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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 1:36:35 PM | message detail
Yes, it would beat Skies of Arcadia. Now THERE is a cult game.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 1:39:55 PM | message detail
...I'm not even going to argue about this anymore. It's just draining and annoying.

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Lopen | Posted 6/9/2006 1:41:11 PM | message detail
I'm wondering... if Star Ocean is so popular here, how come we haven't seen any rep for it yet? Suikoden has gotten something in a few times, Skies of Arcadia and Xenogears/saga as well. All without structured rally efforts.

Point here? Either Star Ocean is being overblown, or Fayt just isn't liked very much. (I could see that... he's kinda bland) I'll humor Star Ocean > Pokemon, but Fayt > KOS-MOS? No chance.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 1:45:53 PM | message detail
I have no idea why people keep resorting to this, "Well, if it's popular enough to beat Pokemon, then why haven't we ever seen it in a contest?" Honestly, that is a weak argument (if you can even consider it that).

Star Ocean's most popular entry was the 3rd one, and it was released in late 2004, meaning it has really had only one opportunity to get somebody into the contest.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 6/9/2006 1:47:47 PM | message detail
I don't think Star Ocean has much of a hardcore fanbase. It's not cult, but few people would have any of the games on theur top 10 list. Take a look at the reviews SO3 got on GameFAQs:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/536705.html

There are quite a few of them and there are a lot of 9/10s but very few 10/10s.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 1:47:56 PM | message detail
Most of Star Ocean's popularity comes from SO3, or so I'm willing to bet. And fayt just sucks as a character. This is one of many cases where I expect the game/series to be muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch stronger than the character.

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Radix | Posted 6/9/2006 1:51:56 PM | message detail
All the SO rallies around here fall apart because there's at least 5 different characters people want in and noone can agree on which one :/
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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 1:51:57 PM | message detail
I know a lot of people that think SO3 is the best game ever. I also know a lot of people that thought it was mediocre.

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swirIdude | Posted 6/9/2006 1:54:47 PM | message detail
Only HM can take something no one thought would happen and start insane debates that cause people to actually think twice.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 1:56:41 PM | message detail
Only HM can take something no one thought would happen and start insane debates that cause people to actually think twice.

I believe I was the first one to say SO > Pokemon, that damn HM is just riding on my coattails.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 1:57:39 PM | message detail
I filled out my bracket before ever looking at this board, and I struggled on that match as well.
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Lopen | Posted 6/9/2006 1:58:01 PM | message detail
"Well, if it's popular enough to beat Pokemon, then why haven't we ever seen it in a contest?"

I was more using this to downplay Fayt than Star Ocean vs Pokemon, for the record.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 1:59:14 PM | message detail
So did I leon.

The only pick I think I'm going to switch from my initial thoughts to now is SSB > Sonic. Not really sure though, but it's making me nervous having Sonic winning.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:01:19 PM | message detail
I listened to the board twice last year after I filled out my bracket for the Character Contest. I got both of them wrong. I'm stickin' to my guns this time, no matter what.
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swirIdude | Posted 6/9/2006 2:01:50 PM | message detail
Considering SSB has much of Nintendo behind it and Sonic...doesn't, I can't see how SSB CAN'T be considered the favorite.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:02:36 PM | message detail
Because I'm looking at it as every sonic game ever vs. SSBM.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:02:39 PM | message detail
Personally, I think much of the reason Sonic had an increase in strength last year was due to the success his ports to the GameCube have had, but that's just me.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 2:04:02 PM | message detail
Vincent : Kerrigan :: Grand Theft Auto : Warcraft

If Warcraft even breaks 40%, I'll be stunned. The only people defending it on the boards are MMO fans. Sadly, we have a lot here.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 2:04:44 PM | message detail
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:06:55 PM | message detail
I'm an MMO fan and I know GTA is going to beat the bloody hell out of Warcraft.

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Phil Collins | Posted 6/9/2006 2:08:05 PM | message detail
Put me on there!

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:08:25 PM | message detail
This board will always believe in Blizzard because StarCraft burned them back in 2004, and they believe the vote rallying makes a significant difference. StarCraft was plenty strong without it. Warcraft...won't be.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:09:02 PM | message detail
well, looking at the BOP right now, most debated matches:


GTA > Warcraft, 24-13
Halo > Castlevania, 28-9
FE > SH, 30-7
Pokemon > SO, 33-4
KH > Halo > Castlevania, 29-6-2

wow.

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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:09:30 PM | message detail
the biggest wow, though, is Mega Man > Mario Kart, 33-4. wow.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 2:10:07 PM | message detail
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#072 This board will always believe in Blizzard because StarCraft burned them back in 2004, and they believe the vote rallying makes a significant difference. StarCraft was plenty strong without it. Warcraft...won't be.


Diablo also burned them. Of course, people conveniently forget that Diablo 2 is played more on Bnet than Starcraft is.

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Big Bob | Posted 6/9/2006 2:10:26 PM | message detail
It's just that EVERYBODY plays World of Warcraft. In my town, I know more people who play WoW than some of the big series in this contest. People who I never thought of as gamers played WoW. I can't see it getting blown out.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:10:33 PM | message detail
I think this board gets less intelligent every contest.

Seriously... warcraft?

Warcraft has never been popular on this site aside from WoW, and there's enough anti-votes there to fill up a landfill bigger than ET's.

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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:11:17 PM | message detail
Diablo also burned them. Of course, people conveniently forget that Diablo 2 is played more on Bnet than Starcraft is.

*cough*Ulti*cough*

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 2:11:27 PM | message detail
WoW has never been popular on this site period. It gets anti-voted to holy hell.

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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:12:12 PM | message detail
Just because it will get anti-votes doesn't mean it's not popular. I'm not disagreeing with you on the result, but WoW is still popular here.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2006 2:13:34 PM | message detail
*cough*Ulti*cough*

I had Diablo in the Final Four originally, then overestimated the hell out of Street Fighter. I never questioned how strong Diablo would be.

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swirIdude | Posted 6/9/2006 2:13:38 PM | message detail
WoW is popular here?
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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:13:40 PM | message detail
yeah, WOW gets brutally antivoted here. the only argument I can see for Warcraft is that the rallying will be ten times bigger than Starcraft's was, or that WC3 gets way more love than I know.

GTA/WOW is one of those matches that I'm going to get sick of hearing about and can't wait to get it over with. Pokemon/SO is already there. :)

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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:14:33 PM | message detail
Oh... alright. For some reason I thought you were calling for Ridley > D too. Diablo's run in the villains contest was one of my favorite moments.

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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:15:03 PM | message detail
and the difference between those two matches and Diablo is that Diablo ended up costing what, 15 points? this is a one point match no matter how you look at it.
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Lopen | Posted 6/9/2006 2:16:28 PM | message detail
Because I'm looking at it as every sonic game ever vs. SSBM.

See, this is why we have difference of opinion here. I basically think these matches are going to boil down to "favorite from series A" vs "favorite from series B". Favorites seem to be what stay in your mind the best. Not to say that it isn't an advantage to have more games, because one guy might like Sonic 2 more than Melee, and another guy might like Sonic Adventure more than Melee, and both guys would vote for Sonic. But if it were Melee vs either game Melee wouldn't get the vote.

Part of the reason I think Devil May Cry has a chance. Sonic 2 is probably the overall favorite of the Sonic series, (or Sonic 3 & Knuckles... whatever) and its showings have been... underwhelming for the most part. Devil May Cry hasn't been in a game contest yet, but if a recent series like that can put Dante up to a well... at least somewhat close level to an icon with 4324 games like Sonic, I have reason to believe that Devil May Cry fans might be more loyal to the series. Plus Devil May Cry was only 2 spots lower than Sonic's rep in the list thing.

Um... yeah. I started with Melee vs Sonic and sorta changed tracks there... I'm sorry. I don't want to be a one trick pony!
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:16:34 PM | message detail
1 point could be all the difference in a 32 entry bracket... especially when it seems there are very little upsets possible.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:17:53 PM | message detail
the biggest wow, though, is Mega Man > Mario Kart, 33-4. wow.

Well, I think a lot of people believe the match will be close, but they're a little wary of taking a side series to beat the main series of a Noble Niner. Mega Man is the safe pick.
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ApplesauceSign | Posted 6/9/2006 2:18:23 PM | message detail
I don't think DMC > Sonic is an absolutely crazy pick by any means, and I can see why you're doing it, I personally don't see it happening, but I wouldn't be completely shocked if when I looked at the poll DMC was winning. Surprised for sure, but not blindsided.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:18:31 PM | message detail
there are a number of places where people could slip up. MK/MM is more debatable than GTA/WOW, that's for sure. KH/Halo (or 'vania) will also be interesting as well. and I'm having difficulties figuring out which sucks less, FE or SH.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:21:51 PM | message detail
I really don't see where the debate is in Fire Emblem/Silent Hill. I guess it's because both series are expected to be weak.

And I know that characters =/= games and all that, but the only time we ever got to see anything from Silent Hill in action was in the Villains Contest. Pyramid Head was 4th from the bottom, barely above Luca Blight (and we KNOW Suikoden is bad fodder).
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Lopen | Posted 6/9/2006 2:22:51 PM | message detail
I'm surprised THE HALO only has 6 taking it over Kingdom Hearts and Castlevania. Seems like the favorite to me considering Halo almost beat Starcraft who beat Kingdom Hearts + Halo hate has decreased + Halo 2 should more than cancel Kingdom Hearts 2.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:23:42 PM | message detail
Halo, much like Grand Theft Auto, will always be underestimated by Board 8 because of the hate. It has a realistic chance of winning that four-pack (though I'm taking Kingdom Hearts myself).
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therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 2:23:50 PM | message detail
Being a side series doesn't matter when it comes to games, if it is a popular side series. Like I said before, SSB is a side series and look how popular it is on this site. The whole side series thing is becoming another "Vincent is an optional character" phenomenon.
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Lopen | Posted 6/9/2006 2:24:10 PM | message detail
Say what you will about Pyramid Head, but could you really see *insert Fire Emblem villain here* doing much better?
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trannyscience | Posted 6/9/2006 2:25:02 PM | message detail
I agree with Lopen. FE characters (those not in SSBM) aren't going to do much better. I'd struggle choosing between SH and Suikoden as well.

I'll probably go with FE since it's Nintendo.. but I get the feeling that people voting are going to go "uhh, what?"
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Master Moltar | Posted 6/9/2006 2:25:36 PM | message detail
KH/Halo was one of those matches that made me stop and think. In the end, I went with KH2 not only because it's more recent, but because I think it's brought in more fans to the KH series than Halo 2 did to the Halo series (at least here on GameFAQs)
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SquallidSnake | Posted 6/9/2006 2:26:13 PM | message detail
Being a side series doesn't matter when it comes to games, if it is a popular side series.

I know that, but it doesn't stop people from thinking that way. Plus, the fact that it's against Mega Man Classic has people questioning it.

And yeah, a Fire Emblem villain probably wouldn't do much better than Pyramid Head, but it's not a particularly high mark. I wouldn't rule it out.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 6/9/2006 2:26:35 PM | message detail
"and the difference between those two matches and Diablo is that Diablo ended up costing what, 15 points? this is a one point match no matter how you look at it."

This contest is so easy a 1 point match should be looked at as carefully as Diablo's 15.
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therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 2:26:43 PM | message detail
Halo 2 definitely would not cancel out Kingdom Hearts 2 on this site. Especially with KH2 being released not more than a few months ago, vs. Halo 2 being out for almost 2 years. It's not like Kingdom Hearts didn't get its share of dislike back then as well...
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