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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 291

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Master Moltar | Posted 6/12/2006 10:00:10 PM | message detail
Question about the contest analyses, guys: I think last year had everybody introducing themselves before the matches took place. I'm not done with the analyses yet by any means, but I was just checking to see if we need to do anything like that this year or not.

A couple sentences about yourself would be nice.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/12/2006 10:47:11 PM | message detail
Man, I figured I'd have SOMETHING to say after not being here all day, but...I don't.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/12/2006 11:27:15 PM | message detail
My first round Analysis Crew write-ups seem to be rather lengthy.

Also, when you say something about an introduction, do you want it in the very first match write-up or what?
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 6/12/2006 11:27:49 PM | message detail
Wow....these jokes totally overran the board....<_<
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/12/2006 11:28:25 PM | message detail
Yeah, no kidding. This topic had already fallen to page 3, even after 30 minutes.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 6/12/2006 11:30:45 PM | message detail
I think I clicked on one or two of them, learned my lesson and went back to playing Xenosaga. oof.
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BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 6/12/2006 11:32:13 PM | message detail
I still say mine about Orton and Crono's Mom was da best
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/12/2006 11:34:29 PM | message detail
I only clicked on the "Why did Knuckles beat Magus?" topic, promptly corrected the topic creator, and resumed watching "Pirates of the Caribbean."
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
WiggumFan267 | Posted 6/12/2006 11:39:46 PM | message detail
I'd even consider Tetris over FF1.

Maybe the same people who took FE over FFTA... poor souls...



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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2006 12:21:02 AM | message detail
Pokemon versus anything is odd. Pokemon is the one case where anti-votes actually matter, but we've only seen Pikachu in a contest. It's easy to blame anti-votes for Xenogears whipping GSC's ass, but that top 100 list makes you think twice about assuming either game to be weak. It's not like we have an accurate reading on them.

I was seriously considering picking Star Ocean to win the match, because this has Ness v Jak/CJ written all over it. Everyone has an odd feeling that Star Ocean can win, but few actually fear it will. Yet is Star Ocean wins, few will actually be surprised. Pokemon is likely the safer pick given that it has more of an upside, but one wonders if Star Ocean + hate votes can cover the gap.

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ESY16 | Posted 6/13/2006 12:23:32 AM | message detail
I really need a link to that top 100 games thing...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2006 12:25:14 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/top10/top10_100.html

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ESY16 | Posted 6/13/2006 12:38:47 AM | message detail
Cool, thanks for the link Ulti.

I also have concerns for Pokemon in that match, but my biggest concern lies with how broad the fanbase for Pokemon is. I honestly don't think that Pokemon's strength will be that much higher than any of its popular games/series (e.g. R/B/Y). The concepts to each game are similar enough that a fan of one game will probably like that majority of them. However, there is no way for those games to win over people who didn't like Pokemon in the first place.

I do think that anti-votes will play a part in that match, but no too large a role. I think that many of the people who would've deliberately anit-voted Pokemon will change to simply not caring about the series, not that this is any better. A lot of the Pokemon hate has died down I think, but I guess I will have to wait until its match to see.

I still have Pokemon in my bracket though. I haven't been able to buy into SO having any kind of significant strength in this contest. The games have sold well yes, but in a match against Pokemon that point becomes moot except to try and prove that SO isn't "cult." I just think that Pokemon has a much higher name recognition, and is fairly popular on GameFAQs. I guess I am still not sure on who will win, but I will stick with Pokemon for now. My biggest question now is MG vs. KH, I don't know why but I am having doubts about the popular choice on this one.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 1:44:26 AM | message detail
predicted results and x-stats! I tried to be conservative on my picks so something doesn't look extremely out of place... it still will though due to all the SFF, particularly SMB/SSB and Zelda/Metroid.

Final Fantasy 50.00
Zelda 47.55
Mario 42.37
Metal Gear 35.07
GTA 32.20
Mario Kart 31.11
Mega Man 30.80
Kingdom Hearts 30.58
Resident Evil 30.44
Halo 30.43
Soul Calibur 28.43
Castlevania 28.21
Diablo 27.00
SSB 24.19
Warcraft 24.19
Metroid 23.45
Mega Man X 22.30
Street Fighter 22.25
Sonic 21.55
Elder Scrolls 18.98
Kirby 16.94
Pokemon 16.56
Fire Emblem 16.52
Harvest Moon 15.77
Devil May Cry 15.46
SIlent Hill 14.98
Star Ocean 14.80
Civilization 14.27
Suikoden 14.05
Dragon Quest 13.76
Shadow Hearts 11.90
Madden 8.94

lol indeed.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 6/13/2006 1:51:44 AM | message detail
I disagree with Mega Man X being THAT far below Mega Man (unless you're saying Zelda will SFF it...?), but if Metal Gear does THAT well on Zelda, I'll be happy.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 1:53:16 AM | message detail
yeah, I would think it would. the core strength of the X series is on the SNES, right? I've never played the X series so I kind of guessed.

if I'm wrong, I'd bump it up a few points obviously.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 6/13/2006 1:54:51 AM | message detail
Well, only the first three games were on SNES, and MMX4 is generally regarded as the best in the series (though the most popular in a contest setting? I dunno. I'd bet on the original).
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greatone10 | Posted 6/13/2006 1:58:22 AM | message detail
Well, most people seem to agree that the later MMX games are nowhere near as good as the first four or five games in the series.
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transience | Posted 6/13/2006 2:02:23 AM | message detail
hmmm... well, given what happened in Link/Mega Man, I'd expect some SFF. I don't think MMX could clear 40% on Zelda assuming no SFF. (nor could anything not called Final Fantasy, for that matter)

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cyko | Posted 6/13/2006 4:26:22 AM | message detail
i still think Star Ocean is gonna be the lowest in the x-stats after Pokemon gets SFF'd by Metroid and Metroid gets SFF'd by Zelda.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 4:43:28 AM | message detail
FACT or Fiction: Zelda will beat Metroid worse than LTTP beat Super Metroid.

I think the scores might be close to each other, but yeah, Fact. It'll probably end up being an SFF beating of Link/Ganon proportions <_<

Fact or FICTION: Final Fantasy would beat Metal Gear worse than FF7 beat MGS.

MGS3 and MGS2 would just about do it. Like the one above, though, the scores would probably be pretty close to each other.

FACT or Fiction: Kingdom Hearts would beat Halo in a game contest.

The name recognition from KHII would carry it through in a close one.

Fact or FICTION: if Star Ocean loses its first round match, it will place last in the stats thanks to double SFF. (Pokemon-Metroid, Metroid-Zelda)

Madden and Shadow Hearts will finish bottom of the stats, but yeah, SO might finish low because of this.

Fact or FICTION: Mario Kart would beat Metroid.

Close one, but no.

FACT or Fiction: we will have our first perfect bracket in this contest.

Fact. I can't see Warcraft pulling the "Diablo-esque" run which would be necessary to kill perfect brackets. Due to the amount of people predicting, they would have to be somebody predicting the right combination of close matches. In terms of sheer probability, it has to happen.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 5:23:43 AM | message detail
Fact or Fiction: 2 or more of the games in this contest will suffer in a bad way because of people thinking it's the original game, not the series (Silent Hill, SMB etc).
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 6/13/2006 5:57:42 AM | message detail
Even though I think this contest is gonna be a dud, I still enjoy these topics. In fact, this is the only part of this idiotic board that doesn't suck ****. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the analysis this season, as well as the genocide of the rest of the worthless idiots on this board.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 6:08:17 AM | message detail
I'm so glad I have the approval of a guy who I've never seen before!
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 6:11:29 AM | message detail
Even though I think this contest is gonna be a dud, I still enjoy these topics. In fact, this is the only part of this idiotic board that doesn't suck ****. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the analysis this season, as well as the genocide of the rest of the worthless idiots on this board.

...Morbo, could you take this?

"GENOCIDE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!"

Thank you Morbo.
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 6/13/2006 6:27:52 AM | message detail
You're welcome.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 7:57:13 AM | message detail
i still think Star Ocean is gonna be the lowest in the x-stats after Pokemon gets SFF'd by Metroid and Metroid gets SFF'd by Zelda.

It probably would ... but it won't be losing to Pokemon. =p

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Tai | Posted 6/13/2006 8:02:25 AM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: Zelda will beat Metroid worse than LTTP beat Super Metroid.

Boy...I see 70%...but for some reason, not 75%. =\ That's probably too generous.

I'll say fiction.

FACT OR FICTION: Final Fantasy would beat Metal Gear worse than FF7 beat MGS.

Fact.

FACT OR FICTION: Kingdom Hearts would beat Halo in a game contest.

Fiction. It might be tempting to pick a console over a PC game not named Starcraft, but when the latter did the best out of all the victims of Starcraft, it's hard to beat that.

FACT OR FICTION: if Star Ocean loses its first round match, it will place last in the stats thanks to double SFF. (Pokemon-Metroid, Metroid-Zelda)

Man. That took me a while to figure out what you meant. So, if Pokemon beats Star Ocean, Metroid should SFF Pokemon, hurting Star Ocean, and then Zelda should beat Metroid, further hurting Star Ocean...right?

I'll say Fact. Will see what happens, but it's definitely probable.

FACT OR FICTION: Mario Kart would beat Metroid.

Hmm....someone's getting SFF. I'll say fiction, but not by much.

FACT OR FICTION: we will have our first perfect bracket in this contest.

There's no such thing as overdue when it comes to perfect brackets. Fiction.


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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 8:04:10 AM | message detail
Mario Kart would get the SFF there, I think.

Nobody responded to my FoFs in this topic !! >_>
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jonthomson | Posted 6/13/2006 8:09:10 AM | message detail
No, RE4 would not do that well on its own. No, I don't think people would be that stupid.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 8:49:31 AM | message detail
Mega Man 30.80
Sonic 21.55


Why do you think that Mega Man games are that much more popular than Sonic games on here? Both of them have similar first round opponents as well...
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 8:52:56 AM | message detail
I think it's obvious he's taking into account SMB/SSB SFF...it's below Diablo, for chrissakes.
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 8:54:01 AM | message detail
Also, a question...assume Kirby was in Star Ocean's place. Who do you take to win in Kirby v. Pokemon?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 8:54:23 AM | message detail
I figured that one when I saw Devil May Cry below Fire Emblem and Harvest Moon.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 8:54:28 AM | message detail
Forgot about that next matchup. I thought he was saying that Sonic gets SFF'd by SSB.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/13/2006 8:55:05 AM | message detail
Kirby, easy.

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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/13/2006 8:55:18 AM | message detail
Hey... you took my board off of the first post. ;_;
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 8:57:17 AM | message detail
I take Kirby easy too, but for some reason I see people giving Pokemon more of a shot against Metroid than Kirby does, which just strikes me as odd. The question being inconsequential, naturally.

Actually, if I was going to have any real 'upsets' per se in this bracket, Kirby > Metroid would be at the top of my list.

So obviously I won't be having any.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 8:59:59 AM | message detail
I wouldn't think of taking Kirby > Metroid. Kirby isn't as popular as Samus on here, and Kirby games definitely aren't as popular as Metroid games. I think people are taking Zelda SFF'ing Metroid games as a sign of weakness for Metroid...
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Quaarma Hunter | Posted 6/13/2006 9:03:42 AM | message detail
I'm obviously not going to take it, but given Samus' history with SFF (not being able to get any on Issac, lackluster showing against Ganon, obliteration by Mario, lackluster performances with her games) I'm tempted to put virtually ANY Nintendo series over Metroid. And moreover Samus just seems to be better liked than her games...the thing is though, Kirby seems the same way.
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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/13/2006 9:05:21 AM | message detail
I demand a response from EGOmaterializerX as soon as he wakes up. I WANT JUSTICE!

(I'm partially joking)
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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 9:16:14 AM | message detail
I could see Metroid having trouble against Nintendo series that are more popular than it (LoZ, SMB, SSB, SMK), but I definitely don't see any other Nintendo series being a threat to it. The Metroid games were pretty strong outside of their SFF losses, and those were to Nintendo powerhouse games. I definitely don't see what's lackluster about a 60-40 match against Ganondorf and a tripling of Isaac, unless you were expecting super-SFF matchups for Samus... It's already clear that Metroid doesn't have SFF power, but it definitely has shown it will hold up to mostly anything not named LoZ or Mario...
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/13/2006 9:29:05 AM | message detail
Also, a question...assume Kirby was in Star Ocean's place. Who do you take to win in Kirby v. Pokemon?

I would take Kirby without much hesitation.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/13/2006 9:46:55 AM | message detail
I demand a response from EGOmaterializerX as soon as he wakes up. I WANT JUSTICE!

(I'm partially joking)


So you don't want justice?
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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/13/2006 9:47:51 AM | message detail
I'm semi-joking in regards to the "EGO" jab.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/13/2006 9:48:38 AM | message detail
Oh.

OBJECTION!

If you wanted justice you woulda said Metroid would win this contest!
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Slowflake | Posted 6/13/2006 9:50:46 AM | message detail
Kirby, with little doubt. The series regroup both games and characters, and while it's hard to pinpoint a single popular Kirby game, Kirby himself is very powerful.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/13/2006 10:05:37 AM | message detail
You asked for the link to be removed a topic or two ago.

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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/13/2006 10:06:51 AM | message detail
I asked for the "(lol cheap plug)" joke to be removed, wiseguy.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/13/2006 10:07:45 AM | message detail
I asked for the "(lol cheap plug)" joke to be removed, wiseguy.

It looked like you were talking about the entire link to me...
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