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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 290
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| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 6:57:22 PM | message detail |
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What? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/11/2006 6:57:59 PM | message detail |
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I wish KotOR was in this. Preferably at the expense of Fire Emblem. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 6:58:57 PM | message detail |
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SM:RPG beat street fighter KotOR ranked close to SM. Elder Scrolls is an RPG only on xbox and PC like KotOR. Elder Scrolls has a recently release whereas Street Fighter has been aging with nothing. I'm not saying its a lock but it should be more debated than it has been. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 6/11/2006 7:00:50 PM | message detail |
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Coincidentally, I made a post in the last topic about how KotOR > SF
> ES. KotOR would destroy ES in a poll, there's no question about
that. It being here instead of ES would've been wonderful. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/11/2006 7:02:38 PM | message detail |
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If's friccin' Star Wars for cryin' out loud. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 7:04:16 PM | message detail |
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Elder Scrolls is an RPG only on xbox and PC like KotOR. Elder Scrolls has a recently release whereas Street Fighter has been aging with nothing. The Elder Scrolls is not Star Wars though. KotOR also was out for nearly a year before the games contest, so it got time to generate more popularity. Also Street Fighter aging means practically nothing. Pac-Man is aging, yet he was still able to beat fan favorite Revolver Ocelot. Elder Scrolls may perform decently since it has its core fans, but it's simply not widespread enough to beat a Street Fighter. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:04:25 PM | message detail |
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Coincidentally, I made a post in the last topic about how KotOR >
SF > ES. KotOR would destroy ES in a poll, there's no question about
that. It being here instead of ES would've been wonderful. With Oblivion recently out, I believe KotOR would beat ES but by a small margin. That said I still don't think there should be a clear favorite in this match. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2006 7:04:58 PM | message detail |
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yoblazer33 Posted 6/11/2006 9:57:59 PM message detail #402 I wish KotOR was in this. Preferably at the expense of Fire Emblem. *loads shotgun* ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:05:26 PM | message detail |
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The Elder Scrolls is not Star Wars though. KotOR also was out for
nearly a year before the games contest, so it got time to generate more
popularity. Elder Scrolls consists of more then Oblivion and has been out longer and able to age longer than KotOR, even if you only start at morrowind. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/11/2006 7:06:06 PM | message detail |
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Not everyone knows about ES. Where as, my grandma knows what the hell Street Fighter is. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/11/2006 7:06:56 PM | message detail |
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alright, HM - you keep saying that Xenogears isn't all that strong
of a competitor or have much of a following. but, i would like to refer
you to the Top 100 List: No, I'm not saying that Xenogears isn't that strong of a competitor or anything like that. I've never tried to undercut Xenogears in popularity, as I told mnm during that argument we had a few days ago. I wasn't even going off of the 20% value it was given in the extrapolated stats; rather, I was assuming it would be higher because of SFF. All that said, I still would take Star Ocean 3 over Xenogears. And, if not, it would be very close. There is none of this "Xenogears wins with ease" stuff because that just never made an ounce of sense. But, as was said a few days ago, there's enough reason to believe Xenogears would win and there's reason to believe Star Ocean would win. We basically just have to wait until the contest begins -- luckily, Star Ocean/Pokemon is early. Star Ocean obviously didn't have enough write-in support, and i highly doubt Star Ocean would have gotten anywhere near that high even if it was on the drop down list. I could definitely see Star Ocean 3 getting pretty high on that list if it had been on the drop down list. I doubt it would have been higher than Xenogears, but it wouldn't have been toward the bottom of the list or anything. I'd definitely imagine a Top 50 placing had it been on there. It actually managed to outperform FFT. Considering this and the Top 100 list, I think it and Pokemon are definitely massively underestimated by stats, and I would definitely take Xeno series over SO series. I would take the Xeno series over Star Ocean, too. Hell, Xeno wouldn't have any trouble at all beating Pokemon, I would wager. So while I would take Star Ocean 3 over Xenogears in a close one, I couldn't take the Xeno series (Xenogears, Xenosaga Episode I, Xenosaga Episode II) over Star Ocean. I sincerely doubt that whole "massively underestimated" bit though. I don't have a doubt that they're underrated, but not massively so. at first, i was seriously worried about Devil May Cry pulling off the upset. ... i do think that the Sonic series will be weaker than Sonic himself, but it should still be enough to take down DMC. i guess. I never understood the appeal of the Devil May Cry upset. The biggest indicator of its strength is Dante, and people never like to reference characters when someone brings up Sonic or Mega Man. I can't imagine something with two great games and one game that people want to forget existed is going to beat something like the Sonic franchise. I can't even picture this being remotely close. --- "So what I'm saying is, if we're gonna cooperate with someone, it might as well be that hot chick over there, know what I mean?" |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:07:02 PM | message detail |
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If's friccin' Star Wars for cryin' out loud. If star wars = instant popular game where are all the other star wars games at? Theres been tons, and a lot of them arn't bad games either. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/11/2006 7:07:45 PM | message detail |
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That makes me think of something. HM, do you still think that something like New Super Mario Bros. would only help Mario, Luigi, and Bowser and wouldn't help out other Nintendo characters at all? This is more theoretical than actual. Pretend that New Super Mario Bros. was the biggest game to hit the industry this year. Tell me if I'm reaching here (and I probably am) but I think most people would agree with you here when you'd say it would help out Link as well, because Zelda has been able to SFF Mario in the past. Now... and here me out here, could KHII then boost Metal Gear/Snake to a lesser extent than it does it's own series/sora? I mean I think everyone agrees that something happened in that match, and I think you'd have to call it SFF, maybe with some PF (pic factor) involved. So... Solid Snake gets SSB:B and Kingdom Hearts II? Solid Snake for champ baby! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2006 7:07:49 PM | message detail |
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From Dilated Chemist Posted 6/11/2006 10:06:06 PM #410 Not everyone knows about ES. Where as, my grandma knows what the hell Street Fighter is. I don't think TES will win by any means, but these same arguments came up during OMG SF2 LOST?! a lot. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/11/2006 7:08:12 PM | message detail |
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If star wars = instant popular game where are all the other star wars games at? Theres been tons, and a lot of them arn't bad games either. It's not just Star Wars. It's Star Wars + a system starved for games. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:08:16 PM | message detail |
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Not everyone knows about ES. Where as, my grandma knows what the hell Street Fighter is. Not everyone knows about Cloud, where as my grandma knows who Mario is. o wate! --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 7:08:53 PM | message detail |
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Elder Scrolls consists of more then Oblivion and has been out longer
and able to age longer than KotOR, even if you only start at morrowind. Elder Scrolls definitely will have to depend on Oblivion's popularity to defeat Street Fighter. Otherwise, it wouldn't even have a chance. KOTOR trumps Morrowind in popularity... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/11/2006 7:09:16 PM | message detail |
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SF was up against Super MARIO RPG. A Nintendo game, that's all I got to say. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/11/2006 7:10:03 PM | message detail |
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Not everyone knows about Cloud, where as my grandma knows who Mario is. ES =/= Cloud --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/11/2006 7:10:31 PM | message detail |
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SF was up against Super MARIO RPG. A Nintendo game, that's all I got to say. A Nintendo/Square game. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/11/2006 7:10:47 PM | message detail |
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Not everyone knows about Cloud, where as my grandma knows who Mario is. You say that as if Cloud won or something. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, FE8, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/11/2006 7:11:15 PM | message detail |
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Thanks for correcting me. But I'd consider it more Nintendo. --- =DC= Chemistry can be a good and bad thing. Chemistry is good when you make love with it. Chemistry is bad when you make crack with it. |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:12:00 PM | message detail |
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You say that as if Cloud won or something. Considering I used mario as an example, I say that as if cloud > mario I only chose Cloud over Link because I figure cloud is less recognized amongst the average person. Yet both are still stronger than the icon everyone knows. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:13:40 PM | message detail |
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SF was up against Super MARIO RPG. A Nintendo game, that's all I got to say. Yet an XBOX/PC game beat it in the rankings. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Lopen | Posted 6/11/2006 7:15:42 PM | message detail |
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Damn you, Tranny, Devil May Cry/Sonic is easily more likely than a few of those! Now my complete list of possible upsets. 1. Kingdom Hearts / Halo (I actually consider Halo the favorite, despite it being an upset by the BOP) 2. Fire Emblem / Silent Hill (total toss up to me) 3. RE / SF 4 Mario Kart / Mega Man 5. Devil May Cry/Sonic 6. Metal Gear / Kingdom Hearts (or Halo) 7. Castlevania / Halo 8. Pokemon / Star Ocean 9. Final Fantasy / Zelda 10. Sonic / SSB 11. Street Fighter / Elder Scrolls 12. Metal Gear / Soul Calibur 13. GTA / Warcraft --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/11/2006 7:16:07 PM | message detail |
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SM:RPG beat street fighter I don't know why people think that is bad. I can't say I would take any Elder Scrolls game over Super Mario RPG or Street Fighter II for that matter. Elder Scrolls is an RPG only on xbox and PC like KotOR. Elder Scrolls has a recently release whereas Street Fighter has been aging with nothing. In its defense, Street Fighter does have two pretty big games coming up with Street Fighter Alpha Anthology and Street Fighter Hyper Fighting on the XBLA. Only one of those will be out by the time the contest starts, but it is something, which can only help this close to the contests beginning. Elder Scrolls doesn't have any type of wide appeal, even to those who like RPGs. It certainly is played by plenty of people, but it's up against Street Fighter of all series. I can't think of one advantage Elder Scrolls has other than having a pretty big hit in Oblivion. It's also notable that there's a big chunk (~75%) of this site that doesn't even own a Xbox 360. --- "So what I'm saying is, if we're gonna cooperate with someone, it might as well be that hot chick over there, know what I mean?" |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:17:34 PM | message detail |
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HM, can you get me sale numbers for KotOR and ES games? Much obliged. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 7:17:50 PM | message detail |
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A Nintendo/Square game. I don't know why people bring up Square so much for Super Mario RPG. I know they helped develop the game, but come on now. It's basically a Mario game. There's nothing that different from it and the other Mario RPG games. Nintendo has gotten other companies to develop for them before. Does it mean that Four Swords/Minish Cap gets Capcom SFF or Star Fox Assault gets Namco SFF? I know it's irrelevant for the most part, but it is a little peeve of mine. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/11/2006 7:19:57 PM | message detail |
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I agree entirely with mnm's last post. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/11/2006 7:22:45 PM | message detail |
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HM, can you get me sale numbers for KotOR and ES games? Much obliged. Knights of the Old Republic sold 1.4 million copies and Oblivion is at 600,000 copies (both in America). I'll have to check a bit more for other Elder Scrolls game sales. --- "So what I'm saying is, if we're gonna cooperate with someone, it might as well be that hot chick over there, know what I mean?" |
| Lopen | Posted 6/11/2006 7:26:44 PM | message detail |
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And for the record, I don't think Elder Scrolls/Street Fighter is going
to be like Pac-Man/Ocelot at all. (whoever said that... I think EC) I'm
making a bold comparison
(in italics!) that it'll be more akin to M. Bison/Albedo. A match that
has a few talkers of an upset, but will ultimately end up with the
challenger flopping hard. It's got all the ingredients to flop. A primarily PC RPG, that gets console backup in the form of games for the X-Box. And I, like others, am a bit worried about the title "the Elder Scrolls". Doesn't seem instantly relatable to the series like other series names are. but these same arguments came up during OMG SF2 LOST?! a lot What the hell? Why would people say this for a Mario title? That's silly. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:29:14 PM | message detail |
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It's got all the ingredients to flop. A primarily PC RPG, that gets
console backup in the form of games for the X-Box. And I, like others,
am a bit worried about the title "the Elder Scrolls". Doesn't seem
instantly relatable to the series like other series names are. I point out again that this situation is similiar to KotOR which according to the xstats is ahead of SFII, the defining SF game. I'm not saying it's clear cut or ES has the advantage, I'm just saying its being underestimated. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:30:39 PM | message detail |
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a bit worried about the title "the Elder Scrolls". Doesn't seem instantly relatable to the series like other series names are. ... well minus that part. I will admit that is a problem. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Lopen | Posted 6/11/2006 7:42:04 PM | message detail |
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A few reasons why I think KotoR would lose to SF2, and by a pretty
decent amount. (Others and myself have already gone over most/all of
these, I'll resummarize them here) 1. SF2 is likely underestimated in the X-Stats. Due to a SFF match that SMRPG had with CT in the next round. 2. In addition, KotoR is probably overestimated in the X-Stats due to facing Vice City. It probably got a good deal of anti-votes due to facing GTA. (which tend to make more of an impact on Extrapolated strength at bigger strength difference, I think... correct me if I'm wrong) 3. Would you take KotoR to get 44% on SMRPG? I wouldn't. I, like others, am tired of people saying "OMG only 44% on SMRPG" like it's a bad thing. 4. Star Wars, baby. That helps the game get more sales/recognition/fans alone. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:47:41 PM | message detail |
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1. SF2 is likely underestimated in the X-Stats. Due to a SFF match that SMRPG had with CT in the next round. SFF gets thrown around too much these days in circumstances where there will obviously be sum shared fanbase... their always will. This is a much where the SFF would be minimal at best. 2. In addition, KotoR is probably overestimated in the X-Stats due to facing Vice City. It probably got a good deal of anti-votes due to facing GTA. (which tend to make more of an impact on Extrapolated strength at bigger strength difference, I think... correct me if I'm wrong) I have yet to see a match prove anti voting of anything exsists to a degree where it actually means something. 3. Would you take KotoR to get 44% on SMRPG? I wouldn't. I, like others, am tired of people saying "OMG only 44% on SMRPG" like it's a bad thing. Yes I would take KotOR to do more than that and It's not a bad thing. I actually called SMRPG as a lock and was suprised it was being debated so much. 4. Star Wars, baby. That helps the game get more sales/recognition/fans alone. If ES still sells as much as the KotOR(just the first since it was the only one out at the time), which I believe it will be closer counting all ES games than you think, then I really don't think this amounts to much. Star Wars in the title might make it sell better, but I highly doubt it would make a significant number of people like it more. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| outback | Posted 6/11/2006 7:51:00 PM | message detail |
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If you hadn't played either game, but were a huge fan of star wars,
you'd definitely vote for the series with Star Wars in its name. --- Don't quote me. - Blulum øütßá©k |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 7:53:46 PM | message detail |
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If you hadn't played either game, but were a huge fan of star wars,
you'd definitely vote for the series with Star Wars in its name. I'd actually vote based on genre before something like that. Theres tons of other ways the votes of people who played neither series could go. Vote totals are lower on such matches, theres the pic vote, bracket voting, people who would base it on genre, theres just so many random ways the person could choose. Attributing any of them to be a decent portion of any titles strength is rediculous. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| transience | Posted 6/11/2006 7:58:37 PM | message detail |
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If you hadn't played either game, but were a huge fan of Mario, you'd definitely vote for the series with Mario in its name. goes both ways. --- xyzzy |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 8:00:58 PM | message detail |
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goes both ways. His point is ES has nothing to draw from like that. Which would be valid if that arguement amounted to more than a hundred votes or so. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 8:10:07 PM | message detail |
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His point is ES has nothing to draw from like that. Which would be
valid if that arguement amounted to more than a hundred votes or so. Elder Scrolls doesn't have the fanbase to draw those types of votes. Everyone knows about Street Fighter. You don't have to be a fan to give it a vote. I can't see any reason for Elder Scrolls to get a vote against Street Fighter outside of those who are fans of the ES series. And I maintain that fanbase simply isn't that large on this site... I could only see if somebody disliked Street Fighter and wanted to stick with an RPG or something, but that's another story in itself. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| creativename | Posted 6/11/2006 8:21:34 PM | message detail |
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| outback | Posted 6/11/2006 8:25:35 PM | message detail |
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No, my point was that you can't extrapolate TES's strength from KotOR because KotOR has the star wars factor to help it along. --- Don't quote me. - Blulum øütßá©k |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 8:28:08 PM | message detail |
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Elder Scrolls doesn't have the fanbase to draw those types of votes.
Everyone knows about Street Fighter. You don't have to be a fan to give
it a vote. I can't see any reason for Elder Scrolls to get a vote
against Street Fighter outside of those who are fans of the ES series.
And I maintain that fanbase simply isn't that large on this site... I
could only see if somebody disliked Street Fighter and wanted to stick
with an RPG or something, but that's another story in itself. Oblivions sales are nearly half of KotOR all ready, thats not even counting Morrowind. To say that isn't enough to have fans here to have a fanbase equivalent to KotOR is foolish. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 8:31:25 PM | message detail |
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No, my point was that you can't extrapolate TES's strength from KotOR because KotOR has the star wars factor to help it along. That is exactly what I was saying. You think the Star Wars factor will get it the votes of those who have played neither series. Those votes are so slim and distributed through so many random factors (pic, genre, franchise, bracket) that each individual one amounts to very little. Meaning having Star Wars in the game might help it get distributed to more people (the form of sales) which gives it potential to do better. However I believe the sales of KotOR arn't that much greater than the combined sales of Morrowind and Oblivion. Meaning the simply voting for it because it says Star Wars will probably amount to no more than a couple hundred votes. --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/11/2006 8:33:38 PM | message detail |
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Oblivions sales are nearly half of KotOR all ready, thats not even
counting Morrowind. To say that isn't enough to have fans here to have
a fanbase equivalent to KotOR is foolish. Game sales =/= fanbase on this site. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 8:45:04 PM | message detail |
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Game sales =/= fanbase on this site. No it isn't. But show me how we know that Elder Scrolls doesn't have much of a fanbase? --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/11/2006 8:47:23 PM | message detail |
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Well for one, its an Xbox game, and Xbox games usually get screwed over on this site. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/11/2006 8:51:35 PM | message detail |
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Are the seedings available anywhere? Not officially. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| Samurai7 | Posted 6/11/2006 8:52:04 PM | message detail |
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Well for one, its an Xbox game, and Xbox games usually get screwed over on this site. Once again I point to KotOR. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2299 Not a bad % when KHII was on the poll, and ES doesn't need to be anywhere near as strong as KH to stand a chance against SFII. 15 Kingdom Hearts 34.70% 26 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 27.71% 30 Street Fighter II 24.08% --- Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/11/2006 8:54:25 PM | message detail |
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Alright, I shoulda said MOST Xbox games get screwed over. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |