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HaRRicH | Posted 6/8/2006 8:44:26 PM | message detail
Heh, I'm glad I put beside my nomination for SSB "Please check out the Rad Action Pack board before you make the bracket" (paraphrased).
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2006 8:44:51 PM | message detail
#38: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - GEN
#39: World of Warcraft - PC
#40: Devil May Cry - PS2


Look at that. I swear you guys are totally underselling DMC's chances, here. Sonic The Hedgehog 2 was the only one that got on the list, and it barely outdoes Devil May Cry. Sonic is very popular here, but for some reason, his games don't seem to have as much kick. Sonic 2 didn't turn any heads in the game contest, whereas Devil May Cry is untested.

Yeah, Sonic > Dante by a decent amount, and "he's an icon", but that's no reason to count DMC out here.

Sonic the Hedgehog vs DMC will be closer than the winner vs Smash Bros. Smoke that in the bank while reading a book!
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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 8:45:39 PM | message detail
here's something somewhat interesting. here's all of the games that made the Top 100 list and are represented in this contest:


FF - #1: Final Fantasy VII - PS
LoZ - #2: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - N64
LoZ - #4: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES
SMB - #5: Super Mario Bros. 3 - NES
SSB - #6: Super Smash Bros. Melee - GC
MG - #8: Metal Gear Solid - PS
Halo - #9: Halo: Combat Evolved - XBOX
FF - #10: Final Fantasy III - SNES
GTA - #11: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2
FF - #12: Final Fantasy X - PS2
SMB - #13: Super Mario 64 - N64
RE - #14: Resident Evil 4 - GC
Cas - #15: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - PS
KH - #16: Kingdom Hearts - PS2
FF - #17: Final Fantasy VIII - PS
Dia - #20: Diablo II - PC
MG - #21: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - PS2
SMB - #22: Super Mario Bros. - NES
SMB - #23: Super Mario World - SNES
Met - #24: Super Metroid - SNES
GTA - #27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2
Pok - #28: Pokemon Red - GB
Met - #29: Metroid Prime - GC
LoZ - #30: The Legend of Zelda - NES
GTA - #35: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
Son - #38: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - GEN
War - #39: World of Warcraft - PC
DMC - #40: Devil May Cry - PS2
MG - #41: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - PS2
FF - #42: Final Fantasy IX - PS
LoZ - #45: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - GC
LoZ - #46: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64
SF - #47: Street Fighter II: The World Warrior - ARC
FF - #50: Final Fantasy II - SNES
SC - #51: Soul Calibur - DC
RE - #53: Resident Evil - PS
FE - #54: Fire Emblem - GBA
Sui - #57: Suikoden II - PS
MK - #58: Mortal Kombat - ARC
Pok - #59: Pokemon Gold - GBC
War - #60: Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - PC
MK - #61: Super Mario Kart - SNES
Met - #65: Metroid - NES
Met - #74: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - GC
FF - #76: Final Fantasy - NES
DQ - #77: Dragon Warrior - NES
SMW - #82: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - SNES
Halo - #85: Halo 2 - XBOX
Mad - #91: Madden NFL 2004 - PS2


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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 8:46:09 PM | message detail
and by series -


LoZ - #2: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - N64
LoZ - #4: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES
LoZ - #30: The Legend of Zelda - NES
LoZ - #45: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - GC
LoZ - #46: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64
vs.
Civ - none

Sui - #57: Suikoden II - PS
vs.
MMX - none

Pok - #28: Pokemon Red - GB
Pok - #59: Pokemon Gold - GBC
vs.
SO - none

Met - #24: Super Metroid - SNES
Met - #29: Metroid Prime - GC
Met - #65: Metroid - NES
Met - #74: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - GC
vs.
Kir - none


MG - #8: Metal Gear Solid - PS
MG - #21: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - PS2
MG - #41: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - PS2
vs.
SC - #51: Soul Calibur - DC

SH - none
vs.
FE - #54: Fire Emblem - GBA

Cas - #15: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - PS
vs.
Halo - #9: Halo: Combat Evolved - XBOX
Halo - #85: Halo 2 - XBOX

KH - #16: Kingdom Hearts - PS2
vs.
HM - none

SMB - #5: Super Mario Bros. 3 - NES
SMB - #13: Super Mario 64 - N64
SMB - #22: Super Mario Bros. - NES
SMB - #23: Super Mario World - SNES
SMW - #82: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - SNES
vs.
Mad - #91: Madden NFL 2004 - PS2

GTA - #11: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2
GTA - #27: Grand Theft Auto III - PS2
GTA - #35: Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
vs.
War - #39: World of Warcraft - PC
War - #60: Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - PC

Son - #38: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - GEN
vs.
DMC - #40: Devil May Cry - PS2

SSB - #6: Super Smash Bros. Melee - GC
vs.
DQ - #77: Dragon Warrior - NES


FF - #1: Final Fantasy VII - PS
FF - #10: Final Fantasy III - SNES
FF - #12: Final Fantasy X - PS2
FF - #17: Final Fantasy VIII - PS
FF - #42: Final Fantasy IX - PS
FF - #50: Final Fantasy II - SNES
FF - #76: Final Fantasy - NES
vs.
Dia - #20: Diablo II - PC

Mega - none
vs.
MK - #61: Super Mario Kart - SNES

ES - none
vs.
SF - #47: Street Fighter II: The World Warrior - ARC

RE - #14: Resident Evil 4 - GC
RE - #53: Resident Evil - PS
vs.
SH - none

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Big Bob | Posted 6/8/2006 8:46:17 PM | message detail
Sonic 3 & Knuckles was snubbed in the games contest since you can only nominate one game, and...it's technically two. It'd be the crap out of Sonic 2, and wouldn't have embarassed itself against SMW.
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outback | Posted 6/8/2006 8:46:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, but there's also the definite possibility that the Sonic series will do much better together than it's individual games would.
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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 8:47:50 PM | message detail

Sonic the Hedgehog vs DMC will be closer than the winner vs Smash Bros. Smoke that in the bank while reading a book!


i completely agree. DMC has a way better chance of upsetting Sonic than either of those games beating SSB.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/8/2006 8:48:35 PM | message detail
Okay, so when will the analysis crew be submitting their first write-ups?

Oh snap! I completely forgot about that until you mentioned it.

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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/8/2006 8:54:57 PM | message detail
I'm guessing Mega Man got zero love from the drop-down list?
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/8/2006 8:55:20 PM | message detail
Nah, I don't like DMC's chances a bit. Sonic smoked Dante head-to-head, one of Sonic's top games outdid arguably DMC's top game, Sonic has far more games on far more systems and isn't restricted to just one company's system or just one generation, is both old-school and new-school, and we saw him and Knuckles boost last year (alongside Dante, yes, I know, but Sonic was in no statistically-tricky place like Dante is and Knuckles looks like he probably matches his boost). If all that simply makes Sonic somehow EVEN with DMC, then throw in that Sonic's an icon. Finished.

Oh, and the Capcom poll comes through again (I think this poll was done in late 2k3, maybe early 2k4...not sure):
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 8:55:44 PM | message detail
Mega Man had no games on the drop down list, if memory serves.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/8/2006 8:55:53 PM | message detail
Zero, yo. Zero.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/8/2006 8:56:22 PM | message detail
I'm guessing Mega Man got zero love from the drop-down list?

Correct... I think. And if you didn't get love from the drop down list you pretty much didn't make the list. =\

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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 8:58:18 PM | message detail
also - after looking at that list of games -

.... i scoff at anyone who still thinks Star Ocean has a remote chance against Pokemon. SCOFF!!

.... i really wish we would have had Metroid vs. Metal Gear or GTA vs. Metroid or GTA vs. Metal Gear...

.... i'm a bit worried about Fire Emblem's cult status. it got #54 against FFTA's 89th place despite getting doubled by FFTA in a contest setting. maybe Silent Hill does have a chance...

.... yeah, i'm losing faith in Castlevania. even with this style of ranking, the most beloved Castlevania game still couldn't take Halo alone.

.... Warcraft really doesn't have much of a chance against GTA. i'd forgotten how well each GTA game did. together, i'm certain they can handle Warcraft.

.... does anyone remember if Elder Scrolls: Morrowind was on the drop-down list? i thought it was, but i could be mistaken. if it was on the list, that's not a good sign for Elder Scrolls.

.... having had no Megaman games on the drop-down list at all doesn't help me figure anything out. bah.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 8:59:36 PM | message detail
.... does anyone remember if Elder Scrolls: Morrowind was on the drop-down list? i thought it was, but i could be mistaken. if it was on the list, that's not a good sign for Elder Scrolls.

It wasn't. I remember having to write it in to get it on my nomination list.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 8:59:37 PM | message detail
.... i really wish we would have had Metroid vs. Metal Gear or GTA vs. Metroid or GTA vs. Metal Gear...

I think this bracket gets a whole lot better if you simply swap FE/SH with GTA/WC.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 9:00:47 PM | message detail
also..

.... yeah, i'm losing faith in Castlevania. even with this style of ranking, the most beloved Castlevania game still couldn't take Halo alone.

this kind of thing is made for Halo - no anti-voting.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/8/2006 9:00:54 PM | message detail
.... i scoff at anyone who still thinks Star Ocean has a remote chance against Pokemon. SCOFF!!

You just wait until the day arrives when Star Ocean is beating down Pokemon with, like, 53%!!

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:02:12 PM | message detail
Question....how the hell do you make your entry? Cause it just gives me the Summer 05 Entry and says "lol completed", but then shows me the Series Contest bracket V_V
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2006 9:06:39 PM | message detail
Because Mario Kart is far more well-known to the average voter than Mega Man. Like it or not, Mega Man is a niche series at best nowadays.

Mega Man the character is instantly recognizable, but his games don't resonate with the casual gamer.


Eh, I don't know if a Mario side series can compete with the main series of a Noble Nine character. I wouldn't pick Mario Kart to beat Metal Gear Solid. I would pick Mega Man to beat Metal Gear Solid. That's pretty much my reasoning. I think Mega can win if he avoids the SFF.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:07:24 PM | message detail
Someone mind helping me out with these technical difficulties? >_>
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 9:08:30 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/bse_entry.php

If that link doesn't bring you directly there, then I don't know what problem you're having.
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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:08:42 PM | message detail
about a third of the way down the page, click where it says "Enter Today!"

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 6/8/2006 9:08:52 PM | message detail
You'd pick Mega Man over MGS? I can't see that happening at all.
longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:09:27 PM | message detail
Odd....that thing didn't appear for me the first couple of times. Huh, whatever. Kthx guys :D
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:10:16 PM | message detail
So uhh, whats a good tiebreaker?
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 9:10:42 PM | message detail
I can't see SFF in a side series like Mario Kart - not to mention that MK never existed on the NES, which is where I'd think the SFF comes from. there shouldn't be any SFF at all there.

no way would I take MM over MG(S) though.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2006 9:14:01 PM | message detail
no way would I take MM over MG(S) though.

That raises the question though... why not? Where does Mega Man's strength come from if not Mega Man. He easily dominates Solid Snake year after year.

Just playing devil's (they never cry lolol) advocate here, obviously games don't equal characters, based on what I've been preaching in here since the bracket came out. But then again... I'm sure most of you MGS easily > MM supporters aren't considering Sonic as a possible weak link either.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:15:47 PM | message detail
Ok folks, we need more Resident Evil/Street Fighter debating. Honestly, this is one of my most anticipated matchups. Now RE does have RE4 and a good fanbase with the first trilogy of course, but oldschool SF fans are pretty damned loyal as well. What are your calls on this one?
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Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 6/8/2006 9:16:41 PM | message detail
Mega Man's classic image is still pretty popular today, Mega Man Power Up sold around 800,000, which isn't too shabby.
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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:17:33 PM | message detail
oh, and i'm also calling right now that Kingdom Hearts over Harvest Moon will be the biggest blowout of the contest. Civilization and Madden will take massive poundings, but KH also has the added benefit of SFF on it's side. Harvest Moon would have stood up somewhat better against a game that wasn't another RPG.

BOOK IT!!

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 6/8/2006 9:18:12 PM | message detail
Umm where did you hear MMPU sold 800k? I heard it bombed in Japan and it hasn't even been on any sales charts in America.
Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 6/8/2006 9:18:41 PM | message detail
That MMX Maverick Hunter that bombed.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 9:19:17 PM | message detail
Harvest moon isn't an RPG though. At least not in the same sense as squeenix games are. Not even close.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 9:19:46 PM | message detail
I don't think MGS is miles above Mega Man or anything, just that I wouldn't take MM to win that match. I believe that all three MGS games would beat every Mega Man (and Sonic) game though. I always assumed that Mega Man got votes because people just think he's a kickass character.
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bigkevinm84 | Posted 6/8/2006 9:19:56 PM | message detail
I say Mario Kart will beat MM barely, and I hope it does too.
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trannyscience | Posted 6/8/2006 9:20:36 PM | message detail
I don't think KH could destroy anything. it gets antivoted for being "kiddie" - remember when Agent 47 was dubbed Neo-Tanner? Sora didn't even break 80%.

for a blowout, I'd look at Mario/Madden. ouch.

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therealmnm | Posted 6/8/2006 9:21:16 PM | message detail
Why do people put Mario Kart as a side series hurting it. Side series or not, it has shown to be just as popular as the Mega Man series. I don't see people writing off Super Smash Bros. as a side series. I think it's pretty irrelevant unless it was going up directly against Super Mario Bros. or something.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 9:21:23 PM | message detail
I'm sticking to MM on that match. I don't quite see MK being able to pull it off.
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Tiedus | Posted 6/8/2006 9:23:10 PM | message detail
After reading some of the arguments, I can see where people picking Mario Kart are coming from, though I don't necessarily agree. If anyone was worried about Mega Man having been forgotten or whatever, it is worth noting that it had the Mega Man Anniversary Collection released not too far back. People voted for the original Mega Man franchise as their second favorite, but it was very, very close to Mega Man X. With Mega Man as a series, you're not separating them and splitting their potential strength. I think more than any other series, Mega Man is going to be one that benefits greatly from being all put together. I think together that they will prove to be much stronger than any singular game might be.

Judging from the bracket, he also might not bother putting (original) next to the Mega Man franchise, which would mean that people would likely just vote for the entire Mega Man franchise anyway. Even if it is there, it's possible that they'll just vote for Mega Man based on any the series (Legends, EXE, Zero, etc.) just because they're not represented in the contest. It's much how people are undoubtedly going to factor in Final Fantasy Tactics when they vote for "Final Fantasy."

Mario Kart is going to be a strong series for sure, but I don't see it being able to beat Mega Man -- and I definitely don't see any of this SFF that is being tossed around by a couple of folks. Mega Man, the character, strikes me as someone who is as strong as he is based entirely on the fact that he represents all of his games. So combining all of those games here, which is what it does, I think Mega Man is going to be a real powerhouse in strength.

I still wouldn't take it over Metal Gear though, but it would definitely be a close match.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/8/2006 9:25:22 PM | message detail
With Mega Man as a series, you're not separating them and splitting their potential strength.

Bingo. I doubt people are going to see "Mega Man" and not view the entire series while voting, X included.

Besides, I really want MM to win. I despise racing games.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/8/2006 9:26:09 PM | message detail
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the reluctance to consider Mega Man as strong comes from the entire series being snubbed from both the spring 2004 contest and the best game ever bracket. However, I think (as previously mentioned) this is largely a result of being split on the fanbase of what to vote for.

...or is it?

Quite frankly - and I loathe using anecdotal evidence to form an argument, but I can't see any other sources for this one - I've heard nothing but unison on the "best" Mega Man games throughout all the series: 2 and 3. Maybe the voting demographic is so split between these two games that they were snubbed from the 8-bit bracket. There's the occasional fan who prefers 5 or 7 or 8 or even an X or a Legends game, but in general the vast majority seems to favor classics 2 and 3. (Is there a poll for this? Not sure.)

So where, then, does the split come into play? Having a lot of games does not necessarily equate with having a lot of popular games. Look at Mario - he's easily amassed more games than Mega Man and the ones that are most popular normally go to the top while the others drift away. One would think that'd happen with the Mega Man series as well.

Where am I going with all this? Well, I wonder... if the Mega Man series really doesn't have much competition among its own games for a stand-out classic (which I believe it doesn't), then why haven't its games been represented more fully? There are two possible reasons for this: either MM2 and 3 simply split the voting pool to a large degree (which would leave room for some strength in the series if you assume that Ceej's leaving all the games off the drop-down list explains the series' absence from the top 100 list), or they are simply not popular on their own to merit inclusion (which would imply that the series is weaker than most would think).

I dunno... I could see it going either way, although I think there's more convincing arguments for a hidden strength in the Mega Man series than there are for its absence. But I might be wrong.

(This is the first time I've tried to formulate an actual argument in a stats topic before. Please don't kill me too hard.)
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Slowflake | Posted 6/8/2006 9:26:41 PM | message detail
Oh, bracket. As is the tradition, although I'm not filling it this time, I'm having a go at commenting it without looking at anyone else's comments first.

Hyrule division is piss easy. Toughest match is Metroid/Kirby, and it's not even that tough. Pokémon FINALLY winning a match? SFF affair in the divvy finals between Zelda and Metroid. Dammit.

Looks like I nailed the fourth top seed correctly. Fire Emblem vs. Silent Hill reeks of stinkbomb, but FE wins nonetheless. Castlevania/Halo? Sounds cool, but Halo wins this one. Halo/KH now? The SpC2K4 match that never was? Toughest match so far, I give it to KH and the division to MG.

GTA beats Warcraft before losing to Mario, easy enough. SSB over Sonic before getting SFFed by Mario.

Diablo FF fodder? DAMN. MM/MK... holy crap. Toughest match throughout the bracket. SF/RE is nasty too, but RE will probably take that four-pack.

FF over Zelda in the finals, though I'm not overconfident about this.
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Tiedus | Posted 6/8/2006 9:27:11 PM | message detail
I don't think KH could destroy anything. it gets antivoted for being "kiddie" - remember when Agent 47 was dubbed Neo-Tanner? Sora didn't even break 80%.

I think people were already getting crazy by thinking Agent 47 would be Neo-Tanner. There was a rather large difference between the two. Though it's notable that was before Kingdom Hearts II was out, which is considerably different from Kingdom Hearts in a number of ways -- "kiddie" included.

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cyko | Posted 6/8/2006 9:27:57 PM | message detail
heh, and i'm surprised noone pulled this poll out against Silent Hill:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453

ha!! Silent Hill lost to Contra AND Yu-Gi-Oh.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 9:29:37 PM | message detail
It also lost badly to suikoden (which is significant given how badly everything suikoden has ever performed in these contests).
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Ed Bellis | Posted 6/8/2006 9:31:11 PM | message detail
On another note, I spent like thirty minutes trying to make a decent 32-entry bracket from scratch. That's tough.
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Lopen | Posted 6/8/2006 9:31:32 PM | message detail
It also lost badly to suikoden (which is significant given how badly everything suikoden has ever performed in these contests).

Not really. Those 8000 Suikoden voters vote it in everything, and no one else does.

Pretty much, anyway.
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yoblazer33 | Posted 6/8/2006 9:32:09 PM | message detail
Suikoden beat Silent Hill? Hmm... this is actually exactly what I was hoping to see...

Last year, I had Ridley in my bracket for the first few hours. I changed it to Diablo that night and then put a lock on the damned thing. This will now be my one change.

*makes change*

*throws away the key*
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dragoontheguy | Posted 6/8/2006 9:32:42 PM | message detail
Also, the silent hill movie was absolutely abysmal. I don't think it's going to help much if at all.
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