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Lopen | Posted 6/23/2006 4:34:40 PM | message detail
Well I wasn't using that as the reason why, more as support to my claim. But he did do a bit better than I remember, now that I look back.

Still not very impressive considering he should be a NES icon of sorts.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/23/2006 4:37:09 PM | message detail
I knew it! I see right through you, MM!

I... mean... CASTLEVANIA>METAL GEAR!!!

But I am seriously considering switching to Castlevania>KH. All I know is that Kingdom Hearts is losing in the second round. I can't decide if it will be because big series do better in this contest or because another small series just outclasses it.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 4:37:41 PM | message detail
The NES didn't even really have icons outside of Mario and Mega Man. Not even Link could be considered an Icon back then. Maybe due to the Zelda show on Fridays... but I doubt it. <_<; Yes, Simon Belmont was on Captain N. He still wasn't really an icon!
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/23/2006 4:38:15 PM | message detail
Still not very impressive considering he should be a NES icon of sorts.
Not really. You'll notice that all of the NES-era icons are icons because they continued beyond the NES.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 6/23/2006 4:43:15 PM | message detail
Going back to CastleVania: At this point Alucard is the face of CastleVania with SOTN being the game with the most support. Simon Belmont is really just fodder even if he was in the first game.
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Lopen | Posted 6/23/2006 4:46:55 PM | message detail
Okay, okay, you got me. I'll admit there isn't a huge case for a bad Old School Castlevania showing based on Simon's whipping. But I still don't see a reason to believe that the originals are anything that significant. I do think Castlevania draws more from its series than say... Sonic the Hedgehog does. I'm not saying it's going to be straight up SotN strength, here. Just thinking that the GBA/DS games are the X-Factors we should be hyping more than the old games.

Man... I wish they had actually made a Captain N game so we could get him into this contest. That would be hilarious.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/23/2006 4:52:50 PM | message detail
I never said a thing about Castlevania threatening Halo or Kingdom Hearts. All I said is that the series will be much stronger than SotN.

That wasn't necessarily addressing something you said so much as it was a general statement.

I don't see any Castlevania game being stronger than SotN. The series isn't that popular. Has any Castlevania game since SCIV even sold over 1 million in the US?

Castlevania games usually don't do terribly well in sales. Dawn of Sorrow sold 170,000 copies, Curse of Darkness sold 114,000 copies, and that GBA pack sold like 30,000. Aria of Sorrow sold 158,000 copies and so forth. They usually don't break 200,000.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 6:27:57 PM | message detail
Street Fighter > Resident Evil > The Elder Scrolls > Shadow Hearts

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2006 7:00:29 PM | message detail
RE is kicking SF's ass. I'll sig-bet on that.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 7:01:03 PM | message detail
I'll sig bet that.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2006 7:03:50 PM | message detail
Before RE4, I would have picked Street Fighter in a second. But given this match is essentially RE4 v SF2, I picked RE. I don't see how it can lose, given how SFF upsets from the seemingly weaker entity are almost impossible. It's happened once, and that's only because people and their lovely X-Stats were smart enough to convince themselves that Samus was actually stronger than Mario in the first place.

And no, I will never live that match down. It's one of my all-time favorite "upsets".

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 7:14:36 PM | message detail
Sig bet!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2006 7:15:32 PM | message detail
Can't, I'm already in a sig bet known as the Guru Contest.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 7:16:11 PM | message detail
So am I.

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swirIdude | Posted 6/23/2006 7:21:05 PM | message detail
And no, I will never live that match down. It's one of my all-time favorite "upsets".

With Magus/Knux at #1, right?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2006 7:21:47 PM | message detail
I'll sig-bet with you from the day of that match until the day the contest ends (thanks to the Guru contest) on it. It has to be ToS-friendly, and anything else is fair game.

How much do you expect SF to beat RE by, for the record?
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therealmnm | Posted 6/23/2006 7:34:23 PM | message detail
Eh, I wouldn't exactly call Street Fighter/RE a SFF affair. Sure, they share the same company, but it's not like all games from Capcom share the same fanbase, given how diverse the company is. Metal Gear/Final Fantasy would probably have more SFF than Street Fighter/RE.

I think this will be more than just Street Fighter 2 going in this match. The Alpha games may not be as popular as the original Street Fighter 2, but it still has its fans. Then you have the Vs. games, which are pretty much Street Fighter as well. The only reason why I wouldn't take SF is solely because of RE4.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/23/2006 8:48:07 PM | message detail
Hmm... SF with 53%

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/23/2006 9:45:44 PM | message detail
Hell no, Starcraft > Halo was the best.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/23/2006 9:51:39 PM | message detail
Knuckles beating Magus is indefinitely cooler than Starcraft beating Halo.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 6/23/2006 11:19:49 PM | message detail
I leave for five days and come back to...not even a whole stat topic filled? And with nothing interesting to discuss?

I'm disappointed that the biggest event worth mentioning is that the poll position was fixed.
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cyko | Posted 6/24/2006 6:37:25 AM | message detail
meh, there's a little bit of discuusion about Castlevania's upset chances.

and i would not be surprised at all to see Castlevania walk out of it's 4-pack. i don't think the portable games are individually stronger or even close to SotN, but they are still excellent games that offer exposure for Castlevania to an entire new demograph. and i'm still trying to figure out how Castlevania:DS rocketed up to #4 (last week) on Best Buy's sales charts. so, since people are buying the game - someone must care about Castlevania and someone must like the new Castlevanias.

however, my instinct tells me that Castlevania as a whole won't be that much stronger than SotN. that is because i feel that a series is only as strong as it's strongest game. that's how i've felt since this contest was announced. i think a series could be weaker than it's strongest game if it's got some less popular games to drag it down. but i really don't see what could make a series more popular than it's most popular game.

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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 6:43:47 AM | message detail
Jesus, Castlevania is not winning against Halo, people.

Let's look at last year's Top 10.

Halo: #9
Castlevania: lol
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 6:46:24 AM | message detail
I'm also going to predict right now that every match in this contest will fall in line with their respective series' representation on the Top 100, unless they're really close together.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/24/2006 6:48:15 AM | message detail
YA BT HALO 2 LOST TO TEH SYMPHONIA
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Phediuk | Posted 6/24/2006 6:49:07 AM | message detail
Yes, but Halo 2 isn't an entry in the contest. And Halo got #9. kthx
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 7:37:22 AM | message detail
I'll sig-bet with you from the day of that match until the day the contest ends (thanks to the Guru contest) on it. It has to be ToS-friendly, and anything else is fair game.

I accept. >=)

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 7:48:36 AM | message detail
It's on.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 7:49:29 AM | message detail
Oh, and in the off-chance that TES beats SF, I'll be willing just to call the bet off if you like.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 7:50:05 AM | message detail
How do you think RE will perform against SF?

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 7:50:50 AM | message detail
SF will destroy ES. But OK.

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Janus5000 | Posted 6/24/2006 7:55:38 AM | message detail
Let's look at last year's Top 10.

Halo: #9
Castlevania: lol


Let's play "Guess the game that beat Halo yet is below SOTN in the Top 100!"
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 7:57:59 AM | message detail
I'll take RE with 55+%.
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WilhuffTarkin | Posted 6/24/2006 8:10:27 AM | message detail
I'll say that SF takes out ES with around... 57% of the vote?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 8:19:56 AM | message detail
I don't see it being close at all... 70%.

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HaRRicH | Posted 6/24/2006 8:58:15 AM | message detail
I'm thinkin' about 59%, give or take a lil'...hard to tell though.
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jonthomson | Posted 6/24/2006 8:59:50 AM | message detail
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jonthomson | Posted 6/24/2006 9:00:24 AM | message detail
My SF line is between 60% and a doubling.

(typo fixed)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/24/2006 10:02:58 AM | message detail
I don't even get the CV > Halo stuff.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 11:07:42 AM | message detail
Me either.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/24/2006 12:14:46 PM | message detail
that is because i feel that a series is only as strong as it's strongest game.

I really have no idea why ANYONE thinks this because it doesn't make very much sense except for series where games are essentially the same (Madden, SSB, etc.).
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therealmnm | Posted 6/24/2006 12:18:36 PM | message detail
Some series will be a lot closer to its strongest game than others. There is no general standard!
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 12:31:06 PM | message detail
Go Diablo!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/24/2006 12:33:49 PM | message detail
I want to see a contest-related poll soon. CJayC usually does at least one before every contest.

Personally, I'd like to see a "Which #1 seed do you think has the best chance of winning?" poll.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/24/2006 12:35:36 PM | message detail
1) Final Fantasy
2) Legend of Zelda
3) Super Mario Bros.
4) Metal Gear

Pretty much, yeah.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/24/2006 12:36:07 PM | message detail
I really wouldn't be surprised if the Legend of Zelda won that poll.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/24/2006 12:36:47 PM | message detail
I really have no idea why ANYONE thinks this because it doesn't make very much sense except for series where games are essentially the same (Madden, SSB, etc.).

Makes sense to me. I actually wouldn't be TOO surprised if some series weren't as strong as their SpC2K4 counterparts (Castlevania, Smash Bros, Halo).
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/24/2006 12:37:35 PM | message detail
Fails to make sense as to why an entire series is essentially relegated to the strength of the top game in cases where the best/favorite game is heavily debated.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/24/2006 12:38:01 PM | message detail
I doubt Zelda would win the poll. Wouldn't Nintendo's votes be split?
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Aprosenf | Posted 6/24/2006 12:38:05 PM | message detail
No, Final Fantasy still wins easily.
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