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| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:31:52 PM | message detail |
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Here's Game Informer's Top 100 (from 2001), sadly starting with Number
One (couldn't find an actual countdown). Again, I'm aware of the
different user bases and all, but this is just for fun. Plus, the list
is really... different in a lot of ways. http://www.angelfire.com/co4/colin_gaea/gi100.htm --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 9:32:56 PM | message detail |
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The Sonic and Megaman characters are probably a lot more popular than
their games, that much we can duh. So is Samus, but at least she has
the SSB argument. So what do these two have? No idea at all. Maybe it's
the whole 16-bit rivalry that's marked everyone in Sonic's case, and
the sheer number of Megaman games out there...? Anyway, personally, I regard Mario games as being better than Sonic games, but I prefer Sonic the character to Mario the character. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:33:56 PM | message detail |
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91 Mario's Picross What the...? But still, that list is chock full of old, old games. Heh, FFT is the only Final Fantasy to make the list. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:34:27 PM | message detail |
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they had one recently for their 200th issue, no? Metroid outranked
Super Metroid. yay, old games = better games! a lot of gaming magazines
give love to games like Mario 1 because they were "revolutionary"
without actually taking into account how good they are today. I've got
no problem with Mario 1 and Zelda 1 is my favourite Zelda, but I'm
probably among the exceptions. --- xyzzy |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:35:12 PM | message detail |
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you seem to have missed the top ten, Leon. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:35:45 PM | message detail |
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Nah, I read the whole list. That just seems to be a really odd game to be on a list. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:36:11 PM | message detail |
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But still, that list is chock full of old, old games. Heh, FFT is the only Final Fantasy to make the list. Uhhh... 7 Final Fantasy III (VI) 10 Final Fantasy VII 40 Final Fantasy II (IV) 43 Final Fantasy IX 45 Final Fantasy Tactics >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:36:31 PM | message detail |
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Oh right, FFVI and FFVII were in the top 10. For some reason, I forgot about that. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:36:31 PM | message detail |
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heh, well: 52 Lode Runner 70 Zork = happy transience! --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:36:49 PM | message detail |
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they had one recently for their 200th issue, no? Woah, really? I'll be pissed if I missed it - I still have GI's actual 100th issue. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/15/2006 9:37:05 PM | message detail |
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"So what do these two have?" TOO MANY games. Especially MM. Quite frankly they both have so many titles in their library that most fans of either one haven't even played half of the games in their respective series'. Hell, look at the bracket... we have two entirely seperate entries for Mega Man. That's how split up his series' are. In turn, Sonic can be split between 2d and 3d fairly easily as well. Half the site's population wasn't even alive when the best Sonic games were being made (okay, it's probably less than half, but a lot of those weren't old enough to actually play games)! --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:38:05 PM | message detail |
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huh, look what I just found: http://www.filibustercartoons.com/games.htm it's even got ours. --- xyzzy |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 9:38:20 PM | message detail |
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6 above 7, huh? Personally, from what little I've played of FF7 I'd
have to disagree. And mind you, I was hugely skeptic when I started
just because of the sheer amount of bashing this game gets. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:39:33 PM | message detail |
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Heh, I've seen that site. Lost the link, though. Awesome! Looking at all those crap lists (including ours) makes me appreciate lists with actual diversity, like IGN's and GI's. Not to say that the games are necessarily of higher quality, but they're certainly more entertaining to read. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:39:45 PM | message detail |
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Heh, that Nintendo Power 2006 list is interesting. Holy Mario and Zelda! With Resident Evil 4 at #2, heh. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 9:39:51 PM | message detail |
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From transience | Posted 6/16/2006 12:38:05 AM | #312 huh, look what I just found: http://www.filibustercartoons.com/games.htm it's even got ours. Halo 2 at 9th? Tsk tsk tsk. It was 85th, and it got owned by ToS. Most hilarious moment of any GameFAQs contest ever. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:39:59 PM | message detail |
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heh, from the bottom: Other thoughts: - Sonic the Hedgehog is not popular. In fact, Sega in general has not left much of a legacy, with no Genesis games making anyone's lists. --- xyzzy |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/15/2006 9:40:14 PM | message detail |
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Heh... I remmeber the days when I mindlessly hated on FF7... Nine yaers
ago. Then I finally got to playing it and realized I was right when I
said "It's not like it's going to be as good as FF6"... 'cause it was
better. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:40:33 PM | message detail |
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- The most popular video game character of all time is clearly Link, closely followed by Mario. Somebody call Planet Gamecube! --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:42:51 PM | message detail |
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Halo 1, Halo 2, same thing! I prefer FF7 to FF6.. not by a lot though. they're both good games. --- xyzzy |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 9:43:56 PM | message detail |
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Yep, yep. Those people either bash it because they want to be in the
cool crowd, or because they wouldn't know a great game if it stabbed
them in the nuts, bit their ears off and ate the flesh of their
first-born. That being said, I'm not terribly impressed by the cast compared to FF6 so far. --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:44:03 PM | message detail |
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GameSpot.com (2001) Rank Title Publisher Year 1 Final Fantasy VII Squaresoft 1997 2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1996 3 Resident Evil Capcom 1996 4 Virtua Racing Sega 1992 5 Street Fighter II Capcom 1991 6 Dragon Warrior Enix 1986 7 Tetris Alexey Pajitnov 1987 8 Legend of Zelda Nintendo 1986 9 Double Dragon Taito 1987 10 Commando Capcom 1985 Note: List was formally "most influencial" games of all time. ...Then this list really sucks. Also, it's very, very interesting to see how much love SFII gets in these lists. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/15/2006 9:48:02 PM | message detail |
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Also, it's very, very interesting to see how much love SFII gets in these lists. Indeed, on just as many lists as the two big Zelda games no less! --- Character Noms: Ken, Chun-Li, Kasumi, Morrigan, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/15/2006 9:49:58 PM | message detail |
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In all fairness, wasn't EGM's last list a "most influential" list? --- "What's wrong with boot blacking? I like it very much." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:50:36 PM | message detail |
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10 Commando Capcom 1985 ...huh? Unless this is some "cult classic," it's tough to imagine it being of the same "influential" caliber (or caliBUR lol) as some of the others on that list. Dunno anything about it, though. Also, it's very, very interesting to see how much love SFII gets in these lists. Yeah, I've noticed that as well. Soul Calibur also shows up on a lot of modern lists; I think the Wikipedia article on critically acclaimed games states that the most frequent games near the top of such lists are Ocarina of Time and the DC version of Soul Calibur. But yeah, SF2 definitely shows up on a lot of lists. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 9:51:05 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man and Sonic are likely to be significantly popular than any
single entry in their series. That does not necessarily mean the
quality of the games are not high enough, but that there's just such a
split among the fanbase as to which is better. Mega Man and Sonic
represent, more or less, their entire series of games, so it is easy to
see why one single game would not be near the popularity of the
character. On the other hand, if you combine the entire series into one entity (similar to how Mega Man and Sonic, the characters, are), then you have something that is likely going to be a beast in popularity. You break down that wall separating the fanbase on which is the best game in the series. I think this is why Sonic and Mega Man (series) will both turn out to be far more popular than some people are giving credit. Some people here seem to be thinking along the lines of one single game in those series and judging it that way. But I think an entire series is about as close to a character as you can get. Mega Man (character) really does not have a personality that makes him separate from his games like Sonic might be. He pretty much is his games, or at least that is how I have always viewed it (notable, however, is that X is a great character by his lonesome, so you know <<). I think any series with a game that is significantly more popular than the second entry (Castlevania) and that single entry isn't that strong to begin with, then combining them together isn't going to create a beast in strength. Rather, it is likely going to only create something a little more popular than its strongest game. Then you have cases like Super Smash Bros. that rely pretty much on only one game to push their series along in popularity. There is my little ramble about the whole Mega Man/Sonic mess. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/15/2006 9:51:51 PM | message detail |
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I'm in Chicago right now visiting my brother, so no more keeping up
with this topic post for post. I'll touch on that Fact or Fiction
though. FACT: SMB will break 40% on Final Fantasy. No question about that. Final Fantasy is popular, but it isn't invincible. And there is a strong Nintendo base on this site still that will support theirs. SSB got 37% on FFVII. The Nintendo presence has grown since then, and SMB is stronger than SSB. I'd say it gets 43-45%. FACT: Grand Theft Auto (or Warcraft, if you insist) will break 40% on SMB. That's another no-brainer for me. I already think that GTA will be the 4th strongest series in the stats. And it's not like the GTA fanbase will suddenly disappear. GTA probably will be at its strongest against SMB, as it has less overlap with the Nintendo fanbase than it does with a FF or MGS. GTA:Vice City got what, 46% on SSBM? Since then GTA:SA has proven to be the biggest and most popular game in the series. And with GTA:LCS there to provide a slight boost in the GTA fanbase, GTA will get at least 40% on SMB. I say 42-43% myself. It has its fans... FACT: Mega Man X will end up ranking below Mega Man in the unadjusted stats. Due to going up against the Zelda monster. There will probably be SFF. I don't think Mega Man fans are that hardcore over the games. A good deal probably like Zelda more. Classic Mega Man would suffer the same fate in this situation. FACT: Soul Calibur will rank ahead of Street Fighter in the unadjusted stats. Again, bracket placement. I don't think Soul Calibur is stronger. But Street Fighter will be behind FF/RE. FICTION: The closest Round One match will be Halo/Castlevania. Mario Kart/MM, Pokemon/SO, FE/SH might all be toss-ups. I feel fairly safe on Halo distancing itself from Castlevania. FACT: If Halo and Kingdom Hearts switched spots, nobody would assume Castlevania would have a chance against Kingdom Hearts. FACT: Diablo would beat Warcraft in a one-on-one match. FICTION: The highest-ranked Capcom franchise in the contest will be Resident Evil. FICTION: Final Fantasy/Legend of Zelda will not be as close as FF7/OoT. It will be closer. The site has become significantly more Nintendo since Spring 2k4. FFVII/OoT would probably be closer itself. I think FF/LoZ will end up looking like Link/Cloud, except FF being on top. FICTION: Half-Life would beat Mega Man X. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/15/2006 9:53:15 PM | message detail |
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In all fairness, wasn't EGM's last list a "most influential" list? I though it was a general list from the writers/staff, but my memory's fuzzy. --- Character Noms: Ken, Chun-Li, Kasumi, Morrigan, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 9:53:46 PM | message detail |
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Commando was an awesome game! I played that game nearly as much as Mega Man and Super Mario Bros. back in the day. http://www.videogamesandsuch.com/catalog/images/commando_nes.JPG <3 --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:54:58 PM | message detail |
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Commando sucked! so did Ikari Warriors! --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 9:55:24 PM | message detail |
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You are a liar! --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 9:55:37 PM | message detail |
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Bionic Commando > both of those by far! --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 9:56:04 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man Soccer was also the best Mega Man game! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/15/2006 9:56:35 PM | message detail |
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and why does a Gamecube port mean instant strength? I don't think
the DC is as obscure a system as people are making it out to be. Soul
Calibur did get 49% on KH, after all. ... Does no-one read my posts? SA2 sold four times as well on the GCN as it did on the DC. Obviously, that's an absolutely enormous difference. And with regard to lists: we all know FFVI would be above of FFVII on all of them if FFVII hadn't sold 12 times as many copies as FFVI did. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 9:57:44 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man Soccer was also the best Mega Man game! HELLLLL YEAH! Why it wasn't on that damn Collection, I have no idea! --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 9:57:50 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man Soccer was amazing (MMX > MMS though!!). My cousin and I used to play that game all the time. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 9:59:14 PM | message detail |
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12 times? Is that a real figure? --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| MnMZero | Posted 6/15/2006 10:01:58 PM | message detail |
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and why does a Gamecube port mean instant strength? I don't think
the DC is as obscure a system as people are making it out to be. Soul
Calibur did get 49% on KH, after all. Soul Calibur II was out already by Spring 2k4. It was a multi-platform hit popular on all of the consoles, especially with the exclusive characters. I highly doubt that Soul Calibur did that on the merits of the Dreamcast game. It simply got franchise support from fans of the second game as well. Don't forget Link's presence in the game. I'm sure that won many a vote from Nintendo fans... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Zero in SC2k5 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 10:03:03 PM | message detail |
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It's closer to three times. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 10:03:24 PM | message detail |
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12 times? Is that a real figure? Well, Final Fantasy VII's worldwide figures approach 10 million, but I don't know exactly what FFVI's are. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/15/2006 10:03:42 PM | message detail |
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triple the sales, and you triple the strength! right????? --- xyzzy |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/15/2006 10:04:31 PM | message detail |
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I was just thinking of something. Sometimes we go back and read what we
wrote in 2003, right? (I still remember that write-up about how Auron
was going to kill Tails... my first long write-up ever.) Well, imagine
our 2003-04 selves reading what we're talking about now. "WHOA! Is Soul Calibur really gonna get 49% on KH?" --- Got a craving while you're watching training holos on your rest cycle? Try new PHAZONETS - a mouthful of mutation in every morsel! |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/15/2006 10:05:00 PM | message detail |
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With regard to Soul Calibur and SA2...SC was far more popular on the DC
because it was a launch game. SA2 suffered a huge decline in sales from
SA1 because it came out near the end of the DC's life, just like FFIX
did compared to FFVII. 12 times? Is that a real figure? Actually, I was using the European data, so no. It's more like five times, in America. Damned columns... --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/15/2006 10:09:17 PM | message detail |
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triple the sales, and you triple the strength! right????? Obviously you can't assume absolute transitivity. FFVI gets 40% on FFVII despite its relatively poor sales. But you can't deny that sales are important factors in popularity. The best example that translates fairly well between reality and GameFAQs is probably FFIX. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/15/2006 10:16:41 PM | message detail |
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I AM FURIOUS CHRONO TRIGGER ISN'T IN THERE CHRONO TRIGGER ROCKS --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/15/2006 10:35:41 PM | message detail |
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Well it does! --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 6/15/2006 11:01:04 PM | message detail |
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I don't really have anything significant to say, but I felt required to post out of a sense of...civic duty. I guess I feel that everything that needs to be said about this bracket has been said....in the month(s) we were waiting for it. It's sort of like, here are the six or so tough matches, pick your winner, the end. Also, either side of any of the arguments I guess get predictable (though admittedly I haven't read many of them), for example: megaman could be strong cause he's megaman, megaman could be weak cause it's just his series, people care about the character it's just mario kart, it's a best selling game on the n64, but it's classic megaman! everyone love's him, his strength's got to come from somewhere. I suppose I just want the contest to start. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/15/2006 11:05:31 PM | message detail |
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Indeed. I didn't want a prediction period this long, especially after nominations lasted a month themselves. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/16/2006 12:04:34 AM | message detail |
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Heh, I don't think I can answer the Poll of the Day. Also note that I
am offended by the choice of wording with "Playstation-era," which I'm
assuming includes N64. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/16/2006 12:08:53 AM | message detail |
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I don't even know how to answer that... my last few games played have been FF1, Xenosaga and Super Metroid. --- xyzzy |