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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 291

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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 6:30:28 PM | message detail
Maybe it's because I really don't think Ocarina of Time was that great of a game. It was certainly good, but I definitely think Nintendo can easily make a better game. If Wind Waker had Adult Link and took out the sailing, I feel it would be almost as popular as OoT in itself. The gameplay is certainly much better. I definitely feel that from what I've seen that Twilight Princess will be better than Ocarina of Time.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 6:34:10 PM | message detail
I think they did what they did with WW (the sailing) because everyone always used to say how OOT really gave them a sense of an endless world to go through, except with fields and whatnot.

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Master Moltar | Posted 6/13/2006 6:34:42 PM | message detail
It was certainly good, but I definitely think Nintendo can easily make a better game.

And that game was called Majora's Mask. >.>

Well, at least I liked it better than OoT. Wind Waker is good too. I'd put it a bit below OoT.
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^5 Moltar IMHO.

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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/13/2006 6:39:31 PM | message detail
Haha, just got my first true casual bracket as a response:

Keep in mind, I have not even heard of most of these games, so I am just assuming the ones I have heard of are going to win because that means they must be really popular. If I have actually played them before, then they will definitely win because the games have even found themselves in the hands of a nongamer like myself so they must be extremely popular.

ok hopefully it isn't too late for this:

Round 1 winners-
Zelda
Suikoden (because it reminds me of sudoku?)
Pokemon
Kirby
Metal Gear (sounds like fighting and people like that)
Silent Hill (no clue what that is but it is a cool name)
Halo
Kingdom Hearts (I like the game hearts, but I'm sure it's not the same thing)
Super Mario Bro.
Grand Theft Auto
Sonic
Super Smash Bro.
Final Fantasy
Mario Kart
The Elder Scrolls (sounds like an interesting game?)
Shadow Hearts (again I like the game hearts)

Round 2 winners-
Zelda
Pokemon
Metal Gear (fighting probably wins for most people over a cool name)
Halo
Super Mario Bro.
Super Smash Bro.
Mario Kart
Shadow Hearts

Round 3 winners-
Zelda
Halo
Super Mario Bro.
Mario Kart

Round 4 winners-
Zelda
Super Mario Bro.

Round 5 winner-
Zelda (tough one!)


I was a bit surprised that even she has Zelda winning. I liked the Suikoden and Kingdom Hearts comments. :)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2006 6:40:54 PM | message detail
I would loooooooove a 128 game contest.

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transients | Posted 6/13/2006 6:41:47 PM | message detail
now that's casual.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 6/13/2006 8:04:41 PM | message detail
What if GTA goes over SMB!

Imagine..
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VideoboysaysCube | Posted 6/13/2006 8:13:29 PM | message detail
Lately I've gotten this urge to put Street Fighter ahead of Resident Evil. Someone tell me I'm crazy?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 8:14:50 PM | message detail
Lately I've gotten this urge to put Street Fighter ahead of Resident Evil. Someone tell me I'm crazy?

While I'd love for you to do that, both Capcom "favorite series" polls had RE>SF and the highest ranked RE game on the top 100 is far higher than the only SF game.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 8:15:58 PM | message detail
I was a bit surprised that even she has Zelda winning. I liked the Suikoden and Kingdom Hearts comments. :)

I just quoted a portion, but XD at the whole post.
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Big Bob | Posted 6/13/2006 8:16:48 PM | message detail
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VideoboysaysCube | Posted 6/13/2006 8:29:11 PM | message detail
Hmm...I didn't know about those polls. Makes sense. Now the only matches that are bothering me are KH/Halo, FE/SH and MK/MM. And then there is SF/ES where I feel pretty confident with SF. Only reason why I would doubt that last one is because of Oblivion. However, maybe there are people who won't associate it with Elder Scrolls right away and just vote for Street Fighter...
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 8:32:30 PM | message detail
Hmm...I didn't know about those polls. Makes sense. Now the only matches that are bothering me are KH/Halo, FE/SH and MK/MM. And then there is SF/ES where I feel pretty confident with SF. Only reason why I would doubt that last one is because of Oblivion. However, maybe there are people who won't associate it with Elder Scrolls right away and just vote for Street Fighter...

KH vs Halo- Absolutely justified in being worried.

FE vs SH- HAHAH! People are underrating FE to a very large extent here. It got doubled by FFTA... a popular (outside of Board 8) game in the same genre and on the same system as Fire Emblem that has the Final Fantasy name. I'd be willing to bet that FE got SFFed. As for Silent Hill... I was looking through polls yesterday and don't remember seeing anything that rose an eyebrow over SH's strength.

MK vs MM- Again, justified in being worried.

SF vs ES- I'd be shocked if SF lost here. I'd be shocked if SF didn't get a doubling here in fact.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 9:16:58 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: Halo will not only beat Castlevania, but lead from start to finish.

I say fiction. You know Castlevania's and Halo's respective reputations surrounding night and day? Even if it turns out to be a 60-40 affair (which I doubt), I think Castlevania will eek out the early lead.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/13/2006 9:19:53 PM | message detail
Castlevania will scare people who pick Halo. fact.

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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 9:25:27 PM | message detail
No doubt about that, but then people will think of Halo's legendary day vote. Remember what happened to the last guy who thought of upsetting MC? Yeah.

Unless CV takes a massive, and I mean MASSIVE lead early on, the match is over. Halo/MC managed to come back from 55/45 situations twice, with excellent results (a 400-vote loss to Starcraft is nothing to sneer at, I mean it's freaking Starcraft).
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 9:49:01 PM | message detail
I don't disagree about Halo's day vote... I'm just saying that it will scare people. I just realized that I said fact when I meant fiction - no way does Halo take the lead initially and hold onto it. at the very least, the board vote favours Castlevania. heck, CATS kept MC at 60% for a good while. Castlevania has a similar kind of vote, only with actual strength.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 10:21:39 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: Halo will not only beat Castlevania, but lead from start to finish.

I'll say "Fiction" to this as well. I think Halo is going to beat Castlevania with absolute ease, but the first few minutes should likely favor Castlevania, even if it's only by a little.

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ESY16 | Posted 6/13/2006 10:42:02 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: Halo will not only beat Castlevania, but lead from start to finish.

I'll say "Fiction" to this as well. I think Halo is going to beat Castlevania with absolute ease, but the first few minutes should likely favor Castlevania, even if it's only by a little.


I pretty much agree with everything you said. I think it may be longer than just a few minutes, but won't last as long as I would like it.

I am also wondering if I am the only person taking a second look at MG vs. KH, for some reason I have become less sure of my MG pick.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/13/2006 10:45:28 PM | message detail
XD @ Casual Bracket
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/13/2006 10:48:33 PM | message detail
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but...

Mario Kart vs. Mega Man X

Which do you take?
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/13/2006 11:02:02 PM | message detail
Since some people are dismissing TES as fodder, I'd just like to rant a bit about why I think it stands a chance at beating street fighter... this might be somewhat incoherent (is anything I say ever coherent?), but here I go.

First some acronyms and names, just so I don't confuse anyone: TES = the elder scrolls, bethesda, = the company that makes the series, arena and daggerfall = the first two games in the series, morrowind being the third, and oblivion being the fourth. Redguard and battlespire were two games released between daggerfall and morrowind, and I'm going to refer to the cell phone games as TES travels (since that seems to be what they're called), although I'm not sure if I'll mention all of these things. Blodmoon ad Tribunal are expansions for morrowind. Morrowind goty on pc included both expansion packs with the original morrowind game. the goty version on xbox was one disc that was patched to a more recent version, and included bloodmoon and tribunal along with morrowind on one disc for xbox players. The TES construction set is a program released with both the morrowind and oblivion (they're different ones though, I believe) pc versions that are basically a tool for people to make mods for the games much more easily.

Let's start with the first two games in the series arena and daggerfall respectively. Obviously, these are the two most obscure titles in the series. However, they do have a good cult following, and bring a small voter demographic to the series, by being relatively well received old-school pc games that have a good cult following. Obviously alone they wouldn't elevate TES above the status of being fodder, but I think they are still notable for being so advanced for their time (as an example of how advanced, daggerfall had a randomly generated map and dungeons, but it had over 7,500 NPC's, and a map so large that it would take two hours in real time to travel from one side of the map to the other in the game), and having such a cult following. I believe they'll add at least some small amount of voted to TES for it's match, and give it added popularity on the site, if only by just a bit.

Now onto the third installment in the series; morrowind. The first TES game to also hit a console, this game greatly elevated the series popularty. Unfortunately I don't have sales numbers (hopefully I find them one day, as I'm really damn curious how much it managed to sell on both xbox and pc). More importantly, it added recency to the series, which means it would become more popular on gamefaqs. It has quite literally hundreds of hours of gameplay in it (and for anyone curious no the map isn't randomly generated in morrowind or oblivion). As an RPG it achieved success on the xbox by being one of the few mainstreamish RPGs on the system that was worth playing. It won game of the year on in many different places, and remains one of the most critically acclaimed games to date.On gamerankings it scores a solid 89%... I don't have much more to say here. I'll talk about how this applies to it's standing in the match later later.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/13/2006 11:04:09 PM | message detail
The fourth installment; oblivion, also happens to be the most popular. I'm unsure of current sales, but within the first two weeks of the games release alone, there were at 1.5 million sold with pc and 360 sales were combined. Although I have no clue if this would affect sales, KH2 was released in this timeframe. In it's first week Oblivion took up a quarter of all pc game sales. It also received high scores just about everywhere. In fact it has outdone morrowind by achieving a score of 93% on gamerankings... once again no small feat. TES IV also brought something quite amazing to the table; about fifty hours of voice acting, including voice actors such as Sean Bean and Patrick Stewart, Patrick Stewart in the making of DVD stated that he had never received as much background information on a character as he has for emperor uriel septem... I'm just going to leave it here, since I'm now ranting about things that don't really affect it's standing in the match (not that this stopped me earlier).

Now onto the TES construction set. It is considerably easier to make mods for morrowind and oblivion than for the vast majority of other games, and because of bethesda's releasing this program with the games on pc, TES has an absolutely massive online community, despite being a single player RPG. Just to give you an idea of how popular some of these mod sites are, planet elder scrolls (probably the most popular of these sites), have mods that have individually been downloaded by tens of thousands of people. The most popular mods for morrowind have reached over 100,000 downloads. Mods add various content to the game. For instance, a few completely scrap the game, and replace it with a new one. These are called total conversions. Some add things such as gliders, airships, buster swords, new textures, and just about anything you can think of to the game. I even have a mod that adds Cloud and Yuffie's faces to the game to put on your character.

The forums on the official site, as well as many fan sites are active as hell. To get an idea of how active they are, go to elderscrolls.com at any time of the day and view some of the more active forums. Their popularity is absolutely insane, even for morrowind; a game that was released over four years ago. For small idea of how active they are for those too lazy to check for themselves; even at 1:30 AM eastern, they have 300 registered users on the forums right now. To give you an idea of how large this is; gamefaqs currently has just under 4,000 on (and I don't believe it updates itself nearly as often, so it's probably lower). That means that the official site for this one, single series has about 8% of the registered users on it at any given time as gamefaqs. I don't know about you, but I'd consider that pretty damn significant. Massive rallying could potentially add to TES' success.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/13/2006 11:05:38 PM | message detail
So how about those faqs? Well here's something to think about, TES:III Morrowind, a game released four years ago, still stands strong as having one of te top fifty faq pages. The only games older than it that rank ahead of it are ocarina of time, ff8, diablo 2, ssbm, ff7 and ff10. That's pretty good company it's sitting in. The xbx version stands second on the xbox faq page, just behind halo. Oblivion currently sits in the number 2 and 3 on the overall faq pages, with the pc version appearing to be ahead of WoW once again. The only problem here is that the pc top ten faqs say otherwise, and I'm not sure which of the two was more recently updated. I'm guessing the top fifty overall faqs, but maybe I'm wrong. Now I'm not saying faqs are supremely important, but it does add credence to TES being a popular enough series on gamefaqs to do well in a poll. "But dragoon" you exclaim, "gta:SA was in te top ten overall faqs for all three different platforms when CJ got his ass handed to him from ness; they can't possibly mean a thing". Well true, c did get beaten by ness, but this doesn't mean that gta:sa itself is all that weak; just that everyone hates cj. I don't think many people here would argue that SA is stronger then cj. All I'm saying is that they do give some indication that the fans of the series are coming to the site, and staying in the top fifty faqs for four years shows a dedicated fanbase that will help it along in the match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2384

This is a very recent poll tha shows oblivion has quite a bit of popularity on the site. Over 20% of the site considers it to be the game of the year so far in this poll; once again no small feat. Now I'm not saying tha TES is by any means a lock, or that it's even the favourite to win. But a victory over street fighter isn't all that ridiculous, and is worth considering. I'm sure I persuaded nobody with this post, but hopefully not all that many people expect it to be absolute fodder. :P

I fully respect the opinion of anyone who disagrees, all I ask is that you don't completely discount TES from a possible victory over street fighter. This rant probably doesn't have all that much useful information in it, but meh, it's a rant. Hopefully someone out there enjoyed reading it.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 11:10:45 PM | message detail
who ever called elder scrolls fodder? the question isn't how well-received or popular it is among PC gamers, it's how popular it is among people who frequent GameFAQs. I'm not sure if 50% of the GF population, mostly console gamers, have played an Elder Scrolls game. I personally haven't.

and I'd take MK over MMX and feel even better about it than I do MM.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/13/2006 11:12:59 PM | message detail
who ever called elder scrolls fodder?

MM stating that he would be shocked if street fighter didn't double it is mainly what brought on/inspired/whatever the hell you want to call it my rant.
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SonicLink15 | Posted 6/13/2006 11:14:45 PM | message detail
If Mario Kart can beat Megaman X it won't have a problem with the Megaman series.

There's a poll asking what everyone's favorite Megaman series is and X won. I'm just too lazy to look it up.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/13/2006 11:17:55 PM | message detail
the question isn't how well-received or popular it is among PC gamers, it's how popular it is among people who frequent GameFAQs. I'm not sure if 50% of the GF population, mostly console gamers, have played an Elder Scrolls game. I personally haven't.

I'm aware of that; I did actually talk about that in my rant. Going by the game contest xstats, halo and half-life ranked ahead of sf2, and star wars kotor (another xbox/pc game) did as well. I don't think it's that outlandish to suggest that it might lose to TES.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/13/2006 11:20:43 PM | message detail
MM has a much wider possible strength range than MMX does. If people vote just on the original series, MK will do better against MM than it would against MMX. If people combine it with other series though, MM actually stands a chance of beating MK. I'd certainly take MK over MMX, but MM is far more unpredictable.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2006 11:22:58 PM | message detail
I'd take Kart over X.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/13/2006 11:25:17 PM | message detail
Patrick Stewart's in Oblivion? Holy crap! My interest in that game just increased from 5 to a 9.5.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 6/13/2006 11:59:16 PM | message detail
Well, since this bracket seems so easy..

Im going Warcraft over GTA ;)
UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/14/2006 12:25:59 AM | message detail
Sonic (2005c) VS SSB Melee (2004g)

Sonic has a strength of 38.50.
SSB Melee has a strength of 41.33.

SSB Melee wins with 53.42% of the vote!
A win of 5,846 with 85,382 total votes cast.

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transience | Posted 6/14/2006 12:27:25 AM | message detail
now all we have to do if be sure that FF7 is worth 55% on 2k3 Link (I think that's how we set it) and we're all set!

I'll laugh if that ends up being accurate.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/14/2006 12:30:48 AM | message detail
Suikoden (because it reminds me of sudoku?)

XD


So going purely off xstats, Riders would have to give Sonic a 3% boost. >_>
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Lucid Faia | Posted 6/14/2006 12:33:18 AM | message detail
SF vs ES- I'd be shocked if SF lost here. I'd be shocked if SF didn't get a doubling here in fact.

...Wow. Do you have any idea how popular The Elder Scrolls is?

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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/14/2006 3:58:02 AM | message detail
SF won't double the Elder Scrolls, but it should still win well. I'm thinking just shy of 58%.

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cyko | Posted 6/14/2006 5:16:06 AM | message detail

and I'd take MK over MMX and feel even better about it than I do MM.


it's funny, beacause i feel the same way. yet, i would also take Megaman X over Megaman with reasonable confidence. with just plain old "Megaman", though, it really is a question of if and how Ceej will differentiate the classic series from all the other series.

as long as we're talking about Megaman, the Megaman Theme is also rumored to be unlockable in Guitar Hero 2. believe it or not, if it happens, i think it could actually give Megaman himself a boost. Guitar Hero draws in a lot of casual gamers and even a lot of non-gamers that aren't familiar with Megaman. being introduced to a whole new audience could give him some sort of boost, even if it's not a huge boost. after all, almost every band that appeared in Guitar Hero has received a boost in song downloads and album sales due to exposure to a whole new audience.

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voltch | Posted 6/14/2006 5:34:57 AM | message detail
i wonder how mmx will fare.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/14/2006 6:40:25 AM | message detail
I see the character Mega Man being a percent or so stronger if given an X picture (for the whole match; wasn't X in one of the Mega/Crono pics from 2K5?) - I think X will be stronger than MM no question.

I still see MM beating Mario Kart though.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/14/2006 6:44:53 AM | message detail
On an unrelated note, when does the guru topic usually go up?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/14/2006 7:04:49 AM | message detail
Could someone give me the link showing RE > SF in a poll, please.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/14/2006 7:10:16 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2254

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voltch | Posted 6/14/2006 7:21:11 AM | message detail
MK should have a decent strength right.

are there any potential hidden powerhouses?
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Samurai7 | Posted 6/14/2006 7:22:45 AM | message detail
Finally another ES supporter.

You're my buddy now dragoontheguy
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/14/2006 7:23:02 AM | message detail
as long as we're talking about Megaman, the Megaman Theme is also rumored to be unlockable in Guitar Hero 2.

Mega Man Theme? Which song would that be? I'm pretty sure that MM doesn't have an actual "theme song".
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Big Bob | Posted 6/14/2006 7:34:25 AM | message detail
Ulti, where did you come up with the Starcraft > Diablo > Warcraft statistic?
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/14/2006 7:40:51 AM | message detail
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454

Ok, that is a bit interesting... but these polls mean NOTHING! I mean, Megaman voters might rank Street Fighter as the 2nd best Capcom series, so you never know. That's why I love these contests.

I support SF all the way (until FF).

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Master Moltar | Posted 6/14/2006 7:48:32 AM | message detail
Street Fighter as the 2nd best Capcom series, so you never know.

Uh, Street Fighter is 3rd in that poll. RE is in 2nd.
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