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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/10/2006 1:17:55 PM | message detail
As long as they have the correct title and the correct links, then it shouldn't matter who posts it.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:20:54 PM | message detail
But then we have several people trying to claim that their topic is the REAL topic, and they'll keep repeatedly bumping their topic, like one jerkwad did last year.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:22:32 PM | message detail
Shake isn't the only one that gets annoyed when people say this topic is "mine". Solar will nevar be forgotten !!

As long as some moron troll isn't making the topic (the whole reason I kept getting pissed two years ago was because the board was flooded with stat topics every time one hit 500, most of which were made by people solely trying to annoy me), I don't really care who it is anymore. This thing became a group effort over a year ago, though the whole "400 posts if Ulti isn't around" thing is still a bit of an unwritten rule for whatever reason.

Probably because I always make the next topic when the current one hits 400 and I'm here <_<

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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/10/2006 1:23:24 PM | message detail
But then we have several people trying to claim that their topic is the REAL topic, and they'll keep repeatedly bumping their topic, like one jerkwad did last year.

That's not really moddable (as long it's not mass bumping) either, is it?
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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/10/2006 1:24:42 PM | message detail
"But then we have several people trying to claim that their topic is the REAL topic"

Only one person will be able to make the topic with the correct title, so just use that one.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:25:37 PM | message detail
That's not really moddable (as long it's not mass bumping) either, is it?

Back during the stat topic floods, plenty of people were modded for it.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:27:35 PM | message detail
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#029 Can we please not turn the first few pages of this stats topic into discussion about who makes a stats topic and personal vendettas with Ulti? Hopefully this will be the last post dealing with it...


Yeah why are we even talking about this in the first place? It's beyond old news.

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Guess how many teens | Posted 6/10/2006 1:27:36 PM | message detail
Halo- Kingdom Hearts could get close, but I thinkKH2 will be a big boost for KH, if you see how much KH is selling these days...
But KH2 won't be out in europe, while all the current Halo games are out in europe..
Still I think it'll be something like 56-44 for KH
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:27:59 PM | message detail
Vincent : Kerrigan :: Grand Theft Auto : Warcraft

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:29:33 PM | message detail
Only one person will be able to make the topic with the correct title, so just use that one.

Actually, if I wanted to, I could make this exact same topic title even while this one is still up. It's possible.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:30:44 PM | message detail
You and your glitches.

What sucks is that hiko is a good guy, and you all act like he did something wrong =p

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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/10/2006 1:31:09 PM | message detail
Front page'd
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:31:53 PM | message detail
Vincent : Kerrigan :: Grand Theft Auto : Warcraft

Is that REALLY a fair comparison? Come on now, Vincent is ****ing FF7. GTA ain't gonna get no tripling on Warcraft. Doubling, sure its possible, but thats about it.
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Guess how many teens | Posted 6/10/2006 1:32:44 PM | message detail
Vincent : Kerrigan :: Grand Theft Auto : Warcraft
No.
This is completely different <_<
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:32:52 PM | message detail
lol its cause I've been posting here for only about a year so far, and these guys ain't quite used to me in the Stats topic prolly. Whatever works.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 1:33:04 PM | message detail
Come on now, Aeris is ****ing FF7.

Fixed.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:33:38 PM | message detail
Heh, I was just messing with him. I honestly don't care who makes it either, but I'd rather avoid the annoyance of mass stat topics by having SOMEBODY make it before 500.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:35:09 PM | message detail
Whoa whoa whoa, why the Aeris hostility man? Pardon my horrible memory, but uhh...whats the last poll she disappointed in again anyhow?
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:35:45 PM | message detail
Yeah I gotcha Leon. 400 is a pretty good mark though.
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FFaddict1313 | Posted 6/10/2006 1:40:06 PM | message detail
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 6/10/2006 4:27:59 PM | #059
Vincent : Kerrigan :: Grand Theft Auto : Warcraft

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No... just... no.

Vincent is from easily the most popular game on GF. GTA is, at best, decently popular on GF. Don't forget that CJ got his ass kicked by freaking Ness, and ercetti didn't do very well himself.

I could just as easily claim that Warcraft=Starcraft. I personally find SC to be a vastly better comparison. WoW is extremely popular, and even if it isn't meant to be part of it, it still is a great factor. And remember: Rallying is extremely for people on WoW.

I definitely expect Warcraft to win because of not only GTA's weakness, but its strength.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:41:38 PM | message detail
Perhaps I need to bold this because people keep doing it:

Stop making a correlation between Grand Theft Auto's characters and its games. There is none.

How many times does GTA have to win GotY around here to tell you that?
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:41:59 PM | message detail
Heh, Ulti probably just posted that to stir **** up >_>
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:42:29 PM | message detail
Stop making a correlation between Grand Theft Auto's and Halo's characters and its games. There is none.

lol addition'd
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:44:20 PM | message detail
I suppose that counts, too, but I don't see anybody saying anything about Master Chief as a reason why Halo could lose. I continuously have to hear about Vercetti's struggles and CJ losing to Ness when it's totally irrelevant.

Grand Theft Auto is about gameplay, folks. Not characters. Vice City lost by less than 5000 votes to Board 8's beloved SSBM, and San Andreas is arguably more popular than THAT.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:45:10 PM | message detail
I hear all sorts of MC/Frog, and "omg MC suxs in da Flood Division" stuff all the time m'self.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:46:20 PM | message detail
Vice City lost by less than 5000 votes to Board 8's beloved SSBM

You know, that could be a good argument to use in support of Sonic going over SSB, really.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:46:23 PM | message detail
Which is odd considering Master Chief could probably beat any Castlevania character you throw at him.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:48:01 PM | message detail
Could he beat Alucard in the height of his popularity?
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:48:57 PM | message detail
That's an irrelevant question. Could he beat him NOW?
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Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 1:50:34 PM | message detail
I'd take the Master Chief of now over Alucard at the peak of his popularity, regardless of the irrelevance of the question.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 6/10/2006 1:51:19 PM | message detail
There are legitimate reasons to take Warcraft over GTA, but I don't think vote rallying should be one of them.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/10/2006 1:51:56 PM | message detail
I suppose that counts, too, but I don't see anybody saying anything about Master Chief as a reason why Halo could lose. I continuously have to hear about Vercetti's struggles and CJ losing to Ness when it's totally irrelevant.

To be fair, while the Chief's never exactly lived up to casual expectations, he's also never out-and out disappointed to the degree that Carl did. Tommy... well, it could go either way depending on your view.

In any case, I'd think that the Chief would be more representative of the Halo series as a whole than any of the GTA mains would for their series. Still, as people have pointed out, games =/= series.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:52:59 PM | message detail
Exactly. There is no single character who defines the Grand Theft Auto series. Characters aren't important to GTA.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 1:55:30 PM | message detail
Yeah, that Alucard/MC question was more of a rhetorical thing then anything else really. Regardless, if pre-Halo 2 can struggle with Starcraft and ALMOST beat it....it can definitely overcome a decreasing Castlevania. But could it possibly beat Kingdom Hearts? Because honestly, I could see that match going either way.
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outback | Posted 6/10/2006 1:56:15 PM | message detail
I think that GTA's performance in the Games contest is more than enough to put it over Warcraft.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 2:00:02 PM | message detail
You know, that could be a good argument to use in support of Sonic going over SSB, really.

And a Sonic game wouldn't get 37% on FFVII. Sonic himself got doubled up by Cloud... And people talk about him as an embodiment of his series <_<
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 2:00:49 PM | message detail
Welp, I'm gonna leave for a party now. See ya in about 5 or so hours >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 3:32:03 PM | message detail
You don't have to post more just because you made the topic. It'll hit 500 no matter what you do =p

GTA is, at best, decently popular on GF. Don't forget that CJ got his ass kicked by freaking Ness, and ercetti didn't do very well himself.

Board 8's opinion on GTA is nowhere near what the site as a whole thinks of it. GTA is very popular here.

And games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters. Games =/= characters.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 3:56:16 PM | message detail
Fact or Fiction (OMG my first one lozl): Castlevania will break 47.5% on Halo.

Fiction.

Castlevania will not ever get close to challenging Halo in this match. It's one of those that I just don't understand why people have a hard time deciding. We likely saw Castlevania's strongest game (Symphony of the Night) in the games contest, we saw that Halo : Combat Evolved was far stronger than it (17% or so, I believe). That does not even include Halo 2, which I think is at least as strong as Halo. That one is just a no brainer for me.

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transience | Posted 6/10/2006 4:42:50 PM | message detail
considering that both Goldeneye and SOTN performed very well (#7 and #15, I think?) on The List, you have to believe that there was some SFF in OOT/GE. I would not trust SOTN's x-stat value at all. Perfect Dark also did pretty good - top 50. that entire fourpack is underrated in my opinion.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/10/2006 4:45:50 PM | message detail
With Alucard's sucky day vote, I don't really have any faith in it to go against Halo's strong day vote.
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transience | Posted 6/10/2006 4:53:41 PM | message detail
that goes two ways though - "with Halo's sucky night vote, I don't really have any faith in it to go against Castlevania's strong night vote."

I think Castlevania/Halo is a lot closer than most people seem to in here... I don't have a good argument for picking Castlevania though. I definitely think Castlevania has a chance though.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 6/10/2006 4:54:42 PM | message detail
Yes, but a lot more votes come in the day than at night.

But I still look forward to Castlevania getting an early lead in the first 3 hours. If it can't even do THAT though, it's in serious trouble
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Big Bob | Posted 6/10/2006 4:59:01 PM | message detail
This contest will be the first clue to how well the DS is going to affect the contest.

KCC came out right before 2k5, and that ended up being Kirby's best year. >.>
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/10/2006 4:59:38 PM | message detail
We likely saw Castlevania's strongest game (Symphony of the Night) in the games contest, we saw that Halo : Combat Evolved was far stronger than it (17% or so, I believe). That does not even include Halo 2, which I think is at least as strong as Halo. That one is just a no brainer for me.

It could be a case of the whole being stronger than the individual parts. I mean, Castlevania covers a long time, more than one genre, pretty much every system since it started out... I have no problem believing that Castlevania as a whole would be stronger than any individual title in the series.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 5:13:45 PM | message detail
considering that both Goldeneye and SOTN performed very well (#7 and #15, I think?) on The List, you have to believe that there was some SFF in OOT/GE. I would not trust SOTN's x-stat value at all. Perfect Dark also did pretty good - top 50. that entire fourpack is underrated in my opinion.

While this is true, it's certainly not going to be enough to make up that gap. I wouldn't take Goldeneye to beat Halo, not even get all that close. I can understand why one would think that SotN is a underrated in the stats, but it still is a ways behind Halo no matter how you look at it -- that doesn't take into account Halo 2 either. I never really viewed Castlevania as a really big franchise here, despite its long history, so combining them all together doesn't do as much for me as it would others. I would only imagine a couple of other games from Castlevania not being closer to fodder.

I think Castlevania/Halo is a lot closer than most people seem to in here... I don't have a good argument for picking Castlevania though. I definitely think Castlevania has a chance though.

I'm not sure how the general opinion in here is, but I actually think most people would be shocked at how much Halo wins by (oh yes, confidence) in the end. It's tough for me to see this being all that close.

It could be a case of the whole being stronger than the individual parts. I mean, Castlevania covers a long time, more than one genre, pretty much every system since it started out... I have no problem believing that Castlevania as a whole would be stronger than any individual title in the series.

I would imagine that the entire series is stronger than one single game from that series. They are numerous enough and varied enough to have that added strength over its strongest game. Still, I can't say that combining them is going to make it into something all that impressive. Outside of Alucard, who gets his popularity from SotN, Castlevania has not been a franchise that seems capable of beating Halo.

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creativename | Posted 6/10/2006 5:27:36 PM | message detail
I'm surprised that Pokemon is such a big favorite over Star Ocean. Though after thinking about it more I suppose people are right.

I'm almost clueless on this Fire Emblem/Silent Hill match. What a crappy match too. Why couldn't Madden have gone against one of these two?

I can see GTA beating Warcraft without any trouble, and understand why people call Warcraft overhyped. However I've been a believer in Warcraft's strength for years (long before WoW), and I've never had much confidence in GTA.

(though I have to say the vote rallying thing is unimportant; to win you have to rely mainly on intrinsic strength, vote rallying will rarely be a factor because it requires a coincidence of close strengths to begin with)

Mega Man vs. Mario Kart is a hell of a 1st round match. Mario Kart must've been hurt by split Mario series nominations; it deserves better seeding than that. It would trounce stuff like Fire Emblem, Silent Hill, etc. I'd pick it over Devil May Cry and maybe Sonic even.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 5:31:43 PM | message detail
Halo definitely won't win decisively. I can't see it getting over 60%. Neither Halo nor Master Chief have ever blown anything out on this site. Even CATS got over 30% of the votes. Castlevania is a great alternative for people who aren't really big Halo fans. Castlevania will definitely rake in the votes. But I don't think thats enough to withstand the Halo fanbase on this site.

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Big Bob | Posted 6/10/2006 5:31:58 PM | message detail
Super Mario Bros. is gonna break 90% on Madden.
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ESY16 | Posted 6/10/2006 5:36:17 PM | message detail
Mega Man vs. Mario Kart is a hell of a 1st round match.

I completely agree with this, MM vs. MK is probably the first round match that I have spent the most time thinking about. For some reason I really can't decide who I think will win.

First off, I would like to agree that I think Halo will beat Castlevania (although this saddens me a great deal). However, I think that some people are making a mistake in judging Halo's strength. A lot of people have been posting stuff like "...and that doesn't even count Halo 2." The thing is that the Halo series in general won't gain too many votes with Halo 2. I would agree that Halo 2 is probably close to Halo's strength (although not quite there) but the thing is that there is probably a huge overlap of fans. The people who like Halo 2 and would vote for it are the same people who have voted for the first Halo. I would agree that Halo will probably have a jump thanks to Halo 2, but it is probably going to be pretty small. Anyways, it really doesn't matter since I definitely can't see Halo or Castlevania being able to beat Kingdom Hearts.
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