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| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/15/2006 5:46:06 PM | message detail |
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Do not reference the Top 100 list. Now tell me where Symphony of the Night has shown to be stronger than every Sonic game. Well, it outperformed the only Sonic game popular enough to make Sp2K4. I agree with you, just playing the Devil's Advocate. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:46:10 PM | message detail |
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... Uh, yeah. I think it's funny that people think the opposite. I almost wish we never got that Top 100 list. People use that thing way too much. Sheesh. I agree completely, there's nothing more I hate than top 100 arguments, which I've stressed many times by now, so it's not just against whoever is using it now for Castlevania, whether or not it favors what I'm going with, I hate it. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 5:47:20 PM | message detail |
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it seems pretty obvious to me that Goldeneye and OOT are a lot closer
than Sonic 2 and Mario World. same console, same company - two things
Sonic 2 and Mario World don't have at all. --- xyzzy |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:48:15 PM | message detail |
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EC, we alrady know that Prince of Persia would beat Final Fantasy with 80% if it had made the contest. Oh alright, as long as everyone is in agreeance. lol agreeance --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 5:49:28 PM | message detail |
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I'd say it's probably a pretty good guide actually. For example, it
shows that SC's "rally" was probably less significant than we thought,
and rallies only work on games with enough strength to win anyway. I actually wouldn't say it's a good guide at all. It matches up with some things and will be completely off base with others. It is completely inconsistent and only actually works in certain cases, yet people love referencing it like it were the new extrapolated stats. I know I'm not taking Goldeneye over many games it ranked ahead of, I know I'm not taking EarthBound over Metal Gear Solid 2 either. That list matches up with previous data at times and doesn't at others. It's nice to have, sure, but it shouldn't be brought up nearly as much as it does. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:49:46 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but OOT and 007 are two completely different types of games. Sonic 2 and SMW are a lot more similar. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 5:51:44 PM | message detail |
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Goldeneye and OOT are two of the four best-selling games on the N64, a
system starved for games. there's clearly a fanbase overlap there. OOT
probably SFFs the hell out of anything on its console, a lot like FF7
does for the PS1. SM64 got completely destroyed. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 5:53:47 PM | message detail |
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Well, it outperformed the only Sonic game popular enough to make Sp2K4. By .12%? Sure, if you call that out performing. it seems pretty obvious to me that Goldeneye and OOT are a lot closer than Sonic 2 and Mario World. same console, same company - two things Sonic 2 and Mario World don't have at all. Yet Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time are two entirely different types of games and have a very different type of appeal. Sonic 2 and Super Mario World are both big platformers that were major rivals back in the day. There's just as much reason, if not moreso, for there to be more SFF between Sonic 2 and SMW. And you provided, what, an instance where SotN might -- keyword -- be stronger than one game that is maybe the third strongest? --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 5:54:01 PM | message detail |
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..y'know, I know there's something wrong with tranny's argument, but I can't put my finger on it. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:54:28 PM | message detail |
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SM64 is a lot closer to OOT than 007 is. I'm not trying to say there
was no SFF in OOT/007, but I think Sonic 2/SMW SFF was greater, or of
equal value. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 5:54:35 PM | message detail |
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There we go! --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:54:58 PM | message detail |
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..y'know, I know there's something wrong with tranny's argument, but I can't put my finger on it. lol like his sexual anatomy m i rite --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 5:55:36 PM | message detail |
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Yet Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear Solid are two entirely different types of games and have a very different type of appeal. this doesn't stop anyone from admitting that something's wrong. you seem so adamant in refusing to look at the top 100 list, but go look at where 007, SOTN and Perfect Dark finished, especially in relation to Sonic 2, and tell me you're not at least a little bit curious. --- xyzzy |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 5:57:05 PM | message detail |
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I don't think anyone is denying OOT/007 SFF though, just saying that Sonic 2/SMW was larger. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 5:57:40 PM | message detail |
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how do you know it's larger? actually, let's play a game - if you could make up an x-stat value for Sonic 2, what would it be? --- xyzzy |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/15/2006 5:58:22 PM | message detail |
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how do you know it's larger? actually, let's play a game - if you could make up an x-stat value for Sonic 2, what would it be? 40,000,000,000,000,000,000% We're just going in idealogical world, right? --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/15/2006 5:59:41 PM | message detail |
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Being serious, even though I'm barely following the argument, I'd say Sonic 2 falls riiiiight around 27-30% --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Lopen | Posted 6/15/2006 5:59:41 PM | message detail |
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might -- keyword -- be stronger than maybe the third strongest? I doubt there's any significant strength difference between Sonic 2 and S3&K. The games are so similar. How many people have you seen that say, "Sonic 2 was nothing special... but S3&K! HOLY CRAP DID THAT ROCK MY SOCKS". Maybe one of the 3D Sonic Titles is stronger, but I'm doubting that. And even then, I'm not sold that this is something you just shrug off. Sonic 2 is probably as good as a flagship for half the Sonic games. Beating it is half the battle in my eyes. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/15/2006 6:00:37 PM | message detail |
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I doubt there's any significant strength difference between Sonic 2
and S3&K. The games are so similar. How many people have you seen
that say, "Sonic 2 was nothing special... but S3&K! HOLY CRAP DID
THAT ROCK MY SOCKS". Maybe one of the 3D Sonic Titles is stronger, but
I'm doubting that. And even then, I'm not sold that this is something
you just shrug off. Sonic 2 is probably as good as a flagship for half
the Sonic games. Beating it is half the battle in my eyes. Actually, I happen to think Sonic 2 was nothing special and S3&K was amazing. >>; Sonic 2 just felt rushed to me. Sonic 3 & Knuckles was a truly complete game, had a ton to do, more character choice, awesome power-ups... Just a far better game. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:03:22 PM | message detail |
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this doesn't stop anyone from admitting that something's wrong. you
seem so adamant in refusing to look at the top 100 list, but go look at
where 007, SOTN and Perfect Dark finished, especially in relation to
Sonic 2, and tell me you're not at least a little bit curious. Not in the slightest. I'm not trying to say there was no OoT/GE SFF; that would be about as ridiculous as saying there was no SMW/Sonic 2 SFF. But I sincerely doubt it was anywhere near the significance that you want to make it out to be. That list does nothing to tell me that something absolutely monstrous happened and Goldeneye should be significantly higher than where it placed. Similarly, I'm not going to start doubting Metal Gear Solid 2's position because it's far below games it ranked near. That list is nice to look at it, but nothing important. how do you know it's larger? actually, let's play a game - if you could make up an x-stat value for Sonic 2, what would it be? Somewhere around 27 - 28%. I look at the games around that area and that's where I think Sonic 2 could see a loss. That puts Chrono Trigger at getting 65%, which is what I think it would get, and it's still a ways below Super Mario World. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/15/2006 6:03:41 PM | message detail |
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"Sonic 2 was nothing special... but S3&K! HOLY CRAP DID THAT ROCK MY SOCKS" That's exactly how I feel though! --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 6:04:33 PM | message detail |
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how do you know it's larger? actually, let's play a game - if you could make up an x-stat value for Sonic 2, what would it be? I don't but when we're talking about SFF with no previous data there's really no where for either of us to form arguments from, other than our anus'. Which I agree is what I'm doing, but I think you're doing the same. It's just a matter of what I personally believe Sonic 2's strength to be. If I had to put Sonic 2 somewhere it would be at a minimum of 30%. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 6:06:17 PM | message detail |
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errr... take the minimum out there. I had a different figure in there
and then decided to put 30% instead. Forgot to delete the part before
it though. >_> --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:07:30 PM | message detail |
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I doubt there's any significant strength difference between Sonic 2
and S3&K. The games are so similar. How many people have you seen
that say, "Sonic 2 was nothing special... but S3&K! HOLY CRAP DID
THAT ROCK MY SOCKS". Well, I'm one of them and I know quite a few people here who are that way. So it's not some completely ridiculous idea that S3&K be quite a bit stronger than Sonic 2. Hell, I think the original Sonic was better than Sonic 2 -- not that I would take Sonic 1 over Sonic 2. >> Maybe one of the 3D Sonic Titles is stronger, but I'm doubting that. I would guarantee that Sonic Adventure 2 is stronger than Sonic 2. In fact, I wouldn't have trouble taking SA2 over Sonic 2 in a direct match with each other. Even indirectly, I think SA2 is quite a bit ahead of Sonic 2. After it was re-released on the GCN, I think it's strength shot up ... but we haven't been able to see that in action yet, so you know. The only thing we can see is that SA2 was very close to Sonic 2 pre-GCN release. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Applause Sign | Posted 6/15/2006 6:08:05 PM | message detail |
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I know the board isn't what you should go by, but this board definitely
thinks that way about S3&K when compared to S2. Anyway, Sonic
Adventure 2: Battle you could make an argument for being the strongest. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/15/2006 6:08:36 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and as for the current discussion, I'd take Sonic's strongest
(S3&K and SA2) over SotN. I think Sonic 2 would also edge it out,
and I'd put its value at around 28-29%. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| Lopen | Posted 6/15/2006 6:11:26 PM | message detail |
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Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe. Though it's questionable
why Sonic 2 was the one to get in anyway if there's a large strength
difference between the two in favor of S3&K. They were both on
equal footing, it'd make sense for the more popular of the two to get
in. Sonic 2 could very well be the more popular of the two overall, for whatever reason. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:13:46 PM | message detail |
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Alucard (2005c) VS Sonic 2 (2004g) Alucard has a strength of 22.94. Sonic 2 has a strength of 22.17. Alucard wins with 51.68% of the vote! A win of 2,896 with 86,264 total votes cast. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/15/2006 6:13:59 PM | message detail |
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Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe. Though it's questionable why Sonic 2
was the one to get in anyway if there's a large strength difference
between the two in favor of S3&K. They were both on equal footing,
it'd make sense for the more popular of the two to get in. Sonic 2 could very well be the more popular of the two overall, for whatever reason. As I said, S3&K doesn't exist on GameFAQs. Sonic 3 exists, Sonic & Knuckles exists, but the combination doesn't. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:20:33 PM | message detail |
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Somewhere around 27 - 28%. I look at the games around that area and
that's where I think Sonic 2 could see a loss. That puts Chrono Trigger
at getting 65%, which is what I think it would get, and it's still a
ways below Super Mario World. okay, then the difference you and I have is that you think SOTN is much weaker than me. I'd believe 26% or so for Sonic 2, but I think SOTN is quite a bit stronger - 28-30% or so. (I struggle to take the Game Contest's x-stats seriously anyway since so much weird stuff happened.) I find it hard to believe that Alucard is in the 25-26% range, yet SOTN is way down there at 20%. I'd think his game to be stronger than his character anyway. it's not like he's drawing strength from Aria or Castlevania 3 either. that's almost exclusively SOTN. --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:23:38 PM | message detail |
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then the difference you and I have is that you think SOTN is much weaker than me. transience (2006u) VS Castlevania: SotN (2004g) transience has a strength of 0.01. Castlevania: SotN has a strength of 22.30. Castlevania: SotN wins with 99.55% of the vote! A win of 80,000 with 80,360 total votes cast. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:28:10 PM | message detail |
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? is this take shots at transience day? --- xyzzy |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:28:24 PM | message detail |
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...oh. nevermind. --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:29:20 PM | message detail |
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Sorry, couldn't resist. *hugs* --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:30:29 PM | message detail |
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actually, if you wanted to be accurate you'd have made me the one with 99.55% of the vote. --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:31:27 PM | message detail |
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Ha, I wish! I know I'd vote for you - but then again, I've never played SotN. >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:34:59 PM | message detail |
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users != characters, duh. you'd probably like it - you like Super Metroid, right? it's almost the exact same thing, only with some added RPG elements like levels and equippable weapons. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:39:39 PM | message detail |
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Maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe. Though it's questionable why Sonic 2
was the one to get in anyway if there's a large strength difference
between the two in favor of S3&K. They were both on equal footing,
it'd make sense for the more popular of the two to get in. It's crazy how Aerith got in and Vincent didn't all those years ago, isn't it? =p okay, then the difference you and I have is that you think SOTN is much weaker than me. I'd believe 26% or so for Sonic 2, but I think SOTN is quite a bit stronger - 28-30% or so. I would probably have SotN a little below that at 25 - 26%. I think Sonic 2 would barely beat out SotN, and that there are two other Sonic games out there that are even stronger than Sonic 2. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:41:22 PM | message detail |
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I love Super Metroid. Maybe after I'm done playing MGS on my friend Rich's PlayStation I'll give SotN a whirl. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:42:18 PM | message detail |
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SotN is very, very awesome. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:42:49 PM | message detail |
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I'm not even arguing about those. I'm just talking about Sonic 2 and
SOTN. Sonic probably beats Castlevania since it leans so heavily on
SOTN. I'm not convinced that any other Sonic game is significantly stronger than Sonic 2 though. I think they'd all be right next to each other. same with Mega Man... if we ever got to see him in action, that is. --- xyzzy |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:43:33 PM | message detail |
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SOTN is okay... I prefer Metroid to Castlevania by far, but SOTN is a fun little game. I prefer Aria to SOTN. I am in the minority by far, though. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:46:03 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man X is ahead of any other Mega Man title by a good margin. Fact!! =p SOTN is okay... I prefer Metroid to Castlevania by far, but SOTN is a fun little game. I prefer Aria to SOTN. Yeah. It's actually the opposite for me, I greatly prefer Castlevania to Metroid. Aria kicked much ass, too, though. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 6:46:42 PM | message detail |
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well, you know how I roll with Metroid, so that's far from an insult coming from me! --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:48:27 PM | message detail |
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All about that Zero Mission!! --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 6:49:58 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of Zero Mission... NULL HYPOTHESIS or ABSOLUTE HYPOTHESIS: If Samus gets a "Zero Suit" picture in the character battle, she'll actually underperform. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/15/2006 6:53:55 PM | message detail |
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I'm thinking overperform. --- "If you're asking for a date, forget it. Because I made it a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head." |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/15/2006 6:56:04 PM | message detail |
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Didn't she have a Naked Samus-esque picture when she got 40% on Cloud?
I'd imagine she'd do pretty well with polygons instead of sprites... --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/15/2006 7:01:27 PM | message detail |
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Didn't she have a Naked Samus-esque picture when she got 40% on
Cloud? I'd imagine she'd do pretty well with polygons instead of
sprites... True, but that was only in the pic where Cloud was "owning" her. On the other pic she was suited. I ask because I wonder if, despite being "lol hot girl," Samus is recognizable outside the armor. I think that when SSBB comes out and Zero Suit Samus is fully playable, that'll be a moot point - but until then, I'd be curious. Zero Suit Samus vs. Mega Man X would have interesting potential... --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| trannyscience | Posted 6/15/2006 7:02:27 PM | message detail |
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couldn't you say the same thing about Zelda? Zelda had no problem owning Vivi with a TP picture. the name Zelda is more recognizable, I suppose. --- xyzzy |