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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 291

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 10:07:59 AM | message detail
Pokemon + Pikachu

Top 10

Okay, hypothetically speaking if CJayC were to show us the match pictures before the contest started, and Pokemon was represented by a big yellow Pikachu with the word "Pokemon!" in the back, would you still feel confident in taking Pokemon over Star Ocean?

Moving on, why do people feel so content with justifying KHII > Halo because KHII is number 1 on the top 10 FAQ pages, yet Oblivion is at number 2 and number 6 on two different systems. I'm willing to bet if you combined the two it would be higher than KHII, even if you don't believe that though, how can you totally disregard that and go with SF > Elder Scrolls? I'm sure none of you would take Street Fighter > Halo.

Anyway, that's for the people who use the top 10 to argue for KH > Halo, and completely disregard Elder Scrolls, if you're not one of them, don't respond!

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 10:09:22 AM | message detail
Oh.. I was supposed to delete Pokemon + Pikachu and Top 10 from that post, I opened a post message window and typed it in so I wouldn't forget what I wanted to say by the time I finished getting caught up. >_>

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Master Moltar | Posted 6/13/2006 10:13:32 AM | message detail
Okay, hypothetically speaking if CJayC were to show us the match pictures before the contest started, and Pokemon was represented by a big yellow Pikachu with the word "Pokemon!" in the back, would you still feel confident in taking Pokemon over Star Ocean?

I'd feel less confident, but I'd still have Pokemon winning. The picture would hurt, but it only comes close to making up the margin that SO needs to beat Pokemon IMO.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 10:14:17 AM | message detail
I thought G bolded it, could be just me though. I remember thinking it was just the (cheap plug) part.

Meh, anyway.

I'm not really relying on the top 10, as it's a completely different method of voting (Cloud is one of B8's favourite characters, yet never comes close to winning a B8 tourney, IIRC. The Gfaqs one works in the same principle). It works for really obvious things, like FFVII, OoT and, in Boar B8's case, Magus. But arguing "OMG 45 > 51 THEREFORE THT SERIES WILL WIN" is...a little weird.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 10:16:45 AM | message detail

I'm not really relying on the top 10, as it's a completely different method of voting (Cloud is one of B8's favourite characters, yet never comes close to winning a B8 tourney, IIRC. The Gfaqs one works in the same principle). It works for really obvious things, like FFVII, OoT and, in Boar B8's case, Magus. But arguing "OMG 45 > 51 THEREFORE THT SERIES WILL WIN" is...a little weird.


He meant the top 10 FAQ pages, not the top 100 game list.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 10:18:17 AM | message detail
What MM said.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 10:20:46 AM | message detail
Since I'm not one of those using the FAQ listing to justify KH > Halo, I won't drop my 2 cents!
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 10:21:04 AM | message detail
I knew that >_> I was just ignoring EC like usual
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 10:28:18 AM | message detail
The whole thing about Samus/Metroid not having SFF power is...well, it's like she should. And the fact that she took SUCH a hard beating from Mario despite nearly being his equal in strength (or his superior, depending on who you ask) is baffling. Look how well Yoshi does against Mario + every Nintendo character ever, despite being so much weaker and actually part of the Mario series. It scares me. Would you expect Samus to beat down Yoshi as ferociously as Mega Man did? Hell, that's one of the reasons I'm so damn tempted to take him in an upset -- could Mega Man SFF Samus?
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 10:29:13 AM | message detail
Okay... where are all the people who were using the top 10 FAQs? I demand you speak up!

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marioinblack | Posted 6/13/2006 10:32:57 AM | message detail
I don't like how Metroid's run is a bit too predictable. It's inevitalbe that a great series like Metroid will fall to Mario in the 3rd round. Now if it faced of against Kingdom Hearts or Metal Gear, we'd have ourselves a barnburner.

Also does anyone else think that Pokemon/Star Ocean match could be close to what the Master Chief/Frog match was? Not by how close, but by how the votes swayed throughout the day making the match hard to pull a conclusion on.

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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 10:34:55 AM | message detail
Possibly... I see Castlevania/MC to be more like that though, except once MC starts running away with it once day hits, he'll never look back.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 10:59:18 AM | message detail
Okay, hypothetically speaking if CJayC were to show us the match pictures before the contest started, and Pokemon was represented by a big yellow Pikachu with the word "Pokemon!" in the back, would you still feel confident in taking Pokemon over Star Ocean?

I would be very happy to see something like that.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/13/2006 11:01:34 AM | message detail
Are there any polls that could perhaps dwelve into Sonic/SSBM better? You know, things besides the x-stats? Its starting to concern me...>_>
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/13/2006 11:03:03 AM | message detail
Also does anyone else think that Pokemon/Star Ocean match could be close to what the Master Chief/Frog match was? Not by how close, but by how the votes swayed throughout the day making the match hard to pull a conclusion on.

Actually, I think Masterchief VS Felix is a better match. Pokémon will win, but it won't win with 60%+
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 11:04:27 AM | message detail
I would be very happy to see something like that.

I would probably cream my pants.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/13/2006 11:08:29 AM | message detail
Are there any polls that could perhaps dwelve into Sonic/SSBM better? You know, things besides the x-stats? Its starting to concern me...>_>

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1662

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1638
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 11:09:43 AM | message detail
I hope no one would use those polls to make a decision.


... Actually, yes, please use those polls. Sonic cannot win!

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/13/2006 11:11:54 AM | message detail
*shakes head that people are still using Sonic 2 as a basis for the whole series*
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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/13/2006 11:13:39 AM | message detail
A few more casuals responded to my e-mail. The first one was here: http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dansbracket0ed.jpg as noted in the previous topic.
The rest only used the image to see the brackets and then typed their choices out. Here's their brackets, along with their comments:

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I'd like to see the statistics on this at the end anyways. I hope I am doing this right, selecting the series that the GameFAQ's reader's selections.

Round 1:
Legend of Zelda
Mega Man X
Pokemon
Metroid

Metal Gear
Silent Hill
Halo
Kingdom Hearts

Super Mario Bros.
Warcraft
Sonic
Super Smash Bros.

Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Street Fighter
Resident Evil

Round 2:
Legend of Zelda
Metroid

Metal Gear
Kingdom Hearts

Super Mario Bros.
Sonic

Final Fantasy
Street Fighter

Round 3:
Legend of Zelda
Metal Gear

Super Mario Bros.
Final Fantasy

Round 4:
Legend of Zelda
Super Mario Bros.

Round 5:
Super Mario Bros.

Hmm, I guess that is pretty boring, didn't pick too many upsets. I guess I am probably being a little silly not taking FF for the win at GameFAQs.


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OK here is my bracket.

Round 1 winners:

Zelda
Mega Man X
Star Ocean
Metroid

Metal Gear
Fire Emblem
Castlevania
Kingdom Hearts

Super Mario Bros
Warcraft
Sonic
Super Smash Bros

Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Street Fighter
Resident Evil

Round 2 winners

Zelda
Metroid

Metal Gear
Kingdom Hearts

Super Mario Bros
Super Smash Bros

Final Fantasy
Resident Evil

Round 3 winners

Zelda
Kingdom Hearts
Super Mario Bros
Final Fantasy

Round 4 winners

Zelda
Final Fantasy

Round 5 winner

Zelda


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Round 1 Winners

Zelda
Mega Man X
Pokémon
Metroid

Metal Gear
Silent Hill
Castlevania
Kingdom Hearts

Mario
GTA
Sonic
Smash

Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Street Fighter
Resident Evil

Round 2 Winners

Zelda
Metroid

Metal Gear
Kingdom Hearts

Mario
Smash

Final Fantasy
Resident Evil

Round 3 Winners

Zelda

Metal Gear

Mario

Final Fantasy

Round 4 Winners

Zelda

Mario

The Winner is...

Zelda (obviously, though I would rather see Mario win it)


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Looking at all four of the replies so far (there's still a lot more people who haven't responded, so I should be getting several more), I noticed the following:

The last person thought that Zelda as a winner was obvious.

Three out of four picked Warcraft > GTA

Everyone picked Street Fighter > ES

Two picked Castlevania > Halo.

Two picked Sonic > Smash

Two picked Silent Hill > Fire Emblem

One picked Star Ocean > Pokemon. Only of note because I know he's never played a Star Ocean game.

Everyone has the one seeds in the final four, except one person who put KH there.

Not that any of this means anything. I just thought it was interesting. I hope more people respond, but I have a feeling a majority are going to ignore my e-mail. One person responded only with a link to a video about why video games make you insane...
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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/13/2006 11:15:43 AM | message detail
Nobody picked Final Fantasy, despite this site's reputation? How odd.
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Applause Sign | Posted 6/13/2006 11:29:20 AM | message detail
Nobody picked Final Fantasy, despite this site's reputation? How odd.

The first person did, and one mentioned that he was being stupid for not taking FF.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/13/2006 11:32:13 AM | message detail
Ah, okay. Missed that one.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 11:44:02 AM | message detail
Okay... where are all the people who were using the top 10 FAQs? I demand you speak up!

they're taking Elder Scrolls. seriously.

KH2 was #1 before it was even out in America, anyway. it's ahead by so much it's not even funny.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/13/2006 12:04:16 PM | message detail
Hmmm...Mega Man/Mario Kart has nearly overtaken GTA/Warcraft for the most split match in the BOP.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 12:05:12 PM | message detail
as it should be.. still can't believe Halo/KH is so one-sided though. or at least I assume it is.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/13/2006 12:06:04 PM | message detail
66/9 in KH's favor, with 4 for Castlevania.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 12:06:51 PM | message detail
The Chief can't overcome the darkness!

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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 12:07:02 PM | message detail
ow. yeah, if there was going to be one change to my bracket, it'd be picking Halo.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 6/13/2006 12:07:14 PM | message detail
Well, this board does the same thing with KH/II that it does with SSB/M.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 12:08:02 PM | message detail
yeah, except some people here actually like Sonic. I don't know if we have a single Halo freak here. Lopen's as close as we get.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/13/2006 12:08:42 PM | message detail
Well, this board does the same thing with KH/II that it does with SSB/M.

Not quite that overhyped.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 12:09:39 PM | message detail
were you here the day KH2 was released? that was just as bad, if not worse, as the SSBB trailer day.
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 12:10:40 PM | message detail
When SSBB is actually released, I won't be within 100 miles of this board.

Or however that's supposed to be phrased.
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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 12:13:01 PM | message detail
A blast from the past!

9 Kingdom Hearts 73
1 Halo 14
16 Starcraft 13
8 Soul Calibur 2

Looks familiar, huh?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 12:15:36 PM | message detail
When SSBB is actually released, I won't be within 100 miles of this board.

Ditto, sir.

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Tai | Posted 6/13/2006 12:18:23 PM | message detail
When SSBB is actually released, I won't be within 100 miles of this board.


I'll be looking for peeples to play when I have a Wii lolz. >_>
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/13/2006 12:24:42 PM | message detail
Are there any polls that could perhaps dwelve into Sonic/SSBM better? You know, things besides the x-stats? Its starting to concern me...>_>

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=580

http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/worldtotals.php?name=sonic&console=&publisher=&sort=America

Sonic Adventure 2 is the most interesting part to look at. Based on its Dreamcast sales alone, it pulled a strong third place in the favorite Sonic poll. The GC is a far more popular console here than the DC ever was, and its GC sales are far better than its DC sales. StH2 is a small fraction of the Sonic series's overall strength, and SA2 alone is undoubtedly enough to push up the series by an absolutely enormous amount...I'd say that SA2 would place somewhere between Wind Waker and Metroid Prime in the stats, which likely puts it ahead of SMW.

As I've said before, Sonic vs. SSB is easily the toughest match in the bracket, and there's definitely strong justifications to take Sonic for the win.
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/13/2006 12:28:09 PM | message detail
9 Kingdom Hearts 73
1 Halo 14
16 Starcraft 13
8 Soul Calibur 2

Looks familiar, huh?


I had Halo last time, and I would've been right too, if it weren't for those meddling Koreans and their dumb Starcraft!
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 12:29:33 PM | message detail
If Halo had actually taken that fourpack, it would have been only slightly less of an upset in the BOP than Starcraft. That's insane.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/13/2006 12:30:40 PM | message detail
I had Halo too...but I actually had it taking the division. >_>
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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 12:34:57 PM | message detail
I don't think anyone would argue nowadays that Halo would've beaten KH... which means, we must think pretty damn highly of KH2 in order to compensate for a game that set all kinds of sales records and then some.
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/13/2006 12:35:10 PM | message detail
I had WW > Halo, but then WW > SSBM...

Interesting to see how that would've played out...
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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 12:35:56 PM | message detail
Wow. I had WW over KH and FF10.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/13/2006 12:41:05 PM | message detail
...

*had SSBM > KH*
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jonthomson | Posted 6/13/2006 12:42:47 PM | message detail
Had GTA over something, possibly Zelda :-)
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 12:45:32 PM | message detail
I think I had FFX > Halo, but I honestly don't remember at all.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/13/2006 12:46:43 PM | message detail
I remember I had the lower half of Division 128 perfect, but I didn't get a match right past the first round on the upper half.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/13/2006 12:51:35 PM | message detail
All I know is that I thought picking Halo over Starcraft was going for an upset (not by seeding but by who would actually win) before the contest started...
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Janus5000 | Posted 6/13/2006 12:52:24 PM | message detail
I had FFX > Starcraft.

Oddly enough, I got Starcraft's last three opponents wrong.
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