ocean wins or Metroid can't SFF Pokemon, for example), but it's not impossible. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/21/2006 7:51:07 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'm shocked by the number of people who think 60% on SO is going to happen. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/21/2006 8:33:50 AM | message detail |
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Hint hint: Every topic ever made to debate Pokémon/Metroid always turned into a Pokémon/SO debate. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| yoshifan823 | Posted 6/21/2006 9:17:18 AM | message detail |
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| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/21/2006 9:22:03 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'm shocked by the number of people who think 60% on SO is going to happen. I don't really think any of those things are very likely to occur except for 9, 10, 5, and 16. After that, it becomes a game of "which is the least impossible to occur." I'd expect Pokemon to break 60% sooner than I'd expect Halo being doubled against KH. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/21/2006 9:23:18 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, but look at Madden. If it gets say, 10% on Mario, it'll still
look bad because Mario will rape everything until the Mushroom Division
Finals prolly. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/21/2006 9:24:01 AM | message detail |
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Is that "until" inclusive of SSB? I should hope so. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Tai | Posted 6/21/2006 9:27:20 AM | message detail |
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1st is most likely, 16th is least likely. 1st - PREDICTION #9: Super Smash Bros. scores over 60% against Sonic. Nintendo > Sega. 2nd - PREDICTION #14: Final Fantasy fails to get 55% on Super Mario Bros. 3th - PREDICTION #5: Due to Pokemon being double SSFed by Metroid and Zelda (which will then be soundly beaten by FF), Star Ocean will be in dead last in the Xstats. Sad when you think the X-Stats will screwed up down there, but yeah, I say probable. 4th - PREDICTION #2: Kingdom Hearts will keep Metal Gear under 52%. Assuming it gets there, of course. I have KH winning. :-) 5th - PREDICTION #15: Halo falls flat on its face and is doubled by Kingdom Hearts. I think KH2 can propel the series up to a double. 6th - PREDICTION #4: Zelda gets less than 64% on Metroid. Perhaps. But, not less than 60%. 7th - PREDICTION #7: Zelda scores over 85% on Mega Man X. A triple, maybe, but not a quadrouple.... 8th - PREDICTION #10: Mario Kart scores over 55% against Mega Man. 9th - PREDICTION #8: Fire Emblem doubles Silent Hill and becomes the surprise powerhouse of the contest. My prediction? I'll say 57%. 10th - PREDICTION #3: Halo will double Castlevania. I'll give Halo 54%. Either way, I think consoles have this. 11th - PREDICTION #16: The Legend of Zelda wins the contest. Not probable, but like they say; weirder things have happened. 12th - PREDICTION #11: Elder Scrolls is absolutely destroyed by Street Fighter because the average voter does not equate "Elder Scrolls" with "Oblivion's series". We're talking over 70% here. I just don't think SF is strong like that. Maybe 56%. 13th - PREDICTION #1: Pokemon will score over 60% on Star Ocean. I'll say 53%. 14th - PREDICTION #13: Final Fantasy fails to double Resident Evil. I'll say 62% for FF. 15th - PREDICTION #12: Final Fantasy fails to double Diablo. This is almost a triple. This is why this is 15th and FF beating Resident Evil is not. I'll say FF wins this at 71%. 16th - PREDICTION #6: Grand Theft Auto flops against Warcraft and Halo/StarCraft 2.0 is on our hands. Lolz. Sorry, I left the Blizzard bandwagon long ago. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
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| Applause Sign | Posted 6/21/2006 9:29:54 AM | message detail |
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14th - PREDICTION #13: Final Fantasy fails to double Resident Evil. I'll say 62% for FF. Good call, Tex. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 10:22:37 AM | message detail |
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So how hard is everybody expecting LoZ to SFF Metroid, anyway? Keep in
mind LoZ's #2 got 74% on Metroid's probable-#1 and LoZ's #3/4/5 got
55.22% on Metroid's probable #2, plus LoZ:OoT and LoZ:MM came out in a
generation where there were no console Metroid games. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/21/2006 10:27:49 AM | message detail |
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I think Zelda will miss that 74% benchmark for a bit. My (sure to be
unpopular reason) for this is because I think the Prime subseries won't
be as prone to SFF as the old Metroids and will garner its series some
more votes. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/21/2006 10:28:04 AM | message detail |
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for a bit = by a bit --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Dark115 | Posted 6/21/2006 10:31:51 AM | message detail |
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PREDICTION #6: Grand Theft Auto flops against Warcraft and Halo/StarCraft 2.0 is on our hands. I actually think this one may be possible. By that I mean GTA flopping against Warcraft. I mean what has GTA done to prove its so well liked here? Warcraft could be the next Starcraft. It won't however make it to Halo as the winner of GTA/Warcraft won't beat SMB. What do you guys think? Is GTA really a safe pick? --- Currently Playing: Halo 2 (Xbox), Kingdom Hearts II (PS2), Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (PS2), New Super Mario Bros (DS) |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 6/21/2006 10:34:13 AM | message detail |
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Has Samus/Metroid ever suffered from SFF without the Super Metroid sprite? --- Enter The GameFAQs StarCraft Tournament of Champions 2006: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=2000184&topic=28674294 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/21/2006 10:34:34 AM | message detail |
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Well SSB/Sonic will meet SMB in the finals, so yes >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| red sox 777 | Posted 6/21/2006 10:36:00 AM | message detail |
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Well, GTA:VC did break 46% on SSBM. --- 1123581321345589 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 10:48:49 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, GTA has more or less proven itself, moreso with its dominating
performances in GOTY polls. That's not to say it could come up short
from being, say, the 4th strongest series, but it shouldn't have too
much trouble with freaking Warcraft. The one thing that should have most of this board in doubt is Halo/Kingdom Hearts. I mean, Halo outdid the original KH on Starcraft, Halo 2 outdid the original Halo in sales and has a significant XBox Live presence (can't say either about KH2). And let's not forget KH2's unremarkable performance against NSMB and Oblivion. Yet somehow you've got a HUGE consensus picking KH over Halo, and have a sizable number of people picking Castlevania over Halo. Huh? I'll say this much: Halo at least has a shot at Metal Gear, however slim. Kingdom Hearts is being vastly overestimated by this board, and coupled with the fact that anything weird in that match going MGS's way (you know it will), I'd be utterly shocked if MGS didn't break 55% in that match. And I have KH > Halo, too. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 10:50:40 AM | message detail |
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I don't think Metroid will get SFF'd to the ground like most people are
thinking. LttP/Super Metroid was a worst case scenario. Metroid will
definitely do better than 25%, with the Prime series and the GBA games
coming into consideration as well. I think there still is a core
Metroid fanbase on this site. Even though Mario SFF'd Samus, she still
got a healthy 40% on him and Link (although it was WWLink). I think
that core fanbase is large enough for Metroid to get at least 30% and possibly 35%. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 10:55:59 AM | message detail |
| I can't buy anything that high, every Zelda game ever made is going to be unprecedented in strength in terms of the Nintendo hierarchy here. Zelda/Metroid is going to be UGLY, I couldn't fathom Metroid getting 35%. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 10:57:19 AM | message detail |
| Then again, I just resisted the temptation again to put Kirby over Metroid again, so take into account I'm prone to underestimate the thing. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 11:02:33 AM | message detail |
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The one thing that should have most of this board in doubt is
Halo/Kingdom Hearts. I mean, Halo outdid the original KH on Starcraft,
Halo 2 outdid the original Halo in sales and has a significant XBox
Live presence (can't say either about KH2). And let's not forget KH2's
unremarkable performance against NSMB and Oblivion. Yet somehow you've
got a HUGE consensus picking KH over Halo, and have a sizable number of
people picking Castlevania over Halo. Huh? Halo outdid Kingdom Hearts when KH wasn't nearly as liked as a series as it was now. And even then, Halo only beats Kingdom Hearts 53-47, and that's a MaxedOutHalo that was beefed up with mass rallying against Starcraft, so that's probably a best case scenario for that matchup. I know I sound like a broken record, but since then, Kingdom Hearts has become much more popular as a series. I don't know why people take that GotY poll for KH2 so seriously. 30% said they hadn't even played any of the games yet, which shows a fair bit of honesty in that poll and that it wasn't just franchise voting. Of course the Xbox 360 fanbase is going to choose Oblivion, so it was expected that Oblivion did so well. It is a good game ya know. And you know the Nintendo/DS fanbase was going to get NSMB at least 10%, so that was expected as well. All in all, I don't see how KH2's showing was bad at all. It certainly wasn't going to take away votes from the Oblivion/Xbox fanbase. The only way it could have done better is out of that 30% of people that hadn't played it yet. KH2 did what it was supposed to do in that poll. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 11:04:15 AM | message detail |
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Top 100 List comparison: ---GTA:SA - #11, GTA3 - #27, GTA:VC - #35 ---WoW - #39, Warcraft 3 - #60 Best Game Ever x-stat comparison: ---GTA:VC - 34.91% ---Warcraft - N/A 46.46% against SSBM is no joke, especially when you consider that it very well may be the weakest of the three main games in the series. GTA3 was runner-up for GotY in 2001, GTA:VC missed GotY by 1,616 votes in 2002, and GTA:SA was GotY in 2004. GTA games sell very well, and GTA:LC just recently got ported to the PS2 (which was the PSP's GotY, for what it's worth). GTA's also multi-platform, which can't hurt its cause. Meanwhile, just over 55% of the site doesn't play WoW or even wants to, and WoW should certainly be more help than the other Warcraft games (I'm not trying to insinuate the other Warcraft games are hated though). Here, have an idea of how Warcraft 3 does: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1133 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134 Notice GTA:VC in both of those as well, please, and let me repeat again that GTA:VC may be the weakest of the three GTA games. If Warcraft wins, it's STRICTLY because of huge outside rallying...and considering we've seen huge attempts from Starcraft already in close matches as well as small attempts for Diablo (the character), they're going to need a LOT more since it should otherwise be a blow-out. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 11:12:07 AM | message detail |
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Also, skimming over the bracket, let me ask this: could there be two
better matches than what we got right now if we switched up series from
the GTA/WC match and the TES/SF match? I know SF/WC would have a flurry
of debates, though I don't like the idea of TES being wasted to
GTA...and WC/TES would be fun too, although SF would then be wasted to
GTA (though you'd have people argue about GTA/RE in the next round)..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 11:16:13 AM | message detail |
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Halo outdid Kingdom Hearts when KH wasn't nearly as liked as a
series as it was now. And even then, Halo only beats Kingdom Hearts
53-47, and that's a MaxedOutHalo that was beefed up with mass rallying
against Starcraft, so that's probably a best case scenario for that
matchup. I don't see how this is anything other than a strong point for Halo. The Halo fans showed up to rally against Starcraft's rallying, and the results show it. The fans of KH simply weren't numerous enough or didn't care for its match. Seems like a far stronger point in favor of Halo, wouldn't you say? I know I sound like a broken record, but since then, Kingdom Hearts has become much more popular as a series. But what evidence do you have? Kingdom Hearts is more popular now because of...anecdotal evidence? Hype? The board's opinion of it? Why people think KH2 has increased the series' popularity more than Halo 2 has done for Halo, I have no idea. Halo 2 has sold more, has OUTSOLD the original. Why can't it be stronger as well, stronger in general? Hell, at face value it has a comfortable head start. I don't know why people take that GotY poll for KH2 so seriously. 30% said they hadn't even played any of the games yet, which shows a fair bit of honesty in that poll and that it wasn't just franchise voting. Of course the Xbox 360 fanbase is going to choose Oblivion, so it was expected that Oblivion did so well. It is a good game ya know. The "XBox 360 Fanbase"? You mean, THIS XBox 360 Fanbase: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2303 Yeah, it was on PC as well too -- and we know how much PC games not named Starcraft do. I would take KOTOR (XBox and PC) over Oblivion any day of the week right now, if you want to make a parallel to SpC2k4. And you know the Nintendo/DS fanbase was going to get NSMB at least 10%, so that was expected as well. NSMB had *barely* come out. All in all, I don't see how KH2's showing was bad at all. It certainly wasn't going to take away votes from the Oblivion/Xbox fanbase. That's if you assume that XBox voters never change their minds. Yeah, there's a bunch that don't, but it's not like MC gets the same amount of votes for every match that he's in. The only way it could have done better is out of that 30% of people that hadn't played it yet. KH2 did what it was supposed to do in that poll. And that's another thing: 30% of people hadn't even PLAYED KH2. How is that supposed to help Kingdom Hearts as a series, again? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 11:30:09 AM | message detail |
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About Metriod getting 30%-35% on LoZ, I can't see it unless yo actually
has a point about the Prime series not being so prone to SFF (which I'm
skeptical of for now)...and even then, LoZ is likely strong enough to legitimately get 65%-70% on Metroid. LoZ's biggest game on each system is bigger than any of Metroid's games on said system... LoZ > Metroid LoZ:LttP SFF'd SM hardcore LoZ:OoT and LoZ:MM had the N64 to themselves LoZ:WW beat MP LoZ has a following on the handheld scene as well ...and, by the strengths of each game, LoZ would beat each Metroid game if you lined them up... LoZ:OoT > SM (MP) LoZ:LttP > MP (or SM) LoZ:WW (or LoZ:MM/LoZ) > Metroid (or MP2:E) LoZ:MM (or LoZ/LoZ:WW) > MP2:E (or Metroid) ...and there's still the original LoZ in the mix, too. Metroid's handheld games would be duking it out with LoZ's handheld games enough as-is, then trying to take on LoZ or any other console game is a lost cause. That's a STEEP uphill battle for Metroid to get 30%-35%. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/21/2006 11:41:00 AM | message detail |
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PREDICTION #1: Pokemon will score over 60% on Star Ocean. PREDICTION #12: Final Fantasy fails to double Diablo. PREDICTION #14: Final Fantasy fails to get 55% on Super Mario Bros. PREDICTION #16: The Legend of Zelda wins the contest. PREDICTION #10: Mario Kart scores over 55% against Mega Man. PREDICTION #5: Due to Pokemon being double SSFed by Metroid and Zelda (which will then be soundly beaten by FF), Star Ocean will be in dead last in the Xstats. PREDICTION #8: Fire Emblem doubles Silent Hill and becomes the surprise powerhouse of the contest. PREDICTION #13: Final Fantasy fails to double Resident Evil. PREDICTION #2: Kingdom Hearts will keep Metal Gear under 52%. Assuming it gets there, of course. PREDICTION #11: Elder Scrolls is absolutely destroyed by Street Fighter because the average voter does not equate "Elder Scrolls" with "Oblivion's series". We're talking over 70% here. PREDICTION #3: Halo will double Castlevania. PREDICTION #4: Zelda gets less than 64% on Metroid. PREDICTION #7: Zelda scores over 85% on Mega Man X. PREDICTION #6: Grand Theft Auto flops against Warcraft and Halo/StarCraft 2.0 is on our hands. PREDICTION #15: Halo falls flat on its face and is doubled by Kingdom Hearts. PREDICTION #9: Super Smash Bros. scores over 60% against Sonic. --- "What's wrong with boot blacking? I like it very much." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 11:43:35 AM | message detail |
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I don't see how this is anything other than a strong point for Halo.
The Halo fans showed up to rally against Starcraft's rallying, and the
results show it. The fans of KH simply weren't numerous enough or
didn't care for its match. Seems like a far stronger point in favor of
Halo, wouldn't you say? But you used their matchups against Starcraft as an example of why Halo should be the favorite. And going solely by that, the difference really isn't that big in 2k4. I'm just stating the facts. It's not an indication of what's going to happen now. Halo did have a huge rally back then, and that's the main reason why it did better against Starcraft. And after the fact, the difference isn't that big. But what evidence do you have? Kingdom Hearts is more popular now because of...anecdotal evidence? Hype? The board's opinion of it? Why people think KH2 has increased the series' popularity more than Halo 2 has done for Halo, I have no idea. Halo 2 has sold more, has OUTSOLD the original. Why can't it be stronger as well, stronger in general? Hell, at face value it has a comfortable head start. You have no proof that Halo 2 made the series more popular than KH2 and Chain of Memories did for its series. That's what I'm arguing. You're making it seem like Kingdom Hearts has no chance of winning this match. Based on my experience with both games and what I've generally noticed around the site, KH2 did much more for the popularity of its series than Halo 2. I acknowledge that Halo 2 was a huge game, and the Xbox Live presence has made the series more popular, but KH has become much more popular as well, which is the part of my argument that you are not even touching. Think about it, what did the original Kingdom Hearts have that made people really like it as a series? Your average person called it a decent button masher that had Disney and Final Fantasy characters in it. That's it. The story was hardly memorable. The biggest draws for the game on this site were the presence of Final Fantasy characters, and discussion of Final Mix/Deep Dive/ect. Kingdom Hearts 2 and CoM gave the fanbase a lot more to get attached to. An actual storyline from start to finish. The main characters (Sora/Riku) became much more likable. They still have all of the FF characters that everybody loves, plus more. The presence of Roxas and Organization XIII. The improved gameplay. More big moments in the game than the original. From everything I've seen on this site and other publications, KH as a series has become much more popular since 2k4, just as Halo has. I don't see why KH can't beat Halo in series popularity. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 11:44:01 AM | message detail |
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The "XBox 360 Fanbase"? You mean, THIS XBox 360 Fanbase: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2303 Yeah, it was on PC as well too -- and we know how much PC games not named Starcraft do. I would take KOTOR (XBox and PC) over Oblivion any day of the week right now, if you want to make a parallel to SpC2k4. From that poll, there were 15000 people with an Xbox 360 at that time or trying to get one. A good number of them probably own, have played, or at least know a good deal about Oblivion. Then add the PC vote and the main Xbox fanbase that doesn't have a 360 yet. Oblivion got 18,000 votes. Not exactly hard to do with a dedicated fanbase to the game. There still is a core Xbox fanbase on this site. Oblivion's success in that poll is proof of that. It isn't exactly the kind of game that is going to draw default votes. Unless you're trying to say people were picking Oblivion out of dislike for Kingdom Hearts? NSMB had *barely* come out. And what do you expect that core Nintendo fanbase to vote for? Oblivion? Even if NSMB had been out for months or a day, it was going to get at least 10%. That's a given. Again, we're talking about why Kingdom Hearts "only" got 27.6%. I still fail to see why that is supposed to be considered a bad showing... And that's another thing: 30% of people hadn't even PLAYED KH2. How is that supposed to help Kingdom Hearts as a series, again? Because the series has become more popular among those that have played it? Again, what's the big deal? Can you not accept that KH has possibly become popular enough as a series to beat Halo? The disparity wasn't that big to begin with. I don't know why you're so adamant about arguing this. They were close in 2k4. They've both had big releases since then. It's a toss-up match. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 11:52:15 AM | message detail |
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But you used their matchups against Starcraft as an example of why
Halo should be the favorite. And going solely by that, the difference
really isn't that big in 2k4. I'm just stating the facts. It's not an
indication of what's going to happen now. Halo did have a huge rally
back then, and that's the main reason why it did better against
Starcraft. And after the fact, the difference isn't that big. I use the matchups as evidence for Halo because rallying isn't exactly a one-time thing. Halo's ability to rally is part of its intrinsic strength. You have no proof that Halo 2 made the series more popular than KH2 and Chain of Memories did for its series. That's what I'm arguing. You're making it seem like Kingdom Hearts has no chance of winning this match. No, you're not, and no, I'm not. If you'd been paying attention, I have Kingdom Hearts beating Halo. Based on my experience with both games and what I've generally noticed around the site, KH2 did much more for the popularity of its series than Halo 2. I acknowledge that Halo 2 was a huge game, and the Xbox Live presence has made the series more popular, but KH has become much more popular as well, which is the part of my argument that you are not even touching. I am touching it, insofar that I am arguing that you have no proof for this assertion. Yes, KH is likely stronger now than it was in 2k4. Why can't Halo have been stronger? Think about it, what did the original Kingdom Hearts have that made people really like it as a series? Your average person called it a decent button masher that had Disney and Final Fantasy characters in it. That's it. The story was hardly memorable. The biggest draws for the game on this site were the presence of Final Fantasy characters, and discussion of Final Mix/Deep Dive/ect. Kingdom Hearts 2 and CoM gave the fanbase a lot more to get attached to. An actual storyline from start to finish. The main characters (Sora/Riku) became much more likable. They still have all of the FF characters that everybody loves, plus more. The presence of Roxas and Organization XIII. The improved gameplay. More big moments in the game than the original. From everything I've seen on this site and other publications, KH as a series has become much more popular since 2k4, just as Halo has. I don't see why KH can't beat Halo in series popularity. You're addressing my bringing up the possibilty of Halo getting more popular as well as some sort of an attack on the idea of KH getting stronger, and it doesn't work like that. I'm not at all discrediting KH's chances, I'm criticizing the board for giving Halo no credit. No, people, Halo will not lose to Castlevania. No, Kingdom Hearts will not double it. Halo v. Kingdom Hearts is one of the most and one of the ONLY up in the air matches, and it's absurd that people are struggling more with GTA/Warcraft than it. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 11:56:37 AM | message detail |
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I consider Oblivion the winner of the poll, but it still stands that
KH2 is the GotY thus far. It's also still the last huge hit to be
released, too...and I assume its over-lap with KH and KH:CoM is much
smaller than Halo 2's over-lap with Halo. Now, whether Halo 2 did more
for the Halo series than KH did for the KH series, it's debatable, but
I'm going with KH. As a side-note, I want to say this: sure, Halo fans may have rallied some...but I do not want to hear that like they rallied moreso than Starcraft fans. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:01:35 PM | message detail |
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From that poll, there were 15000 people with an Xbox 360 at that
time or trying to get one. A good number of them probably own, have
played, or at least know a good deal about Oblivion. Then add the PC
vote and the main Xbox fanbase that doesn't have a 360 yet. Oblivion
got 18,000 votes. Not exactly hard to do with a dedicated fanbase to
the game. There still is a core Xbox fanbase on this site. Oblivion's
success in that poll is proof of that. It isn't exactly the kind of
game that is going to draw default votes. Unless you're trying to say
people were picking Oblivion out of dislike for Kingdom Hearts? No, but look at the percentages; the percent of voters that voted for Oblivion is almost as much as the percentage that own an XBox 360. I can't fathom how there would be such VAST uniformity over every single XBox 360 owner, especially when a large portion don't even own Oblivion. And what do you expect that core Nintendo fanbase to vote for? Oblivion? Even if NSMB had been out for months or a day, it was going to get at least 10%. That's a given. I would have actually expected more votes for the "I haven't played" option, actually. Again, we're talking about why Kingdom Hearts "only" got 27.6%. I still fail to see why that is supposed to be considered a bad showing... Because of the competition -- do you expect Twilight Princess would have let Oblivion take such a large chunk out of it? Heh, core XBox fanbase or no, that's a little hard for me to swallow. And let me put it this way -- do you think Oblivion would outdo Halo 2 in that poll? Because there's a DAMN good chance Halo 2 outright beats KH2 in that poll. Because the series has become more popular among those that have played it? Again, what's the big deal? Can you not accept that KH has possibly become popular enough as a series to beat Halo? The disparity wasn't that big to begin with. I don't know why you're so adamant about arguing this. They were close in 2k4. They've both had big releases since then. It's a toss-up match. Uh, mnm? Please refer to my first post on this subject. You seem to be monstrously confused as to what I am arguing. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 12:04:50 PM | message detail |
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My bad then. It just seemed like you were attacking why I think that KH
has become much more popular. I've stated many times that Halo has also
become popular. It looks like you weren't even addressing me though, as
I think it's absurd myself for Halo to get doubled by KH. Nothing
doubles Halo except for maybe the Top Three series, and even then, it's
not given. The Halo/MC fanbase has shown to be extremely dedicated. As for KH/Halo, of course we don't have proof about which has become more popular since 2k4, but that doesn't mean I can't have a strong feeling about it. And you can't prove that I'm wrong as well. You brought up the poll about KH2 like it was an indication that the game won't do much for the popularity of the series, and I was simply refuting that. Halo undoubtedly has a great chance to win. I definitely wasn't arguing on behalf of the board heavily siding with KH, as I could care less what the board thinks... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:05:30 PM | message detail |
| Heh, no way did Halo fans rally on the level of Starcraft fans, but the vast number of votes it received on its end shows that it rose to the challenge. Plus, it's certainly no stranger to rallying in subsequent matches...hello there, Frog/MC (yeah, day vote, but there was serious rallying going on there too). |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/21/2006 12:05:40 PM | message detail |
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I just noticed this: Overall Feedback Status There are currently 445 open feedback tickets awaiting response from GameFAQs. In the past seven days, 687 new feedback tickets have been created. To view the status of any of your own open feedback tickets, click here. ...wasn't it just yesterday that he cleaned it out? Does anybody know why there was such a rush? --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:08:23 PM | message detail |
| I only bring up the poll because it brings doubt to what KH2 will do -- I see it as a minus for the Kingdom Hearts series, not a plus. Halo has a LOT of minuses on its end as well...like so much of the site STILl being virulently anti-Xbox. I think we're coming to the same conclusion through different means anyhow again though... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:12:36 PM | message detail |
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I phrased that kind of poorly...I don't see KH2 as a minus for the KH series at all, I see that poll as something to cast doubt on it. ...now I think I'm done. |
| Lopen | Posted 6/21/2006 12:19:22 PM | message detail |
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Why does this topic seem to have the idea that KH2 did more for KH than Halo 2 did for Halo? Halo 2 was the biggest
sequel to have come out for a game in years. The hype for it was
unbelievable, it gained the X-Box live power, it outsold Halo. I don't
see what advantage KH2 has aside from recency. And I don't think any series short of FF could double Halo. The only reason Halo isn't an absolute powerhouse here is because a huge chunk of the site still shuns the X-Box. But the fact remains, we Halo fans that are here really like our Halo. It's not gonna get doubled very easily at all. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 12:20:17 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but I was stating that poll was pretty much what I'd expect out
of Kingdom Hearts 2. It still won the poll outright. It certainly isn't
even near the popularity of what a Twilight Princess would be. Plus
there are rarely instances where one game in a GotY poll simply runs
away with the poll. RE4 is probably the only example I can think of.
Oblivion has shown to be no slouch on this site, and a Mario game that
is the only Nintendo game in the poll is going to pull votes regardless
of how many of the Nintendo fans had actually played it. You can't
really expect KH2 to have done much better in that poll. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 12:28:26 PM | message detail |
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Why does this topic seem to have the idea that KH2 did more for KH
than Halo 2 did for Halo? Halo 2 was the biggest sequel to have come
out for a game in years. The hype for it was unbelievable, it gained
the X-Box live power, it outsold Halo. I don't see what advantage KH2
has aside from recency. And I don't think any series short of FF could double Halo. The only reason Halo isn't an absolute powerhouse here is because a huge chunk of the site still shuns the X-Box. But the fact remains, we Halo fans that are here really like our Halo. It's not gonna get doubled very easily at all. Aha! Lopen provides me a way to sum up everything I've been trying to say! Genius! Halo 2 was indeed a huge release and everything, and it probably did bring more popularity to the series. But like Lopen said, Halo fans really like Halo (me too!). That was apparent even before the release of Halo 2. In 2k4, you couldn't really say the same for Kingdom Hearts. Sure it got a decent amount of support against Starcraft, but look how it did against Soul Calibur. Kingdom Hearts fans back then did not really like their Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts 2 has given those fans a reason to really like the Kingdom Hearts series, which is why I think it will do much better than it did in 2k4. It's not anything I can prove in a tangible manner, but it's the general sentiment I have felt from everything I've seen with the game and its fanbase. All the things I listed in that previous post gives the fanbase a lot more to get attached to. That's all I was really trying to say. I wasn't arguing at all against Halo. We already know what it's bringing to the match. I was more or less stating why I think we will be seeing a different KH. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Big Bob | Posted 6/21/2006 12:33:50 PM | message detail |
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At this point, I'm getting tired of discussing and just want the contest to start. If I get GTA/Warcraft wrong, oh well. Pokemon > Star Ocean Fire Emblem > Silent Hill Metal Gear > Halo/Kingdom Hearts Super Smash Bros > Sonic > Devil May Cry Resident Evil > Street Fighter > The Elder Scrolls --- Your score is: FAIL http://www.utdallas.edu/~mxs015000/cgi-bin/evaluation.pl |
| Tai | Posted 6/21/2006 12:34:38 PM | message detail |
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...wasn't it just yesterday that he cleaned it out? Does anybody know why there was such a rush? Mod apps. are open now. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| SephirothG | Posted 6/21/2006 12:40:30 PM | message detail |
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PREDICTION #1: Pokemon will score over 60% on Star Ocean. No, but it may be close. PREDICTION #12: Final Fantasy fails to double Diablo. >_> No PREDICTION #14: Final Fantasy fails to get 55% on Super Mario Bros. No, but it's not impossible. PREDICTION #16: The Legend of Zelda wins the contest. XD No PREDICTION #10: Mario Kart scores over 55% against Mega Man. No, but it won't be a 50/50 match at all. PREDICTION #5: Due to Pokemon being double SSFed by Metroid and Zelda (which will then be soundly beaten by FF), Star Ocean will be in dead last in the Xstats. Yeah, but Metroid won't necessarily SFF Pokemon. PREDICTION #8: Fire Emblem doubles Silent Hill and becomes the surprise powerhouse of the contest. lol no. PREDICTION #13: Final Fantasy fails to double Resident Evil. Yes PREDICTION #2: Kingdom Hearts will keep Metal Gear under 52%. Assuming it gets there, of course. No PREDICTION #11: Elder Scrolls is absolutely destroyed by Street Fighter because the average voter does not equate "Elder Scrolls" with "Oblivion's series". We're talking over 70% here. No PREDICTION #3: Halo will double Castlevania. No PREDICTION #4: Zelda gets less than 64% on Metroid. No PREDICTION #7: Zelda scores over 85% on Mega Man X. No PREDICTION #6: Grand Theft Auto flops against Warcraft and Halo/StarCraft 2.0 is on our hands. NO PREDICTION #15: Halo falls flat on its face and is doubled by Kingdom Hearts. No PREDICTION #9: Super Smash Bros. scores over 60% against Sonic. I doubt it. --- [Something clever was here before the sig wipe] http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585012 |
| Lopen | Posted 6/21/2006 12:43:49 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm, I guess I'll buy that defense... it calls me a genius, after all.
I, however, think that the overall reduced X-Box hate in the last two
years and increased exposure Halo 2 gives will more than counter this.
I mean that poll sort of casts doubt on that theory, considering only
~28% called it the best game of this year,
and who knows how many of those were already KH voters to begin with?
(I don't really think this game was as unloved as you're implying, KH
seemed pretty popular to me back in the day) But we'll see in time I
guess. And also, to explain KH's poor performance vs Soul Calibur... I think most Soul Calibur voters were voting based on Soul Calibur 2. And I think Soul Calibur 2 is something to be respected on this site. It was a pretty big game, for the Gamecube especially. I know I at least predicted it over KH because of Soul Calibur 2's fairly recent release. (didn't vote for it, though I voted based on Soul Calibur 2 as well... just so happens I liked KH more than either) Now don't get me wrong here, I don't think this applies for most games. But since a huge chunk of the voting base at the time had not actually played Soul Calibur, I think it could've happened in this case. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:47:57 PM | message detail |
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Not to beat a dead horse...okay, so I guess I am, but I really don't
see what makes Oblivion a 'presence' on this site other than that poll
with KH2 (a bit o' circular reasoning toward that argument) and it
scrounging up a six seed in this contest. And if Silent Hill and Fire
Emblem don't tell you that's not an indication of anything, nothing
will. Also, just to second-guess myself even more, here's the 2004 GOTY poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877 If it had the "I haven't played any option", that would probably have convinced me to switch to Halo. But as it stands, doing that well against the likes of San Andreas, MP2, and HL2... I'd probably take Halo 2 over KH2 in a direct poll. I'd probably take Halo over KH in a direct poll. Yet I still stick with Kingdom Hearts...okay, I might be crazy, actually. --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| Dark115 | Posted 6/21/2006 12:52:08 PM | message detail |
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I'd probably take Halo 2 over KH2 in a direct poll. I'd probably
take Halo over KH in a direct poll. Yet I still stick with Kingdom
Hearts...okay, I might be crazy, actually. You know as strange and messed up as that sounds I'd more than likely do the same --- Currently Playing: Halo 2 (Xbox), Kingdom Hearts II (PS2), Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (PS2), New Super Mario Bros (DS) |
| Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/21/2006 12:53:50 PM | message detail |
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Of course, KH has the CoM Factor !! We can only hope the Halo Novels Factor doesn't come back to bite us in the ass =/ --- *is Karma Hunter* |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/21/2006 12:55:51 PM | message detail |
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YES! I got my full time job! Systems Engineer for NAVAIR baby! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |