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| _Harmonica_ | Posted 6/9/2006 8:04:47 AM | message detail |
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I don't think Halo or KH really stand a chance against MGS. If MGS vs.
KH happens, I think Snake vs. Sora from 2k5 is a good indication of
what's going to happen. I know that KH2 will give the series a boost
and that main character's strength =/= series' strength, but MGS also
has Subsistence, plus hype from MGS4, Portable Ops and (to a certain
extent) SSBB. --- Harmonica doesn't change facial expressions because he never stops plotting. Plotting to kill, that is. - MYC |
| plasmabeam | Posted 6/9/2006 8:05:48 AM | message detail |
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Don't forget how KH dogged against Soul Calibur. --- Chinese Democracy - April 2006 (Let's hope) Jacksonville Jaguars (12-5) Eliminated from playoffs |
| smitelf | Posted 6/9/2006 8:06:21 AM | message detail |
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Bwahahaha...*rubs hands in anticipated victory*...you're going down, HM. Again. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 8:07:29 AM | message detail |
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Hrm... but weren't people (or maybe it was just Harrich) saying that
they could see GTA scoring close to 48% on Metal Gear? Does that mean
GTA could take on Halo and Kingdom Hearts? I would definitely question
that, myself, although replacing whatever crap KH faces with "Grand
Theft Auto" would make it an even more preposterously impossible
four-pack, IMO. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 6/9/2006 8:09:27 AM | message detail |
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I don't think it was just me, but I still stand by it too -- GTA
wouldn't get any lower than 48% against MG...yet I would still take MG,
heh. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:09:53 AM | message detail |
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The thing about Star Ocean is, at least as far as I've seen, the people that played it were pretty underwhelmed by it. What? That's the exact opposite of what I have seen and heard from people. Most people seem to really like, though it is clearly not without flaws. It received a lot of pretty high scores in reviews too. Though it depends on what game you're talking about I suppose -- the split seems to be more apt for SO2 rather than SO3. So just because FFX-2 sold a bajillion copies and has the FF name doesn't mean it would be a fantastic force in a contest, because it isn't well LIKED. Just because Star Ocean sold around a million copies doesn't mean the people who bought actually LIKED it that much. You wouldn't believe how many people actually like FFX-2, it's quite similar to the number of people who like FFTA. You would think FFTA wouldn't be worth much at all, certainly not enough to beat Fire Emblem like that and avoid being completely blown out from FFX, but it still did really well. The people who hate the game are far more vocal than the people who enjoy it. On that note, Star Ocean has the added benefit of going up against a series that people really don't care for either. It's not like it is up against a huge franchise that everybody loves. We've already seen that Pokemon only has so much strength, and it's certainly not enough to overcome pretty big games that people like. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:11:04 AM | message detail |
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Bwahahaha...*rubs hands in anticipated victory*...you're going down, HM. Again. Hah! I'll be taking my one point and your signature!! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/9/2006 8:11:06 AM | message detail |
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Soul Calibur was pretty strong in 2004. I think we just underestimated it, KH didn't do that badly. Makes me wish that it wasn't just first round fodder. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| Applekidjosh | Posted 6/9/2006 8:11:51 AM | message detail |
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Actually HM, those are both pretty good points. I'm one of those FFX-2 fans, for the record. I was talking about the lackluster things I've heard about Star Ocean: Til the end of time. Admittedly I know absolutely 0 about the Star Ocean series, so I could be completely off base here. --- www.guneva.net - Gundams? Evangelions? Macross? Former #1 detective in "Sir" Chris the traitor's police |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 8:13:35 AM | message detail |
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Makes me wish that it wasn't just first round fodder. I know! I feel like Soul Calibur is totally wasted against Metal Gear. I'd take it over both Silent Hill and Fire Emblem, for one. Soul Calibur/Street Fighter might also be an interesting match - SF would probably take it, but I wonder if SC could avoid an SFF beating. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| smitelf | Posted 6/9/2006 8:15:04 AM | message detail |
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What? That's the exact opposite of what I have seen and heard from
people. Most people seem to really like, though it is clearly not
without flaws. It received a lot of pretty high scores in reviews too.
Though it depends on what game you're talking about I suppose -- the
split seems to be more apt for SO2 rather than SO3. High review scores? SO3 only got an 81.9% average on GameRankings. That's not bad, but it's nothing to brag about, either. And SO2 only received a 78.7% average. That's pretty meh. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! |
| Slowflake | Posted 6/9/2006 8:19:18 AM | message detail |
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Seriously, how can one possibly think Pokémon has a shot at Metroid?
It's been absolutely pathetic in every match it's been in, and I don't
see it changing any time soon. --- i beaten a lot of people in school in a battle. some are noobs like you some are pretty good. i have a perfect record of not loosing. -pika4 |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 8:24:14 AM | message detail |
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Hey now, I'm not sure if Fei whatshisface or Fayt whatshisname could take on the likes of Parappa the Rapper - and survive! >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:27:27 AM | message detail |
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High review scores? SO3 only got an 81.9% average on GameRankings.
That's not bad, but it's nothing to brag about, either. And SO2 only
received a 78.7% average. That's pretty meh. Well, it's not in that exceptional "9.0" level, which seems to be reserved for only the absolute best of games, but an average of 82% is pretty damn good. In comparison, I think KH2 had something like 88%? I mean, SO3 certainly has its share of people who hate it -- the same basically applies to almost any game you can think of, some more than others obviously -- but it's generally liked quite a lot. And while the split is more apt in SO2's case, 79% is not really "meh." It's basically a percentage point away from looking better with an "80%." << --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:28:51 AM | message detail |
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Fayt would beat any Tales of Symphonia character without too much trouble. FACT!! << I remember saying that a long, long time ago when I was talking to RPGuy. Heh. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 8:36:10 AM | message detail |
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I say again that you shouldn't take Xenogears sales at face value. It
became a commodity on the used market due to a shortage of the game.
The demand was so big that Square had to re-release it as a PS1
greatest hits 3-4 years later. And then add to that, interest in the
game resurfaced with the release of the Xenosaga series. I'm sure the
game has an audience far larger than its sales numbers indicate. I
think it is safely more popular than the Star Ocean series on here. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:43:27 AM | message detail |
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And I just have not seen anything that indicates Xenogears being that
much more popular than Star Ocean, especially after SO3 released. I
really don't think Xenogears is nearly as big as you're trying to make
it out to be. Yes, it does have a distinct popularity behind it. I know well of this, but that does not mean it's more popular than Star Ocean here. We haven't even had the opportunity to see it in action for crying out loud. Everything we do
know about it does point to some strength that is in no way far behind
Xenogears, if at all. I wouldn't have any problem taking SO3 over
Xenogears or Fayt over any Xenogears character, or even Xenosaga while
we're at it. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 8:44:25 AM | message detail |
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You'd take Fayt over KOS-MOS, HM? --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 8:48:48 AM | message detail |
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But I'm giving you distinct reasons on why it is actually popular. Demand
for a re-release of a game pretty much indicates that a game is pretty
popular, especially if that demand was enough for Square to actually
re-release the game years later. Sure SO3 sold well, but nothing really
indicates that it is actually as popular as Xenogears. Sure, it is as
well known now, but I don't think it is as popular. And Citan has a pretty big following from Xenogears fans. Fayt or whatever his name is isn't guaranteed anything there! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:48:48 AM | message detail |
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I would take Fayt over KOS-MOS, yes. KOS-MOS is not really all that
strong, or at least that is the impression I've had of her more
recently. ... Hmm. In fact, she's basically tied with Kratos, and I would take Fayt over any Tales of Symphonia character. Hell, just looking at who is below that area, I don't think I'd give a second thought on taking him over all of those lower characters. Some of them, like Ness, have reasons to be quite a bit higher, but CATS? Terra? KOS-MOS? Oh yeah, though even with that confidence he wouldn't be beating them by any big margin or anything. It'd probably be within a percentage or two, in fact. >> --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 8:52:43 AM | message detail |
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You're using KOS-MOS's x-stat value? So she folded against Luigi. I still would never
take Fayt to get 37.87% on Ryu. Let's not forget what KOS-MOS has done
in this contest already. One bad match against Luigi doesn't lock in
what I think of her overall. She can certainly still take Fayt down. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:55:52 AM | message detail |
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But I'm giving you distinct reasons on why it is actually popular.
Demand for a re-release of a game pretty much indicates that a game is
pretty popular, especially if that demand was enough for Square to
actually re-release the game years later. And you're making it sound significantly more popular than it actually is. I'm well aware of its existing popularity, which is exactly what I have stated multiple times. That existing popularity was clear and present in the Games Contest when it beat Pokemon. That's the exact strength I have been thinking about with Xenogears, not anything less. I have never been trying to make Xenogears sound lesser than it is, but there's no way I can imagine anything remotely close to Xenogears being clearly above Star Ocean 3. There's just no way I'm buying that until I actually see that transpire. There are games that have not sold well and have been quite popular, I know that well enough. I'm simply saying that Star Ocean 3 being behind Xenogears by the margin you are talking just isn't going to happen. Nothing at all indicates that being the case. Sure SO3 sold well, but nothing really indicates that it is actually as popular as Xenogears. Sure, it is as well known now, but I don't think it is as popular. Aside from selling well, being really well liked, and doing well enough in what polls it was present in? Along with staying on the FAQ listing for a long time? Strong sales, very nice review scores, doing pretty well in a poll given its competition (MGS3 and GTA:SA are far above the range we're talking about right now) is more than enough for me to believe that it is popular here, certainly on par with Xenogears. There has been nothing that says to me "Xenogears is safely above Star Ocean." Demand for the game due to small shipment numbers does not mean it is more popular than SO3. Not in the slightest. And Citan has a pretty big following from Xenogears fans. Fayt or whatever his name is isn't guaranteed anything there! Fayt would kick Citan's ass. Guaranteed!! =p --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 6/9/2006 8:56:30 AM | message detail |
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SO3 definitely had its faults. The level design was pretty bad (who
remembers the haulers or the dragon flutes?), many people hated the
plot, and some of the characters just weren't likable. There's three things that make the game amazing though: The battle system, which improved in every way over the Second Story, the difficulties that you unlock (the 4D difficulty is very challenging), and the Smash Bros. style battle trophy system, which adds a ton of replay to the game. Oh, and it also has one of my favorite characters as an optional super boss, which was really cool. :) Not everyone who played it is going to like it, but I would think that people who don't view plot/characters as the highest priority will. It's honestly my favorite game on the PS2, and certainly the game on the system that I've spent the most time on. --- "I wish I was uniformly bounded; That is what I'd truly like to be. For if I was uniformly bounded; I would be less than infinity." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:00:52 AM | message detail |
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I'm not saying that Star Ocean isn't liked. I just simply don't think
it's as popular as Xenogears. You have reasons to think it is, I have
reasons to think it isn't. And I also don't think this will be the same
Pokemon that we've seen in 2k4. The hate has died down some, so I don't
think we will see the blatant anti-voting. And I think the increase in
Nintendo presence on this website also includes fans of Pokemon. I was
dead serious when I said the kids have grown up some! <.< --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/9/2006 9:01:44 AM | message detail |
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I can't imagine Fayt being that much stronger than Vyse. I'd put KOS-MOS and Kratos over him, but not Citan. Needless to say, I'm awaiting the monster that's going to be you Pokemon/SO analysis, HM. --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:02:27 AM | message detail |
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You're using KOS-MOS's x-stat value? So she folded against Luigi. I
still would never take Fayt to get 37.87% on Ryu. Let's not forget what
KOS-MOS has done in this contest already. One bad match against Luigi
doesn't lock in what I think of her overall. She can certainly still
take Fayt down. Oh, I know. I know that sounded really confident, and I would be in such a match, but KOS-MOS is certainly capable of winning. I don't think she's so far behind him that the match wouldn't be close or anything. That said, I don't think she would win, but Fayt also wouldn't be doing any winning by more than a couple of percentage points at the most. I think he's certainly got the backing and potential to rank around that 20% on BL mark. Fayt would be far more impressive and higher than people would be giving credit for, kind of like Pokemon/Star Ocean!! And I hate having next to nothing to argue with in relation to the contest. I'm glad we get to see Star Ocean perform in this contest because if Star Ocean does end up beating Pokemon (and it will!) then Fayt's definitely getting into the contest. We'll have to make sure of that ... I should make a bet with people that has that as one of the requirements or something. >> Star Ocean is almost the exact opposite of Tales of Symphonia. It's not a board creation that is being hyped up; rather, it's being disregarded and given almost no attention. I suppose that'll just make things all the more impressive!! And I can't believe I've argued this much over a one point match. Sheesh. << --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:03:21 AM | message detail |
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Hey Moltar, how do the analysis go? Do we have to send everything at
once? Or can we adjust and do our write-ups as the contest chugs along
(I think people have done that before)? Oh, and e-mail address please. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:04:14 AM | message detail |
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Those kids grew up and decided Pokemon still sucks, You Who Paints With Octopuses! << Needless to say, I'm awaiting the monster that's going to be you Pokemon/SO analysis, HM. Indeed. I started the first few matches last night and am still working on that particular analysis. It'll be awesome. =p --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:06:35 AM | message detail |
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And I can't believe I've argued this much over a one point match. Sheesh. << You forgot about the villains contest? Hell, that one point is the difference between 1st place and 3384th. And we don't have a Diablo/Ridley division shocker happening in this contest where picking the wrong character cost you the division. This point is critica!!!! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 9:06:46 AM | message detail |
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I would think that, if there was a difference of a few percentage
points between Fayt and KOS-MOS, the pic factor would probably come
into play, giving KOS a clear edge (because she's LOL BOOBS). Don't get
wrong, I think Fayt is hot, but the rest of the demographic probably doesn't agree with me. >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:10:31 AM | message detail |
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Not everyone who played it is going to like it, but I would think
that people who don't view plot/characters as the highest priority
will. It's honestly my favorite game on the PS2, and certainly the game
on the system that I've spent the most time on. That seems about right, but it did have quite a few cool characters (Fayt, Cliff, Abel, Nel) in it, as most RPGs tend to do. Admittedly, there were some real crappy ones (What's up, Maria and Peppita!), but yeah. It's got some pretty good voice actors, too. And yeah, I loved that battle system, that was just awesome. People should play it just because of it. << --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:11:54 AM | message detail |
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Once we've exasperated the first round matches, people will probably move on to things like Halo/Kingdom Hearts. --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:14:44 AM | message detail |
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Fayt has The Sword Factor, which is soo much cooler than The Jug Factor. http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/so3/art-002.jpg http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/so3/art-001.jpg http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/xenosaga-episode2/art-012.jpg http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/xenosaga-episode3/art-002.jpg Okay, so that second one is might sway a few people. >> --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:15:54 AM | message detail |
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Owned. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 6/9/2006 9:19:54 AM | message detail |
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Meh, the Sword Factor is rather potent, but if we're assuming
relatively equal strength in characters and it comes down to it, I'd
take jugs > swords. ...I can't believe I'm debating this. >_> --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:22:08 AM | message detail |
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XD I think I'd have to sit back and laugh if this topic ever seriously began to debate if a certain factor was more important than another (TSF and TJF!!). That'd be hilarious. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| Master Moltar | Posted 6/9/2006 9:24:29 AM | message detail |
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Do we have to send everything at once? No, though I would prefer if you sent them in bunches. (Like a Division at a time) Or can we adjust and do our write-ups as the contest chugs along (I think people have done that before)? Yep, you can do that. Just send me whatever you want to change and I'll change it before I post them. Oh, and e-mail address please. It's in my profile, MasterMoltar@gmail.com --- Moltar Status: Eagerly awaiting for the next Contest to begin. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:28:51 AM | message detail |
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I remember saying that a long, long time ago when I was talking to RPGuy. Heh. And then you started playing ToS, and started claiming that Lloyd would easily beat Vyse. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Starion | Posted 6/9/2006 9:32:01 AM | message detail |
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Fayt is cool? Snicker... --- Now Playing: Wind Waker (supposed to be perfect file but can't find the link cable). Next: Beyond Good and Evil |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:32:43 AM | message detail |
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I think you even argued that Lloyd would have a close match with KOS-MOS. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:34:05 AM | message detail |
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Hey! If I were to believe the stats were 100% correct, then Lloyd beats Vyse. Huzzah. (Yeah. Too bad I don't, I know.) I dunno what the deal was with Lloyd. I suppose he's in the same situation as Tidus, but comes from a significantly less popular game. It's funny how Kratos/Lloyd is pretty much the exact same situation as Auron/Tidus, except on the bottom half of the stats instead of the top half. Heh. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:34:30 AM | message detail |
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What do you guys think of me starting an Official Board 8 Match Pic
topic with people giving various ideas on how the match pics should
look? We might even beat Ceej to the punch if he lets user match pics
go early in the contest, as we would already have a topic full of match
pics. I personally don't have Photoshop on this comp, but I'd like to
start a topic if you think it would be a good idea for the board. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Who Cares? | Posted 6/9/2006 9:35:39 AM | message detail |
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That would be a pretty cool idea. --- Character Noms: Ken, Chun-Li, Kasumi, Morrigan, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:36:29 AM | message detail |
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And Cliff/Fayt would be the same way, because nobody actually likes Fayt. And Cliff kinda looks like Cloud. And I might be able to take some time away from hacking FE3 to stick up some match pics. Go for it. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/NintendoDesktop2.jpg |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:38:07 AM | message detail |
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Pfft. Of course Fayt is cool! And I think the the Board 8 Picture Topic wouldn't be a bad idea. I know there are quite a few people here who are capable of creating some really good pictures, and since we have an idea of how most matches will end up, it might be a good idea to do it. I'd go for it. --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| therealmnm | Posted 6/9/2006 9:39:39 AM | message detail |
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Okay, I'm on it. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:40:27 AM | message detail |
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Oh, please! Two extremely similar instances doesn't mean every main character gets out done by the resident badass. But, you know, Cliff could probably take out a number of people just because of that stretched similarity to Cloud, which is rather funny. >> --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |
| yoblazer33 | Posted 6/9/2006 9:40:43 AM | message detail |
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Link > Cloud lol --- Board 8: Where Wii treat each other right. |
| MarioGolfMaster | Posted 6/9/2006 9:41:07 AM | message detail |
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Mario Golf>all --- "Which is why this country is probably going to self-destruct long before it ever sees a tricentennial." -CZ, on the insistence of non-offensiveness |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 6/9/2006 9:41:08 AM | message detail |
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Fayt > KOS-MOS! --- "Princess, there's no need for worry. Who do you think I am? I'm the hero of the story. And the hero never dies." |