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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 293
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| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2006 2:10:57 PM | message detail |
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Unlike Suikoden II or Shadow Hearts: Covenant or Fire Emblem 7 or
Xenogears, I have never heard anyone give gushing praise for Star Ocean
3. It's either "yeah, it's good, but it could've been a lot better" or
"the plot twist was incredibly stupid" or "the first hour was good but
then it became really boring". Do you post here at all? Star Ocean 3 gets gushing praise from partystar, Sir Chris, Holy Excalibur and Phase all the time. You're also backwards; people whine about how the beginning sucks, then think the game gets better as it goes. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/17/2006 2:11:21 PM | message detail |
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The combination of the two Capcom favorites polls and the top 100 list make me feel like it's RE's match. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:11:24 PM | message detail |
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As I said, I think the Favorite Capcom Series Poll (where RE came in
2nd before RE4) seemed to seal the deal for a lot of people. Then again, Yoshi winning the Favorite Mario Character poll seemed to seal the deal over Bowser for a lot of people, too, and we know how that turned out. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:12:31 PM | message detail |
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Ryu doesn't beat Leon by much though. Leon may end up getting a boost
from the PS2 released Resident Evil 4, too, which might give him the
win over Ryu. Not much to comment on with the villains because, well,
they're just really outclassed. Resident Evil was weaker than Street Fighter II, but Resident Evil 2 is definitely the more popular game (features Leon, too!). I would probably take RE2 over SF2 in a match. RE4 is one of the top games in the contest, so it beats any Street Fighter game without trouble. I don't think the match is completely obvious like some people say, but everything points to Resident Evil pulling that one out. RE4 was definitely a huge boost for that series, enough for me to think it'll beat Street Fighter in a match. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/17/2006 2:12:32 PM | message detail |
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Then again, Yoshi winning the Favorite Mario Character poll seemed to seal the deal over Bowser for a lot of people, too, and we know how that turned out. It's a matter of discretion. There's probably more SFF in a poll of characters from one series than in a poll of games that span very different genres from one company. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:13:32 PM | message detail |
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True enough, but you still can't predict how everyone who didn't vote
for either SF or RE would vote. It's hard to say how that match turns
out one-on-one. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/17/2006 2:13:36 PM | message detail |
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Like Mega Man and Sonic, Street Fighter is one of our industry's universal series. Everyone has played it. Almost everyone has some emotional attachment to it. RE4 seals the deal for me, but I wouldn't be shocked if Street Fighter really made a match of it. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/17/2006 2:14:25 PM | message detail |
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True enough, but you still can't predict how everyone who didn't
vote for either SF or RE would vote. It's hard to say how that match
turns out one-on-one. Of course. It's not really a very easy match. I mean, I am not second guessing my pick at all because of the top 100 list, but an argument could be made either way. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:15:03 PM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:17:22 PM | message detail |
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people whine about how the beginning sucks, then think the game gets better as it goes. Bingo! It isn't until you get to Elicoor II that the game begins to really start getting good. Luckily, that's only about two hours or so (correction!) of playing. The beginning was interesting enough to get you hooked, but it just sucks compared to the rest of the game. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| red sox 777 | Posted 6/17/2006 2:18:22 PM | message detail |
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You know, SFF means Same Fanbase Factor, so it should be able to apply
to any match with shared fanbases, right? Well, all matches have shared
fanbases to some extent, and among the more popular characters, most of
the voters are shared. For example, take Link vs. Cloud. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1251 81.35% of voters have played Final Fantasy VII. I couldn't find the poll for percentage of voters who have played Ocarina of Time, but I think it's pretty obvious that most voters here have played both FFVII and a Zelda game. There is more shared fanbase than unshared fanbase. So, yes, there could be significant "SFF" in Link v. Cloud. There does not need to be any connection between games or characters for them to share fanbases, if they have sufficiently large fanbases. Unless the split among the shared fanbase is equal to the split among the unshared fanbase, this will result in an "anomaly." But I think it is linearity, here, and not SFF, that is the problem. The idea that there is a "non-anomaly" value that x would get on y is the problem. The fact is that any shared fanbase can produce SFF, and although this SFF usually will not throw the actual result too far off from the predicted, it ensures that a single-variable predictive system will always have "anomalies." If Snake beat Sora with 65% and the match were rerun, Snake would still win with that much (well, perhaps less now, thanks to KHII). This is not an anomaly. This is the reality- fanbases are shared to a massive degree on this site. --- 1123581321345589 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:19:06 PM | message detail |
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True enough, but you still can't predict how everyone who didn't
vote for either SF or RE would vote. It's hard to say how that match
turns out one-on-one. Yeah. That match is pretty hard to make a decision on. I just couldn't come up with any situation where Street Fighter had a big advantage. It has many games on many different consoles, but the same applies to Resident Evil. A tough one either way though. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:22:06 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2185 Ocarina of Time ends up with 86.6% --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:22:07 PM | message detail |
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It's an anomaly in the sense that Sora would not look as weak facing
most other characters. Even if the same result happened facing Snake
again, it's still an anomaly. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:24:47 PM | message detail |
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Err, that should be 87.6%. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| red sox 777 | Posted 6/17/2006 2:25:49 PM | message detail |
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What I mean is that there is potential for "SFF" in every match with a significant shared fanbase. So SFF is really the norm... --- 1123581321345589 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:26:54 PM | message detail |
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Yes, there is bound to be an overlap in the fanbase at least to SOME
extent in every match. It just becomes of greater significance as you
increase the odds that somebody has played both. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2006 2:29:22 PM | message detail |
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Because Resident Evil has been the more popular Capcom series for years. We should have a link to the Top 100 Games List on the first post here. I can't keep track of the thing. kk ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:31:03 PM | message detail |
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Because Resident Evil has been the more popular Capcom series for years. I'm not sure how you can say that with absolute certainty. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:33:20 PM | message detail |
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Pretty interesting Resident Evil polls ... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=883 The first was taken in 2003 and RE2 wins the poll, but in the second, which was taken in 2002, REmake beats RE2. Heh. I'd like to see another with RE4 as an option sometime soon. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/17/2006 2:35:15 PM | message detail |
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Poor Resident Evil Gaiden. Should've done so much better. Interesting to note that the original and the remake combined outdo RE2. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:36:36 PM | message detail |
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...So you're telling me that sharing the same console ISN'T a
factor? Since when? You're basically telling me that people on this
site who own a PS2 (the top console on this site, yo) wouldn't possibly
own BOTH a Metal Gear Solid game AND a Kingdom Hearts game? Being
console exclusives only emphasizes that point. Also, we have TWO
possible examples of FFVII pulling an overperformance on MGS, and all
they do is share a console. And for the person who said "anomalies happen," what do you think SFF is? It's an anomaly. And they happen for a reason. It's not a fluke occurrence. Solid Snake would do it again in a rematch, though perhaps not to the same extreme due to KHII. ^5 IMHO, not much annoys me more than people complaining when we put SFF on a match that isn't Mario/Yoshi or something equally obvious. It's almost as if they don't understand the definition of SFF, or if they do, don't understand the english language. A ^5 IMHO also goes to HM, I would quote him, but that would take at least 3 posts to do. >_> --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:37:48 PM | message detail |
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Resident Evil 2 came out for the GameCube less than a month before that poll was taken, I believe, too. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:39:30 PM | message detail |
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Resident Evil Gaiden came out on the day of the poll. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| voltch | Posted 6/17/2006 2:40:42 PM | message detail |
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how much will resident evil have to rely on the fourth for it's strength? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:41:26 PM | message detail |
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Somewhat. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/17/2006 2:44:06 PM | message detail |
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I think it could still win without Resident Evil 4,
myself. I would be picking Street Fighter to win, admittedly, but RE
wouldn't be out of it. It would become a much more talked about
match-up if RE did lack RE4 though. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Chinballz | Posted 6/17/2006 2:44:47 PM | message detail |
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For my "big" upsets, I'm going with Pokemon over Metroid and Mario Kart
over Mega Man. I decided to overestimate Metroid, and bank on the fact
that the Nintendo boost still exists and will put MK over MM. Also SSB
over Sonic, if you consider that an upset. I'm really thinking of putting Halo over Kingdom Hearts and Silent Hill over Fire Emblem as well. Thoughts on this? --- MK:DS Name & Code (Hungus, 124616-763503) Nominate Jay Solano from Operation Shadow (N-Gage) for SC2K6! |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/17/2006 2:46:43 PM | message detail |
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Also SSB over Sonic, if you consider that an upset. Here? Not by a longshot. It'll probably be a casual upset if it happens. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:46:46 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon over Metroid Ouch. 3 points, that's gotta hurt. >_> --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/17/2006 2:49:28 PM | message detail |
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I must be one of the few with no upsets (at least according to the
BOP). Then again, I filled out my bracket before reading anything on
the board, so it's pretty much how I felt it would all go. Mario Kart/Mega Man is tempting, but I don't see myself changing anything. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/17/2006 2:50:17 PM | message detail |
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Dang. Why do people think Pokémon is so damn popular? It is among those
who play it, sure, but the rest would sooner be caught dead than vote
for it. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/17/2006 2:52:53 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon is the Sailor Moon of video games. The people who have played
it won't admit it and openly hate it, even if they privately like it,
heh. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:54:22 PM | message detail |
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Dang. Why do people think Pokémon is so damn popular? It is among
those who play it, sure, but the rest would sooner be caught dead than
vote for it. I honestly have no idea, I'm surprised it's such a favorite against Star Ocean. I mean, it's somewhat understandable, people might be chilly and they need to get burned, but then taking it over Metroid too? They're just asking for permanent damage. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/17/2006 2:54:29 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I like it and think there is no shame in saying it. Third
generation online Pokémon battling may be the deepest and most
beautiful game ever. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:55:23 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon is the Sailor Moon of video games. The people who have
played it won't admit it and openly hate it, even if they privately
like it, heh. I love R/B/Y, never played a Pokemon game after that though, well aside from Coliseum and Snap, Coliseum sucked, and Snap was entertaining for a couple of hours, but then it was over. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/17/2006 2:55:35 PM | message detail |
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Star Ocean I can sort of understand. I'd pick Xenogears to own it with
ease. But Metroid? Where's the frontal lobe when you need it? --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| transience | Posted 6/17/2006 2:55:45 PM | message detail |
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I've never played a single Pokemon game. beat that! --- xyzzy "I was scared of that match because I thought Magus was over-confiscated for in his match against Crono." -Tai |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/17/2006 2:55:46 PM | message detail |
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I'm rather surprised there isn't more SF/RE discussion. Same here, it's the only match I've changed my mind about. I figure RE4 will tip the edge. That and I don't see SF as a series being much stronger than SF2, which lost. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 6/17/2006 2:57:40 PM | message detail |
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must be one of the few with no upsets (at least according to the
BOP). Then again, I filled out my bracket before reading anything on
the board, so it's pretty much how I felt it would all go. Mario Kart/Mega Man is tempting, but I don't see myself changing anything. So you're playing for fun? If you have no upset picks, you aren't playing to win. You are playing not to lose. |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/17/2006 2:58:25 PM | message detail |
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People always forget that SFF has two steps: 1. The two characters/games in question must have a shared fanbase. 2. Said fanbase consistently prefers one over the other in a manner that greatly skews results from what one would normally expect. So taking that one example with Cloud/Link, sure by definition they have to share a fanbase, with their games being so widely popular. But the key to there being no SFF between them is that one isn't consistently favored over the other. It's the same kind of situation with Snake/Sora, except perhaps the match pic was a catalyst for whatever fanbase they share to favor Snake. Or maybe the results would end up being similar regardless. But as somebody said, the match was an anomaly since Snake certainly isn't as strong as Samus... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| transience | Posted 6/17/2006 2:58:26 PM | message detail |
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if you pick upsets just to deviate from the norm, you've already lost. --- xyzzy "I was scared of that match because I thought Magus was over-confiscated for in his match against Crono." -Tai |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 2:59:17 PM | message detail |
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If you pick upsets to impress tranny and take him to bed with you, you've already won. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/17/2006 3:00:07 PM | message detail |
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Don't take an upset just for the sake of having an upset. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/17/2006 3:00:36 PM | message detail |
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I'M IMPRESSING TRANNY. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/17/2006 3:01:36 PM | message detail |
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I know that. I get yelled at for making the most unoriginal brackets
ever (heck, even now if I had a bracket the only upset I'd have would
be Mario Kart), but when you start picking upsets for the sake of
picking upsets, you have to pick the right ones, else you're doomed. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 6/17/2006 3:02:51 PM | message detail |
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if you pick upsets just to deviate from the norm, you've already lost. You pick upsets because you are confident that they are going to win. Deviating from the norm just comes with the upset pick. If you don't have any upset pick, you've already lost. |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 6/17/2006 3:04:58 PM | message detail |
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I know that. I get yelled at for making the most unoriginal brackets
ever (heck, even now if I had a bracket the only upset I'd have would
be Mario Kart), but when you start picking upsets for the sake of
picking upsets, you have to pick the right ones, else you're doomed. Exactly. You need upset picks to win. That's bracketology 101. At some point, you are going to have to pick an upset. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/17/2006 3:05:08 PM | message detail |
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If you don't have any upset pick, you've already lost. Except that a bunch of people only missed Master Hand > Kuja last spring, on top of thinking Diablo to the Final Four was obvious. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/17/2006 3:08:36 PM | message detail |
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You pick upsets because you are confident that they are going to win. The only upsets that I would have some confidence in are MK > MM and Sonic > SSB, and I already feel confident enough with my current picks. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |