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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 289

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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 12:23:43 PM | message detail
I got the next topic.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:24:25 PM | message detail
Contest time, by design, is different. There is something going on that gets people to keep comming back.

I'll definitely agree to that. Why else would the voter turnout increase by 20%+ during a contest? More people stick around. More people tell their friends. More people care.
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:24:53 PM | message detail
<_<....whoops
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 12:26:02 PM | message detail
...Or maybe I don't.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:27:04 PM | message detail
I really need to start archiving some of my posts for my write-ups. I'm wearing myself out... <_<
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:27:11 PM | message detail
*Thumbs up, cheesy smile*
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:27:36 PM | message detail
Archiving, meh.
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Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:30:46 PM | message detail
But Chichiri is just simply echoing what I along with many others feel about the match as well. Just because we haven't seen Mario Kart directly in a match doesn't mean we can't have a feel on how it will perform...

Sure you can, I think Mario Kart will do very well myself. It is a good series. But claiming to know it will win is impossible, so why do it?

And why put a quote from me about FR vs FFTA in italics and then talk about Mario Kart? I still don't get that. Do you? I'm honestly asking for someone to spell it out for me.

~Shake
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Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 12:32:23 PM | message detail
More people cheat, too... though that's hopefully only a few thousand votes. More people stick around, for sure... but I'd still be surprised if ~20-30k of those votes weren't from random people who just pop in to get an FAQ and vote on a match while they're here.

And even if they do come everyday, it's the people who are actively following the contest that will be more likely to stop and think about voting Mega Man before just voting it on instinct.

The Wedgie r goign to crush SMAUS! He r teh greeeeen Mah-riooooo, he r teh smashinatorz!!!

More analogies... bleagh!! *collapses*
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Raiden is still [!!] nominations short!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244
Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:33:01 PM | message detail
Yeah, that's about what I remember from the last time we had an argument about something having reason to get full carryover in strength from another contestant.

Again with the full carryovr stuff. Who the hell is arguing that? Are you just making up people or did I miss someone? Very possible, since I'm watching a great football mach, but I still get the feeling you mean Leon and me, while we've never ever said that.

XD

~Shake
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Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius.
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:34:51 PM | message detail
Sure you can, I think Mario Kart will do very well myself. It is a good series. But claiming to know it will win is impossible, so why do it?

Can't speak for Chichiri, but I sure as hell don't know if it'll win. It's the underdog. I'm treating it as such. If you put a gun to my head and say "name the winner," I say "Mega Man." However, I feel that this is hands-down the best risk of the contest. The upset potential is definitely there. We've never had a contest where every result went directly as planned, and I doubt this one will be the first.
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:35:51 PM | message detail
Mario Kart/Mega Man has lots of cheating votes potential as well though, if you dwelve into it enough.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:36:22 PM | message detail
I think Halo/anything has the most cheating potential. =P
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:36:35 PM | message detail
And why put a quote from me about FR vs FFTA in italics and then talk about Mario Kart? I still don't get that. Do you? I'm honestly asking for someone to spell it out for me.

Huh? Was that to me? In the post that you made that comment about Chichiri's crystal ball, you were talking about Mario Kart...
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:37:42 PM | message detail
Can't speak for Chichiri, but I sure as hell don't know if it'll win. It's the underdog. I'm treating it as such. If you put a gun to my head and say "name the winner," I say "Mega Man." However, I feel that this is hands-down the best risk of the contest. The upset potential is definitely there. We've never had a contest where every result went directly as planned, and I doubt this one will be the first.

I agree completely, except that I found a different pick I myself found a better 'risk.'

But I even named Mario Kart in my 'better upset picks then Star Ocean' list.

I have no idea how this discussion got so derailed. I blame Chichi.

~Shake
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Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius.
Janus5000 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:41:18 PM | message detail
You people and your possible risks.
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transience | Posted 6/10/2006 12:43:25 PM | message detail
yeah, Janus beats the hell out of all of us when it comes to risks. he's like "MK over MM, a risk? I pity the foo."
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XIII_rocks | Posted 6/10/2006 12:43:59 PM | message detail
*discusses*

Oh, I got the next one, btw.

Better?
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 12:45:42 PM | message detail
No. It only becomes relevant when we get to 400 posts of the most recent topic and Ulti isn't around.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:48:07 PM | message detail
You know, people seem to think that because Mega Man is a Noble-niner and a clear cut favorite over many characters that his series is also a "Noble-nine" series and people consider it as such. When it comes down to series, I don't see how Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros. can't be considered up there with other series in terms of popularity...

As far as series are concerned, Nintendo has been:

Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Metroid, etc. So why is Mario Kart suddenly getting discounted as a series vs. Mega Man? I mean, I think it would be sensible to think that it's at least a toss up. I think people find safety in taking Mega Man since he's a popular character. But we have no way of gauging Mario Kart's series in popularity vs. Mega Man the character....

I just happen to think that Sonic 2/SMW is a horrible omen about how different games go vs. characters...
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:48:35 PM | message detail
"Again with the full carryovr stuff. Who the hell is arguing that?"

You're arguing that it'll get a hell of a lot more than any other contestant before it. Full just happens to be much easier to say than all of that.

"Can't speak for Chichiri, but I sure as hell don't know if it'll win."

Feel free. I never claimed to know that MK is going to win. Shake's just as bad as I am about putting words intot he mouths of others.

"I blame Chichi."

You always do. Like I said before, its been your personal crusade for a long time.
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Yesmar | Posted 6/10/2006 12:57:02 PM | message detail
Really? It has held up on every occssion. Never, NEVER, has the full strength of one contestant carried over to another. Not a single one. Why is it you expect them to magically do so now? The voters have shown time and time again that they are concious of the contest and they have voted more according to actual likes and dislikes rather than any sentiment of brand loyalty.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629

~Shake


Why does this prove anything? Just because YOU don't think FFTA should be that popular? We've seen nothing to refute this result or prove that there's anything wrong with it.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 12:59:10 PM | message detail
There have always been a lot of people who thought that FFTA won on name value alone. Of course, this is because Board 8 portrays it as one of the most despised games ever, while a lot of the gaming world doesn't look at it that way.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:59:45 PM | message detail
"We've seen nothing to refute this result or prove that there's anything wrong with it."

But it gives him hope, hope that I'm wrong. He needs that hope, so don't take it away from him, or his little ego might get hurt.
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Detective in Sir Chris' Police
swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 1:31:10 PM | message detail
We need to post these topics later than post 400, people forget that this isnt closed
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TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/10/2006 1:33:11 PM | message detail
FRONT PAGE'D
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swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 1:33:36 PM | message detail
So...yeah...how about Battle.net spamming Diablo to victory over FF?

*tumbleweed rolls by*

;_;
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso
SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:34:39 PM | message detail
It's the equivalent of expecting Jay Solano to vote rally a victory over Link.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 1:38:02 PM | message detail
Is it safe to assume you guys dont care about this one anymore and want to let it purge?
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/10/2006 1:41:56 PM | message detail
Will the bracket, being on the first page, mean anything in regards to recognizing between X and the original?
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DomaDragoon | Posted 6/10/2006 1:48:19 PM | message detail
So...yeah...how about Battle.net spamming Diablo to victory over FF?

Not even if it was Diablo's best pic against Benjamin from FFMQ, with rallying in every section of B.net, on their peak day, and the poll moved to the bottom of the page.

Will the bracket, being on the first page, mean anything in regards to recognizing between X and the original?

Considering that MMX appears first in the bracket, I'd like to think it'll be obvious to bracketmakers. As far as the poll goes, well, that may depend on the match pics and how obvious it is that they're separate. After all, Ceej could very easily just use the covers of games in the series, couldn't he?
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 1:58:50 PM | message detail
I really want to see how CJayC approaches pictures for this contest. We could see some of the best we've ever seen if he does it right.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 2:00:30 PM | message detail
Some GTA talk is brewing on the other topic. May as well try and migrate it over here.

Personally, other than 90% of GTA's strength being congregated to one system, I don't see any weaknesses in this series. Such a shame that it will be fed to the wolves in Round 2. Some people are banking on a possible Warcraft upset, and while I put it on the brink of reality, it simply seems far too unlikely.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 2:01:47 PM | message detail
I said (and I know I wasn't the only one) that Grand Theft Auto would be one of the most underrated series in this contest, and after looking at the board's reaction to it, I think I'm right.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 2:02:41 PM | message detail
VC/SSBM basicially confirms that GTA will dismantle WC handily.
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso
therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 2:03:43 PM | message detail
That's why we were pushing for GTA/Metal Gear/Chrono/SSB. That's about as unpredictable as you can get in this contest.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 2:05:02 PM | message detail
Not really, I can't see GTA losing to Metal Gear at all.
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso
therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 2:06:36 PM | message detail
Well I should say as compared to how predictable this current bracket is...
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 2:06:42 PM | message detail
I could see Metal Gear winning that matchup, though I think I'd favor GTA, if it came down to it.
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Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die.
Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory.
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 2:07:24 PM | message detail
One of the big arguments for Metal Gear was that it's games were more "spread out." Whereas all three of the big GTA games made their biggest impact on the PS2, the MG series had a huge hit on the PS1. A decent point, but I don't think it would have been enough to change the outcome. All three big GTA games have proven their popularity on many occasions.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/10/2006 2:08:28 PM | message detail
How so? We saw Vice City do a little better than MGS2 on SSBM. I could see the MG series being a lot stronger than that since MGS2 isn't the biggest game in that series, whereas VC and SA both seem to fuel the GTA series. As far as I can tell, one is not significantly stronger than the other (though I'd take SA over VC).
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Xbox 360 melts disks!
And people made jokes about the PS3 being a grill. ~bokunokuso
MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/10/2006 2:09:37 PM | message detail
SA handily beat MGS3 in the GotY poll.

FFT gave MGS a nailbiter.

I'd go with GTA in a close one, personally.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 2:33:08 PM | message detail
San Andreas:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1876
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1872

Vice City:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134 (lol Warcraft 3)
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1133
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1130

GTA III:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=776
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=775

There is indeed a difference in the performances of the GTA games in the game of the year polls. GTA:VC barely lost to Metroid Prime while GTA:SA crushed Metroid Prime 2. And seeing how Metroid Prime 2 went up in percentage with the absence of the other Nintendo games, it's safe to say that the Nintendo fanbase backed Metroid Prime 2. Plus there's the fact that GTA:SA placed 11th on the Top Games list vs. #35 for Vice City. San Andreas is much more popular on this site.

And for those talking about Warcraft 3 in the Warcraft/GTA discussion, take a look at that Vice City final poll.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 2:37:51 PM | message detail
And note that GTA III and San Andreas both beat respective Metal Gear Solid games in thos PS2 GotY polls, granted MGS2 is hurt by the presence of FFX. MGS3 has no such excuse. And the bottom line is that the GTA fanbase on this site is just as big, if not bigger than the MGS fanbase. Warcraft shouldn't even be in the equation.
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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6
Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 2:46:26 PM | message detail
I think people have this mental roadblock in that they assume GTA is too casual and too different from what GameFAQs traditionally favors to ever have true success in a contest. The reality is simple; the last three GTA games have been absolute monsters on this site.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 2:48:18 PM | message detail
People can't seem to differentiate between what Board 8 thinks of GTA and what the entire site as a whole thinks of GTA.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Master Moltar | Posted 6/10/2006 2:51:47 PM | message detail
I'm already sick of hearing about GTA/Warcraft. IMO, it's quickly turning into Vincent/Kerrigan II because of how people are overestimating Warcraft's chances just cause itz teh Bliizard. Really, all that's needed is the VC/SSBM poll and a GotY poll, because common sense tells us that StarCraft =/= Warcraft.
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Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin.
yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 2:53:50 PM | message detail
I'm already sick of hearing about GTA/Warcraft. IMO, it's quickly turning into Vincent/Kerrigan II because of how people are overestimating Warcraft's chances just cause itz teh Bliizard.

I don't think it's that extreme. Maybe a few desperate people are looking for an upset and (being too scared to pick Mario Kart or Halo) have resorted to grasping straws?
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Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right.
DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 6/10/2006 2:55:14 PM | message detail
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Phil Collins | Posted 6/10/2006 2:58:19 PM | message detail
Not necessarily, Moltar. And omghi2u <3.

It all boils down to one question, as any of the numbered Warcraft games clearly won't be of much help: Is World of Warcraft stronger then the GTA franchise?

I don't like the odds for WoW here, but there's a slim chance.

~Shake
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Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius.