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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 289
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| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 6/9/2006 9:38:39 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm... could Soul Calibur stand a chance against Metal Gear? I think it's possible. --- "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." ~ Benjamin Franklin |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/9/2006 9:39:45 PM | message detail |
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Soul Calibur won't get blown out, but don't hold your breath expecting a victory. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:40:03 PM | message detail |
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I'm not seeing it. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:41:10 PM | message detail |
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Hell, could it even beat Skies of Arcadia? Would anyone here really consider taking Skies of Arcadia over, say, Star Ocean 3? I mean, I'm not sure what argument you could use for SoA that would put it in an advantageous position. The only advantage it has is having appeared in the contest before, if you're willing to call that an advantage. It's a Square Enix RPG against a Sega RPG that doesn't really have that much strength to begin with. All signs point to SO3, and easily at that. I'm wondering... if Star Ocean is so popular here, how come we haven't seen any rep for it yet? Suikoden has gotten something in a few times, Skies of Arcadia and Xenogears/saga as well. All without structured rally efforts. I think I could take care of this one without sounding like I'm dismissing anything. Heh. Basically, Star Ocean has had one opportunity to really enter into the contest and that was Summer Contest 2005. The game that most people reference, Star Ocean 3, came out in August 2004, which was after the Games Contest was well over and the Character Contest was underway. If you look at Star Ocean 2 and trying to use it as a means to getting into the contest, it is worth noting that CJayC's flaw nomination system allowed for Final Fantasy VIII to miss out on the games contest. So if something as popular as that can miss out, then it's understandable as to why Star Ocean 2 wouldn't make it, especially considering the 32/64 Division was pretty stacked already. So yeah, there has been only one instance where we could have seen Star Ocean really make an appearance in these contests. The most popular game in the series came out before it had the chance to enter into the games contest. Still, would you take Skies of Arcadia (Vyse), Suikoden (Luca Blight), or Xenogears (Fei, Citan)/Xenosaga (KOS-MOS) over Star Ocean 3 (Fayt)? With the exception of Xenogears, and KOS-MOS, I don't think there is an argument out there that really supports any of those games. They are the definition of "cult" that Star Ocean is unjustly given. But yeah. Point here? Either Star Ocean is being overblown, or Fayt just isn't liked very much. (I could see that... he's kinda bland) I'll humor Star Ocean > Pokemon, but Fayt > KOS-MOS? No chance. I really don't think you really made any point like that. I could understand the reluctantcy to take Fayt over KOS-MOS, especially since I don't even imagine there being a clear winner. But no chance? I'll argue against that one all day long, sir!! As long as something freaky doesn't happen in Star Ocean and Pokemon where Star Ocean just gets slaughtered, Fayt is going to have to get in. I think a Star Ocean win might be enough for some people to consider nominating him just to see anyway! << This board will always believe in Blizzard because StarCraft burned them back in 2004, and they believe the vote rallying makes a significant difference. StarCraft was plenty strong without it. Warcraft...won't be. I agree completely. Ever since StarCraft's run in 2004, people have just been so scared against going against anything Blizzard. I also agree that people are overrating the significance of rallying. It was certainly there, and always helps, but it wouldn't have much affect when it's going up against something as strong as GTA, which is being underestimated by a ton on the board. Say what you will about Pyramid Head, but could you really see *insert Fire Emblem villain here* doing much better? An interesting point. I can't say I could see any Fire Emblem villain really doing much better than Pyramid Head; however, I could see someone like Lyn or Hector beating the main protagonist of any given Silent Hill game. Cyko, I believe, brought up that Fire Emblem had only been out for a short time when it went up against FFTA, which could have ran into some issues, plus Fire Emblem has had some extra games since then. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:52:19 PM | message detail |
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:53:24 PM | message detail |
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Hmmm... could Soul Calibur stand a chance against Metal Gear? I never really gave it a second thought, myself. Soul Calibur had a pretty impressive performance against Kingdom Hearts, but it was not enough for me to ever consider it in a match against the Metal Gear franchise. It might not get completely blown away, but it won't be a close match either. What are the latest sales figures for the SC games? Sure. Of course, all are American only sales. I suppose I could cover Metal Gear Solid, too, if only for comparison. Soul Calibur II (GCN) -- 864,207 Soul Calibur II (PS2) -- 827,195 Soul Calibur II (Xbox) -- 592,525 Total: 2.2 million Soul Calibur III (PS2) -- 446,649 Metal Gear Solid (PS1) -- 2.81 million Metal Gear Solid : The Twin Snakes (GCN) -- 255, 837 Total: 3.06 million Metal Gear Solid 2 : Sons of Liberty (PS2) -- 2,013,024 Metal Gear Solid 2 : Substance (PS2) -- 107,453 Total: 2.1 million Metal Gear Solid 3 : Snake Eater (PS2) -- 1,099,657 Metal Gear Solid 3 : Subsistence (PS2) -- 125,084 Total: 1.2 million There ya go! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tai | Posted 6/9/2006 9:55:53 PM | message detail |
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I think the biggest problem there is that this isn't a games
contest, it's a series contest. While any of Megaman's games might be
as weak as Sonic's, we still don't know what it means for either of
them as a series. It's a good starting point, but, it's difficult to
dismiss everything Megaman against Mario Kart. Megaman the character we
at least know is strong, Mario Kart we don't. The best we have is super
mario kart at 61, which is all right, but still uninspiring. And MegaMan is no where to be found on the top 100. How do diehard MM fans wanna compensate for that? --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 9:58:42 PM | message detail |
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And MegaMan is no where to be found on the top 100. How do diehard MM fans wanna compensate for that? As a die-hard Mega Man fan, instead of respectably refuting your argument, I'll instead talk **** about your mother. Seriously, there's no Mega Man games in the drop-down list -- seeing how only two write-ins made it into the Top 100 List, it's rather unreasonable to expect any Mega Man games on there. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:59:19 PM | message detail |
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And MegaMan is no where to be found on the top 100. How do diehard MM fans wanna compensate for that? Mega Man was not on the drop down list. If you weren't on that drop down list, you basically didn't make it. Halo 2 wasn't on their either and it just barely made it. There is also that matter on people being undecided on which is their favorite and such, which just furthers the already significant problem with that list. The good thing about something like this is that the entire series is represented in one vote, so there isn't any worry about splitting the strength of the series or anything like that. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| WarThaNemesis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:05:16 PM | message detail |
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Warcraft WILL beat Mario. Book it! --- War13104 ExthaNemesis: *has j00r babies* |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:06:13 PM | message detail |
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If Sonic's strongest game can get so thoroughly destroyed by a Nintendo game, why is Mega Man suddenly granted immunity? Who is to say that is Sonic's strongest game? I wouldn't doubt there is a more popular game out there for Sonic -- Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure 2 to throw out two potential games. I know I like both of those more than Sonic 2, and I wouldn't doubt there are plenty of people who think so as well. I also don't think that Sonic 2's placement is the real strength behind Sonic 2. With all this idea of different things SFFing each other, I don't think it would be too hard to imagine Mario World SFFing Sonic 2. Those two do tend to share more of a fanbase now than they ever did back in the day. I think Mario might do something similar, though certainly not to such a degree, if he were to face Sonic in the character contest. That might be different since we'd be dealing with the characters and Sonic is definitely far different from Mario. Finally, I don't know why anyone would think something like Mario Kart would have the power to do what Mario World did to Sonic 2. That's like what transience was saying earlier about Mario Kart definitely not having the ability to SFF a series like the main Mario series would. Just because it has a Mario name doesn't mean it gets that power. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tai | Posted 6/9/2006 10:07:26 PM | message detail |
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Mario Kart SFF who, again? --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation! Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/9/2006 10:08:28 PM | message detail |
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If you look at Star Ocean 2 and trying to use it as a means to
getting into the contest, it is worth noting that CJayC's flaw
nomination system allowed for Final Fantasy VIII to miss out on the
games contest. So if something as popular as that can miss out, then
it's understandable as to why Star Ocean 2 wouldn't make it, especially
considering the 32/64 Division was pretty stacked already. FFVIII didn't get in because CJayC limited one per series per generation rule. And yet Suikoden II and Xenogears managed to get in the "stacked" 32/64 on the PSX, and SoA got in on the admittedly much less stacked DC. I just don't see how you can argue against Star Ocean being a cult game. It's not even a fan favorite cult game, like Skies or Suiko 2 or XG or ToS. Yeah, Star Ocean 3 has decent sales. So what? We've seen plenty of instances in which sales doesn't matter in the slightest (Pokemon is a decent enough example of this.) So what does Star Ocean have going for it? And if Fayt didn't get in last year, the year of the cult RPG characters, he's never getting in. Not to mention that nobody cares about Fayt. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 10:10:13 PM | message detail |
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I'd vote for Fayt just because his name is Fayt, but then again, everyone hates me. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:10:54 PM | message detail |
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I like you! I certainly dont... hayt you! rofl --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 10:12:33 PM | message detail |
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>XD --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:13:18 PM | message detail |
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On another note, this isn't added yet to the "Ongoing Contests" section in the "Contests" part of the site. Is that usual? --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| greatone10 | Posted 6/9/2006 10:14:51 PM | message detail |
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No Star Ocean 3 character made it in because they are all equally
crappy, thus no one from its fanbase could get behind a single
character, like they could with ToS and SoA. Seriously, I don't care about the difference in strength between Xenogears and Star Ocean. They are just going to play the same role of not Pokemon, with their small fanbase making up for whatever votes they need to get the win. --- RIP Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005 "I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!" - Manfred von Karma |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:16:51 PM | message detail |
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FFVIII didn't get in because CJayC limited one per series per
generation rule. And yet Suikoden II and Xenogears managed to get in
the "stacked" 32/64 on the PSX, and SoA got in on the admittedly much
less stacked DC. I would have taken Star Ocean 2 over Suikoden II as well, but certainly not Xenogears. That would have been I just don't see how you can argue against Star Ocean being a cult game. It's not even a fan favorite cult game, like Skies or Suiko 2 or XG or ToS. Yeah, Star Ocean 3 has decent sales. So what? We've seen plenty of instances in which sales doesn't matter in the slightest (Pokemon is a decent enough example of this.) So what does Star Ocean have going for it? I'm not saying the sales of the game are a reason for it to have strength. I'm saying that it is absolutely wrong, no matter how you slice it, to call Star Ocean cult when sales have been that good. It's utterly ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to support that absurd notion. Give me one reason why Star Ocean 3 loses to any of those games you listed. I have not heard one thing as to why Pokemon should win as decisively as people are thinking or why it should have this massive advantage. You people need to quit with the cult crap. It's not -- the sooner you get over that the better. I don't care if you don't take it to win, but using "cult" as an argument is just stupid and ignorant. Good grief. That's one thing I cannot stand, after everything that points to Star Ocean -- GASP! -- not being cult, people insist on calling it that. If you continue to think so, then I have nothing left to say to you. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:17:49 PM | message detail |
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I like you! I certainly dont... hayt you! XD --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/9/2006 10:19:09 PM | message detail |
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So I guess FE over Silent Hill is a guarantee now huh....>_> --- The WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 10:23:50 PM | message detail |
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dammit Tai, you will pick Mega Man. I refuse to be on the same side as you. it's not good for my karma. --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:24:36 PM | message detail |
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No! You keep him on your side!! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 10:25:20 PM | message detail |
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quick, HM! come up with a Mega Man argument that spans three posts! --- xyzzy |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 10:26:11 PM | message detail |
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*gets popcorn ready* --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:27:25 PM | message detail |
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Wouldn't that bring back some memories? I would need to
throw in some Anniversary Collection, too! Maybe even get wild and
start saying Final Fantasy gets challenged!! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 6/9/2006 10:29:05 PM | message detail |
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"You take the ugly one!" "No, YOU take the ugly one!" "Fine, I'll take the ugly one." "...Which one's the ugly one?" --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Yesmar | Posted 6/9/2006 10:30:44 PM | message detail |
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Would anyone here really consider taking Skies of Arcadia over, say, Star Ocean 3? What about that is so bizarre? I'm not sure I would take SoA to beat SO3, but you have to admit it's a match with legitimate arguments for either side, regardless of which game you back. --- "What's wrong with boot blacking? I like it very much." |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 10:31:10 PM | message detail |
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do it! remember, he doubled Tidus! and we all know what you think of Tidus right now! I mean... wow! strength galore! --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:35:41 PM | message detail |
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Tidus is going to SFF Link due to The Better Blonde Hair Factor, obviously! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:37:00 PM | message detail |
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Plus Tidus has always been blonde. Link went brunette for a time early in his career - and then even went pink! Tidus knows his roots (literally!). That's it, I'm sold. Final Fantasy > Legend of Zelda! --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 10:38:25 PM | message detail |
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Tidus knows his roots (literally!). I like you! I certainly dont... hayt you! this needs to stop. PLEASE --- xyzzy |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 10:38:58 PM | message detail |
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If I were on the fence for that match, what you just said would have
sealed the deal for me. You need to spread that around to the masses!! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:41:09 PM | message detail |
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this needs to stop. PLEASE Aren't you glad I started posting here? ;-) --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 10:41:36 PM | message detail |
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you know it!!!!! --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 10:52:10 PM | message detail |
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I got away from the computer for a few minutes, and what happens? Ed happens. How corny was he guys, really...heh, but funny. As for MM/MK...let's just say I don't want Tai even making a bracket with the way I feel right now. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 10:54:20 PM | message detail |
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I got away from the computer for a few minutes, and what happens? Ed happens. I've needed a quote for awhile. Congratulations, Harrich! --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 10:59:01 PM | message detail |
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Suh-weet. I should mention that the quote could get 45% on FE or SH. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 11:00:29 PM | message detail |
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XD Not like that's hard! Even Star Ocean could pull that off! >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 11:22:19 PM | message detail |
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Even Madd -- oh, wait, it can't. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 11:22:23 PM | message detail |
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I seriously don't get all the talk of Mario Kart > Mega Man. I see
no one asking where Sonic is going to draw his strength from, so why
are people asking the same about Mega Man? Personally, I'm not
confident at all in picking SSB to beat Sonic. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 6/9/2006 11:24:10 PM | message detail |
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I think most people around here are just taking it for granted that
Super Smash Brothers is going to win that match, so that's why you
don't hear that sort of questioning. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 11:24:48 PM | message detail |
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yep. I'd question Mario Kart over Sonic as well. --- xyzzy |
| transience | Posted 6/9/2006 11:25:41 PM | message detail |
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actually, I've been thinking all day on who I'd take - Sonic or Mega Man - and I have no idea. --- xyzzy |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 11:25:55 PM | message detail |
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I'm not confident in taking Sonic over Devil May Cry, let alone Smash. I can see the series tanking. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 11:29:37 PM | message detail |
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I'd pick Mega Man fairly easily. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 11:34:16 PM | message detail |
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I'd take the Sonic series over the Mega Man series, myself...but, to
each their own, it's not like there'd be a large gap anyway. Despite
this, I feel fine thinking Mario Kart couldn't handle Sonic. Not
entirely sure why, since I think MM/MK will be killer. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 11:37:07 PM | message detail |
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I'd pick Mega Man fairly easily. May I ask why? The only piece of evidence we have suggests it would be very close. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 11:37:33 PM | message detail |
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Fairly close or not, we've already seen that match. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), NSMB, WC3: Frozen Throne |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/9/2006 11:39:46 PM | message detail |
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"Fairly close or not, we've already seen that match." When? --- Take a hike, and don't forget the trail mix *****. Hijack - MC Chris Detective in Sir Chris' Police |