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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 289
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| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 11:41:05 PM | message detail |
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I think I'd take Mega Man to beat Sonic. not by much though. --- xyzzy |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/9/2006 11:41:52 PM | message detail |
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He's refering to Sonic vs Mega Man 2k5. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/9/2006 11:59:42 PM | message detail |
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Oh, I thought he was talking MK/MM still. Doesn't matter, though, as
I'm willing to bet Sonic has a reversal ready if the two should ever
meet series wise. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 12:02:39 AM | message detail |
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Somehow I doubt that. I think people are vastly underestimating how big
an effect the combined strength of MM and MMX (which is essentially
what "Mega Man" will mean to voters) is. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/10/2006 12:04:56 AM | message detail |
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Sure, but what about the divided strength of either of those series?
Obviously if we split them the two halves would add up to more than the
whole of MM due to leeching, but if Sonic = his games then the Sonic
series can beat either MMX or MMC easily. --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 12:06:00 AM | message detail |
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As far as game popularity goes, Sonic has had the clear edge since
1999. I think Mega Man had the edge throughout the NES (obviously) and
SNES era, but Sonic's had the past seven years handily. That cannot be
ignored. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:09:52 AM | message detail |
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So why would SSB lose to Sonic again? --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/10/2006 12:12:08 AM | message detail |
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From longbladeofhiko Posted 6/10/2006 3:09:52 AM #257 So why would SSB lose to Sonic again? Because it's only a side series. Duh. Sonic = his games then the Sonic series can beat either MMX or MMC easily. This is very true, but I doubt anyone is going to look at "Mega Man" and go "whoamg this doesn't include X i can't vote lol" I'll admit here and now that I'm picking MM out of fanboyism for the M and X series, and out of hating Mario Kart. Damn overrated bile. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/10/2006 12:17:55 AM | message detail |
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A side series that gives Nintendo characters some rather bigass boosts right....>_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/10/2006 3:54:49 AM | message detail |
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So "SF 2 LOST?" won't happen in this contest, right? --- Pit is playable in SSBB, so he gets the attention in my sig. |
| jonthomson | Posted 6/10/2006 5:34:47 AM | message detail |
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Sonic 2's 70/30 humiliation was far, FAR from your average loss. I still maintain Sonic 2 suffered some SFF there. Two very similar games from more or less the same time. I reckon it could avoid a doubling against CT quite easily. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 7:18:39 AM | message detail |
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Because it's only a side series. Duh. Uhh... I'd consider Smash a bit more than "only a side series." I think it's by far the third most powerful Nintendo franchise (over Zelda and Mario); I'd take it to beat Metroid and anything else Nintendo-related. I'm lumping Mega Man in that category as well; I think Link vs. Mega Man and Mega Man vs. Yoshi proved that for some strange reason Mega Man is part of the Nintendo family on GameFAQs. As I see the Sonic series at its trongest being relatively equal in strength, the choice makes sense to me. Were this, say, a few years ago, I might have my doubts, and would probably pick Sonic. But as it stands right now I think Smash has it pretty convincingly. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 7:52:52 AM | message detail |
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This is very true, but I doubt anyone is going to look at "Mega Man" and go "whoamg this doesn't include X i can't vote lol" Again, after they already saw Mega Man X in the contest as a separate series, there's no guarantees that fanbase will go and vote for the classic series over Mario Kart as well. And it's not like Mario Kart doesn't have a fanbase of it's own. People keep looking at Mega Man's strength as a character as the basis, and that's really not fair because there is no character to represent "Mario Kart" as a series. For all we know, it would be stronger than Mega Man as a character. We have no idea how to measure games vs. characters. If people really are trying to buy FFVII vs. Link as a legit comparison, then that is just sad. Games overall are much more popular than characters. When people see Mega Man vs. Mario Kart, they are not going to think about whether they like Mega Man more than every Mario character. They are going to think about whether they like classic Mega Man games over Mario Kart. You can't bring the character into it, otherwise you have to bring in all of the Nintendo characters on the Mario Kart side, and it starts not making sense. People aren't going to be looking at it from a character standpoint. And there has been absolutely nothing besides Mega Man as a character to show that the Mega Man series is more popular on GameFAQs than Mario Kart. People talk about Mega Man being strong because people will consider it as a series. What about people considering Mario Kart as a series? We already see that Super Smash Bros. will probably have some strength, and it has just two games in the series. Sure it has the number 6 game on this site. But we have no idea where Mario Kart Double Dash stands in comparison since it wasn't on the list. Mario Kart 64 was more popular on the N64 than Super Smash Bros. And then you have the handheld fanbase to consider. Mario Kart Super Circuit sold around 5 million on the GBA, and Mario Kart DS is one of the most popular games on the DS. Surely it's not like Mario Kart doesn't have the popularity to keep up with the Mega Man series on its own right. And then when you have the potential to have the Mega Man fanbase separated due to the presence of Mega Man X, I don't see how Mario Kart doesn't have a great chance to win this match, especially when it's games are just as popular, if not more, than Mega Man's. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 7:57:10 AM | message detail |
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I still maintain Sonic 2 suffered some SFF there. Two very similar
games from more or less the same time. I reckon it could avoid a
doubling against CT quite easily. I think it was because SMW is a consensus more popular game than Sonic 2. SMW only got 40% on CT. I doubt Sonic could have put up similar numbers. I would at least expect a doubling. Sure the hardcore Sonic fanbase will probably always vote for a Sonic game, but I think that Sonic 2's performance against SMW after Shadow's great performance against Mario in the previous contest was pretty much an indication that people really were voting based on the games, instead of their favorite characters. The voters aren't dumb... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2006 8:00:58 AM | message detail |
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If Mega Man is simply labeled as "Mega Man" in the match, it has a
50/50 shot of winning. However, with MMX already in the contest, that could
take MM down a lil'...but I don't see MANY MMX fans not voting for
"Mega Man" when they already voted MMX (except that Mario Kart is no
Suikoden, but work with me here). Now, if MM is labeled "Mega Man
(original)" or "Mega Man Classic" or "Hey, these were the really old
ones!", it has no shot against Mario Kart. That's a lil' risk one would have to take to take Mega Man in that match, that it might get labeled like that and the MMX fans who follow the contest may not follow MM just the same, despite a more series-wide name. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 8:04:10 AM | message detail |
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but I don't see MANY MMX fans not voting for "Mega Man" when they
already voted MMX (except that Mario Kart is no Suikoden, but work with
me here). You underestimate Mario Kart's popularity. I've said before, you can't assume that Mega Man X fans will vote for anything "Mega Man" in this contest when their series has already been represented. The Mario Kart series is popular in its own right. You can't tell me that there aren't people that have MMX > MK > MM in their rankings because I would like to take the time to wave at the topic and say "Hay guys!" --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 8:07:36 AM | message detail |
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Also, since the Mega Man classic series is listed separately from the X
series, I would assume the picture would convey this by focusing
primarily on the classic characters/games and not on the X stuff,
making it even more apparent that they're not voting for the X series. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| voltch | Posted 6/10/2006 8:07:39 AM | message detail |
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so what's xpected to be pure fodder? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 8:08:11 AM | message detail |
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I doubt Sonic could have put up similar numbers. I would at least expect a doubling. I think Sonic 2 could barely manage to escape a doubling against Chrono Trigger. I thought about the match earlier and I wouldn't be shocked to see it get 35% or so against CT. In order to escape that doubling, it needs to up there with KotOR, Metroid, and Final Fantasy Tactics, which I think is exactly where Sonic 2 would fit. Regardless, some SFF certainly had to have taken place because there is simply no way that CT gets 75%+ on Sonic 2, which just puts it under games that would not beat it at all. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/10/2006 8:16:41 AM | message detail |
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I'm not a fan of that equation because, while MMX > MM (classic), I
think simply "Mega Man" outdoes them both. The picture may give some of
that away though, granted..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 8:18:30 AM | message detail |
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The picture may give some of that away though, granted..... Exactly, and I think that'll make the MK/MM match a lot easier, because it will (hopefully) be apparent that it's only representing the classic series and not every Mega Man series ever, including X. However, Ceej might just do, like, generic logos for round one, which I think is extremely likely. If that's the case, that philosophy might not hold true any longer. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 8:21:38 AM | message detail |
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...but I still think it shouldn't much of an issue, even without the
pic clarity, btw. As mnm said, the voters aren't stupid. So long as
things are clearly labeled so people know they're voting for a
"series," I doubt there will be much confusion. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 8:22:33 AM | message detail |
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I can't imagine the picture being much more than an altered box art art
or, as you just mentioned, a logo of the series for round 1. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 8:24:09 AM | message detail |
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I'm not a fan of that equation because, while MMX > MM (classic),
I think simply "Mega Man" outdoes them both. The picture may give some
of that away though, granted..... AGAIN.... If voters have already seen Mega Man X represented as a series, why would they think that Mega Man encompasses everything? Especially when it will most likely be a pic of only classic Mega Man as I've shown in my Match Pic topic... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tai | Posted 6/10/2006 8:29:01 AM | message detail |
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I'm not sure what people's problems are with MM/MK in terms of the
possiblity of an upset, but I think people are willing to knock MK like
Ulti just did then argue if MM is actually strong enough. Don't blame
me if you have a big red on your bracket that you thought was a done
deal.... --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 8:30:57 AM | message detail |
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NOOooOoOoOooooooooo! Tai arguing on my behalf??? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 8:32:41 AM | message detail |
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I said it once, I'll say it again: you're picking Mega Man. you're arguing for Mega Man. you have no choice in this matter. --- xyzzy |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 8:44:18 AM | message detail |
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I still maintain Sonic 2 suffered some SFF there. Two very similar
games from more or less the same time. I reckon it could avoid a
doubling against CT quite easily. That was my point. It's logical to think that Sonic 2 did get SFF'D. If you don't buy that theory, then it enters as the underdog against Mortal Kombat, of all games. As it stands, one of Sonic's most popular games (I'd put it right alongside S3&K, but that's irrelevent for now), got destroyed and SFF'D by a Nintendo game. Now, I'm not saying that any Mario Kart can possibly stand toe-to-toe with Super Mario World. It can't. However, consider these points: 1. Mega Man was actually on Nintendo systems when he was at his highest level of popularity. This, in my mind, makes him even more prone to SFF than Sonic, at least potentially. 2. From what we've seen, this site is more supportive of Nintendo than it was during the Spring 2004 Contest. True, Kingdom Hearts II may have changed some of that, but I'm not about to throw the last two years of evidence out the window. 3. The 2005 GotY poll proved Mario Kart has some strength. True, 2005 may have been a blah year for gaming, but that doesn't suddenly disqualify MKDS's second place. The game has a fanbase that cares for it. To this day, I can't believe it beat God of War, especially when the third voting option was primarily a Gamecube game. Now, considering that all three console Mario Kart games may be more powerful than MKDS, and you have the potential for a very popular series. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 8:49:15 AM | message detail |
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Remember that the N64 has basically no Mega Man presence (lol Mega Man 64), so people who started gaming with the N64 have basically no reason
to vote for Mega Man as a series, as he hasn't done much for them as
far as gaming is concerned, at least not when compared to the Mario
Kart series... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 8:51:23 AM | message detail |
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Remember that the N64 has basically no Mega Man presence (lol Mega
Man 64), so people who started gaming with the N64 have basically no
reason to vote for Mega Man as a series, as he hasn't done much for
them as far as gaming is concerned, at least not when compared to the
Mario Kart series... That's another edge I give to MK: consistency. Since 1992, a multi-million selling Mario Kart game has accompanied every single Nintendo home console and handheld. Very few series can make that same claim. Heck, Mario and Zelda are the only other Nintendo series that can make that claim. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/10/2006 8:52:22 AM | message detail |
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This is kind of off on a tangent, but am I the only one who thinks
Sonic Adventure 2 could possibly be Sonic's most popular game? I do think that Sonic 2 got SFF'd though. --- "What's wrong with boot blacking? I like it very much." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 8:56:13 AM | message detail |
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Sonic Adventure 2 is awesome yo! And seeing Shadow's popularity and how
he automatically started rivaling Knux in popularity, it's safe to say
that SA2 has a decent following on this site. I've been playing Sonic
games since the beginning and it's my favorite game in the series by far. Insane amounts of replay value. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 9:05:06 AM | message detail |
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*looks at BOP numbers* The Mega Man/Mario Kart numbers are starting to change a bit. That match was something like 33-4 Mega yesterday, and it's now 46-14. Looks like our arguments are making some people think twice, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING MYSELF LOL. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 6/10/2006 9:05:59 AM | message detail |
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Well, they're making me think twice at least. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 9:06:14 AM | message detail |
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I do think Sonic Adventure 2 could be Sonic's most popular game. That game is very
popular -- not to mention exceptionally good. Shadow pretty much got
all of his strength from that game alone, which may speak for something
for it. It helps that it was one of the few third party games to easily
hit a million copies, too, I think. I think S3&K is probably right up there with it, too. At the least, I would imagine it is as popular as Sonic 2, which is certainly stronger than the extrapolated stats would show. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/10/2006 9:19:31 AM | message detail |
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Out of curiosity, does anyone remember if Super Mario Kart on the drop
down list back during that mini-contest thing? I noticed it was the
only Mario Kart game to make the list, so I was wondering. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 9:38:22 AM | message detail |
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*high fives yo* when we crash and burn horribly, you can blame us! --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/10/2006 9:42:48 AM | message detail |
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Yes, Super Mario Kart was on the drop-down list. The rest of them were
not. Halo 2 and Tales of Symphonia were the only write-ins to make the
list, if I'm not mistaken. Also, with all of this talk about how Mega Man fans will vote for Mega Man altogether no matter what...Am I the only one who can actually see that there is a clear difference between Mega Man X and Classic, and I would not vote both of them over all the same things? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 9:45:49 AM | message detail |
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Hay guys! Why do I feel like I'm being ignored? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 9:47:24 AM | message detail |
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Well....that question kind of doesn't matter. The voters won't see or
care for the difference. It's Mega Man. The inclusion or absence of the
X barely enters the equasion. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| transience | Posted 6/10/2006 9:48:06 AM | message detail |
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ha, you always feel ignored, mnm. you can be one of us loudmouths too! --- xyzzy |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 9:49:12 AM | message detail |
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*high fives yo* when we crash and burn horribly, you can blame us! Yep, that's pretty much the name of the game. Obviously, Mario Kart is the underdog, but it's the one risk I feel best about. A cookie cutter has never won a contest, so I doubt it'll start now. Heck, even if it somehow does, you'll end up with a 100-way tie for first. Remember last year? We had a 24-way tie for the lead after the contest, and that was with Diablo, Master Hand, and Kuja. Picking a calculated risk and hoping it comes through is a good strategy. Am I the only one who can actually see that there is a clear difference between Mega Man X and Classic, and I would not vote both of them over all the same things? I'm in the same boat. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 9:49:57 AM | message detail |
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I really don't see why we're taking it for granted that Mega Man automatically gets the benefit of the rest of the series. Heck, when it came to the character contest when Ceej was only allowing Rock, I saw everybody arguing the opposite. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/10/2006 9:50:55 AM | message detail |
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Hay guys! Why do I feel like I'm being ignored? Say huh? I think you've been doing the best job of all the Mario Kart supporters. Well....that question kind of doesn't matter. The voters won't see or care for the difference. It's Mega Man. The inclusion or absence of the X barely enters the equasion. It's Final Fantasy. The inclusion or absence of VII barely enters the equation. *dodges bricks* --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 9:51:54 AM | message detail |
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Say huh? I think you've been doing the best job of all the Mario Kart supporters. Well that was specifically to Leonhart when he piggybacked on what I said about Mega Man. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 9:55:37 AM | message detail |
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Well, I was asking specifically about people who would not treat both of them equally, not who wouldn't know the difference. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/10/2006 9:56:01 AM | message detail |
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I honestly think a large issue of how people view "Mega Man" depends
upon the info Ceej provides in the match pics. "Mega Man" is the name
every single sub-series spinoff starts with: X, Zero, Legends, Battle
Network, etc. Compare this with, say, "Super Mario Bros.," which is
clear with regards to what it represents; if it were labeled "Mario,"
we might have a similar problem, as people would presumably assume that
it would include spinoffs like Kart, Party, etc. If Ceej actually manages to make clear in the match pic that it's only the Classic series and nothing else, then I think Kart will take it. If it's just a generic logo, I don't care if X came first in the bracket, I think people will still think it's inclusive to every MM spinoff series. ...I still think Mario Kart will win regardless, but if the latter occurs, it'll definitely be a lot closer. At any rate, so much of this depends upon carefully chosen match pics and how the series is represented. If Ceej does go to "generic logo" route for Round 1, I think it could prove problematic for some series, like, say, The Elder Scrolls. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/10/2006 9:58:11 AM | message detail |
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Well, I was asking specifically about people who would not treat both of them equally, not who wouldn't know the difference. therealmnm Posted 6/10/2006 11:04:10 AM message detail but I don't see MANY MMX fans not voting for "Mega Man" when they already voted MMX (except that Mario Kart is no Suikoden, but work with me here). You underestimate Mario Kart's popularity. I've said before, you can't assume that Mega Man X fans will vote for anything "Mega Man" in this contest when their series has already been represented. The Mario Kart series is popular in its own right. You can't tell me that there aren't people that have MMX > MK > MM in their rankings because I would like to take the time to wave at the topic and say "Hay guys!" <_< --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Uwe Boll | Posted 6/10/2006 9:59:30 AM | message detail |
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It's Final Fantasy. The inclusion or absence of VII barely enters the equation. Exact same. All Final Fantasy supporters group together, as all Mega Man supporters grup together. ~Shake --- Hahaha, well, I'm like, in love with undreground hip hop right now.There's this group, Da Backwudz, they sampled the Oompa Loompa song. ~LexisTheGenius. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 6/10/2006 10:00:13 AM | message detail |
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...Well, I'm not one of those people who feels MMX > MK > MM, so
that obviously doesn't apply to what I was saying...heh heh....Right... --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |