GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 289
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| Tai | Posted 6/10/2006 11:49:30 AM | message detail |
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Please explain it to my stupid ass, because I'm not so content with
the "Mega Man fanbase is united" argument, considering we've NEVER seen
that before. Neither am I, since the fanbase couldn't get a game in for SP2K4 or Fall 2005. The fact that now there's MMX as a different entity in the tourney from MM also is a cuase for concern. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/10/2006 11:49:41 AM | message detail |
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How the hell do people imply that there will be any kind of SFF between
Pokemon and Metroid? Apart from sharing a console, they're about as
different a pair of series as you can get... Besides, Pokemon rSFFing Metroid would be truly horrible and a black day for GameFAQs. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 11:49:41 AM | message detail |
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yeah, the racing game. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:51:23 AM | message detail |
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Apart from sharing a console I think FFVII/MGS and OoT/GE proved that's all you need. And I never would've guessed that pod racing game would've been one of the top 10 most popular N64 games. That means 3 of the top 10 sellers are non-tradtional racers. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 11:51:30 AM | message detail |
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He's asking why Final Fantasy doesn't get votes that Final Fantasy 7 got in the game
contest. It's pretty clear that Final Fantasy isn't Final Fantasy 7,
it's in division 8, with the other NES games. I mean, I sure as hell
wouldn't even be making the case that Mega Man 2 (game) would be
getting votes from Mega Man X (game). With series, it's far more ambiguous. In addition, Mega Man X's series is a lot more like like Mega Man's than Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy are. Not to say Final Fantasy won't have "inner series unity". Final Fantasy will definitely get votes from FFTactics fans. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 11:51:48 AM | message detail |
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No one stepped up to refute this? Okay, Shake, so why doesn't this
work for Final Fantasy? Why is it that FF1 is so far below all the
others instead of being voted for like it was FF7. I mean, hell,
there's only the tiny little difference of a single number, just like
the letter X and MM, so why don't people vote for it like it's FF7? Picture the poll on the main page. Mega Man or Mega ManX is in a match. You don't need to look at the bracket in order to vote. You don't even need to know there are two MegaMan entries in the contest. All it says is "Best. Series. Ever." and oh lukky thar, it's Mega Man. And I said it works for FF as well. For instance, I'm sure that someone who doesn't care about the numbered Final Fantasies but considers FFT his favorite game (Although it's officially a different series) will still vote for Final Fantasy. It's not that hard, Chich. Pick your battles. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 11:51:50 AM | message detail |
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"The difference between the two situations is painfully obvious" Really? It has held up on every occssion. Never, NEVER, has the full strength of one contestant carried over to another. Not a single one. Why is it you expect them to magically do so now? The voters have shown time and time again that they are concious of the contest and they have voted more according to actual likes and dislikes rather than any sentiment of brand loyalty. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 11:53:50 AM | message detail |
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Really? It has held up on every occssion. Never, NEVER, has the full
strength of one contestant carried over to another. Not a single one.
Why is it you expect them to magically do so now? The voters have shown
time and time again that they are concious of the contest and they have
voted more according to actual likes and dislikes rather than any
sentiment of brand loyalty. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629 ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 11:54:18 AM | message detail |
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You had it right the first time, there are Yoshi games on the NES. He may have been late in the cycle, but he was there. No. I had it right the second time. Yoshi's first appearance was in SMW. The NES continued to churn games after the SNES was released, but Yoshi debuted on the SNES. His fanbase really begins there. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:55:06 AM | message detail |
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That is not what I was saying at all. I'm not arguing on behalf of the
unity, but it's a lot easier to see why people would treat all the Mega
Mans the same as opposed to why people would treat every FF as FFVII.
Just singling out one title made it a poor analogy. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 11:56:43 AM | message detail |
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Same as me, leon. I'm not saying anything about the strength of the two
mega Man entries except that they will virtually be equally strong
since people don't make the distinction between X and non-X. This uniting thingy is something you brought to the table. I never mentioned anything like that, Chich. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 11:56:57 AM | message detail |
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"And I never would've guessed that pod racing game would've been one of
the top 10 most popular N64 games. That means 3 of the top 10 sellers
are non-tradtional racers." It was a pack-in title for awhile. I'm sure that had something to do with it. I also knew people who bought it just because it had the Star Wars name, so I highly doubt the game deserves any recognition. "You don't even need to know there are two MegaMan entries in the contest." But people will. They aren't as clueless about the contest as you think, and they aren't so easily swayed to vote for something just because it carries the name they are familiar with. Yes, it will happen, no it won't be the majority. MM will still have his strength divided, there will still be people that don't vote for it because they do know what it's there to represent. There has never been a case before that went againt that logic, and it makes no sense for there to be one now. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tinister | Posted 6/10/2006 11:57:08 AM | message detail |
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I forget, on the nominations page, did Ceej label it as Mega Man Classic (or some variation) or just Mega Man? --- I was once a treehouse, I lived in a cake, but I never saw the way the orange slayed the rake. Creator, owner, and operator of MPE |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 11:57:13 AM | message detail |
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I don't think you can compare a game contest to a series
contest. it's not that people are stupid, it's that they consider the
Mega Man name to be all one series - classic, X, BN, whatever. when
you've got Final Fantasy vs. SMB3 and a picture of a FF Fighter (or
whatever it was, I don't feel like looking), it's easy to
differentiate. with Mega Man, it's not as clear. I'm still very curious
to see what kind of pictures he uses, particularly for Mega Man. --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 11:58:03 AM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629 Because FFTA really was more popular than Fire Emblem as a game. That was painfully obvious right there as well. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 11:58:30 AM | message detail |
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A lot of people liked Tactics Advance. I liked it, I voted for it, what
are you trying to prove? Oh, what's that... nothing? Exactly. FFTA
wasn't even close to the strength of FFT, let alone any other FF, which
means it clearly wasn't leeching 100% from FFT. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 6/10/2006 11:59:30 AM | message detail |
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It's just that Mega Man and Mega Man X are more similar than any other
two characters/games we've ever seen. I do think one of them will be a
little stronger than the other (although I honestly don't know which)
but not enough to make a difference. It's just for some reason, I can't see either Mega Man series as actually being that strong, not having gotten any games in the game contest. Also, Mario Kart has gotten a lot more publicity and sales recently. I'm fairly comfortable with picking Mario Kart here... although I think either both MMX and MM could beat Mario Kart or neither of them could. --- Need new sig. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:00:25 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1629 That poll right there and people still saying it would beat SH makes me so damn confused. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 12:00:32 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is not nearly as hated as this board
makes it out to be. I'm sure it got some Final Fantasy loyalty votes
for people who'd never played either one, but still. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 6/10/2006 12:00:51 PM | message detail |
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I'm just saying that personally, for prediction's sake, I'm going to
treat both Mega Man series as having the same strength. It's too tricky
to tell what distinction there will be. --- Need new sig. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:01:29 PM | message detail |
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I don't think you can compare a game contest to a series contest.
it's not that people are stupid, it's that they consider the Mega Man
name to be all one series - classic, X, BN, whatever. Doesn't this seem a bit contradictory? People aren't stupid, so, as mnm has been arguing for a few days, they'll remember that Mega Man X was in a match 12 days prior. They'll understand that Mega Man X has its own entry in the bracket, but they'll somehow STILL think that this Mega Man includes every other Mega Man series? I'm not buying that at all. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:01:59 PM | message detail |
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"it's that they consider the Mega Man name to be all one series" After all the complaints I've heard about ceej using classic MM for all his match pictures, I don't think so. People get up in arms that he never shows MM as X but also doesn't consider X a legal entry. People are aware of the difference and they care. On this board of all places I expect that to be know... I guess I expect a lot more out of you guys. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 12:02:23 PM | message detail |
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I'm sure it got some Final Fantasy loyalty votes for people who'd never played either one, but still. I don't think anybody would argue that everyone will vote that way.. just that some people will. seeing as it's a hotly debated match, that some may end up being the difference. --- xyzzy |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:03:04 PM | message detail |
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I think few particularly cared about either of them and the Final Fantasy name carried the victory. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:03:16 PM | message detail |
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I don't think you can compare a game contest to a series contest.
it's not that people are stupid, it's that they consider the Mega Man
name to be all one series - classic, X, BN, whatever. when you've got
Final Fantasy vs. SMB3 and a picture of a FF Fighter (or whatever it
was, I don't feel like looking), it's easy to differentiate. with Mega
Man, it's not as clear. I'm still very curious to see what kind of
pictures he uses, particularly for Mega Man. But really. What is really popular in the Mega Man franchise besides the X and classic series? Mega Man Zero, EXE, and Legends have some fans, but it doesn't begin to rival the fans that Mario Kart has. Really, it comes down to X and Classic. And when X already is represented in the series, I can't see how the other isn't going to at least suffer slightly from it. Does anybody have that poll of favorite Mega Man series handy? I forgot which poll number it was... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:04:25 PM | message detail |
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"I think few particularly cared about either of them and the Final Fantasy name carried the victory. " Good thing thoughts like that get you on the wrong track since Mario Kart isn't a friggen jobber. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:04:31 PM | message detail |
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That poll right there and people still saying it would beat SH makes me so damn confused. Fire Emblem has become more popular since then ya know... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:04:31 PM | message detail |
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Hey! Mega Man Legends has a lotta fans....like me >_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:05:02 PM | message detail |
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Fire Emblem has become more popular since then ya know... So what would you wager it would get on FFTA now then? --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:05:09 PM | message detail |
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I'm a Mega Man Legends fan too. But not more than Mario Kart... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 12:05:58 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, FFTA overperforming on FE isn't out of the question. They're
exclusively GBA titles, and then there's the possibility of FFX/FFTA
SFF. So FE has room to look better than it did, and it was only four
months old at the time. It's had room to grow. But really, it's more that I expect nothing out of Silent Hill than I'm banking on Fire Emblem being strong. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 12:06:44 PM | message detail |
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found it: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834 --- xyzzy |
| Tinister | Posted 6/10/2006 12:06:54 PM | message detail |
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Does anybody have that poll of favorite Mega Man series handy? I forgot which poll number it was... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834 --- I was once a treehouse, I lived in a cake, but I never saw the way the orange slayed the rake. Creator, owner, and operator of MPE |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:07:04 PM | message detail |
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Good thing thoughts like that get you on the wrong track since Mario Kart isn't a friggen jobber. I've read it two times now, and I still can't find any logic in this. I'd also like to lend your crystal ball. Chich, with these awesome talent for knowing things no-one can know yet, it surprises me you haven't won a contest. Or finished high. At least I got in the top ten once. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 12:08:38 PM | message detail |
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That poll right there and people still saying it would beat SH makes me so damn confused. Honestly I doubt any Silent Hill title would do that much better. I have Silent Hill, but I'm not confident in it because I think they'll both be painfully weak. they'll remember that Mega Man X was in a match 12 days prior You're assuming that every voter actively keeps up with the contest. Only about 1/3rd of the voters even predict, and alotta those are likely alts. I'd say a good portion of the voters will not have even seen the Mega Man X match to remember it. And even if they did see it, many won't pause to think, "well, this doesn't include Mega Man X games, I'd better not vote for it". They're just gonna vote Mega Man with the quickness and forget about it. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:09:20 PM | message detail |
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But really, it's more that I expect nothing out of Silent Hill than I'm banking on Fire Emblem being strong. I just wish there was someway to be a little more certain of this type of thoughts. Look at Ridley/Diablo....people expected the Metroid name to carry Ridley's ass there... --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 12:10:36 PM | message detail |
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Doesn't this seem a bit contradictory? People aren't stupid, so, as
mnm has been arguing for a few days, they'll remember that Mega Man X
was in a match 12 days prior. They'll understand that Mega Man X has
its own entry in the bracket, but they'll somehow STILL think that this
Mega Man includes every other Mega Man series? I'm not buying that at
all. again, this isn't every person. personally, I would vote for Mega Man X over a lot of things just because I liked the classic series (never played the X games). add in that the voter pool isn't always the same / not everyone pays attention to the contest as close as we do.. I think it's stupid to say that the ambiguity would do nothing. it might not do much, but it's better than nothing. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 12:10:40 PM | message detail |
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I'm not expecting either name to carry the series to victory. They will both be weak. I just think Silent Hill will be weaker. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:11:54 PM | message detail |
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You're assuming that every voter actively keeps up with the contest.
Only about 1/3rd of the voters even predict, and alotta those are
likely alts. I'd say a good portion of the voters will not have even
seen the Mega Man X match to remember it. And even if they did see it,
many won't pause to think, "well, this doesn't include Mega Man X
games, I'd better not vote for it". They're just gonna vote Mega Man
with the quickness and forget about it. I'm assuming that while the voter pool does vary on a day-to-day basis, it stays largely the same. Also, nobody has to follow a contest to remember that another Mega Man series was in a match 12 days prior. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:12:03 PM | message detail |
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I sure hope so...for the sake of me winning one of these....>_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:13:53 PM | message detail |
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Or finished high. At least I got in the top ten once. Shake, I know you aren't trying to challenge the credibility of people in this topic. The final score in a contest means nothing as matches hold different weight. Match for match holds far more weight to me than how many possible points you get. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:13:58 PM | message detail |
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People have often banked on the casuals having knowledge of the contest
-- and it's never worked. 'X game is out, so now Y is the only
representation for Nintendo! It will get a boost!' which it doesn't.
Virtually every game is pretty much consistent. Voters don't revenge
vote, or vote for a company that made their favorite game now it's been
defeated, or vote based on anomalies(suspected as cheating) in the
patterns. This site gets a lot of traffic, and some of those bother to vote. They're not as hung up on it as we are. Anyway, Argentina vs Ivory Coast. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 12:16:20 PM | message detail |
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Shake, I know you aren't trying to challenge the credibility of people in this topic. Not the credibility of people, but simply what Chich is claiming. We don't know anything about Mario Kart yet, and unless he's got a sneak-preview, he doesn't either. Although that entire Mario Kart comment didn't even belong there. I was talking about Fire Emblem against FFTA. O_o ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:16:22 PM | message detail |
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To elaborate, if two people go into a contest and get every match right
except for the final, where one gets it and one doesn't, and the final
went 50.1-49.9, does that make the person who chose wrong much less
credible even though his score is nowhere near the other persons? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 12:17:55 PM | message detail |
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Not the credibility of people, but simply what Chich is claiming. We
don't know anything about Mario Kart yet, and unless he's got a
sneak-preview, he doesn't either. But Chichiri is just simply echoing what I along with many others feel about the match as well. Just because we haven't seen Mario Kart directly in a match doesn't mean we can't have a feel on how it will perform... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:18:23 PM | message detail |
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Also, I know it's more fun to argue about Mega Man, but I'm pretty sure
we all have an idea of how strong his series is going to be. This whole
ambiguity thing won't end up making THAT big a difference, and we all
know it. This is all about trying to see where Mario Kart belongs on
the Nintendo ladder. Right now, I'm thinking that at worst, it gets SFF'D by Metroid. At best, it shanks Metroid and is largely competitive with series we may as well be calling Nintendo at this point (Mega Man and Sonic). --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 12:19:07 PM | message detail |
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nobody has to follow a contest ... If you didn't come on the day of the Mega Man X match, then how are you supposed to know if you aren't following the contest? There's a pretty large amount of the voters that don't come here every day, or even most days. I'm sure there's a poll regarding this somewhere, but I don't want to find it. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:19:16 PM | message detail |
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Ya know... this whole MM/X thing reminds me of soething the stats topic
went over once before long ago... I think it went something like this: The Wedgie r goign to crush SMAUS! He r teh greeeeen Mah-riooooo, he r teh smashinatorz!!! Yeah, that's about what I remember from the last time we had an argument about something having reason to get full carryover in strength from another contestant. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:21:39 PM | message detail |
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"But Chichiri is just simply echoing what I along with many others feel
about the match as well. Just because we haven't seen Mario Kart
directly in a match doesn't mean we can't have a feel on how it will
perform..." Don't worry, mnm, it's been Shake's personal crusade for sometime now to discredit me at every chance available. "There's a pretty large amount of the voters that don't come here every day, or even most days." Contest time, by design, is different. There is something going on that gets people to keep comming back. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:22:09 PM | message detail |
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We're moving pretty fast, so someone should go ahead and make the next topic. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |