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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 289
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| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 10:03:30 AM | message detail |
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I honestly think a large issue of how people view "Mega Man" depends
upon the info Ceej provides in the match pics. "Mega Man" is the name
every single sub-series spinoff starts with: X, Zero, Legends, Battle
Network, etc. Compare this with, say, "Super Mario Bros.," which is
clear with regards to what it represents; if it were labeled "Mario,"
we might have a similar problem, as people would presumably assume that
it would include spinoffs like Kart, Party, etc. I've said before that MMZ fans will most likely support Mega Man X as Zero will probably be somewhere in those pics. Mega Man Legends really isn't that popular from a GameFAQs perspective compared to Mario Kart. As far as the Battle Network Series, Mario Kart Super Circuit and Mario Kart DS are much more popular than them as far as handhelds are concerned. And Mario Kart as a series is definitely as popular as Classic Mega Man already. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 10:05:14 AM | message detail |
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...Well, I'm not one of those people who feels MMX > MK > MM,
so that obviously doesn't apply to what I was saying...heh
heh....Right... If Mario Kart manages to beat Mega Man, I think it would have an easier time with Mega Man X. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 10:05:53 AM | message detail |
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...Well, I'm not one of those people who feels MMX > MK > MM,
so that obviously doesn't apply to what I was saying...heh
heh....Right... Well you specifically asked about people who would not treat them equally.... There ya go. v_v *teleports a rock over Leonhart* --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 10:05:55 AM | message detail |
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I was talking about personal preference there actually, but I think MMX takes out Classic. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 10:07:40 AM | message detail |
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I agree. MK >= MM > MMX. --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 10:08:49 AM | message detail |
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I've said before that MMZ fans will most likely support Mega Man X
as Zero will probably be somewhere in those pics. Mega Man Legends
really isn't that popular from a GameFAQs perspective compared to Mario
Kart. As far as the Battle Network Series, Mario Kart Super Circuit and
Mario Kart DS are much more popular than them as far as handhelds are
concerned. And Mario Kart as a series is definitely as popular as
Classic Mega Man already. Hrm... I definitely see your point, but I think the potential lack of clear labeling may Mega Man more support. I still think fans of the X series people are going to look at just "Mega Man" and vote for it - if at all - under the assumption that it includes all of Mega Man's series, despite the fact that MMX already had a match. Bear in mind I still don't think it will be enough to beat Mario Kart, honestly; I'm just thinking ahead to how some matches may very well likely be decided by the picture and information presented. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 10:09:19 AM | message detail |
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I agree that it would take out classic, but that doesn't necessarily
mean it would perform better against Kart. Unlike the debate we
currently have going with original Mega Man, there will be absolutely
no confusion in this case. It's Mega Man X and only Mega Man X. It's
ONE of Mega Man's series (the strongest one, yes, but still only one)
vs. Mario Kart. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 10:09:53 AM | message detail |
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| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 10:11:45 AM | message detail |
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I could easily see MMX being the Samus to MM's Mario: stronger indirectly, but trumped in a direct battle. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 10:12:43 AM | message detail |
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But Mega Man X already beat it in a direct battle............. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 10:15:26 AM | message detail |
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I'd actually argue just the opposite, Ed. I think X would be the Mario to Classic's Samus. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 10:19:38 AM | message detail |
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yeah, Mega Man is drawing from potentially every series he has. Mega Man X is clearly defined and cannot be confused. --- xyzzy |
| Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 10:24:01 AM | message detail |
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I'd actually argue just the opposite, Ed. I think X would be the Mario to Classic's Samus. Yeah, that's exactly the way I see it. People will adjust their voting for Mega Man based on Mega Man X games, no doubt in my mind. But would the reverse happen? Not as likely (though still possible, I'd think). But because Mega Man X is seemingly the more popular series, it'd probably take the SFF. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 10:25:23 AM | message detail |
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....I think there's more possibility of overlap in Mega Man/Mario Kart
since Classic was almost entirely Nintendo, while Mega Man X has had
several Playstation titles. So theoretically, it could outperform
Classic in a direct match. ...What? --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 10:29:34 AM | message detail |
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..but Mario Kart doesn't even exist on the NES, and that's where Mega
Man's main games are. besides, why is Mega Man so "SFF-able"? he did
kinda destroy Yoshi, after all. it's only Mario and Link that would
have the power to hit Mega Man like that. Mario Kart isn't either of
those; not even close. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 10:32:11 AM | message detail |
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...What do you mean "Mario Kart isn't Mario?" Silly tranny. Besides,
Mega Man DID have a game on the Super Nintendo. Either way, the Classic
series was almost exclusively Nintendo, whether they were on the same
console or not. I don't think that really matters. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 10:35:16 AM | message detail |
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meh, no one plays Mario Kart because Mario's in it. they play because
it's a fun racing series. ('cept for Ulti) Mega Man and Mario are
platforming action games. Mario Kart and Mega Man are nothing alike. --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 10:36:03 AM | message detail |
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..but Mario Kart doesn't even exist on the NES, and that's where
Mega Man's main games are. besides, why is Mega Man so "SFF-able"? he
did kinda destroy Yoshi, after all. it's only Mario and Link that would
have the power to hit Mega Man like that. Mario Kart isn't either of
those; not even close. Yoshi didn't come around until the NES... yet Mega Man as a character was able to SFF him. That means that there is a shared fanbase as Mario Kart wasn't that far after the presence of Yoshi. The NES fanbase went on to become the SNES fanbase, and Mario Kart went on to establish its presence among them. It's not guaranteed that shared fanbase prefers Mega Man as a gaming series to Mario Kart... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 10:37:18 AM | message detail |
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Yoshi didn't come around until after the NES that is... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 10:37:35 AM | message detail |
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Mario Kart and Mega Man are nothing alike. Not much similarity between Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy VII either, other than being Playstation. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 10:40:05 AM | message detail |
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yeah, but we're talking a different generation here. sure there's some
overlap, but next you'll tell me that Mario would SFF Leon because he's
on a Nintendo system despite their games being completely different. I
don't know how you'd determine that one would SFF the other at all. --- xyzzy |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/10/2006 10:40:39 AM | message detail |
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I'm actually feeling a bit more confident in Mario Kart.. except... 1) Since Mega Man SFF'd Yoshi, there is a chance the original Mega Man series could SFF Mario Kart, though, if it's vice-versa, good for me. 2) Mega Man may actually get his power from his original series. 3) Some, not all, but some may actually mistake Mega Man for everything Mega Man period. --- "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games" - Hiroshi Yamauchi |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 10:40:59 AM | message detail |
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And given how the Mario Kart has sold just about as much as the main
Mario series since its creation, it pretty much is an indication that
Mario and Mario Kart fanbases overlap. And if Mario and Mega Man have
an overlap, why wouldn't Mega Man and Mario Kart? Not saying that there
will be SFF... but it's not like the Mega Man fanbase can't
prefer Mario Kart to the classic Mega Man series. After all, nowadays a
gamer is more likely to have played a Mario Kart game than a Mega Man
game... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 10:43:39 AM | message detail |
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but next you'll tell me that Mario would SFF Leon because he's on a
Nintendo system despite their games being completely different I'm not talking characters at all, and Resident Evil is almost entirely Playstation anyway, other than RE4 and a few other minor titles. Besides, we're talking an entire series against an entire series. There's bound to be some overlap anyway because what are the odds that somebody has played Mario Kart and not a single Mega Man game (or vice-versa)? The GameFAQs demographic isn't as young as we like to think sometimes. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| TheSonyCorp | Posted 6/10/2006 10:46:59 AM | message detail |
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*Doesn't read topic* Pokemon will pull a crazy rSFF on Metroid and... Mario Kart will beat Mega Man, and it won't even be close. So, other than those, I think the rest of the contest is fairly easy to predict, right? --- SephirothG Risen from Purgatory |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:15:18 AM | message detail |
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From all the evidence we've seen, Pokemon wouldn't be able to SFF anything. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 11:22:23 AM | message detail |
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I don't see this rather crazy idea of Mario Kart SFFing Mega Man. I
don't see how that makes any sense at all. The bulk of the classic
series appeared on a system before Mario Kart even existed; they're not
even on the same platform. but it's not like the Mega Man fanbase can't prefer Mario Kart to the classic Mega Man series. I always figured that while people like Mario Kart, it was never something that was a huge favorite with people. There are a lot of people who like it, but the exact same applies to Mega Man, and Mega Man tends to get plenty of people who would hold those games as their favorite. I wouldn't say Mario Kart has that same type of thing going for it. If we're going to talk SFF at all in this match, it isn't going to be favoring Mario Kart. I don't even think there is going to be any SFF. I think it's getting a bit crazy that we're tossing it around for what seems like every match where even the slightest overlap might happen. Pokemon will pull a crazy rSFF on Metroid and... Pokemon won't even get out of round 1!! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 11:25:27 AM | message detail |
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The bulk of the classic series appeared on a system before Mario Kart even existed; they're not even on the same platform. And it's not like people stopped playing games after the NES. Most likely they went on to play the NES where Super Mario Kart went on to sell more games than all the Mega Man games combined. Even if the Mega Man fanbase sticks devoutly to it, it's not like Super Mario Kart doesn't have a fanbase of its own... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:26:12 AM | message detail |
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It seems quite a few people hold Mario Kart DS as a favorite, and I'd
argue that the console Mario Kart games are even more popular. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:26:53 AM | message detail |
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Mario Kart is one of my favorites, for sure. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 11:27:47 AM | message detail |
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Mario Kart Super Circuit sold around 5 million on the GBA, and Mario Kart DS is one of the most popular games on the DS. I've seen you bring this up a couple of times, but is there any reason to really bother with including worldwide sales? The sales that are most important are those from America, and Europe to a much lesser extent. Super Circuit is 2.4 million in America, which is really the number that should be brought up over the worldwide figure. You might be just trying to prove that the series is popular, though I don't know why anyone would dispute that. Still, everything outside of America really doesn't matter. That's where the vast majority of the votes come from. All that said, Mario Kart 64 was the one to break 5 million in America alone. << --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 6/10/2006 11:28:25 AM | message detail |
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Metroid/Kirby. I hate this feeling of suspicion about a match that should be incredibly simple. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:30:01 AM | message detail |
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It is incredibly simple. Honestly, does Kirby have a big title to his name? I don't even think SuperStar did that well. Which leads me to the question...Why IS Kirby so strong in these contests anyway? Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorites. He just seems like an unlikely high-mid tier. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:33:37 AM | message detail |
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Here are the US Mario Kart sales I have. Maybe you can check them against your numbers for accuracy, HM: Mario Kart 64: 4.8 million Mario Kart: DD!!: 2.2 million (3+ million counting bundled sales) Mario Kart: Super Circuit: 2.1 million Mario Kart DS: 900,000+ (1.1 million counting bundled sales) Super Mario Kart: Not sure, but I know it's over a million --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 11:34:20 AM | message detail |
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I've seen you bring this up a couple of times, but is there any
reason to really bother with including worldwide sales? The sales that
are most important are those from America, and Europe to a much lesser
extent. Super Circuit is 2.4 million in America, which is really the
number that should be brought up over the worldwide figure. You might
be just trying to prove that the series is popular, though I don't know
why anyone would dispute that. Still, everything outside of America
really doesn't matter. That's where the vast majority of the votes come
from. True. But when you start to bring in the American sales of the Mega Man EXE games among others, the ratio gets even worse... 2.4 million in America and 1.7 in Europe are still nice numbers for a GBA game. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 11:36:53 AM | message detail |
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I've got 3.52 million for SMK in America, 1.35 for others (not counting Japan; another 3.8 million there) --- xyzzy |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 11:38:04 AM | message detail |
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huh... 007 only sold .13 million in Japan, compared to almost 6 million here? crazy. --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:38:52 AM | message detail |
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I guess James Bond isn't very big over there. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:42:02 AM | message detail |
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Considering the Nintendo fanbase is so rabid for first party titles and
not much else, I find it almost shocking that Goldeneye was the most
popular N64 game in the US (you can argue it was more popular than
Mario 64). --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 11:42:07 AM | message detail |
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"Well....that question kind of doesn't matter. The voters won't see or
care for the difference. It's Mega Man. The inclusion or absence of the
X barely enters the equasion." No one stepped up to refute this? Okay, Shake, so why doesn't this work for Final Fantasy? Why is it that FF1 is so far below all the others instead of being voted for like it was FF7. I mean, hell, there's only the tiny little difference of a single number, just like the letter X and MM, so why don't people vote for it like it's FF7? --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 11:42:25 AM | message detail |
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SO HOW BOUT THAT FIRE EMBLEM/SILENT HILL LOLO! --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Tai | Posted 6/10/2006 11:43:57 AM | message detail |
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During the Christmas vacation, all I played was MK:DS, looking for FCs
on GameFAQs so I could play with people straight from here, and I even
joined a clan. I also bought Mario Kart 64 and DD. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:44:46 AM | message detail |
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Shake argued that the Final Fantasy fanbases are more prone to conflict
and preference, while the Mega Man fanbase is more united. At least
that's what I think he argued. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Lopen | Posted 6/10/2006 11:45:15 AM | message detail |
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No one stepped up to refute this? Okay, Shake, so why doesn't this
work for Final Fantasy? Why is it that FF1 is so far below all the
others instead of being voted for like it was FF7. I mean, hell,
there's only the tiny little difference of a single number, just like
the letter X and MM, so why don't people vote for it like it's FF7? You're grasping at straws with these poor analogies lately, Chichiri. Really. I'm getting bored of seeing them. The difference between the two situations is painfully obvious. I hate to say stuff like that, but come on. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 11:46:20 AM | message detail |
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Even divided, most Final Fantasy fanbases after 5 = big enough to handle a lotta things. --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 11:46:47 AM | message detail |
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You're grasping at straws with these poor analogies lately,
Chichiri. Really. I'm getting bored of seeing them. The difference
between the two situations is painfully obvious. I hate to say stuff
like that, but come on. Please explain it to my stupid ass, because I'm not so content with the "Mega Man fanbase is united" argument, considering we've NEVER seen that before. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 11:47:00 AM | message detail |
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heh, as far as sales go in the US.. 1. SM64 2. 007 3. MK64 4. OOT 5. DK64 6. Pokemon Stadium 7. SSB 8. Diddy Kong Racing 9. Starfox 64 10. Star Wars Episode 1 --- xyzzy |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 11:48:26 AM | message detail |
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"Yoshi didn't come around until after the NES that is..." You had it right the first time, there are Yoshi games on the NES. He may have been late in the cycle, but he was there. "I guess James Bond isn't very big over there." FPSs aren't big over there. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:48:36 AM | message detail |
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because I'm not so content with the "Mega Man fanbase is united" argument, considering we've NEVER seen that before. Well, I think it's painfully obvious why people would be more prone to treat every series as just Mega Man moreso than why people would treat every Final Fantasy as if it were FFVII. I get the idea he was trying to get across. It was just a bad analogy. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 11:49:17 AM | message detail |
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Star Wars Episode I? What, the pod racing game? Or something else? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |