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| HaRRicH | Posted 6/16/2006 1:31:56 AM | message detail |
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... Are you kidding me? You'd have to be crazy to think Sonic 2
didn't receive a good beating of SFF in that match. Have you seen the
games Sonic 2 ends up around? Unless you have a hard time choosing
between Sonic 2 and Mortal Kombat or Final Fantasy Tactics Advance,
then Sonic received some pretty significant SFF. And there's certainly
no way Chrono Trigger even thinks about approaching 75% on it. I'm saying the "SFF" Sonic 2 suffered is being over-rated, yes, though my main point is that C:SotN suffered a good deal more SFF than Sonic 2. You may want to keep in mind that FFTA was also SFF'd, and I bet it could pull out a deceptively-close match against Sonic 2. We'll just call it a bad example though -- I know the point you're making, and I'm saying that Sonic 2 shouldn't be all so much higher than where it's already at. And, uh, I'd like to know how high you think Goldeneye moves up to where SotN likely suffers more SFF than Sonic 2. I'm not sure how much Sonic 2 really got SFF'd, nor do you, and there's really no telling how much SFF GE suffered. However, having seen what Shadow did to Mario and Sonic 2 being either Sonic's #1, #2, or #3 against SMW which is either Mario's #2, #3, or #4...then seeing Goldeneye place at #7 while Halo got #9 (and we know Halo's fanbase is more rabid), C:SotN got #15, PD got #44, and Sonic 2 got #38? Come on -- think what you will, but I stand by my stand that C:SotN suffered much more SFF than Sonic 2 (which I believed before the Top 100 List). Besides, would you have a hard time deciding between C:SotN and Mortal Kombat? people actually think there's a single Sonic game stronger than SOTN? Their loss. Do not reference the Top 100 list. Now tell me where Symphony of the Night has shown to be stronger than every Sonic game. I can't, but I can show you how C:SotN is expected to be (barely) stronger than Sonic 2 in the unadjusted stats. I can explain to you why LoZ:OoT is more capable of SFF'ing Goldeneye than SMW is of SFF'ing Sonic 2, and likewise for SFF'ing harder. I can remind you that the only Mario character/Sonic character match we've seen had Shadow impressing against Mario himself. I can reason with you that Sonic 2 is no less than #3 on the Sonic chain, and I can explain why I feel like it wouldn't be so far behind S&K or SA2B...but, no, I cannot tell you where C:SotN has shown to be stronger than every Sonic game without refering the most recent data we have that dominately states C:SotN > Sonic 2. Besides, didn't we say that games like Symphony of the Night and Earthbound are probably a bit overrated by the top 100 list due to having such hardcore followings? Goldeneye. Halo. Care to give an inequality? FF7 has easily the biggest hardcore following here, too, but it shouldn't be discredited for it because of them. FF7 was never SFF'd, so nobody could ever try to. We know there are a lot of Castlevania fans, and -- while we know that C:SotN is a huge favorite amongst them -- that's not to be mistaken as it only having such hardcore fans. Bionic Commando > both of those by far! Word. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2006 1:40:21 AM | message detail |
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reinforcements! --- xyzzy |
| cyko | Posted 6/16/2006 4:08:28 AM | message detail |
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FFVI > FFVII actually, FFVI is #2 on my favorite games list and FFVII is #4. while both games are masterpieces, the main reason why i like FFVI better is because the materia system pretty much made the characters in FFVII interchangable. only their limits made them any different in battle. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| Starion | Posted 6/16/2006 4:14:41 AM | message detail |
| But couldn't you say the same thing about FFVI as well? You could smooth out each character's stat differences using Esper bonuses and you could make everyone learn the same set of spells. |
| cyko | Posted 6/16/2006 4:23:34 AM | message detail |
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they could learn the same spells, but each person had their own
specific set of skills in addition to a single unique limit break. for
example: only Locke could steal, only Shadow could throw, only Sabin
had the awesome Aura moves,only Celes could absorb magic, etc. that, and in the end you HAD to use at least 12 out of 14 characters in FFVI. it was one of the few RPGs that actually utilized the large cast of characters it gave you. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/16/2006 5:34:07 AM | message detail |
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This poll is pretty interesting. It tells us what the site actually plays now.. but what's the Playstation-era? --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi * Is Dranze * |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/16/2006 5:47:12 AM | message detail |
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^^^ It's pretty much PSOne, Nintendo 64, & Sega Saturn. Games in the 32-64 bit division of the Games Contest. --- Character Noms: Ken, Chun-Li, Kasumi, Morrigan, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| meche313 | Posted 6/16/2006 7:21:23 AM | message detail |
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I answered that I'm playing the old NES ones since the only games I've
been playing in the last weeks are the Board 8 Ladder ones which are
from NES or SNES. --- Then think about Kirby...oh man, Kirby wearing a Teflon plate on his chest would be awesome.--Harrich, expressing the awesomeness of having 50cent in SSBB. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/16/2006 7:23:38 AM | message detail |
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I'm saying the "SFF" Sonic 2 suffered is being over-rated, yes,
though my main point is that C:SotN suffered a good deal more SFF than
Sonic 2. You may want to keep in mind that FFTA was also SFF'd, and I
bet it could pull out a deceptively-close match against Sonic 2. We'll
just call it a bad example though -- I know the point you're making,
and I'm saying that Sonic 2 shouldn't be all so much higher than where
it's already at. The problem is that if you put SotN over 30% you get Goldeneye over SSBM. I don't know about you, but I really don't think GE could beat SSBM, even when not considering any possible SFF. Also, I'm quite confident that SA2 > SotN > S2. Not sure where S3&K would go though. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| voltch | Posted 6/16/2006 7:29:54 AM | message detail |
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how likely is it that the sonic series will be a lot weaker than sonic himself? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| outback | Posted 6/16/2006 7:31:58 AM | message detail |
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16 bits are more than enough for me!! --- Don't quote me. - Blulum øütßá©k |
| Tai | Posted 6/16/2006 7:32:49 AM | message detail |
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What about SBM and Mario? Mario > Sonic. We know that. SSBM might be
stronger than Mario. You have him, every other Nintendo characcter, and
a bag of chips. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/16/2006 7:41:47 AM | message detail |
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XD. Mario's going to SFF SSB into oblivion. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Tai | Posted 6/16/2006 8:03:23 AM | message detail |
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Lol. I know that, Slowflake. I meant that SSB will beat Sonic. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| shadow8021 | Posted 6/16/2006 8:16:48 AM | message detail |
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Here's an interesting question. If CJayC were to run an exact replica
of SpC2K4, which means the exact same bracket, no changes, in 2006,
would any results change? It's likely. --- Series Contest Score: 0/0 Next Pick: The Legend of Zelda |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/16/2006 8:59:10 AM | message detail |
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Yeah, Mario not SFFing SSB would be nothing short of a miracle. Mario
pretty much can SFF any Nintendo title or character not named Zelda. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/16/2006 9:00:38 AM | message detail |
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By the time July 1st comes along, I will have changed my picks in the Mushroom division several times. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 9:33:12 AM | message detail |
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What about SBM and Mario? Mario > Sonic. We know that. SSBM might
be stronger than Mario. You have him, every other Nintendo characcter,
and a bag of chips. People don't like SSBM because it has a lot of characters. They like it because they like SSB. People saying that SSB could be stronger than SMB because it has "more characters" are using the lamest arguments. If SSB was resorted to only using the "Mario" characters (Wario, Yoshi, Toad, Daisy, etc.), the game would still be just as popular. I've said before, Kingdom Hearts 2 has Cloud, Squall, and Auron. Doesn't mean it's going to automatically start to be more popular than FFVII, FFVIII, and FFX... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 10:07:15 AM | message detail |
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I'm saying the "SFF" Sonic 2 suffered is being over-rated, yes,
though my main point is that C:SotN suffered a good deal more SFF than
Sonic 2. You may want to keep in mind that FFTA was also SFF'd, and I
bet it could pull out a deceptively-close match against Sonic 2. We'll
just call it a bad example though -- I know the point you're making,
and I'm saying that Sonic 2 shouldn't be all so much higher than where
it's already at. It isn't being overrated in the slightest. There is no logical reason to assume that Sonic 2 suffered only a couple percentage points of SFF against Super Mario World while Goldeneye was just beaten down to a pulp by Ocarina of Time. It is likely that both suffered SFF, and by more than a couple of percentage points. No one expects Sonic 2 to shoot up to equal Super Mario World in strength, and that the SFF was so large it could have been rSFF. Is is reasonable -- and likely -- that Sonic 2 suffered 7 - 10% SFF against the biggest Mario game of that era? Yes, I think so. Nothing about Sonic 2's performance in that contest showed what it was capable of, at least I have never thought that. I never expected Sonic 2 to be the strongest Sonic game, but it still is not 20% on Final Fantasy VII. That's ridiculous. I can easily see it getting upward to 30% on that beast. As for FFTA/Sonic 2, I think that match would be close, but I think Sonic 2 definitely pulls that one out in the end. The way it is now, FFTA would win with ease. If you honestly think that, you're underestimating Sonic 2 way, way, way too much. Come on -- think what you will, but I stand by my stand that C:SotN suffered much more SFF than Sonic 2 (which I believed before the Top 100 List). And I have no reason to believe that is the case at all. Where in the world do you think Symphony of the Night and Goldeneye end up? Goldeneye doesn't beat Halo, not even close. I'm sure you want to move it up that high too. There is no reason for me to believe that Symphony of the Night suffered such absurd amounts of SFF when it is based entirely off of a list that undoubtedly favors games like Symphony of the Night. I'm not even getting SotN near that 30% mark because there are no games around that area I think SotN could beat. You can stand by it all you want to, but I'm not all seeing how or why you think that outside of the damn list, which is nothing to put any trust in. Besides, would you have a hard time deciding between C:SotN and Mortal Kombat? I think SotN in the 25 - 27% range in the extrapolated stats. That is safely above the likes of Mortal Kombat. But, what I find funny, is that you think Castlevania would put up a fight against Sonic, both as a series. You're arguing Castlevania's top game against Sonic's third -- and they'd end up about equal at best. I can't, but I can show you how C:SotN is expected to be (barely) stronger than Sonic 2 in the unadjusted stats. Yeah. A whole .12%. What's up, Tidus/Shadow stats! I can explain to you why LoZ:OoT is more capable of SFF'ing Goldeneye than SMW is of SFF'ing Sonic 2, and likewise for SFF'ing harder. Yeah. Because Goldeneye is going to get slaughtered so much that it was really a top 10 game in the stats! And Metal Gear Solid suffered enough SFF to beat Final fantasy VI! Yes, there was SFF between Ocarina of time and Goldeneye, but I do not believe for a second it was anywhere near as significant as you like to believe. The entire reasoning has almost entirely been because of that completely irrelevant Top 100 list. The best argument for more SFF is the fact that they're on the same system and were both popular games on a system lacking in any type of library. SMW and Sonic 2, while not on the same system, undoubtedly have a shared fanbase and were both very popular during that particular time. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 10:07:24 AM | message detail |
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I can remind you that the only Mario character/Sonic character match we've seen had Shadow impressing against Mario himself. I can't find much of a reason to ever bring up the character contests. Shadow is a very popular character who gets the bulk of his popularity from Sonic Adventure 2, which I think would likely be the strongest Sonic game. The fact that there was no SFF in that match does not even begin to say that Sonic 2 and Super Mario World had little to none. The biggest instances of SFF seem most reasonable to believe when they were within the same generation. I can reason with you that Sonic 2 is no less than #3 on the Sonic chain, and I can explain why I feel like it wouldn't be so far behind S&K or SA2B... I don't see how Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic Adventure 2 are only barely ahead of Sonic 2, especially when you have this ridiculous idea floating around in your head that Sonic 2's placement is more correct than incorrect. There is little to support Sonic 2 being barely behind those two, especially after Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Mega Collection. SA2 has had the most opportunity to really jump forward and S&K is already ahead of the other two and has the same reason to increase as Sonic 2 might. There are plenty of people out there who do not like Sonic 2 and love the other games. I cannot see either of those being only a little ahead. but, no, I cannot tell you where C:SotN has shown to be stronger than every Sonic game without refering the most recent data we have that dominately states C:SotN > Sonic 2. So just the list? That's about the only thing that even brings you close to that conclusion, and that 'evidence' is nothing I even think about considering. It is filled with too many inaccuracies to even bother. It's an interesting look at, but is not convincing me of anything. Goldeneye. Halo. Care to give an inequality? Halo > Goldeneye. Definitely. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 6/16/2006 10:58:57 AM | message detail |
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Goldeneye beats Halo with 52% in a GameFAQs Contest. If the '04 bracket was exactly repeated this Fall, you say? Let's see here. - Pokemon/Xenogears goes down to the final minutes - Since no poll glitch erases the Day Vote, PD keeps it close with SOTN - Halo survives SC - the other SC is nowhere near KH - Mario World gives CT a scare with a massive Day Vote swing - LttP runs away from FF6 - CT leads LttP for only the first three hours of the poll - Mario 3/LttP is epic; Zelda advances in a photo finish - FF7 wins by about the same number - KH gets by Halo without too much trouble - Prime keeps it close to Wind Waker - KH/Wind Waker is a new epic, but Zelda advances - Melee pounds FFX worse than last time, without a "biased match pic" - Melee SFFs Wind Waker for a comfortable win - Melee improves a little on FF7; LttP does just a tick worse than OoT against FF7 --- "lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2006 11:46:59 AM | message detail |
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actually, FFVI is #2 on my favorite games list and FFVII is #4.
while both games are masterpieces, the main reason why i like FFVI
better is because the materia system pretty much made the characters in
FFVII interchangable. only their limits made them any different in
battle. oh no you di-int! FF6 characters are no better, and I might actually say that they're worse since you permanently learn the spells via espers instead of equipping spells. being forced to use 12 characters at the end sucks as well, since you were probably only using 4 or 5 throughout the World of Ruin. --- xyzzy |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/16/2006 12:10:15 PM | message detail |
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HM, I'm really not understanding your insistence that Sonic 2 was SFF'd
more than Goldeneye. Sure, SMW and S2 were big games at around the same
time...but they were on separate consoles! And back then, there were
far fewer multi-console owner than there are today. The argument for
SFF in S2/SMW can be just as easily applied to SSBM/MGS2 or
Goldeneye/SotN, and nobody's claiming there was any SFF there. SFF in OoT/GE was likely large indeed because there were three N64 games that practically everyone owned: Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, and OoT. Everyone loved them too, as you can see by their incredible strength on that Top 10 site. I don't see why the overlap would be any smaller than the overlap in LttP/Super Metroid, or LoZ1/Tetris (if you think there was SFF there). Finally, how would you relate the three strongest Sonic games in strength? Personally, I'd put S2 at 27%, S3&K at 30%, and SA2 at 34%, giving SA2 a cool 60/40 on S2, which seems pretty reasonable considering their relative popularities. It also gives S2 a close match with SMRPG, and SA2 a close match with SMW, both of which are also reasonable, IMO. oh no you di-int! FF6 characters are no better, and I might actually say that they're worse since you permanently learn the spells via espers instead of equipping spells. being forced to use 12 characters at the end sucks as well, since you were probably only using 4 or 5 throughout the World of Ruin. Permanent learning makes them a lot more unique. With Materia, you can just change a character's specialty at any time, but with permanent learning you actually have to plan out your way to the game. Materia is certainly simpler, but I like my games to have a little complexity. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/16/2006 12:15:18 PM | message detail |
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I actually very much prefer materia to espers. Having most of your characters be Ultima flingers... meh. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2006 12:21:51 PM | message detail |
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yeah, FF6 ends up being four of the same characters at the end. I
prefer completely unique characters (FF4, FF9) to having a bunch of
characters that can all do the exact same thing. (yet another reason
why the first half of FF6 > the second half) 'course, I don't think FF6 or FF7 are close to the best game ever either. good, but not great. --- xyzzy |
| shadow8021 | Posted 6/16/2006 12:36:54 PM | message detail |
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Finally, someone responds! - Pokemon/Xenogears goes down to the final minutes Maybe. I think Pokemon hatred has probably died down a bit with the nintendo increase, and Xenogears could be getting weaker as time goes by. - Since no poll glitch erases the Day Vote, PD keeps it close with SOTN The poll glitch didn't really erase the day vote, it still counted the votes, but it just didn't update for about 8 hours. The day vote could've been stronger though, especially since Perfect Dark could have new fans because of Perfect Dark: Zero. - Halo survives SC Possibly. It will still be close, no doubt, but CJay will be sure to keep a close eye on Starcraft this time around, after the cheating that ensued in its match with SSBM. - the other SC is nowhere near KH I wouldn't doubt Soul Calibur that much, but KH would definitely do much better. - Mario World gives CT a scare with a massive Day Vote swing Likely to happen if CT has fallen off a bit. This site may be becoming pro-nintendo, but I still would be careful about doubting CT's lastability. - LttP runs away from FF6 I think LttP would only do slightly better actually, not a whole lot better. - CT leads LttP for only the first three hours of the poll This would be another dogfight, but remember that CT finished one spot above LttP in the Top 10 contest in November, so this match is quite literally a tossup. - Mario 3/LttP is epic; Zelda advances in a photo finish That's if LttP advances to face SMB3, but I agree, it would be a good match, but maybe not a photo finish. - FF7 wins by about the same number Pretty much. FF7 would maybe have a little more trouble with OoT, but it would still win without much trouble. - KH gets by Halo without too much trouble I have Halo beating KH in the series contest, and I won't change my opinions here. - Prime keeps it close to Wind Waker I don't know. SFF seems to hate Metroid in these situations, and WW is a Zelda game, but possibly. - KH/Wind Waker is a new epic, but Zelda advances That's once again an if, but I agree with the Zelda advancing part. - Melee pounds FFX worse than last time, without a "biased match pic" True. - Melee SFFs Wind Waker for a comfortable win True, although the opposite could just as easily happen. - Melee improves a little on FF7; LttP does just a tick worse than OoT against FF7 Both true. --- Series Contest Score: 0/0 Next Pick: The Legend of Zelda |
| Kaxon | Posted 6/16/2006 2:36:34 PM | message detail |
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Well, imagine our 2003-04 selves reading what we're talking about now. "WHOA! Is Soul Calibur really gonna get 49% on KH?" I would mostly be surprised about Kingdom Hearts doing that well - my bracket had Soul Calibur beating Starcraft in the second round (before losing to Metroid Prime). --- Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 |
| Ngamer64 | Posted 6/16/2006 3:24:09 PM | message detail |
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Wind Waker may be Zelda, but I have a serious problem with imagining it
SFFing anything of real strength from Nintendo. After seeing what
happened to the other Metroids vs how well Prime was able to hang in
there with it, it seems pretty clear to me that a big title like Melee
wouldn't have much trouble swinging the Nintendo votes to its side. To be fair, though, I thought differently back in '04, predicting a Wind Waker victory in D128. --- "lol x-stats" - The Contest Simulator: http://thengamer.com/xstats Ngamer's Contest Archives: http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ |
| shadow8021 | Posted 6/16/2006 4:05:26 PM | message detail |
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HOTT NEW ARTWORK! lol --- Series Contest Score: 0/0 Next Pick: The Legend of Zelda |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 4:21:39 PM | message detail |
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HM, I'm really not understanding your insistence that Sonic 2 was
SFF'd more than Goldeneye. Sure, SMW and S2 were big games at around
the same time...but they were on separate consoles! And back then,
there were far fewer multi-console owner than there are today. The
argument for SFF in S2/SMW can be just as easily applied to SSBM/MGS2
or Goldeneye/SotN, and nobody's claiming there was any SFF there. If you don't think there is a difference between Sonic 2 and Super Mario World and Super Smash Bros. and Metal Gear Solid 2, then I don't know what to tell you. The games have nothing at all in common except that they are popular. This is not the case for Sonic 2 and Super Mario World. I don't know how one could deny that Sonic and Mario have a number of connections with each other dating back into the early 90s. There was a rivalry between the two companies and more or less their mascots (Sonic and Mario). Fast forward many years later and Sonic is appearing on all different kinds of platforms, Nintendo included. I have no idea why people wouldn't think there would be SFF in a match like that. They are both platformers, Mario/Sonic match-ups are definitely candidates to receive SFF, and both are definitely popular games. The problem is that Sonic 2 is below games like Mortal Kombat and Doom -- two games that Sonic 2 wouldn't have trouble beating. It isn't like I don't expect there to be SFF in Goldeneye/OoT to bring Symphony of the Night up. Where I differ is believing it was anywhere near as substanial as Harrich wants to think. Anyone thinking Goldeneye is beating Halo better think again. If you think Goldeneye beats all the games leading up to Halo, then you have a screw loose somewhere in the head or are making sweet, sweet love to the Top 100 list. I expected SotN to come in around 25 - 26%, and that would put Goldeneye right around 30%, which is fine for me. I wouldn't take Goldeneye over MGS2, so it works out. And the SNES and Genesis were practically even for America in units sold (the Genesis would always beat the SNES in yearly sales). I can't speak from any type of experience back then, as I certainly never bothered to keep up with what was happening in the industry in the early 90s, but it isn't odd for people to own both a SNES and a Genesis. And hell, at this point, you are likely to have plenty of people that have played both games, whether it is through emulation or re-released collections. Finally, how would you relate the three strongest Sonic games in strength? I expected Sonic 2 to come in around 27 - 28%. I'm not calling for it to equal Super Mario World or anything. S3&K I would probably put around 32 - 33% and Sonic Adventure 2 around 34 - 35%. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 4:27:17 PM | message detail |
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Here's an interesting question. If CJayC were to run an exact
replica of SpC2K4, which means the exact same bracket, no changes, in
2006, would any results change? It's likely. StarCraft's run would only last a round at the most and Final Fantasy X would win Division 128. Probably the biggest differences I think would occur if he ran that same bracket again. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 4:36:08 PM | message detail |
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I expected Sonic 2 to come in around 27 - 28%. I'm not calling for
it to equal Super Mario World or anything. S3&K I would probably
put around 32 - 33% and Sonic Adventure 2 around 34 - 35%. I agree that Sonic 2 got SFF'd by SMW, but I don't think the disparity between the Sonic games is that big. 34-35% for SA2 would mean that it is a candidate to win the 128-division. Sonic Adventure 2 is popular and all, but I definitely wouldn't consider it one of the most popular games of this generation, which is what 34-35% puts it. I also can't say that S3&K was genuinely a more popular game than Super Mario RPG. I certainly wouldn't put it up near Super Mario World's popularity. I think 30% is probably the highest I would put any Sonic game. I certainly don't feel that any of his games approaches the level of a Metal Gear Solid game in popularity... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/16/2006 4:42:04 PM | message detail |
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35% is a big, big number. there is no way I'd pick it over FFX or SSBM.. though you can take it if you want, of course. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 4:56:25 PM | message detail |
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I agree that Sonic 2 got SFF'd by SMW, but I don't think the
disparity between the Sonic games is that big. 34-35% for SA2 would
mean that it is a candidate to win the 128-division. I think there is a definite difference between Sonic 2 and S&K and SA2. I cannot possibly imagine the strongest Sonic game being so close that the difference is negligible. It should be clear to everyone that S&K, at the least, is quite a bit more popular and more liked than Sonic 2. Sonic Adventure 2 is popular and all, but I definitely wouldn't consider it one of the most popular games of this generation, which is what 34-35% puts it. I also can't say that S3&K was genuinely a more popular game than Super Mario RPG. Sonic Adventure 2 certainly has the potential to be that high. It is an incredibly popular game and definitely one of the biggest GCN games. I think it would have some really close matches with all of the games around that area. Really? I would probably take Sonic 2 over Super Mario RPG, though it would be quite a decision there, and I wouldn't have a lot of trouble taking S&K over it. It was certainly a more popular game. I dunno how you could think it wasn't. S&K was a huge game and while SMRPG was popular, it certainly has never been a more popular game at all. I certainly wouldn't put it up near Super Mario World's popularity. I think 30% is probably the highest I would put any Sonic game. I certainly don't feel that any of his games approaches the level of a Metal Gear Solid game in popularity... That's it?! I think Sonic 2 alone starts pushing 30% levels. Nothing leads me to believe that Sonic games cannot compete with the likes of Metal Gear Solid or any other game around that area. I'm not sure why people insist on underestimating the games, but they're not unpopular or unable to hold their own against games like Metal Gear Solid or Metroid Prime. 35% is a big, big number. there is no way I'd pick it over FFX or SSBM.. though you can take it if you want, of course. ... Where did I say I would pick it over SSBM or FFX? Those two are basically at 37%. That is at least a 2% difference between them in the stats, even being 3% with the lowest (probably most likely) place for SA2. I wouldn't dare take it over SSBM or FFX, which is exactly why I gave it that percentage. It turns into a 54 - 55% match in favor of both of them, so I don't really see the problem there. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:00:01 PM | message detail |
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I noticed that this argument has strayed far away from what the
original point was, which was something about how Castlevania couldn't
and wouldn't give Sonic any trouble ... or something. << --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/16/2006 5:04:08 PM | message detail |
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*glances at topic* *sees people discussing lists from other sites as if they bear any relevance* *leaves* I also laugh at anyone who think that SSBM wouldn't kill Wind Waker in a poll. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:05:01 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse_small.jpg Check that out!! --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 5:08:18 PM | message detail |
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Really? I would probably take Sonic 2 over Super Mario RPG, though
it would be quite a decision there, and I wouldn't have a lot of
trouble taking S&K over it. It was certainly a more popular game. I
dunno how you could think it wasn't. S&K was a huge game and while
SMRPG was popular, it certainly has never been a more popular game at
all. It was more popular than Super Mario RPG, but that certainly doesn't mean it would match SMRPG in contest strength right now. Don't forget that there was a whole generation in the 32-64 bit era that went without a decent Sonic game. There was quite a bit of popularity lost from Sonic. Sure Sonic Adventure 2 is one of the best selling and most popular Gamecube games, but it doesn't approach the popularity of the main Nintendo games on the Cube, and it definitely doesn't on this site. I certainly wouldn't take Sonic Adventure 2 to beat Metroid Prime on this site. Didn't Metroid Prime win GotY? Put Sonic Adventure 2 Battle in that poll and I guarantee that it wouldn't win like Metroid Prime did. Sonic games nowadays simply aren't as popular as your average Nintendo game. So no matter how popular Sonic was during the Genesis days, it doesn't exactly hold up today. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/16/2006 5:08:56 PM | message detail |
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No FF characters on the banner? RUH ROH!! --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 5:15:38 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1128 Oh wait. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle was in that Gamecube GotY poll. So much for people holding it as one of the most popular Gamecube games. At least Super Mario Sunshine got some support. But yeah, Metroid Prime absolutely killed that poll. After seeing that, I definitely wouldn't take Sonic Adventure 2 Battle in a direct matchup with Metroid Prime, especially with the way Samus beat down Sonic in 2k4. I know that poll doesn't mean everything, but still. Yeah, I really don't see SA2 at 34-35%... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| smitelf | Posted 6/16/2006 5:16:25 PM | message detail |
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*glances at topic* *sees people discussing lists from other sites as if they bear any relevance* *leaves* Yeah, the recent arguments in here are quite abstract. And here I was hoping for some fun discussion. *leaves, disappointed* --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:16:27 PM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:17:51 PM | message detail |
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I'm really glad he ditched the idea of including every game from big to insignificant for Game of the Year polls these days. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 5:18:04 PM | message detail |
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No FF characters on the banner? Isn't that Vincent on the far right? --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:19:31 PM | message detail |
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That's Raiden from the MGS4 trailer. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/16/2006 5:21:08 PM | message detail |
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From Master Moltar Posted 6/16/2006 8:08:56 PM #389 No FF characters on the banner? RUH ROH!! Sephiroth wasn't on the banner last spring. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/16/2006 5:22:23 PM | message detail |
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Oh please. S&K would not have any trouble with SMRPG in a
contest right now. Sonic may not be at his peak -- and neither is a
character like Mario either -- anymore, but that doesn't mean people
have just shrugged him off as not mattering. Sonic games sell extremely
well in this day and age, even after missing a "generation." It's
foolish to tell me that S&K somehow isn't as popular now and has
fallen enough to be on par with SMRPG. That's crazy. Get all dramatic with the italics and the "oh please" if you want! There's nothing I've seen that shows that SMRPG isn't more popular than any Genesis Sonic game right now. You're talking like S&K would win without any trouble at all, and I think that's crazy. Sure Sonic games sell well today, but plenty of games sell well today. Sonic certainly isn't held as high as a gaming series at it used to be. You can quote me on that one. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Lopen | Posted 6/16/2006 5:31:20 PM | message detail |
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I doubt any old school Sonic title could come close to 30%. Why? Simple, they're exclusive to the Sega Genesis. You can deny it all you like, but the Sega Genesis was not nearly as popular as the Super Nintendo. I doubt Sonic 2 is much higher than it appears. I would really struggle picking it over Street Fighter 2, and I wouldn't think of picking it over Super Mario RPG. Sonic 2 was more popular with respect to its system, but it's system is at a pretty big disadvantage I think. As for why S&K isn't undoubtedly more popular? I have a theory on that... is it possible that people just started to give up on the Sega Genesis before S&K came out? I know where I lived many people sold their Segas after a while. Moreso than sold their SNESs. I'm not sold on SA2 being anything, either. There was little hype behind it. No abundance of rave reviews that I can think of. Hell, I didn't even know it was released for the Gamecube until a few months after it was released. It just didn't scream "groundbreaker" like the other higher up games do. And I'd put my money on both of the old Sonic games outdoing it despite their "system disadvantage" I was talking about. I'm sorry if that was a bit too much Sega Belittlement in one post. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/16/2006 5:32:20 PM | message detail |
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You can deny it all you like, but the Sega Genesis was not nearly as popular as the Super Nintendo. That's why it sold more in the States than the SNES. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/16/2006 5:32:22 PM | message detail |
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God damn, I'm so behind in this topic. Hope it hits 500 fast. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |